The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga

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Reply #900 – 2016-04-08, 01:47:51

I'm looking at a list of British MPs even know. While I do see some smaller parties (SNP, Democratic Unionist Party, ) I do see mostly Labour and Conservative. Now if you look at the US Senate by party division You'll note that it's not necessarily all Democrats and Republicans. True, they do dominate, just like Labour and Conservative in the UK. However, we have two independents even now and we've had smaller parties represented in the past. So while my knowledge of UK politics is indeed limited, so is your's of American politics.

What's your plan now? To blather on about "wider democracy" , whatever that's even supposed to mean. More range of opinions? If that's the case, you should know that two Republicans or Democrats don't necessarily agree and vote on opposite sides of issues. Even bigger shock for you, a Democrat and Republican might even vote on the side of a bill, but for different reasons (or even the same reason!

) , and it happens frequently. I guess I'll need to wait for you to get out of the hospital for the heart attack caused that last statement for your response.

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Reply #901 – 2016-04-09, 01:10:05

Almost pontless.

The Commons is still far wider in hard practice and as I stated the parties are all represented on Standing Committees just as you lot have something vaguely similar.But the whole point is there is still a far wider involvement in Westminster by MORE parties than 2 corporate controlled once like the Democrats and Republicans.So a far wider political base. The Conservative Party is in power yet the upper house is controlled by Labour and Liberal Democrat parties as a majority of peers when checking government bills, etc. You are still behind no matter what. It is also why so many support Trump and Sanders. The weekly Prime Minister question time is used by every political corner. So there is a conspicuous difference in the wideness whether formally or otherwise and a couple of so-called independent mindson the Hill are well, nothing.
ps. Conservative & Unionist, Labour, SNP (Scotland), Plaid Cymru (Wales), Liberal Democrats, UKIP, Ulster Unionists (Ulster) Democratic Unionists (Ulster), Social & Democratic Labour (in Ulster) all have MP's and on the committees.

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Reply #902 – 2016-04-09, 05:30:23

Quote from: rjhowie on 2016-04-08, 17:10:05

The weekly Prime Minister question time is used by every political corner. So there is a conspicuous difference in the wideness whether formally or otherwise and a couple of so-called independent minds on the Hill are well, nothing.

You refer to the circus called "question time"? Everything that matters gets done behind closed doors, and usually -I'd guess- not in Parliament's offices…

You are easily bamboozled, RJ!

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Reply #903 – 2016-04-09, 15:15:34

Quote from: rjhowie on 2016-04-09, 01:10:05

t is also why so many support Trump and Sanders.

What about the so many that supported Scottish secession? Why was that? Did they perhaps feel unrepresented in the British Parliament, that perhaps London was too distant both geographically and in response to Scottish issues even on such a "wee island?" C'mon, Howie. Let's be honest. Our senators and representatives run this country like a bunch of poo-flinging monkeys. But recent events, especially in Scotland, say that your MPs and Lords are alienating your electorate with incompetence and disconnect from the real issues facing your people. But you're not able to see that because to do so will be tantamount to an admission, especially to your America bashing self, that the UK as the same issues as the US.

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Reply #904 – 2016-04-09, 15:44:41

Say. Howie, how many years was Alex Salmond First Minister again? It seems odd that he ran unopposed in such a wide democracy, huh?

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Reply #905 – 2016-04-09, 21:51:03

Quote from: rjhowie on 2016-04-09, 01:10:05

Almost pontless. ..................
It is also why so many support Trump and Sanders.

You are mentioning Trump and Sanders in the same breath and it's not for the first time. Why? What do they both have in common?
Assuming that you'd live over the pond, whom would you give your precious vote?
Since personalities like Genghis Khan, Chiang Kai-shek or the Iron Lady are not at disposal (God bless them), who would be your favorite?
Would Tony Blair or David Cameron be fine? Unfortunately neither of them can run for presidency in the ex colonies.
So which of those who can, would be your favorite?
Hillary? Ted Cruz (someone else's darling on these forums)? Cthulhu?
Or someone I've missed?

