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Since the extreme right and left trust everything from Russia and nothing from their own government that is a real concern.

Quote from: jax on 2016-11-23, 08:31:29

Since the extreme right and left trust everything from Russia and nothing from their own government that is a real concern.

IMHO, there is an even bigger concern.
Western media became a manipulative propaganda tool which most people don't trust anymore for good reasons. This applies not only to Europe but also to the USA.
So it's not only the extreme right and left who don't trust our media but an overhelming majority.

But in Russia, most people are nothing like this. They think their media is the source of all interesting/true information about the world. No question about it.

Quote from: ersi on 2016-11-24, 12:45:44

But in Russia, most people are nothing like this. They think their media is the source of all interesting/true information about the world. No question about it.

Do you seriously believe that? That Russians trust their media?

http://www.gallup.com/poll/195542/americans-trust-mass-media-sinks-new-low.aspx

I seriously doubt most (Western) people don't trust (Western) media. If you mean people like yourself, who have reactively turned to rely on Russian media, we are talking about a fringe minority.

I know common Russians personally, so I don't have to go by belief. Edit: Trust is not the right word. Russians are hopelessly in love with the way Russian TV, radio and newspapers tell them things, and fully dependent on it. Like junkies.

Quote from: ersi on 2016-11-24, 20:45:44

I seriously doubt most (Western) people don't trust (Western) media. If you mean people like yourself, who have reactively turned to rely on Russian media, we are talking about a fringe minority.

You are entitled to doubt as much as you wish.
You are free to assume that I represent the typical average...

BTW,

Quote from: ersi on 2016-11-24, 22:37:14

I know common Russians personally, so I don't have to go by belief. Edit: Trust is not the right word. Russians are hopelessly in love with the way Russian TV, radio and newspapers tell them things, and fully dependent on it. Like junkies.

You may take a look at the image above.
However, your Russophobia stands above any belief.

Quote from: krake on 2016-11-25, 00:00:36

You are entitled to doubt as much as you wish.
You are free to assume that I represent the typical average...

Didn't I say that you (you personally) represent a fringe minority? Yes, I said that. So you're not a typical average of anything. Now I doubt your ability to read.

Didn't I say that trust is not the right word? Yes, I said that. Do junkies trust their drugs? They are dependent on them. Trust is not the right word.

Russians are similar in relation to their media. They need to hear the beautiful tone of their language, they need to see other Russians and feel united with them. And the reporting gets swallowed on the side.

Polls that ask about trust in media are asking the wrong question. That's the wrong word for the general population anyway. Trust in media is a meaningful concept for journalists and politicians for their professional purposes. They are not the general population.

So the general population doesn't watch or read news, according to you at least.

General population doesn't care what their government does or propagate through the media?
Hence according to your 'logic', trust in media is totally irrelavant, the wrong term so to speak.

Quote from: krake on 2016-11-25, 11:21:18

So the general population doesn't watch or read news, according to you at least.

They watch and read, but it has nothing to do with trust.

For you, geopoliticial analysis based on first-hand knowledge of Russia and Russians equals Russophobia.

According to you, one can show or tell them anything, true or false. They'll consume and digest it anyway with their brains switched off, so it has nothing to do with trust.

For me, 'geopolitical analysis based on first-hand knowledge of Russia and Russians' coming from a Russophobe is worthless trash. Period.

…you guys remind me of the wisdom of George Washington when he cautioned our young nation to stay clear of the squabbles of Europe!

And why was that wise? Because it's stupid to lose men, money and time in the squabbles between UK, France and Germany in the overpopulated Europe when there's all that open space and natural resources in the other direction up for grabs. US easily matches UK in colonisation, probably surpasses by now.

Quote from: ersi on 2016-11-26, 00:58:38

And why was that wise? Because it's stupid to lose men, money and time in the squabbles between UK, France and Germany in the overpopulated Europe when there's all that open space and natural resources in the other direction up for grabs. US easily matches UK in colonisation, probably surpasses by now.

Oh? How many colonies do we have?

all those things formerly called "territories" and now annexed, such as Hawaii and Alaska

I try to make allowances for your ignorance ersi on that part of Gt Britain -namely Northern Ireland.  You are obviously in the old way out nationalist tradition (being moderate with you). Ulster made it plain in 1922 it wanted to still be part of Britain and it still does today. What silly drink do you gallon down your silly throat? Efen many in the corner you support are content to be where they are and sods you off.