Putin the Magnificent: Series 2 - Putin's Russia

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Putin the Magnificent: Series 2 - Putin's Russia

2014-05-07, 12:20:27

In Series 1, Putin survived the Russian Constitution rule limiting Presidents to two terms by an adroit disappearance stage left and reappearance from stage right. He is now in the first part of a second two-term Presidency before, presumably, temporarily disappearing stage left again.

We join him at an interesting point in his glorious career as he contemplates acquisitive adventures befitting Soviet Nostalgia, seeking to win friends and influence people. . . . Well 1 out of 2 is not too bad.

What can we look forward to this time?

Re: Putin the Magnificent: Series 2 - Putin's Russia

Reply #25 – 2014-07-05, 12:14:07

Putin's wealth, net worth, etc.

Newsmax.com $40 Billion

Therichest.com $75 Billion

NYTimes.com $40 to $75 Billion

Stanislav Belkovsky $60 to $70 Billion

Putin said that his income in 2013 was $187,000

Wealthwire.com "According to the Russian Central Electoral Commission, McClenaghan reports, Putin has $179,612 in the bank and has earned around half a million dollars in the past four years. His wife Lyudmila has $261,541 in four bank accounts."

I have no idea, and don't care which, if any number, is closest to the truth.
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Which international leader is completely trustworthy?

"US intelligence chiefs have confirmed that the National Security Agency has used a "back door" in surveillance law to perform warrantless searches on Americans’ communications."

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Reply #26 – 2014-07-07, 05:16:03

Quote from: string – on 2014-07-05, 11:09:06

Russian MPs back law on internet data storage
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Russia's lower house of parliament has passed a law requiring internet companies to store Russian citizens' personal data inside the country

.........

Worrying.

Storing Russian citizens' data inside the country?
Something unimaginable to happen in Western countries.

We are lucky for not living in Putin's Russia. In our shiny democracies nobody is storing our personal data (my ISP does but only to keep me safe) and nobody is spying on us. NSA and GCHQ, to name just two of the most famous agencies, are just protecting us from terrorists and pedophile.
So at least we have nothing to worry about here

In NSA-intercepted data, those not targeted far outnumber the foreigners who are

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Reply #27 – 2014-07-07, 21:00:01

One has to take it you are being satiircal dear man as the truth is something else?

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Reply #28 – 2014-07-20, 16:57:13

At the moment Putin the Magnificent seems to find great favour in his Russia; he is autocratic, an admired trait, he can and does stick up for Russia and he is visibly resuscitating, bit by bit, the good old days of the Soviet Empire. Annexing The Crimea makes him a hero. Annexing The eastern shores of Ukraine would make him a super hero.

But he's not that bright, he's put his future in the hands of wild men excited by dreams of a past that no longer exists.

Some may call Putin "The Magnificent", to others he's just Mad Vlad. If only that could get through Russia's muzzled Press to it's people, Putin would be finished. No nation likes their leader to cast their country as a villain, let alone the village idiot. Someone should tell him.

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Reply #29 – 2014-07-21, 00:06:20

Oh you are very wrong there on Putin's intelligence. I have watched him closely at one of those hours long sessions he does in front of media and his knowledge and experience suitably impressive. On a lesser note when he visited a television studio and had questions from staff there he was well versed too.

If Russia likes a strong leader then that is up to them and to quote the old USSR dictatorship is insulting and indeed i am somewhat surprised at you coming away with that one. Comparing the modern Russia with the restricted Red dictatorship is daft. Just comparing day to day things like modern and varied shopping, vast traffic jams compared to the old days when you could almost put the few cars about as Party people. May I also remind that it does not have hundreds of military bases all over the world as an excuse for "security" like you-know who. Likewise the level of poverty in the USA runs into tens of millions, corporates run the place and you have the nerve to lambaste putin?! The Russian federation has moved on in giant strides in every direction and is nothing like the USSR at all and such a comment is not very intelligent but just a parody extension of the propaganda being hyped on that country.

Throwin in Crimea is a silly bandwagon to climb on especially as the place did not want to be inUkraine when Kruschov gave it away and the place is back where it wants to be. Annexation is just another DC nonsense. The same US and West will okay referendums elsewhere even when wrong and when it suits them. Putin has also stated he is not trying to take the East of ukraine and fine you know it and he has repeated this stance in the face of an ignorant West. Certainly a difficult one for him considering that the East is full of his people yet he never at any time said he was going to invade. With all the political immorality of the West it is a bit much to spear at Putin and Russia. In linking as part of the BRICK group he is showing much depth and shrewdness and his trip around South America once the home of all those former dictatorships kept in place by the US of A will bring in time further rewards. Indeed his diplomacy compared to that fool Kerry is like night and day and look at thatcorner if you want scarce intelligence!