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Reply #906 – 2016-04-13, 08:05:51

How drifting is that stuff from raccoon? If it does not fit into the limited idea of democracy across the pond then it is a failing??

That rather limited knowledge or understanding of a wider democracy is rather sad. I fully illustrated that we have national parties AND regional parties (Scotland, Wales, Ulster) .They are fully included in the parliamentary standing committees. The government before the present one was a shared one between 2 parties (impossible in the ex-colonies). I also pointed out that the Lords has more representatives from Labour and Liberal Democrats than the present government has! The upper house in wide terms does have a wide experience and in fact has retired Trade Union leaders and people of no one political corner which gives wide opportunity.

The attempt to belittle a far wider remit representation here does little to correct the deep flaw in the USA system. People over there have for many got fed up with the system. he wide suffering, restricted financial growth and frustration have seen the rise of both trump and sanders. Not that both are the same of course but have attracted vast numbers who are frustrated by the corporate carve-up on the Hill. In hard terms it has to be added that someone like Trump doing so well is an embarrassment but shows the flaw reaction very much in the face. The more thinking Americans can understand why so many flock to Trump bandwagon but is also shows in another way a very obvious lack of depth by those on the bandwagon. Even allowing for the many in the States who are intelligent and thinking people the immaturity of this election also shows the flaws.

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Reply #907 – 2016-04-13, 08:40:41

RJ, you do know that Trump talks much the same as you do…?

Part of the reason people in the U.S. are miffed is that we seem to be becoming British! They don't like that trend.

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Reply #908 – 2016-04-13, 23:22:50

What utter tripe. It is too much to the stark point for you so up you come with something where you insult your own intelligence. People ARE fed up.

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Reply #909 – 2016-04-14, 01:37:58

"People" are always fed up, Howie. That statement means nothing with being back by numbers. What are the reasons Trump's voters backed him by percentage and where's the same data for Sander's voters? Meanwhile, you just had just shy of 45% of Scots voting to leave the UK which indicates all is no well there either. At least we don't have a Salmond convincing that many people that the US should effectively be dissolved.

Since your cranium is about the same density of Plutonium and just as prone to overheating, I'll simply point that it's imbecilic to try compare width of the democracies. First of all we don't even have a proper definition. You're silly enough to claim the sheer number of political parties, when most of them have 8 seats or less out of 1,463. How many of those small parties are redundant with the Conservative and Labour parties (meaning, of course, they tend to have same positions and vote along the same lines as the larger ones?)

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Reply #910 – 2016-04-14, 02:45:02

The People are saying:
Up Yours Washington D.C.

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Reply #911 – 2016-04-14, 06:44:26

Racoon, I think we agree — on Howie's confusion.
And I like Trump's reaction to Colorado's distribution of it's delegates: Their rules were set in August; how was he to know what he should have done to win them?

He's a "rock star" after all!
Cruz has a good ground-game… I think he's likely to win the nomination. (I certainly hope he'll win the general election, too.) But I'd tell you something -just between us: I don't think you need to fear a Cruz administration.
He knows what is within the perview of the presidency…

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Reply #912 – 2016-04-14, 08:48:29

Quote from: OakdaleFTL on 2016-04-14, 06:44:26

......Cruz has a good ground-game… I think he's likely to win the nomination. (I certainly hope he'll win the general election, too.) But I'd tell you something -just between us: I don't think you need to fear a Cruz administration.
He knows what is within the perview of the presidency…

@OakdaleFTL Well the delegate count has narrowed a bit, & it's looking more & more like an "Open Convention" may be in the cards.

Either way, we can't count "What does it matter" out.

She's got the juice & connections...a real machine, & plenty of Arab cash too!

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Reply #913 – 2016-04-14, 08:49:23

Arab cash?

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Reply #914 – 2016-04-14, 08:57:17

Quote from: Frenzie on 2016-04-14, 08:49:23

Arab cash?

