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Really, I am yet to see an argument for homosexuality that would not be an argument against it at the same time. There's nothing to support the concept of same-sex marriage, nothing coherent.

It's your line of argument. I assume it makes sense to you somehow. To me "animal urges" is not in itself something to be deplored (as beneath humans) nor celebrated (as natural, and thus intrinsically commendable).

We are animals, we are talking monkeys, which can explain some of our idiosyncrasies. (Nearly all of them if we were to believe some evolutionary psychologists, who sometimes seem to make it their task to make stories of why we are as we believe we are, scientific theologians in other words, rather than making testable hypotheses.) Some of these idiosyncrasies we do tend to celebrate, like our innate sociability and sense of fairness, other we tend to deplore, like our tendency to gang up on people when afraid.

That we like to partner up in monogamous partnerships (or as more cynical and sharper observers say, serially monogamous partnerships with episodes of cheating) is usually put on the "celebrate" rather than the "deplore" list, but again Buddhist monks would disagree. Some evolutionary psychologists claim that this tendency to pair up has helped our survival, in encouraging division of labour. We wouldn't need to pair up purely for procreational purposes, as living in lifelong pairs is more the exception than the rule.

In a rational world, it would be self-evident that "same-sex marriage" is a logically impossible concept.

Quote from: ersi on 2015-04-08, 13:20:54

Really, I am yet to see an argument for homosexuality that would not be an argument against it at the same time. There's nothing to support the concept of same-sex marriage, nothing coherent.

You can't imagine gay Eric, anymore than you can imagine an end to yourself.  My son, Joshua, is gay and afraid.  He is brilliantly artistic, but because of fools like you and Oakdale, he has a hard time expressing himself in what you call "your world".  How much do you assholes wish to stifle his talents...oh god, please tell me?

I have lost all respect for you Mister Oakdale and not because of this cheap juvenile shot. 

Let's suppose that you are from the planet 'Idiot'

My son, Joshua, is gay and afraid.  He is brilliantly artistic, but because of fools like you and Oakdale, he has a hard time expressing himself in what you call "your world".  All I can tell him is that Josh, this world was  not made for one as beautiful as you.  How much do assholes like you wish to stifle his talent and rights...oh for the love of god, please tell me...somebody please tell me.  Stop being logical and think fer chrissakes.

• We are assuming too much what the reasons are for someone to be homosexual. There are many possibilities.
  In a religious context, where homosexuality is a concern, I have taught that the Bible speaks against homosexuality that is caused by strict rebellion against God (or against whatever is good). There's no sense on believing that it condemns people whose homosexuality wasn't chosen by them because of evil purposes. (This is another discussion: is homosexuality a choice anyway?) I believe that many of them wouldn't have chosen it if they could. So, my advice has been: try to understand, and offer help if someone asks for.


• There's no need to prove why someone is allowed to do some thing. But there should be a good reason for someone to be disallowed any thing.

 
• We are assuming too much what the reasons are for someone to be homosexual.

Oh sounds very principled nut you just need to say you don't agree with them and this tiny bunch go ape. So much for freedom of opinion.

If there's a "your world" for me, there's also a "your world" for you and for Joshua too. Not my problem when you can't deal with it as effectively as I can. It's particularly not my problem when you reject the solutions I have on offer.

You hit the nail well and very truly on the head there Belfrager. Apart from any stance I have on morality that corner seems to have more power than any other minority from 2 or 3% of a population. Now the President of the land of the free wants to ban any medical group that works with anyone not wanting to be queer. I know, I know folks there are some head shrinkers in that part who think they can cure the unfortunates but there are others who do not lean on the poor beggars but try to assist them. But we will get the usual hype from the open-mind selef esteemed who will draw swords if you dare to challenge them. So much for free speech and a 'liberal society.'

If he's afraid, it's because you taught him to be, James; or, at least, failed to teach him how to deal with his fears…

Pretty fucked up story, imho.

But it wasn't so long ago that the DSM listed homosexuality as a (sometimes) treatable malady.

Obviously, the boy's problems went far beyond failing to pay attention in Biology class… You'll admit that?

My son Josh, was yanked away from me in the middle of the night by my alcoholic/prescription-drug addicted wife who stole my car, my bank account and my precious baby son of 9 years old.

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