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Re: Putin the Magnificent: Series 2 - Putin's Russia

Reply #325
Firstly. That is obviously a Yank. We don't have "diapers" in Britain we have "nappies."

It's obviously not a Brit who captioned the picture. It might be a real Scot. ;)

Re: Putin the Magnificent: Series 2 - Putin's Russia

Reply #326
Nah. Has to be a Yank they always go over the top with stuff. Naapies would be good for them in case they get shouted at, cry and have an accident.

Meanwhile on all the rubbish from the land of hypocrisy on Russia and the so-called principled sanctions.

http://russia-insider.com/en/business/us-sanctions-saber-rattling-doesnt-stop-us-importing-russian-petroleum/ri6590?utm_source=Russia+Insider+Daily+Headlines&utm_campaign=800b47481b-Russia_Insider_Daily_Headlines11_21_2014&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_c626db089c-800b47481b-224947493&ct=t(Russia_Insider_Daily_Headlines11_21_2014
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Re: Putin the Magnificent: Series 2 - Putin's Russia

Reply #327
Vladimir Putin, wanting to get on the good side of voters, goes to visit a school in  Moscow to have a chat with the kids. He talks to them about how  Russia is a powerful nation and how he wants the best for the people.

At the end of the talk, there is a section for questions. Little Sasha puts her hand up and says "I have two questions. Why did the Russians take  Crimea ? And why are we sending troops to  Ukraine ?"

Putin says "Good questions..." But just as he is about to answer, the bell goes, and the kids go to lunch.

When they come back, they sit back down and there is room for some more questions, another girl, Misha, puts her hand up and says "I have four questions.

My Questions are - Why did the Russians invade  Crimea ? Why are we sending troops to  Ukraine ? Why did the bell go 20 minutes early? And where is Sasha?"

Re: Putin the Magnificent: Series 2 - Putin's Russia

Reply #328
Good joke <pedant>, but Sasha (short for Alexander) and Misha (short for Michael) are usually boys' names, not girls' names</pedant>. Of course in gender-confused Russia you might not know.

Re: Putin the Magnificent: Series 2 - Putin's Russia

Reply #329
Yeah a good joke but pointless as the truth is that Putin is far more popular than most of our leaders are. The usual ant-Russian propaganda started off by an un-bias and middle of the road America ( :D) hits out at gender stuff yet the totally ignore all the pals in the Muslim world like their closes bosom ones in that tyrannical Saudi Arabia. So can we now here the Islam world included? Unlike the Islamic places, Russia does allow queer clubs but does not permit a pushing agenda and fair enough . Try starting a queer club in Muslim land and see what happens. The great would-be open minds in the West went bananas over the arrests, etc of that Pussy Riot headaches. So if they had done that stuff in Westminster Abbey, the cathedral in Washington DC or St Peter's in Rome that would have been okay?

It is also ludicrous for the great hypocrisy land to make allegations that Russia wants to dominate. Now that really is sadly laughable coming from the ex-colonies who have been in the business of creating wars, destroying those they don't like and world domination. The US created and led this Kiev bunch of rat bags which also includes Nazis in the government. It was also in western Ukraine that for some time there have been annual commemorations in memory of Ukrainian Nazis from WW2 and indeed the Ukraine Insurgent Army which was totally under Nazi control. Crimea was totally right in wanting back where they felt they belonged having been dumped where it was by a dictator decades ago. Now through the inside-out activity by the Kiev bunch that part of the east of Ukraine will also be lost forever due to the way that was totally mishandled and civilians well included the offensive.

Add to this the stupid attitude of the West leaders who turned down the annual invitation to the Moscow remembering parade of the Patriotic War. Russia lost vast numbers but stayed in the war and we on the Allies side would never have had the success we got but for the 2 fronts. I will at least give the German Chancellor her due for going over on the day after to the more informal gatherings. Good to see that President Putin joined the hundreds of thousands of ordinary folk carrying pictures of family killed. He had a picture of his father. Whether a lot here like it or not Russia will not be dominated by the usual guilty party hence all the guff we get and the media hype never mind the political tripe.
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Re: Putin the Magnificent: Series 2 - Putin's Russia

Reply #330

Yeah a good joke but pointless as the truth is that Putin is far more popular than most of our leaders are.

You don't understand Putin's popularity any more than do the rest of us. Obama's and Cameron's popularity are measured in countries where there are open presses where events can be openly discussed.
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Putin’s popularity has been achieved in an information vacuum. An informal set of censorship rules, actively enforced by the Kremlin, makes it virtually impossible to discuss important issues and question official actions through the mass media. Today, independent voices rarely reach into Russian living rooms over the airwaves. In recent months, the government has tightened its noose, pressuring even outlets serving niche audiences, such as the news Web site Lenta.ru, the newspaper Vedomosti and the Moscow station TV Rain. Meanwhile, feverish state propaganda feeds Russian television audiences an unchallenged and delusive flow of information designed to show the country’s leaders in the most positive light while blaming problems on “fascists,” “foreign agents” and “fifth columns.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/how-russia-props-up-putin-in-the-polls/2015/01/30/0302bea8-a59e-11e4-a7c2-03d37af98440_story.html

Furthermore, consider such things as...
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Sergei Reznik, a journalist and blogger based in the southern city of Rostov-on-Don who has been held since November 2013, was due to have been released in May on completing an 18-month sentence, but a court increased his sentence to three years in prison at the prosecution’s request at the end of a new trial yesterday. This means he will not be released for another 21 months.

http://en.rsf.org/russia-jailed-journalist-given-another-23-01-2015,47534.html

Re: Putin the Magnificent: Series 2 - Putin's Russia

Reply #331
No you are wrong with that matter of me not understanding Putin's popularity more than the rest of you. Your comment is based on a very in your face bigotry and repeatedly here you have simply been part of the political leader class led by the US in being anti-Russian.