@Frenzie

Quote from: http://mcaf.ee/orh8tj

Four oil-rich Arab nations, all with histories of philanthropy to United Nations and Middle Eastern causes, have donated vastly more money to the Clinton Foundation than they have to most other large private charities involved in the kinds of global work championed by the Clinton family.

Since 2001, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates gave as much as $40 million to the Clinton Foundation. In contrast, six similar non-governmental global charities collected no money from those same four Middle Eastern countries; the International Committee of the Red Cross was given $6.82 million. Since 2001, these global foundations have raised a staggering $40 billion to $50 billion to fund their humanitarian work.

The existence of foreign donors to the Clinton Foundation has been well-documented in the media. What hasn’t been revealed, however, is the disparity in donations by these four nations, all of which have been criticized by the State Department over the years for a spate of issues ranging from the mistreatment of women to stoking ethnic discord in the flammable Middle East.

Moreover, the level of Arab support for the Clinton Foundation, which occurred during the time Hillary Clinton was a U.S. senator, was seeking the Democratic nomination for president against Barack Obama, and was serving as secretary of state, fuels questions about the reasons for the donations. Were they solely to support the foundation’s causes, or were they designed to curry favor with the ex-president and with a potential future president?

Mideast nations favor contributions to Clinton Foundation

Between 2001 and 2014 Middle Eastern countries gave $18 million to $50 million to the Clinton Foundation, accounting for 1.4 to 4 percent of contributions over the period. In contrast, the same nations gave about $6.82 million to the International Committee for the Red Cross, accounting for less than 1 percent of the $11.2 billion in contributions the organization received.
Saudi Arabia
$10 million to $25 million
Qatar
$1 million to $5 million
Oman
$1 million to $5 million
UAE
$1 million to $5 million

Read everything here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article24782695.html#storylink=cpy

Need I say more......follow the money, & you'll eventually be into Hillary's purse.

More about Clinton Cash:

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJngR1uZ1WE[/VIDEO]

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Reply #915 – 2016-04-14, 13:42:45

And how much business dealings over there does your man Trump have? What favors does he owe Prince Alwaleed? What of his ties to the mob ? Anybody can play this GOP conspiracy game.

Quote from: SmileyFaze on 2016-04-14, 08:57:17

More about Clinton Cash:

That makes the accusation that the Clintons work put them at the nexus of global money, influence and power. That could just as easily describe Trump. I'm not here to praise Hillary nor to bury her, just noting Trump is not an honorable man.

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Reply #916 – 2016-04-15, 01:43:43

Quote from: midnight raccoon on 2016-04-14, 22:42:45

.....Rump is not an honorable man.

May be, but a rancid turd would be more acceptable than that crusty old lyin' snatch & her partner in crime Slickoooh anyday. Bernie is just more of the same.....increase turnout & voters through freebies on our dime. More government dependency, & less legit workers to foster the debt.

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Reply #917 – 2016-04-15, 03:24:23

I’m sure you know by know that anybody that actually wants to be president shouldn’t have the job. The whole Washington establishment are crooks. Trump manages to be both a crook and literal fascist. Yes, I really mean it. Some of his policies border on actual fascism and the support he’s getting on Stormfront and other fascist/racist sites is disturbing. When you have neo-nazis and Klan members supporting your guy, you might want to take a step back and reconsider your position. I’d support Cruz, despite my concerns that he’s a theocrat, just to keep Trump from being president. Make no mistake, I’m not throwing around epithets. Bush was supposedly a fascist, then Obama . Neither had any basis in reality. But Trump’s xenophobic positions combined with his authoritarianism make him smell like the real deal, even if he’s not self-aware of that fact. I told you near the begining of the Tea Party thread that you folks will “small government” your way straight into a dictatorship. By supporting Trump, you’re helping make that come true.

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Reply #918 – 2016-04-15, 03:37:07

Glad to see you coming around to the Cruz "camp"… But I've always felt his fidelity to the constitution precludes any tendency he might have towards theocracy.
But you will admit, the Trump candidacy is great fun!

He's even less serious than Wallace was! And at least Perot had charts!

