The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga

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Reply #1850 – 2016-12-05, 21:39:22

Quote of the day: "the Democrats’ insane and suicidal jump down the rabbit hole of minoritarian politics is why they lost the election."

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Reply #1851 – 2016-12-20, 07:27:31

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December 19, 2016

Donald J. Trump was confirmed as president-elect today by members of the Electoral College, winning at least 304 electoral votes. Texas put Trump over the top as it cast its vote after 5PM ET today. 304 is likely to be Trump's final number, as the three states yet to vote - California, Nevada and Hawaii - were won by Hillary Clinton on Election Day. Should those electors all vote as pledged, Clinton will end up with 228 votes.

In the end, there wasn't a lot of drama in the vote. There were 6 faithless electors, however, including 4 in Washington and two in Texas. While a small number, this is the highest number of faithless electors for president since the 19th century. There were attempts by electors in Colorado, Maine and Minnesota to cast faithless votes, but these were disallowed.

Trump will be sworn in as the 45th president at noon on January 20, 2017.

Source: 270 TO WIN (link)

The final count: (Donald Trump needed 270 to win)

TRUMP 304 Clinton 228

Colin Powell 3

John Kasich 1 Ron Paul 1

Native American, Faith Spotted Eagle 1

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Reply #1852 – 2016-12-20, 07:33:04

In the end there was a ray of light for [glow=green,2,300]DemonRat Shillary "The HildaBeast" Clinton[/glow]..............
She resoundingly crushed Republican Colin Powell!

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Reply #1853 – 2016-12-20, 13:46:19

Quote from: SmileyFaze on 2016-12-20, 07:33:04

She resoundingly crushed Republican Colin Powell!

I thought that was kind of interesting. Clinton, or any other Democrat, would not be elected if the election was transferred to the (Republican) house. This means that Colin Powell is The Most Acceptable Republican For President among Democrats, at least these three Democrats. Wonder who would be The Most Acceptable Democrat among Republicans.

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Reply #1854 – 2016-12-20, 19:17:43

Glad to see Dr. Paul getting some love.

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Reply #1855 – 2016-12-20, 22:29:03

Trump has proven to be The Most Unacceptable Republican Among Democrats and Republicans.

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Reply #1856 – 2016-12-20, 23:57:46

Barulheira, you shouldn't take the New York Time's editorial page so seriously…

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Reply #1857 – 2016-12-21, 01:21:24

Dr Paul makes a pleasant change over there from the usual.

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Reply #1858 – 2016-12-21, 05:13:32

Quote from: rjhowie on 2016-12-20, 17:21:24

Dr Paul makes a pleasant change over there from the usual.

An unelectable, naive and particularly unaccomplished (…in politics!) candidate: The sort you Brits prefer!

Your theme song is "Bring In The Clowns"…

Did Paul ever do anything to reign in the EPA? (Yes, I still -somewhat- blame Thatcher for the IPCC…

)

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Reply #1859 – 2016-12-21, 09:28:42

Quote from: OakdaleFTL on 2016-12-21, 05:13:32

An unelectable, naive and particularly unaccomplished (…in politics!) candidate: The sort you Brits prefer! Your theme song is "Bring In The Clowns"…

...says the guy who voted Trump.

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Reply #1860 – 2016-12-21, 09:35:22

Who won the election.

I know you don't like that result. But Putin wasn't running…

And Hillary wasn't hardly!
Bet you still feel aggrieved, that Al Gore lost in 2000. Or Carter, in 1980!
Perhaps you would have preferred Humphrey, in the 1960s. But our nation chose Nixon. Go figure!

The idea that Russia "hacked" our election is ludicrous. The idea that people take such conspiracy theories seriously is disheartening.

The Dems seem to be deranged. I'd expected that. Still, that so many ostensible Americans (and Europeans) feel that way — well, that tells me that, indeed, the time has come for a sea-change…

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Reply #1861 – 2016-12-21, 09:40:23

Yes, the clown won the election. Win-win!

(Just a reminder: Obama won twice before. Did it matter to you? No. So any election win should not matter to you now either. If you were consistent, that is.)

