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Reply #50

You're living in fantasy land.

How can you tell?
Is there any part of that latest effusion that you understand?

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Reply #51
It is too direct for you that is the main trouble as the tradition in the Opera then this corner is for a wee bunch of self-styled intellectuals want to show off.  Where was i wrong? It is known that the long existing pale face people across there ARE going to be the minority for example and that brings not only social and racial tensions but every part of society will be effected. Hurry tt92 I think i hear the primary school bell ringing.

Ah thank you dear jimbro for that description. As the ex-colonies strain financially across the globe and too many especially Republicans living in fantasy land I much appreciate you donating that one usual self aclaim away (ps. Don't laet the Gestapo, oops CIA know). Very kind pf you and quite a step for an American to make "Butler, a crate of Irn Bru to the settler and new Kentuckian."
"Quit you like men:be strong"

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Reply #52
 ???


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Reply #54
No he is not so much that but a self styled would-be intellectual and do hope he can be more practical instead of unwittingly head for buffoonery. He doesn't like anything to straightforwardly simple as that detracts from his intellect self assessing.  What he cannot properly answer he haughtily dismisses as if he is a  person above the ordinary folk! His answers show the point and I am surprised not to see a whole batch of selfies on here! Anyway he won't upset me as he is unintentionally amusing and that is fine.  :happy:
"Quit you like men:be strong"


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Reply #56
Will not dwell on the looking an age deviance and concentrate rather on positivity. He looks like a retired subtle character who could have been a personality in alternative comedy, spurious newspaper columnist, sketch writer.
"Quit you like men:be strong"

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Reply #57
Nobody will believe this one...
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DUBAI, United Arab Emirates — Two Saudi women detained for nearly a month after they defied edicts that prohibit women from driving were referred on Thursday to a court established to try terrorism cases, several people close to the defendants said.


But it can be checked out in today's New York Times @...
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/26/world/middleeast/saudi-antiterrorism-court-to-try-women-held-for-driving.html?ref=world

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Reply #58

Nobody will believe this one...

Nothing special for not to be believed.
Our dear Saudi friends and allies are as good if not even better at chopping heads publicly as the IS guys.
The only difference is that one of them are our official friends while the others are not.

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Reply #59
I agree that both are to condemned.

I wonder what the underlying common factor might be.

 

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Reply #60

I agree that both are to condemned.

You are right - theoretically at least.

Hypocrisy is part of human nature and can heighten ad absurdum.
The same applies to terrorists.
There are good terrorists, those who are useful for our geostrategic interests (call them moderate or freedom fighters) and bad terrorists, those who don't serve our geostrategic interests.

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Reply #61

I agree that both are to condemned.

I wonder what the underlying common factor might be.

Hmm. Nature or Nurture? It is no longer fashionable to suggest that they might be Untermenschen. Perhaps they have some common religious beliefs.

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Reply #62

Nothing special for not to be believed.
Our dear Saudi friends and allies are as good if not even better at chopping heads publicly as the IS guys.
The only difference is that one of them are our official friends while the others are not.


That is an astonishingly ridiculous statement. Yes, Saudi Arabia has a high number of executions, 79 last year, twice the number of USA (39), for serious crime like drug smuggling and witchcraft. 79 people killed in what in Saudi Arabia passes for due process (strongly influenced by money and power). That is not particularly good, but seriously "Saudi Arabia beheads people, IS beheads people, thus SA is as least as bad killers as IS"?

I could include the IS rap sheet, but (1) it shouldn't be necessary and (2) it would be off-topic here, but not in the designated thread. This thread is (presumably) about autonomous small groups of killers or single killers, the Islamist versions of McVeigh and Breivik.

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Reply #63
There are good terrorists, those who are useful for our geostrategic interests (call them moderate or freedom fighters) and bad terrorists, those who don't serve our geostrategic interests.

Is a term like "freedom fighter" even used anymore since the Wall fell? I've seen words like "guerrillas" my entire life, "freedom fighter" being some kind of quaint Cold War relic that primarily refers to guerrillas opposing oppressive communist regimes. Perhaps it's simply that the militants tend to instill their own dictatorship after emerging victoriously, but let's not forget that some insurgents never use the language of freedom at all. Some rather explicitly want to install dictatorships and/or theocracies. As such the term "freedom fighter" seems more naive than meaningless per se. A pretty common way to distinguish between "regular" insurgents and terrorists is whether or not they make a point of attacking non-combatants. So,

a. Hamas targeting Israeli soldiers is probably not terrorism, depending a bit on the specifics including e.g. treatment of prisoners.
b. Hamas targeting Israeli citizens is definitely terrorism.