Still, I don't think he's a fascist: He's a wanna-be fascist! (He's not smart enough…)

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Reply #919 – 2016-04-15, 09:54:28

You really are very arrogant, ignorant, full of yourself, raccoon. Slag me off as you wish as you would not face me in person. We were talking about systems and comparisons but you lower thongs to the point of ignorance. Some of the ignorant labels you shove on me could be very much stuck on one of your Presidential candidates. The man in qauestgion is a laughing stock of your country and would get nowhere in a normal democracy in Europe or here in the Western world. You choose to ignore the real obvious because you are a mental low life who thinks he is something.

Can I say Oakdale that the man you are leaning towards for the election seems to have some problems on the Hill on the personal popularity stakes.

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Reply #920 – 2016-04-15, 15:44:57

Quote from: OakdaleFTL on 2016-04-15, 03:37:07

Still, I don't think he's a fascist: He's a wanna-be fascist! (He's not smart enough...)

Here's a Slate you might enjoy. It discusses what the echoes of fascism in Trump as well the differences between past European fascists though an interview was fascism expert Robert Paxton. I found the article too short myself.

Salon has an answer and makes it's own points on the matter. and wraps it up by saying:

Quote

In conclusion, the Fascism analogy is admittedly not a perfect fit. When it comes to ideologies, no analogy is. This is because ideologies change through time. The religious anti-Semitism of the Middle Ages was very different from its racial reincarnation during the nineteenth century, the latter of which was picked up by the Nazis (although religious anti-Semitism still remained a part of it). The anti-imperial, liberal, nationalism of the first half of the nineteenth century was very different from its more virulent, expansionist, and repressive kind at the beginning of the twentieth. Stalin’s Bolshevism was much scarier and arbitrarily deadlier than Lenin’s. In other words, just like the overuse of historical analogies should not make us too quick to embrace them, a search for a perfect ideological replica of interwar Fascism should not blind us to its ugly re-emergence in 2016.

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Reply #921 – 2016-04-15, 15:52:02

Quote from: rjhowie on 2016-04-15, 09:54:28

Slag me off as you wish as you would not face me in person.

Crying umbrage because you can't answer my questions, than?

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Reply #922 – 2016-04-15, 19:45:42

Now this from Wisconsin.

While looking for the derivation of a family name for my wife, I ran into the following:
"But back to modern life. It is a truth universally acknowledged that having children inevitably demands an increases one’s flatulent vocab. For us, apart from toot, we’ve talked a lot more about parping and trumping than we’d ever anticipated pre-children. And so I’m shocked to find out that according to my edition of the Historical Thesaurus of the Oxford English Dictionary (oh yes!), the word trump, meaning fart, was in usage from 1425-1798. I’d like to make a correction, please. It is alive and well in our house at least."

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Reply #923 – 2016-04-15, 23:53:39

Listen raccy, I have indicated quite simply the vast difference in political systems and that ours IS wider but you choose to be one of those red neck mentalities that do your country no good at all. Instead you choose to ignore what was a straightforward thing into going berserk. Your problem not mine. It does not matter a damn which of the two corporate parties takes the white house as the tens of millions on food stamps will remain the same, big numbers losing their homes and salaried people under strain. If you did not go round the globe warring and at the same time look after your own people properly then there would be no room for what is emphasised.

You can scoff all you like about the smaller parties here but they in actuality get not only votes but MP's in parliament and as I also pointed out the regional players are as much part of the stadning committees as the bigger parties. Indeed there are chairmen who are not in the governing party! Trump is an embarrassment to decent and sensible Americans and in a completely different corner the amount of support Sanders gets especially from the young shows there are problems. Trouble is that if you are in a party outside the big 2 who are corporate barons you haven't a snowball chance in the hot place. Wide democracy? Nope.

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Reply #924 – 2016-04-16, 00:36:56

Quote from: rjhowie on 2016-04-15, 09:54:28

Slag me off as you wish

You might want to clarify that for those who aren't aware of y'alls bastardized version of the English language.

It could be.......misinterpreted.