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Reply #1862 – 2016-12-21, 09:58:30

You'd like your Nazi brothers, until… Nah! You're a nasty little propagandist. Who nobody pays attention to, anymore. Sorry 'bout that; lost your Soviet empire, eh?!
You don't like Trump? Who -in their right mind- would care, what you think? (You give no reasons, no arguments. You only repeat media memes… And, oh, say he's not a "nice" man. Well, sir, you're not either.) Run for election, somewhere!

Like Howie, who did run repeatedly, you'd be soundly defeated. Because that's what you do: Rage against the regime!

Nah. You're impotent, both of you. You've never figured out how to matter.

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Reply #1863 – 2016-12-21, 10:09:05

Quote from: OakdaleFTL on 2016-12-21, 09:58:30

You don't like Trump?

I don't like Clinton either, male or female. Or Putin. Or the prez and govt of my own country. I like neither US, SU or EU. The thing is, like has nothing to do with it, but for you it's all that matters. That's somewhat of a difference between us.

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Reply #1864 – 2016-12-21, 20:58:03

And with that we can bring this 'glorious' thread to a close. _{[I hope.]}

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Reply #1865 – 2016-12-22, 01:36:41

You are often funnier than you deliberately try to be OakdaleFTL! When it comes to democracy and elections and control freaks I doubt anywhere in the West could be funnier than what you poor saps are stuck with!

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Reply #1866 – 2016-12-22, 07:23:34

Quote from: ensbb3 on 2016-12-21, 20:58:03

And with that we can bring this 'glorious' thread to a close. _{[I hope.]}

There goes hoping. Maybe next year. We'll see which of this and that will last the longest.

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Reply #1867 – 2016-12-22, 07:30:01

Without a doubt, music and humor at the level of Borge will outlast all political squabbles! As they should…

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Reply #1868 – 2016-12-25, 05:08:56

Ah music. think will go and listen to Wagner.

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Reply #1869 – 2016-12-25, 05:17:07

I well-remember the critic who quipped: "Wagner's music is nowhere as bad as it sounds…"

And I've always wondered: Was Beethoven already deaf, when he wrote Eroica?

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Reply #1870 – 2016-12-26, 02:48:59

Lot of classical music I like and on a lesser level once, sorry twice met my favourite pop singer Billy J Kramer who has lived in the ex-colonies for years with his wife, etc on Long Island. Anyway, I digress from classy music. As for the election I can understand in principle those who are miffed that their candidate Clinton did not win. But how can a country boast about being democratic and with a proper voting system then go daft? No-one bothered their bums about the Electoral College thing until now. The other problem apart from wondering what Donald Trump will do is that for an awful lot of Americans they did not like Hilary Clinton either! There are things about her that are negative. There were also an awful lot of very lower down and traditional working class people who in the past voted Democrat but instead moved to Trump as they were fed up with being ignored.

The by far the greatest difficulty the American system has is that BOTH the big two are corporate leaning and many are getting fed up with gaps getting wider and much industry lost.

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Reply #1871 – 2016-12-27, 06:40:05

Quote from: rjhowie on 2016-12-26, 02:48:59

But how can a country boast about being democratic and with a proper voting system then go daft? No-one bothered their bums about the Electoral College thing until now.

RJ.....as I've said before, I will say to you again.

The American Founding Fathers did not found a Democratic government.

They despised the thought of America being a "Democracy".

They found a Constitutional Republic, which is based on some Democratic Principals, but is definitely not a Democracy, never was....never will be.

Anyone who has been telling you otherwise........that America is a Democracy.........is completely wrong, & totally misleading you out of their own ignorance of American History.

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFXuGIpsdE0[/VIDEO]

As far as an Electoral College........every Presidential Election since the late 18th Century, has been decided by the Electoral College.

Now, barring a Constitutional Amendment, all future Presidential Elections will continue to be decided by the Electoral College.

Why, because the United States of America is not a mobocracy (or Democracy as you call it....same thing) where 50% plus 1 vote rules the day, & the Minority always will, without rights, always be at the mercy of the Majority.....

