Gun Control - Should Ordinary Citizens Own, Carry, & Use Firearms?

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Reply #900 – 2015-04-18, 21:24:58

I think that jimbro hit the nail wisely on the head about a "well organised militia." It shows how even a straightforward constitution can be misused by a crowd of head bangers. Today with a vast army for defence and there IS a militia namely the National Guard kind of says it all.

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Reply #901 – 2015-04-18, 23:35:22

RJ, that attitude invites tyranny… Damn it, we fought a bloody war for eight years to be rid of it!

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Reply #902 – 2015-04-19, 03:21:25

Quote from: OakdaleFTL on 2015-04-18, 23:35:22

RJ, that attitude invites tyranny… Damn it, we fought a bloody war for eight years to be rid of it!

Exactly, in the mid to late 1700's the Bastard King George reigned over the Colonies with an iron fist, & his local law enforcers, his guard, ran a half century of tyranny over the Colonies, who until those troubled times, were loyal to England.

The very last thing the Founding Fathers wanted was an army under total governmental control. They wanted the government to always be responsible & responsive to the People, where all power to govern emanates.

The Federal Government's Constitutional charge regarding an army (a military) was to use one to protect the American People from threats from outside America's borders, not to run roughshod over the People from within America's borders.

Power was to run bottom up so to speak, & government was never to be allowed to become too powerful to even think of turning those tables.

RJ you & all the left can cry it, & bang your empty drums till you turn blue ---- The Militia never was, nor ever will be, the National Guard or any military force like it. The principals of which are far, far over your heads, & way out of your reach of understanding.

The Militia always was, & always will be, American Citizens, the American People, armed with weapons similar to the National Army, to ensure Tyranny never raises it's ugly domestic head, for if it ever does[glow=blue,2,300] "WE THE PEOPLE" [/glow] will revolt, & if necessary violently remove those who attempt to take power away from the People, & reign over them as did the very last Monarch that tried ..... the Bastard British King George, long may his stinking bones rot in hell.

[glow=blue,2,300]Defend Against Terrorists From Outside Of
~~ OR ~~
Within America's Borders. [/glow]

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Reply #903 – 2015-04-19, 13:57:42

Oh dear. For goodness sake Oakdale the militia thing ws raised at a time of revolution and war in th early days. You have an over large army you have a militia as i stated that National Guard so where the heck do you conjure up that utter nonsense about the tryanny aspect. Or are you admitting that although there IS a militia you are under tryanny/ As for breaking with that word against us just look what you got in the end.

Today it is corporate industry that runs the damn place not the political system as the number of there pundist who hang around the congress are in mass thousands. continually there has been movement between politicians and especially those who are meant to check on safety, industry rules and so on moving into that spehere! Tome after time it has shown that so-called government checks are a joke.And the people who led your wasted revolution were the upper class and that is stil the case today. Just remember that over 40% of the lower house are millionaires and 60% of the upper one. To stand for either of the 2 demagogues parties you need to be rich. Guns? They swamp the place with tons of them everywhere which shows that as a nation you have never grown up . It is money and gun mads who run the country and any principled idea that may (and I stick with may) away back in the 18th century are long gone.

I think that jimbro was totally right in what he said about the matter of militias. Are you teliing me the 200 plus million with guns are in militias? no they are not and they are warpoing a consitution to suit their own silly, infantile and gormless mindsets. There are of course tens of millions of sensibles over there but the deep problem is that the childish gunslingers who watched too many cowboy films whewn young are a national freakery and danger. Meanwhile you will keep gunning 10,000 annually of each other and you make the world shake it's head and the arrogants like the terrorists supporter Smiley will of course adopt their own kindergarten minds that they don't care what other countries think. With all those gunned down yearly, racist police, and gung-ho stuff only strongly emphasises my point.

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Reply #904 – 2015-04-20, 07:28:51

Quote from: rjhowie on 2015-04-19, 05:57:42

Are you telling [God damn it! Learn to type, or learn to read — before you press Send! You're too old to learn to spell, but there are everywhere available adequate computer aides…] me the 200 plus million with guns are in militias?

I'm telling you that free men maintain their rights, and don't shy from explanations.

Someone wiser than you or I said, long ago, something to this effect:
When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is freedom.

There is a middle ground, I'd say: When the government does only what it must, there is American democracy…

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I still haven't figured out what your problem with "America" is… But here's another guess: The siting of GB's nuclear missile bases…?

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Reply #905 – 2015-04-20, 09:20:41

Quote from: OakdaleFTL on 2015-04-20, 19:28:51

.....free men maintain their rights, and don't shy from explanations......

Agreed......

Quote from: rjhowie on 2015-04-19, 13:57:42

.....I think that jimbro was totally right in what he said about the matter of militias. Are you teliing me the 200 plus million with guns are in militias?.........

Unfortunately both Jaybro & you RJ are on the losing side of the Militia argument, for both Constitutional & Historical Scholars overwhelming agree that the term Militia meant by the Founding Fathers (original intent of the framers of the Constitution), & the term as defined today, are quite a bit different,

The original interpretation, & intent of those who established the First American Government, reigns over what the left wishes to have Militia mean by today's revised standards.

