Where debating everything under the sun is only the beginning

Most one can say of him is that he is an author. A representative of ecofascism, yes, but he has shown no capability to put his proposed policies into effect or gather a critical mass of followers.

The current and virulent culprit of this genre of apocalyptic ideation is anthropogenic climate change (…what used to be called global warming). I've been called a "denier" and worse: But I've maintained that the various climate models are poor models and that the actual data matters…

I'm not now nor have I ever been in favor of pollution…

There is in every apocalyptic scenario a detestation of humanity. Wouldn't there have to be a self-loathing that precedes the general abhorrence…?

Things can change radically sometimes.. the only thing needed is someone with charisma to appear.

I hesitate to respond here… The current and virulent culprit of this genre of apocalyptic ideation is anthropogenic climate change (…what used to be called global warming).

Extremist ecology goes way beyond just climatic changes. It promises happiness in earth through a return to the origins. It's political, philosophical, environmental, social and even religious. Ecofascim adds one more component, it's violent.

Appreciation and idolisation of nature goes back a long while, we can take Walden (1854) as an example. This is not fascism, eco- or otherwise.

That gives us the formula: If problem then population control. Depending on where you're standing the population to be controlled could be Jews, or Mexicans, poor and unhealthy people, people using a lot of resources, or everyone. Now we are getting into worrisome territory. It may or may not be fascism yet, but we are getting there. Moving from wishful thinking to a system of action or government along sufficiently fascist lines is what it takes.

If the present amount of Earths population is preserved and is reduced only by the means of birth control, then:

Birthgiving must be licenced. To enhance population quality, genetically or socially unfit homes will be denied offspring, so that several birth licences can be allowed to families of quality.

Energy production must be drastically reduced. Electricity is allowed only for the most necessary lighting and communications.

Food: Hunting must be made more efficient. Human diet will include rats and invertebrate animals. Agriculture moves to small un-mechanized units. All human manure is used as fertilizer.

Traffic is mostly done with bicycles and rowing boats. Private cars are confiscated. Long-distance travel is done with sparse mass transport. Trees will be planted on most roads.

Foreign affairs: All mass immigration and most of import-export trade must stop. Cross-border travel is allowed only for small numbers of diplomats and correspondents.

Business will mostly end. Manufacture is allowed only for well argumented needs. All major manufacturing capacity is state owned. Products will be durable and last for generations.

Science and schooling: Education will concentrate on practical skills. All competition is rooted out. Technological research is reduced to extreme minimum. But every child will learn how to clean a fish in a way that only the big shiny bones are left over."

Although Finnish activist Pentti Linkola does not endorse fascism per se, he has expressed admiration for the German National Socialist regime for its efficiency in killing large numbers of human beings in a short period of time, describing the massacres of the Holocaust and Stalin's Great Purge as "massive thinning operations."

He seems like most webloggers, thinking that because he can post his revolutionary ideas he has the power to change the world. And just like most webloggers, irrelevant.

Fascism itself is lost somewhere?

Quote from: rjhowie on 2014-07-30, 22:48:12

Fascism itself is lost somewhere?

The word is so overused that the meaning is lost...........

Fascism itself is lost somewhere?

It's obvious that "ecofascim" has nothing of fascism but everything of Nazism. The usual confusion that goes on the Anglo-Saxon mind.

How about Franco and Salazar? What if they had had a more focused environmental agenda, so that history would have an example of good ecofascism?

And when you ended your hesitation you decided to go off on a tangent? We surely have treads on climate change, and ecofascism, if we agree on that term, predates these concerns.

I relate them to the current bugaboo, Antrhropogenic Climate Change,

Quite possibly the most important thing to communicate about climate change is that there is a 97% consensus amongst the scientific experts and scientific research that humans are causing global warming.