The Republic and Democracy 2014-09-16, 09:51:29 in a Republic and democracy State .What will happen if they impeach , Both The President and Vice President ? how they get a President and Vice President , ASAP ?
Re: The Republic and Democracy Reply #1 – 2014-09-16, 12:54:53 Well this is the second time we have had a thread that is in line with another one. In this case democracy and the US.
Re: The Republic and Democracy Reply #2 – 2014-09-16, 13:45:52 some people are just do not liked hijack another people Thread .Out of topic , aka Red herring .
Re: The Republic and Democracy Reply #3 – 2014-09-16, 14:52:41 Quote from: Sparta on 2014-09-16, 04:51:29how they get a President and Vice President , ASAP ?There's a rather elaborate chain of succession that comes from the nuclear threat days. I'm sure there's a book or something, in your own language, you can read if you're so interested in US government & history.
Re: The Republic and Democracy Reply #4 – 2014-09-16, 15:04:28 The U.S is not the only Nation that using Republic and democracy Governmental system .let say , i'm stucked ...cant find the Right book to answer Questions above .and there are some issues like mentioned Above in my mother land .some People trying to make the Elected President to be impeached .
Re: The Republic and Democracy Reply #5 – 2014-09-16, 15:25:36 Wiki can give the basics. If you need any further elaboration I will try to help as needed. Any freshman textbook will have this stuff.
Re: The Republic and Democracy Reply #6 – 2014-09-17, 01:38:13 How in goodness name can this not be a red herring?? it is in the same corner as the other one and if that is not obvious to you then you have a problem. I will let you folk get on with the copy and give this a miss.
Re: The Republic and Democracy Reply #7 – 2014-09-17, 02:05:31 Sir , please ...Republic and Democracy is not always about the U.SAnd Constitutional Monarchy is not always about the U.K spot the difference :Democracy in the U.S ><Impeachment in the Republic and democracy Governmental System .not to mention , impeachment is not always about The Republic and Democracy .
Re: The Republic and Democracy Reply #8 – 2014-09-17, 22:29:09 A neat play on words there Sparta. However I cannot refrain from adding that of course Republic and democracy are not automatic the way the US is run proves it only too well.
Re: The Republic and Democracy Reply #9 – 2014-09-17, 23:06:46 i am afraid the U.S run Republic and democracy well ..Too well , i fear .that's how some Country adobt the U.S Governmental system .Probably including my country , not sure too about that ..allow me to describe that ..it is somehow something like Russian-American Style ..Socialist-Capitalist , Republic-Democracy-Constitutional .With Two Special Provinces , as the Miniatur of Monarchy-Constitutional , and Miniatur of Nation Based on law .
Re: The Republic and Democracy Reply #10 – 2014-09-18, 19:19:07 Well I did say on the previous Opera Forum and here on this one that no less a person than President Eisenhower warned Americans that the corporates were seeking too much power from and over the people and he was a Republican. Sadly the warning was ignored and we see the results.
Re: The Republic and Democracy Reply #11 – 2025-03-08, 17:18:55 Today I learned that a good chunk of North Sea coast was unconquered (or, from the other angle, "unliberated") until 1559. It was a republic of Frisians.Quote from: https://www.worldhistory.org/article/2579/interview-dithmarschen-republic/Located in what is the present-day German province of Schleswig-Holstein, the Dithmarschen Republic (1227-1559) was a republic by commoners who developed quasi-democratic institutions, including their own written constitution. Fiercely independent and freedom-loving, these peasants successfully defended their political independence against the forces of Holstein and the Scandinavian Kalmar Union as the Middle Ages came to a close.Apparently this is not taught in school. I checked with some Dutch, Germans and Danes on IRC.
Re: The Republic and Democracy Reply #12 – 2025-03-10, 20:05:29 I disagree with the people you talked to, unless we are talking extremely specifically about detailed facts relating to "the Dithmarschen Republic (1227-1559)" as opposed to Frisia consisting of a swath of republics, longer in the east than in the west.https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friese_VrijheidQuote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisian_freedomFor most of its history, Frisian self-governance was maintained in East Frisia, between the Weser and Lauwers rivers.[1] Meanwhile, parts of West Frisia periodically fell under the feudal occupation of the County of Holland.[10] During the Friso-Hollandic Wars, the concept of Frisian freedom was used to mobilise armed resistance to feudalisation attempts by the counts of Holland.[11]That is, crudely summarized, general knowledge.The Friso-Hollandic wars are also the subject of one of the most famous historical plays, but that time the Frisians got the upper hand.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gijsbrecht_van_Aemstel_(play)
Re: The Republic and Democracy Reply #13 – 2025-03-10, 20:34:16 Quote from: Frenzie on 2025-03-10, 20:05:29That is, crudely summarized, general knowledge.Re-checked. Unfortunately not common knowledge to them. They went to school in 1970s and 1980s. Either it became common knowledge later or they forgot their school curriculum. (I noticed that I am beginning to forget too.)The Dutchman is familiar with the play though.