Ergo, Hamas is a terrorist organization, clear as day. It's only when b is absent that things might get a bit muddier. In my experience, b is always present when calling something a terrorist organization.

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Reply #64
Some time ago took the trouble to struggle through the Geneva Convention on he garment of Prisoners,; maybe I should repeat the exercise, which was done in the context of Guantanamo Bay, of mavbe not because it's hard work.

My recollection is that it's a document reflecting "old fashioned" standard (not that such is necessarily bad) and the bottom line seemed basically to be that if you wore uniform you ere covered by the convention, otherwise not.

I suspect that there is something similar in age for the definition of terrorist, at least as far as internationally agreements are concerned.

Other than that G.Bush's definition seems to apply - you're either for us or against us. 


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Reply #66
It's no less ridiculous coming from a Newsweek journalist. Sure, the death penalty is hard to justify, beheading is not a good method of execution, and the Saudi justice is deficient. In all a good case undermined by ludicrous hyperbole. No, everything doesn't have to be compared with Holocaust or other crimes against humanity to get the point through that it is bad.


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Reply #67
That's odd. "Beheading is not a good method of execution". Hmmm, you mean it doesn't always work? How did I miss those execution by beheadings that failed to kill the condemned person?
What would happen if a large asteroid slammed into the Earth?
According to several tests involving a watermelon and a large hammer, it would be really bad!

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Reply #68
Beheadings don't always work as intended, no. Killing somebody isn't that challenging when you have somebody at your mercy. A plastic bag is sufficient. The issue is how to kill. It isn't easy even for an experienced executioner to make a clean kill with a sword or an axe. That's why modern technology invented the guilliotine, as machines are better at killing people.

[video]http://youtu.be/lEMaOW_Vpnc[/video]

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Reply #69


Nobody will believe this one...

Nothing special for not to be believed.
Our dear Saudi friends and allies are as good if not even better at chopping heads publicly as the IS guys.
The only difference is that one of them are our official friends while the others are not.

Maybe the best way to label these terrorist attacks is mini-warfare, as opposed to the more horrendous example of the bombing of Dresden.

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Reply #70
Interesting angle to categorise capital punishment as an act of terrorism/mini-warfare.

Unless you meant the thread start topic of solo/small group murder/crime sprees. There are always rebels looking for a cause to do mayhem, and there are people to take advantage of that. Supply and demand.

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Reply #71
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Our dear Saudi friends and allies are as good if not even better at chopping heads publicly


it seems like Punish and reward for certain purposes .

an ancient methode , but usually always works .

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Reply #72

Maybe the best way to label these terrorist attacks is mini-warfare, as opposed to the more horrendous example of the bombing of Dresden.

BTW,
the bombing of Dresden had no influence on the outcome of WWII. Historians telling the opposite are lying in an attempt to justify that war crime. Even the number of victims were oficially retouched.
At the time of the bombings Germany has already lost the war. It was the obsession of a Briton to fry as many Germans as possible and the more pragmatic reason of the US to warn Stalin. The Soviets who entered Dresden short after the bombings were indeed impressed...

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Reply #73
Dresden was a major transportation, communications and manufacturing hub. To claim it was of no military significance is a bunch of hooey. And who knew what the Germans were still capable of anyway? They'd just scared the wits out of the Allied forces with the Ardennes counteroffensive, while my father was starving. Without the bombing of Dresden, requested by the Soviets I might add, who knows what kind of eastern counteroffensive might've been put into operation. That we know in hindsight that another Ardennes offensive was probably out of the question isn't terribly relevant. Looking back it's much too easy to say that Hitler committed suicide only three months later.

There is a problem with the Dresden bombing: hardly any attempts were made to avoid civilian targets. Combined with Hamburg, but particularly Hiroshima and Nagasaki, there is really no need to grasp at straws to paint your picture of America as Genghis Khan incarnate.

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Reply #74
My earliest memories as a 2 or 3 year old was talking shelter in the steel "shelter" we had in our living room.

It would not have helped much  I suspect but we spent a lot of time there sheltering from the German bombers as they came over.


fortunately no bomb came to our home, but there were a lot of places that did get bombed in the UK, and those bombs were not iaselective either.

I can tut-tut with the best of them about indiscriminate bombing, can't get to worked up about Dresden I'm afraid.

We have this saying:

"What goes around comes around".