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Reply #75 –
The otcome of the Presidential Election (already boring ex-colonists bright sparks) will not make a lot of difference. There will still be tens of millions of poor and millions lost homes, imperial military spending and so on. I bet the really bright Americans (they exist) will be shaking their heads at the long off election carnival.  :zzz:
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Reply #76 –
Quote from: OakdaleFTL on
As usual, you've Freudian-slipped, and fell on your keister!  :)

Did you seriously not understand? Unlike your right-wing rhetoric,  spiraling healthcare costs were threatening to bankrupt the country through Medicare/Medicaid, taxpayers having to pay for the medical costs of the uninsured - making the argument that through the ACA you're paying someone's medical bill all the more ironic since the geniuses at the GOP probably really don't understand they already are, etc Our discussion would be so much better if your read for understanding instead of trying to find a strawman in posts.

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Reply #77 –
Quote from: Sanguinemoon on
spiraling healthcare costs were threatening to bankrupt the country through Medicare/Medicaid, taxpayers having to pay for the medical costs of the uninsured

You actually believe that?
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Reply #78 –
The country could be bankrupted through the medical situation/ Duh.

The same nation spends half the world's armaments bill so that is more likely to bankrupt and it is totally un-necessary if you stopped poking into other countries. Looking after your own people and their health is far, far, more important than imperial mess ups. Surely the health of so many who are struggling is more of a principled stance after all there are millions who cannot even use the new care thing.
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Reply #79 –
Quote from: rjhowie on
The country could be bankrupted through the medical situation/ Duh.

That's why the Heritage Foundation, a conservative thinktank, came up with the guts of the ACA in the first place.  In fact, the Republicans have been warning for years that the medical entitlements would, if not bankrupt the country, drive the deficit through the ceiling; especially with millions of aging babyboomers that will need healthcare at an increasing rate.

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Reply #80 –
And Sanguinemoon why spend so much on military? Surely the day to day health of the people is more important. Even more so with tens of millions of poor who are not getting much basically out of life. Here every single political party is 100% behind our National Health Service and they might argue over points but not one wants to see it go no matter what.  I am aware of the much different tradition over the water (if not all the details) bu here  I am glad that one can go to get help and not be worried that an insurance system has some small print that stops you getting what might be needed. It is too much of a gamble and cannot help but feel for the less well off in your country and is a shame. Many here feel that you have a system that is rather selective and is a pity for so many folk.
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Reply #81 –
What a tragedy . The U.S.A. hasn't got its own rj to set everything right.

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Reply #82 –
Let's bring him over and amend the constitution so we can install him as President
Quote from: rjhowie on
Surely the day to day health of the people is more important. Even more so with tens of millions of poor who are not getting much basically out of life.

A basic problem with ACA is that doesn't directly address the causes of America's healthcare costs. A recent CBO report shows "Obamacare" will cost less than expected and even the earlier, higher estimate showed substantial savings over leaving things they were. So that's good news. The bad news is will well above any other advanced country and even insured people can be bankrupted by falling ill. Yup, healthcare will be an even larger political issue in campaigns to come, both from the financial prospective and the moral one.

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Reply #83 –
Quote from: tt92 on

What a tragedy . The U.S.A. hasn't got its own rj to set everything right.
Wrong. We do. It's in Texas. It's Republican. It's Gov. Rick Perry.

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Reply #84 –
Quote from: Jimbro3738 on

Quote from: tt92 on

What a tragedy . The U.S.A. hasn't got its own rj to set everything right.
Wrong. We do. It's in Texas. It's Republican. It's Gov. Rick Perry.



Wrong tt92. Wrong Jaybro. We do. It's in New York. It's Demonrat. Its Hillary "What difference does it make" Rottham-Clinton.



                         [glow=black,2,300]Hillary Lied  --  They Died.[/glow]


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Reply #85 –
Well you lot could do with me over over there. Amusing for jimbro to equate me with one of those rightist Republican nightmares but we in GB have absolutely nothing like that corner and being more democratic very thankful for that. They would get nowhere hear. With every political party in the UK 100% our system says something about care and concern and not money or trying to find a job with insurance built in. For a change the place would be run for the people - all of the people not just the money barons so dear muckers your loss! Having been in the public eye, leadership, strong and a public speaker knowing how easy it is to wow ex-colonists it would be a new revolution without all the failed stuff in the 18th century!  :yes: :hat:

Can I say Sanguinemoon, it is good to here that health issue nicknamed "Obamacare" is less expensive than being aired yet what about the working class below those who can pay for that care? Not everyone can get a job with health thrown in and we are fortunate not to have that to mess with. So what do those at the bottom with low paid jobs, etc do? I have mentioned before teams of doctors (and dentists) who have toured about America offering free measurement and they are overwhelmed. Even allowing for any misuse what do the bottom folk do - a charity hospital if found - get worse or just die? It seems they are not included in the general picture and your health area must be one of the most expensive in the world.  Those outside of the rich or those middle-class people who can afford Obamacare but the picture being missed are the unfortunates in their droves?  :(
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Reply #87 –
Quote from: rjhowie on
So what do those at the bottom with low paid jobs, etc do?