No, decisions are accomplished via regulations/laws the Founding Fathers wrote into the Law of the Land to protect the Rights of the Minority...........The U.S. Constitution.........completely on purpose, & as a Constitutional Republic, the United States will be forever governed by the Law of the Land..........the United States Constitution............& not a Majority Rule, which would always be at the expense of the Rights of the Minority.

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Reply #1872 – 2016-12-28, 01:46:38

That is a passing excuse to try and lecture me as if I am out of kilter. Your "explanation" of being a constitutional republic is in the same corner as OakdaleFTL's view. The actual practical guff is something else.

By that I mean for boundless years Americans including politicians have belaboured being a great democracy (and yawn) the greatest in the world (baloney of course). This stuff has been standard and belaboured time after time. So does that mean mass numbers of the population are ignorant, uneducated or simply brained f nationalists? As for the election which for those of us living in democracies look like kindergarten mentality gatherings fully realised that when a party comes first it is the winner! However large numbers of Yankee Doodles went berserk. Those who boast about being liberal minded went daft at losing the damn thing and it makes the country look even dafter on systems whatever the boasting folk over there might have.

Did we see the mass numbers who thronged to get carried away with the thought that Clinton would be President moan about the Electoral college thing? No we did not but now they do, haha. Brilliant! On the Republican side many who moaned that Trump was getting where he wanted and succeeded. For good or ill he touched an awful lot of Americans who were not doing well and were fed up with the DC carving up of the political establishment. What happened for the White House was a form of democracy and someone has to win and the other lose. i might thing the system is duff and millions ignored by it but you lot are tuck with it and we will now have to wait and see how Donald trump gets on. Clinton was going to go ape on Russia and be very confrontational on the world stage. Obama did not turn out as was proclaimed and as i pointed out killed more by drones and such than GW Bush that the democrats moaned about. I will for the moment skip the Cuban military basis matter (!).

There were more from grey cell minds who did vote for Trump and an awful lot of bottom working class people who were as I argued traditional Democrats. The corporates were well into Clinton's camp for all the guff she came out with trying to portray she wasn't in it! So America you had an election and voted and someone won and let us see what the new man does and accept that a sie lost and have to get on with it. If he messes up you can always do a Carter one term result!

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Reply #1873 – 2016-12-28, 04:41:15

Ooh, I like that, RJ! "If he goes 'full Carter'" he will only serve one term!

Quote from: rjhowie on 2016-12-27, 17:46:38

That is a passing excuse to try and lecture me as if I am out of kilter.

What RJ refers to is his own ignorance: He's heard that America is "for" democracy, and hence our representative republic must be more like — a constitutional monarchy — else we're less "democratic"…
But what he has never seemed to understand is what Smileyfaze has made plain many times (I have too!): He knows few words and doesn't care what they mean, specially in context. (The very word is beyond his ken!)
Does he understand that his two runs for local office rejected his views, since he was rejected by the people who knew him best? Does he care? No: He thinks he's right and everybody else is wrong! Luckily, he's too old to try again… But he thinks everyone should try!
It's very democratic!
Hm. How many stupid people do we need in government?
I grant that Howie would not have had penury incentives… He'd have had the usual wonderful British civil service back-drop: He can -being of that age- rest easy.

But he won't last much longer: So, he doesn't care about future generations. He's a true Liberal!
Although he's occasionally mentioned that he did appreciate Maggie Thatcher… Methinks the boy talks out of both sides of his mouth…

Returning to the theme: How many stupid people do we need to govern us? By Howie's reasoning, as many as is possible…
Boy, that sure seems like a recipe for success!

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Reply #1874 – 2016-12-28, 10:59:59

So... American political system is a non democratic system in order to assure minority rights which would be completely disrespected under a democratic system... brilliant.

However, not too much different from Hussein's regime protecting the sunite minority... or... Idi Amin Dada or Ceausescu or Papa Doc... the list of non democratic republics defending minorities is endless.

I've seen much better arguments for defending non democratic regimes.
It's obvious that concepts as political legitimacy are totally unknow at the vast American prairies.