Because you & they might happen to prefer today's modern definition of Militia, is immaterial.

What you & they might think about what a Militia is, in the same vein, is also immaterial.

[glow=blue,2,300]Original Intent [/glow] (what OUR Founding Fathers who wrote the Constitution meant when they wrote the Constitution) is all important, & sets the standard by which this sacred document must be, & is, interpreted.

The ever present levels of governmental intervention into the lives of American Citizens, contrary to the specific directives of the Constitution's first 10 Amendments (the Bill of Rights -- the Law of the Land) makes it all important that "The People" have the right, as a last resort, to protect their rights by armed resistance.

Without the Second Amendment that wouldn't be possible, & a rogue government, meant solely to serve at the pleasure & will of "The People", could then forcefully & oppressively rule over "The People" without any effective recourse by "The People" to enforce what the founders wanted & authorized for the future of America in OUR Constitution -- The Law of the Land.

Unlike many other governments, in the United States, via the Constitution, ALL POWER TO GOVERN emanates from "The People", as set forth in the Law of the Land, OUR Constitution, & has been that way for over 225 years.

The Second Amendment ensures that this will continue, as it has, into the future & no foreign governments, or United Nations, or any peoples of the world can or will ever change that. The only people on this earth that can change that is the American People through the Constitutional Amendment Process that is spelled out precisely in the Constitution. There is no other way...........................period.

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Reply #906 – 2015-04-21, 01:30:51

You are gun mad over there and not surprising there are so many fiascos over them. That Constitution has been argued over for heavens knows how long and you will do anything to play with your deadly toys. Small wonder there is so much violence and police now acting like soldiers, haha. The National Guard IS your militia. Why have a massive police force a massive military and still hype that bit of 18th century paper as an excuse to be gun nut jobs. Even though head shrinkers are plentiful it has not stopped th place being so damn dangerous.

And there is you so patriotic and mouthing about freedoms, rights and all that guff when you support Irish terrorist madcases. Considering your Irish pals are very staunch Socialists makes you a bit of a hypocrite.

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Reply #907 – 2015-04-21, 02:45:23

Quote from: rjhowie on 2015-04-21, 13:30:51

And there is you so patriotic and mouthing about freedoms, rights and all that guff when you support Irish terrorist madcases. Considering your Irish pals are very staunch Socialists makes you a bit of a hypocrite.

What they do with their freedoms & liberty is for them to enjoy........with every Brit death they've earned it!

My only one small complaint might be is that back in the 80's when I was enlightening my many Gaelic Brethren in the finer aspects of my marksman like talents (which to my pride & joy they accepted with grand desire & learned quite considerably), that one of them didn't find a horribly homely lookin' Scot in his crosshairs one fine day. :sigh:

Then again, we'd all have been cheated out of your daily drool & drivel, as we have all come to cherish & enjoy here in DnD, yes watching you donkey about, had one of the lads found you there.

Quote from: rjhowie on 2015-04-21, 13:30:51

You are gun mad over there and not surprising there are so many fiascos over them. That Constitution has been argued over for heavens knows how long and you will do anything to play with your deadly toys. Small wonder there is so much violence and police now acting like soldiers, haha. The National Guard IS your militia. Why have a massive police force a massive military and still hype that bit of 18th century paper as an excuse to be gun nut jobs. Even though head shrinkers are plentiful it has not stopped th place being so damn dangerous.

We like our mayhem just fine the way it is ....... Our history suits us exquisitely. We're so happy you noticed though, so much so it preoccupies your everyday waking moments!

Stay tuned ole fella, it's going to get much, much better!

BTW......Do you ever sleep with all the

nightmares about our way of life that so preoccupies you?

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Reply #908 – 2015-04-22, 01:27:49

Nah, it will never get better. Jails filled with 2.4 million people, police ever increasingly looking like the military, 10,000 slaughtered by guns every year the place is as far from any principles as I am from the Pope.

Now into 37 pages on this thread which you continued from Opera and that ran into dozens. I know you lot run around like chickens with n heads but this has dragged on long enough. And remember folks this eejit for all his rightist stuff supports Irish Socialist murderers. Trouble is there are too many nut jobs lauding over the ex-colonists who are not very money supplied or being ignored in their own country. Less on gunning, wars, military and more on your own people now that would make it the land of the free and home of the brave. That saying only applies to the cumfy off.

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Reply #909 – 2015-04-22, 01:48:10

I suspect that it would be much less than 37 pages if you removed all your contributions.

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Reply #910 – 2015-04-22, 01:57:44

What contributions? —Oh. You meant posts! Never mind…

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Reply #911 – 2015-04-22, 02:27:34

Should Ordinary Citizens Own, Carry, & Use Firearms? Sometimes only a gun can get the job done right.

"Fed Up" Colorado Man, 38, Busted For Killing His Computer In Cold Blood

"A Colorado man who has been “fighting with his computer for the last several months” unloaded a volley of shots into his Dell tormentor, resulting in the death of the computer and him being cited for discharging a firearm, cops report."