What happens to them is they have to go to the Emergency Room for ailments and injuries can and should be treated at a clinic. The ER at least has to stabilize your condition and can't turn you away. This, of course, is another factor that drives up the healthcare costs in America. Those people you mentioned often can't pay for that ER visit, so the taxpayers do a couple different ways: The hospital has to adjust their prices upward to compensate for the unpaid bills (and thus insurance prices follow suit) if it's a private hospital or the hospital is run by the state, the cost is paid for through tax money. The more the GOP tried to avoid having to pay other people's medical bills by eliminating "Obamacare", the more they cause the very thing they try to avoid to happen.

You touched on low-income people can be expected to pay for the mandated insurance. What the ACA does is grant subsidies to low-income people to pay for the insurance in the hopes they can see a clinic that will charge a couple hundred dollars to treat the illness/injury instead of a couple thousand and thus not a much cost will be passed on to other people. The GOP think small and say "I don't want to MY tax dollars to subsidize somebody else's insurance! :irked: " They're too blind to se they're already are. I can't stress this enough, the pre-Obama GOP already understood this. Amazing how it suddenly became "socialist" and wrong the second Obama was sworn in. :p

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Reply #88 –
Quote from: Macallan on
Nah, just make him Czar of Whacking Congress Critters over the Head. Plenty of empty skulls there, lots of work for him. With enough whacking they might actually get something done.

At least he arrange them in order of skull thickness and make a kind of GOP Empty Skull xylophone. If he uploads it to Youtube, his views can be the billions as he plays Flower of Scotland . If he takes the show on the road for world-wide tour, his profits could be eight or nine figures. For the American leg of the show, he'll want to use a Las Vegas agency, obviously.

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Reply #89 –
Nice try jimbro but we are  almost children at the game.  A completely diffeernt political system and as for the Guardian that loss-making lefty paper will of course follow the Labour Party mind. Here tv ads for politics are strictly controlled and only prior to important elections. Every party even at local town councils is strictly limited as is the content plus what it can spend on a candidate. Everything must be submitted to the authorities. The power of the lobbyist is about but it is certainly not at the level of what goes on in your hill with tens of thousands of them. One can understand your need to defend but we are amateurs compared to your country. Unlimited cash flows by the rich and big business. Constant  wars so that the military hardware industry will make profits. Even the Democrats when Obama first stood got massive corporate money. Health is big money profits whereas here all are looked after no matter the circumstances. In your recent national elections just think what the vote was for regarding so-called representatives of the people. When individually comfortable it is so easy just to ignore the real truth behind the scenes. The rich here pay a very big percentage of the government income but don't try and tell me it is the same in the land of the people.

There is much to be complimentary of but trying to say everyone else is the same or actually indirectly as bad is a joke! ( :devil:)  Because of the power of the Wall Street barons nationally people are becoming less and less inclined to vote because they know the political system was hi-jacked a while ago. I do feel it is sad because the people are basically decent but a two-party system that is controlled by Wall Street has failed but the people unable to do anything about it.  ???
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Reply #90 –
Rj, please put a space between the : and the word "be". PLEASE!

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Reply #91 –
 :blush:
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Reply #92 –
 :bye:

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Reply #93 –
Double  :bye: and :rip:

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Reply #94 –
Doubtless  :rip: to return the third day.

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Reply #95 –
Maybe Americans should get the chance to vote for the corporates as they effectively run the place not the would-be politicians. Hhhm, maybe on second thoughts that would only confuse the situation as they are both in the same camp. A President approval rate of 40% and barely 50% voting, oh dear.
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Reply #96 –
Anyone else on here think Mr. Howie lives in a detached house?  :eek:  :right:

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Reply #97 –
Quote from: rjhowie on
A President approval rate of 40% and barely 50% voting, oh dear.

I actually wonder if it's possible for a president to maintain much about, say, 50% these days. The biased media will bad mouth the sitting President regardless of what's happening. For example, I wonder how much Fox reports that Obama is presiding over the fastest growing economy in more than a decade.

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Reply #98 –
Quote from: Sanguinemoon on
I wonder how much Fox reports that Obama is presiding over the fastest growing economy in more than a decade.


Witnessing, along with us all   would probably better specifically define his place in the present economic picture.

Our American Economy has a heartbeat all it's own, & will virtually rise & fall as it pleases.

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Reply #99 –
Quote from: SmileyFaze on

Quote from: Sanguinemoon on
I wonder how much Fox reports that Obama is presiding over the fastest growing economy in more than a decade.


Witnessing, along with us all   would probably better specifically define his place in the present economic picture.

Our American Economy has a heartbeat all it's own, & will virtually rise & fall as it pleases.

My party presides over the good times and your party over the bad.