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Ban beards at the Olympics!

..... A Saudi cleric has proposed this solution to molestation of young girls: they should be required to wear burqas.

While no law or practice in Islam requires that baby girls wear burqas, Sheik Abdulla Daoud suggested that covering the babies in burqas would keep them from being raped. Daoud made the controversial comment on TV last year, stating that babies were being molested in Saudi Arabia.

The video recently surfaced on social media, and elicited shocked and indignant response from fellow Saudis.

“Now the baby victims are blamed for men’s crimes. Allah help us stop the ignorance, stupidity,” tweeted Masleeza Othman ....... continued

An al-Qaeda ‘peace envoy’ in Syria has blown himself up among a rival militant group, killing 16 of them including two commanders, a new report says.

The so-called Syrian Observatory for Human Rights reported on Sunday a militant from al-Qaeda’s Islamic State of Iraq and Levant (ISIL) was sent to a group of rival militants, in al-Raei town in Aleppo, as a ‘peace envoy’ for negotiations.

It was the second time the envoy was sent for talks, but this time he turned out to be a suicide bomber who killed 16 people and wounded 20 others.

The ISIL militants also detonated a car bomb in front of the targeted group’s base as the bomber pulled the trigger on his suicide vest....... continued

Just a few miscreants out of millions of peaceful adherents.

7 percent of the world's Muslims are "political radicals" who believe the 9/11 attacks were completely justified. Yet another 29.6 percent think the 9/11 attacks were partially or in some way justified. This takes the total world-wide percentage of Muslims who think the mass-slaughter of innocent non-Muslim (and some Muslim) civilians on 9/11 was either completely, partially or some way justified, up to 36.6 percent, or almost 4 out of every 10 Muslims.

Speaking about polls - 15% (World Average, 2008) think the U.S. govt. was behind the 9/11 attacks.
That's after all more than one out of ten, worldwide.

........This takes the total world-wide percentage of Muslims who think the mass-slaughter of innocent non-Muslim (and some Muslim) civilians on 9/11 was either completely, partially or some way justified, up to 36.6 percent, or almost 4 out of every 10 Muslims.

That just shows you how many paranoid conspiracy theorists there are running loose in the world.

Some  conspiracy theories [glow=black,2,300]might turn true[/glow] some time.
NSA Conspiracy Theories Turn Out To Be Totally Correct

Whatever, not all conspiracy theorists have to be  paranoid.

those theories are still simply nothing more than theories until bona fide, first hand evidence is presented, & actually proven in a court of law.

I have 5 Muslim friends, and all are quite peaceable, especially my buddy from Pakistan, currently living in the UK.

Quote from: SmileyFaze on 2014-02-05, 23:33:34

those theories are still simply nothing more than theories until bona fide, first hand evidence is presented, & actually proven in a court of law.

Absorutely!

Quote from: Colonel Rebel on 2014-02-06, 01:41:05

I have 5 Muslim friends, and all are quite peaceable, especially my buddy from Pakistan, currently living in the UK.

Watch out sir!
According to jseaton2311, two among of those 5 Muslim friends must be dangerous.

@Josh: Friend, as in you chat with them, visit them at their apartment/flat, enjoy their company from time to time.

But before that, let me stress that I’m not denying that the other factors are important. Certainly the poorer the people are, the more likely they are to get radicalized. It doesn’t help if you starve a ruthless tiger. Undoubtedly democracy and safety and freedom of speech would somehow improve the situation. For sure the history of Western colonialism and the conflict with Israel have worsened the situation. It doesn’t help if you poke the ruthless tiger with an iron blade.

But none of this means that the tiger is not a tiger, that it is actually a poor angry misunderstood kitty. It is wrong to reduce everything to religion. But it is also equally wrong to pretend that religion is not there, and does not contribute to the situation.

I also understand that there are very different readings of Islam. Yes, there were Muslim mystics who were liberal and open minded. There were mystics who praised Satan as God’s greatest worshipper and his holy agent on earth. [However, it’s wrong to assume all mystics and all Sufis were like that]. By all accounts, the Mu’tazilah movement was as rational and as tolerant as one could be in the confines of a religion. Nowadays there are Muslim thinkers like the late Egyptian scholar Nasr Hamed Abou-Zeid or the Iranian philosopher Abdolkarim Soroush who are moderate, liberal, tolerant, and advocate the idea that Koran was not the literal word of Allah.

I know all of that. But I don’t care. Not because I want to only look at the evidence which supports my claim. Because I want to look at all the evidence. Movements and people like this are (1) in the absolute minority and (2) contradict the main spirit of Islam. They are fringe elements.

Certainly the poorer the people are, the more likely they are to get radicalized. It doesn’t help if you starve a ruthless tiger.