Re: The Republic and Democracy Reply #14 – 2025-03-10, 20:59:16 Quote from: ersi on 2025-03-10, 20:34:16Either it became common knowledge later or they forgot their school curriculum.Liever dood dan slaaf[1] is one of those phrases a bit like schild en vriend or alea iacta est, if decidedly less famous than either one of those. For us it's one of the more famous military defeats that are probably a bit less impressive if you think about it too hard,[2] for them it's a source of pride.It was definitely common knowledge in the '50s and '60s. I checked with my parents.1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Warns, https://historiek.net/friezen-herdenken-omstreden-slag-bij-warns-1345/18190/↵2 Also compare the pride we feel for the Battle of Vlaardingen, probably little more than effectively luring the emperor's army into a swamp — not that there's anything wrong with that. Next you'll tell me your correspondents don't know about Holland's founding battle. ↵
Re: The Republic and Democracy Reply #15 – 2025-03-10, 21:06:52 I specifically checked the concept of Frisian freedom. The Dutchman on IRC is not a big fan of humanities and may have forgotten much of his childhood. I remember mine because mine was happy By the way, I found a gorgeous edition of the play https://objects.library.uu.nl/reader/index.php?obj=1874-297393&lan=en
Re: The Republic and Democracy Reply #16 – 2025-03-10, 21:25:09 Quote from: ersi on 2025-03-10, 20:34:16They went to school in 1970s and 1980s.I went to elementary/primary school in the '90s and high/secondary school in the 2000s. They made a not half bad attempt to teach us how to interact critically with primary sources. I'm not sure if or to what extent they did that in decades prior. Though the national half-myth stuff is really more elementary school.And yes, mine was happy too.Quote from: ersi on 2025-03-10, 21:06:52By the way, I found a gorgeous edition of the play https://objects.library.uu.nl/reader/index.php?obj=1874-297393&lan=enYes, I definitely adore this part of living now and not fifty years ago.
Re: The Republic and Democracy Reply #17 – 2025-03-12, 10:09:50 Quote from: Frenzie on 2025-03-10, 13:25:09Yes, I definitely adore this part of living now and not fifty years ago.Aw, it wasn't so bad! [1] I, too remember my childhood as mostly happy. (But that may just be how memory works — for normal people.) I know -from experience with others and their reported memories- that I grew up poor[2] but I had family and relative security.... I seldom went to bed hungry.Cold? I remember having to trudge down to the basement to re-fill oilcans with fuel to heat our apartment before the sun rose... I remember having to cover the holes in the soles of my shoes with cardboard to keep out the snow and slush in winter.But I remember being happy! 1 I wasn't going to post here — but after reviewing some of ersi's posting behavior, I changed my mind: A mere turn of phrase may prompt a reply. Or, in ersi's case, hide his posts from scrutiny... ↵2 But "poor" in the U.S. was -at least when I knew it- only almost "rich"... ↵ Last Edit: 2025-03-12, 10:49:22 by OakdaleFTL
Re: The Republic and Democracy Reply #18 – 2025-03-12, 14:20:11 Quote from: OakdaleFTL on 2025-03-12, 10:09:50Aw, it wasn't so bad!Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy going to the library, but you can't do that at 21:30. And for an old print like that you have to specially request it.
Re: The Republic and Democracy Reply #19 – 2025-03-12, 21:27:33 When my son was researching his Ph. D., he had to cross a continent and an ocean to get to some of his sources — and I didn't find it odd! In some ways, the prevalence of the web has indeed made "us" lazy; and addicted to instant gratification... Both patience and perseverance are learned behaviors.
Re: The Republic and Democracy Reply #20 – 2025-03-13, 15:11:53 Many or perhaps most materials still aren't digitized. But some random edition from 1901 holds no interest unless you're specifically researching editions of Vondel's works. I already have a random edition from 1937 right here in the house if I just want to read the text. To be able to perform a quick breakfast or before sleep investigation into what such editions may have looked like through the years is a marvel. It may have taken weeks even just a couple of decades ago, and was thus effectively impossible for pretty much anyone not a professional scholar[1] or in the leisure class.1 Their main purpose of travel would almost certainly be something more important, but they might do something like that as a side project while they're there.↵
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