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Reply #912 – 2015-04-22, 02:33:22

Sometimes ya gotta do. Should of took it out to the woods and handled it quietly.

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Reply #913 – 2015-04-22, 05:47:34

For a more entertaining story about the use of a firearm against technology, see October Light by John Gardner.

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Reply #914 – 2015-04-24, 10:00:29

Quote from: jseaton2311 on 2015-04-21, 21:27:34

"Fed Up" Colorado Man, 38, Busted For Killing His Computer In Cold Blood

"A Colorado man who has been “fighting with his computer for the last several months” unloaded a volley of shots into his Dell tormentor, resulting in the death of the computer and him being cited for discharging a firearm, cops report."

Death to all computers!

More good news from D.C.

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A Republican congressman who brought an AR-15 rifle to his Capitol Hill office, did so legally even though it’s illegal for most people to carry a firearm under Washington, D.C.’s strict gun laws, police say.
Last week, Colorado Rep. Ken Buck tweeted a photo of himself and Rep. Trey Gowdy posing with the American-flag-painted assault rifle.

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Reply #915 – 2015-04-25, 02:02:14

Oh heck. A flag painted rifle and what an example of overblown nationalistic stuff. That he gets away with the law tells something.

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Reply #916 – 2015-04-25, 03:07:04

Quote from: rjhowie on 2015-04-24, 18:02:14

That he gets away with the law tells something.

That you don't know what the law is is also telling!

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Reply #917 – 2015-04-25, 14:50:36

You are still proving my long point that you do not get out enough for fresh air.

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Reply #918 – 2015-04-25, 20:36:48

No, RJH-- he only proves that he doesn't subscribe to your opinion of what the law should be. As it happens, neither do I. How much fresh air anybody gets has little if anything to do with it.

About that "fresh air" thingy: Farmers get out in about as much fresh air as a body knows what to do with. Many farmers have guns-- I would bet that most do. If for no other reason than varmint control. That, and if something DOES happen-- you're five miles from the nearest town, the sheriff's police may or may not be in the neighborhood, and--- you just may have to take care of the problem yourself. "Fresh air" cure-all, eh?

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Reply #919 – 2015-04-26, 03:24:31

Quote from: rjhowie on 2015-04-25, 14:50:36

You are still proving my long point that you do not get out enough for fresh air.

Don't be insulting when you believe differently.

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Reply #920 – 2015-04-26, 05:02:45

Quote from: jseaton2311 on 2015-04-25, 19:24:31

Don't be insulting when you believe differently.

Sir! You are confused: Some people are insulting because that is their nature. Whether they were born and bred to it or are merely pursuing a natural bent for which they show some talent, I won't hazard a guess. It wouldn't matter.
Sneering is the Howie continence that most suits his temperament.

He has few other expressions…

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Reply #921 – 2015-04-26, 05:52:05

On another note, has anyone heard the Leftist claptrap about the[glow=blue,2,300] NRA [/glow] hypocritically banning guns at this years planned convention in Tenn.?

It's all over the Internet, so it must be true!

This quote covers those Leftist Bloombergish ~~rumors~~ fibs quite simply .......

[glow=blue,2,300]“A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.” [/glow]

Read here or here.

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Reply #922 – 2015-04-26, 07:24:32

My sources say, this is a "nothing-burgher"… You can't fight the MSM with facts: They don't care about such.
(I didn't look at your links; I didn't need to. And those who would need to won't…)
But don't let me stop you…

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Reply #923 – 2015-04-26, 22:44:56

Now I do have to say mjsmsprt40 that borders on incredibility! Because someone is not handy in a town they can go cowboy. Dear oh dear, what a place to live in. I am afraid you have not grown up yet in the level of sense and reasonability. How come countries stricter on guns can do better on shootings or are there more mental midgets over there?

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Reply #924 – 2015-04-26, 23:05:54

Quote from: rjhowie on 2015-04-26, 22:44:56

Now I do have to say mjsmsprt40 that borders on incredibility! Because someone is not handy in a town they can go cowboy. Dear oh dear, what a place to live in. I am afraid you have not grown up yet in the level of sense and reasonability. How come countries stricter on guns can do better on shootings or are there more mental midgets over there?

Now I know for a fact that your reading and comprehension are beyond abysmal, and your understanding of anything that doesn't fit your pre-conceived notions simply doesn't exist.

I wonder what part of farm living escapes you? 5 miles from town--- that means that the local town constabulary probably doesn't get out there much, and doesn't have jurisdiction if he does get there. That leaves the county sheriff. The county may be 50 miles from one side to the other, and there just aren't that many sheriff's police cruising around. So-- the farmer may have to deal with the problems himself. By the time the police get there, it wouldn't matter anymore. Also-- there's critter control. Nothing beats a 30-06 to get the wolverine that's been raiding your chicken-coop. You want fried chicken and scrambled eggs, gotta kill the wolverine. Farmers have guns for the same reason they have tractors--- they need these tools to run a successful operation.

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