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Reply #30 – 2014-07-21, 00:25:58

One thing that keeps bugging me is, whenever the rebels do something that requires a little bit of organization or skill there's HOLY FUCK RUSSIA MUST HAVE TRAINED THE REBEL SCUM!!!!eleventyone!!!!
Didn't it ever occur to anyone that many of them might have served in the ukrainian/russian/soviet military?

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Reply #31 – 2014-07-21, 05:04:17

Quote from: string – on 2014-07-20, 16:57:13

At the moment Putin the Magnificent seems to find great favour in his Russia;

By far not only in his Russia ... How about the BRIC countries?

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Reply #32 – 2014-07-21, 06:28:22

How about them? Do you have information showing that Putin is popular there as an individual? I'd not seen that. I know there are agreements in place, but that's not the same thing. I like watching football but that does not mean I am a fan of Blatter.

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Reply #33 – 2014-07-21, 06:43:10

Quote from: Macallan – on 2014-07-21, 00:25:58

One thing that keeps bugging me is, whenever the rebels do something that requires a little bit of organization or skill there's HOLY FUCK RUSSIA MUST HAVE TRAINED THE REBEL SCUM!!!!eleventyone!!!!
Didn't it ever occur to anyone that many of them might have served in the ukrainian/russian/soviet military?

Yes, there is a bit of that and I agree that in general such training would have come from experiences in both Russia and Ukraine. However there are thought to be Russian advisors helping the rebel ranks. Training
in use of the rockets would be specialist and we will have to wait to find out, if we ever do, who was trained where. So far there are intelligence reports that the missiles themselves were from Russia.

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Reply #34 – 2014-07-21, 07:32:23

Quote from: string – on 2014-07-20, 16:57:13

At the moment Putin the Magnificent seems to find great favour in his Russia;
snip

Not to mention Scotland

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Reply #35 – 2014-07-21, 09:44:23

It look like someone has taken Putin aside and shouted in his ear, this announcement is of an entirely different character than the one before. The first sentence in that clip is interesting - I wonder what he's getting at there.

But his future actions are more important than one short speech.

Re: Putin the Magnificent: Series 2 - Putin's Russia

Reply #36 – 2014-07-21, 09:56:01

Quote from: rjhowie – on 2014-07-21, 00:06:20

Oh you are very wrong there on Putin's intelligence. I have watched him closely at one of those hours long sessions he does in front of media and his knowledge and experience suitably impressive. On a lesser note when he visited a television studio and had questions from staff there he was well versed too.

If Russia likes a strong leader then that is up to them and to quote the old USSR dictatorship is insulting and indeed i am somewhat surprised at you coming away with that one. Comparing the modern Russia with the restricted Red dictatorship is daft. Just comparing day to day things like modern and varied shopping, vast traffic jams compared to the old days when you could almost put the few cars about as Party people. May I also remind that it does not have hundreds of military bases all over the world as an excuse for "security" like you-know who. Likewise the level of poverty in the USA runs into tens of millions, corporates run the place and you have the nerve to lambaste putin?! The Russian federation has moved on in giant strides in every direction and is nothing like the USSR at all and such a comment is not very intelligent but just a parody extension of the propaganda being hyped on that country.

Throwin in Crimea is a silly bandwagon to climb on especially as the place did not want to be inUkraine when Kruschov gave it away and the place is back where it wants to be. Annexation is just another DC nonsense. The same US and West will okay referendums elsewhere even when wrong and when it suits them. Putin has also stated he is not trying to take the East of ukraine and fine you know it and he has repeated this stance in the face of an ignorant West. Certainly a difficult one for him considering that the East is full of his people yet he never at any time said he was going to invade. With all the political immorality of the West it is a bit much to spear at Putin and Russia. In linking as part of the BRICK group he is showing much depth and shrewdness and his trip around South America once the home of all those former dictatorships kept in place by the US of A will bring in time further rewards. Indeed his diplomacy compared to that fool Kerry is like night and day and look at thatcorner if you want scarce intelligence!

The ability to blather on for a long time, whether it be spoken or written, does not prevent the person involved from committing idiotic acts.

There is no doubt that Putin has been in charge in Russia at a time when regressive changes such as curtailment of the freedom of the press have taken place.

If you had actually read what I wrote you would see the reference to the Crimea as part of the background to why he is popular in Russia. Am I to take it that you actually agree with the Russian action on that one?

If Putin was even remotely bright he could extricate himself to some extent now. Potential arguments are there, blaming undisciplined rebels, faulty equipment, talking about defensive measures and so on. Let's see what, if anything, he comes up with. Continual denial is not going to help him one bit.

The Russian people are not stupid, they can browse and talk.

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Reply #37 – 2014-07-21, 10:37:57

Quote from: string – on 2014-07-21, 06:28:22

How about them? Do you have information showing that Putin is popular there as an individual? I'd not seen that. I know there are agreements in place, but that's not the same thing. I like watching football but that does not mean I am a fan of Blatter.

Of course it doesn't. Neither am I (at least something we can agree on

).
The difference is that we didn't vote for Blatter but those people (maybe excepting China) have got the vote of their people.

