Re: What's going on in Benelux? Reply #25 – 2015-01-26, 12:17:52 Quote from: ersi on 2015-01-26, 11:27:59Analysing his doublespeak does not make him better. It makes him worse.Quote from: ersi on 2015-01-26, 11:27:59I disproved my point by bringing Austria as an example? At the time the EU was considerably smaller and Austria was counted among the rubble, so if my point was that the fatties bully the tinies (and this indeed was my point), then I proved the point rather than disproved it.That's certainly not an impression I share from my memories of the '90s. I might go as far as to say it was like if Norway or Switzerland joined the EU tomorrow. A very different thing from the inclusion of Greece in the early '80s or the accession of countries from the former Warsaw Pact.Quote from: ersi on 2015-01-26, 11:27:59And yes, our government is lying often enough when saying this, but what have you (EU, Brussels, Benelux) ever done about it to prove that you are not like that? This is the EU reputation we are talking about, you know.That is the moral duty of a free press, which is why freedom of press is important to the EU. The EU also releases promotional materials about the way it functions in every language and its websites are perhaps surprisingly well-made. How do you tell the hog it ate the cabbage? People just swallow these lies and half-truths whole seemingly without applying critical thought or independent inquiry.Quote from: ersi on 2015-01-26, 11:27:59And I repeat, this is not a small matter. Had anybody else talked like Cameron (even for fun or for lying or for "purely internal purposes" like it's sometimes said), there would have been real sanctions. Because the people in the smaller countries feel sanctioned and bullied by the EU often enough while UK is one of the unreined bullies.We smaller countries can form voting blocks. For instance, although this is a slightly different topic, with regard to the Benelux army there are talks of merging our not-yet-merged air forces with Denmark's as well. You should have a nice ally in the Dutch once you convince them that it's a bit megalomaniac and self-defeating to keep acting like the smallest of the large countries as opposed to the largest of the small countries. On the flip side, we have "bullied" (in your vocabulary) the likes of Italy and France in the past for transgressions. But that was before most of Eastern Europe joined.