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Reply #38 – 2014-07-21, 11:03:49

Quote from: string – on 2014-07-21, 09:56:01

If Putin was even remotely bright he could extricate himself to some extent now. Potential arguments are there, blaming undisciplined rebels, ...

Blaming undisciplined rebels?
Wonder how a disciplined rebel looks like.
I assume that a rebel taking orders from Washington or London would fit the criteria of a disciplined rebel.
Sometimes rebels can be unpredictable. Disciplined rebels (freedom fighters) like those fighting the Soviets can turn into undisciplined rebels (terrorists) fighting their liberators.

Quote from: string – on 2014-07-21, 09:56:01

The Russian people are not stupid, they can browse and talk.

That's right but don't expect them therefore to share your views.

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Reply #39 – 2014-07-21, 11:51:05

Quote from: string – on 2014-07-21, 06:43:10

Training in use of the rockets would be specialist and we will have to wait to find out, if we ever do, who was trained where. So far there are intelligence reports that the missiles themselves were from Russia.

IIRC they're soviet era anti-aircraft missiles. I see no reason to assume that the separatists wouldn't have anyone in their ranks who is familiar with them. Then again, they did apparently think they were shooting at a military transporter...

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Reply #40 – 2014-07-21, 12:43:00

Quote from: Macallan – on 2014-07-21, 11:51:05

Quote from: string – on 2014-07-21, 06:43:10

Training in use of the rockets would be specialist and we will have to wait to find out, if we ever do, who was trained where. So far there are intelligence reports that the missiles themselves were from Russia.

IIRC they're soviet era anti-aircraft missiles. I see no reason to assume that the separatists wouldn't have anyone in their ranks who is familiar with them. Then again, they did apparently think they were shooting at a military transporter...

At least a military transport and a commercial aircraft are of similar size and shape. I have to admit that reading the story of the American warship shooting down the Iranian Flt 655 has me wondering. If you can't tell the difference between a commercial airliner and an F-14-- what on Earth are you doing at the controls of anti-aircraft missiles?

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Reply #41 – 2014-07-21, 13:40:35

Quote from: string – on 2014-07-21, 06:43:10

Training in use of the rockets would be specialist and we will have to wait to find out, if we ever do, who was trained where. So far there are intelligence reports that the missiles themselves were from Russia.

Wonder if those intelligence reports are similar to those attesting WoMD to Iraq.
BTW, of course they are Soviet era missiles, the same ones the Ukrainian army has deployed in the Donetsk region 2 days before the tragic accident.

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Reply #42 – 2014-07-21, 14:02:07

Quote from: mjmsprt40 – on 2014-07-21, 12:43:00

I have to admit that reading the story of the American warship shooting down the Iranian Flt 655 has me wondering. If you can't tell the difference between a commercial airliner and an F-14-- what on Earth are you doing at the controls of anti-aircraft missiles?

You can't distinguish an airliner from a F-14 on a monitor. Therefore there is a transponder with a code which signalizes that it is a civil plane. You get that unique code from the state you are passing through. I assume that the operators on the American worship did mismatch that code.

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Reply #43 – 2014-07-21, 14:59:32

See, our local little incident made it into int'l press. Steven Seagal dropped from Estonia music festival lineup after outcry
(No, Krake, it was not me who did this to Steven. I never visited nor planned to visit the event where he was scheduled.)

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Reply #44 – 2014-07-21, 15:38:51

Quote from: ersi – on 2014-07-21, 09:59:32

Steven Seagal

Oh wow. He is still alive. And a reality show? (Bet that's full of catchy one-liners. hehe.)

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Reply #45 – 2014-07-21, 16:01:32

And Latvia bans three Russian musicians

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Reply #46 – 2014-07-21, 17:41:52

Too over simplifying an answer at all string. I say this especially with our own intelligence centre and of course no-one can compete with America for not just what it does to it's own citizens but right across the world including leaders of it's own daft allies.

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Reply #47 – 2014-07-21, 18:53:59

When you say "our own", do you mean Russia, DnD, Scotland, G.B.?

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Reply #48 – 2014-07-21, 19:32:34

Quote from: tt92 – on 2014-07-21, 18:53:59

When you say "our own", do you mean Russia, DnD, Scotland, G.B.?

Her Majesty's very own spy networks, of course. If you've been following the Snowden stuff you know that the NSA is in bed with the UK equivalent, and they're probably spying on each other too-- given what their jobs actually are.

They carefully skirt the law in this way-- since the NSA can't legally spy on Americans, the UK does it for them, and of course the NSA spies on British citizens and turns that info over to their UK allies.

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Reply #49 – 2014-07-21, 23:13:42

Try reading what I said tt92. I mentioned not just one country but in your haste you obviously missed the obvious. And you act like a routine ex-colonists attitude actually by including Scotland in your pointless comment as we are NOT an independent nation.