When the USSR regime collapsed your country thought it would be able to do as it does wleswhere and get in there but badly misjudged the people in Russia as it is a completely different tradtion. Your leadrs do not like those nations it cannot control, bribe or win a military thing against. Here on these forums you have shown a determined and near bling antagonism and used anything to slag off Russia. Coming from a country that has a dodgy internal record on misuse of law, freedoms, internal spying and worse you have no moral basis at all. You will also desperately hold on to any occasional matters to try and justify your anti-Russia view and is if i am being reasonable a barely controlled mania. Like any country there are always those for anad against political leaders but that Putin DOES have the overwhelming support of 80% of the people is totally ignored or side stepped and you are putting yourself into the political and media nonsense brigade.

If your own country was better run internally and was not a world controlling freakery and military imperialist you could have a better corner. Putin at the same time has still tried to have a sensible dealing with the West but nope the West cannot control that country like it does with others so all hell is let loose. Russians are proud of their country and don't feel very happy about the 2-faced attitude of the West. And as I said a wee while ago that he has that 80% backing is a galling frustration from the mind controllers in the White House and Pentagaon. You will not "win" against putin and on a broader basis not on military matters eeither so get used to it!
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Re: Putin the Magnificent: Series 2 - Putin's Russia

Reply #332
Ah, unrequited infatuation.
Love is indeed blind. How sad.

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Reply #333
Some early photos of our hero.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/10/young-putin-photos_n_7252370.html?cps=gravity_2425_5958329597661092655
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Rj, it's hard to counter anything that you have to say about Putin other than to point out that you  think that you have knowledge about him that nobody else has. The same is true about your view of the US. You show signs of being an old Russian apparatchik and Putin toady.

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MOSCOW — Russia showed off new machines of war, including a highly sophisticated tank, on Saturday in the annual Victory Day military parade through Red Square that marks the surrender of Nazi Germany and the Red Army’s key role in the defeat.

The Armata tank drew a strong round of applause as it rumbled through the square. Also on view for the first time at the parade was a lumbering RS-24 Yars ICBM launcher, along with several new, smaller vehicles.



Re: Putin the Magnificent: Series 2 - Putin's Russia

Reply #336
Yep. A born leader and maybe one day you might get one but you had better be overly patient!   :)
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Reply #337
Swedish peace activists deploy 'gay sailor' to deter Russian submarines

[video]https://youtu.be/KCvQGFzZuWA[/video]

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The unlikely sounding device is the brainchild of the Swedish Peace and Arbitration Society, which describes itself as the world's oldest peace organization.

In an effort to combat military aggression and homophobia in one fell swoop, it's created the "subsurface sonar system" to greet any Russian submariners who might find themselves lost in Swedish waters.

The animated neon sign shows a man wearing only a sailor's hat and white underpants thrusting his hips, with little love hearts flashing. It bears the message: "Welcome to Sweden" in both Russian and English, with the text "Gay since 1944" -- a reference to the year that Sweden legalized homosexuality -- added in English.

A Morse code message simultaneously calls out: "This way if you are gay."

The headline-grabbing move is a response to the Swedish government's stepped-up military efforts after a suspected Russian submarine incursion into Swedish waters last year.

The Swedish military carried out an intense sweep of the waters off Stockholm but later said it was not able to confirm the nationality of the intruding submarine.

Last month, the government proposed a defense bill that would see military spending grow by 11% over the next five years -- the first such increase in more than two decades. The additional spending would allow "additional reinforcement of anti-submarine warfare capability," among other measures, it said.

The activists' move is also a comment on Russia's perceived homophobia, centered on its "gay propaganda" law, which makes it illegal to tell children about gay equality. The law, passed in 2013, has been widely criticized not only by lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender advocates but also by Western leaders, who have called it archaic and discriminatory.

In a statement, the Swedish Peace and Arbitration Society invited any submarine crew -- Swedish or foreign -- that picked up the message to join them at Stockholm's Gay Pride parade in August.

"In times of unrest, love and peace across boundaries is more important than ever. We want to break up with the violence," said Daniel Holking, the society's communications and fundraising manager.

"If military actions and weapons had functioned as conflict-resolution methods there would be peace in the world a long time ago," added Anna Ek, the group's president.


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Reply #339
CNN said 'Last month, the government [of Sweden] proposed a defense bill that would see military spending grow by 11% over the next five years -- the first such increase in more than two decades. The additional spending would allow "additional reinforcement of anti-submarine warfare capability," among other measures, it said.'
An 11% increase — for one submarine sighting? Heavens: What if Sweden actually had enemies? :)
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Re: Putin the Magnificent: Series 2 - Putin's Russia

Reply #340
That will certainly make the Russians think twice! Unless it was an American sub...or an Iranian sub.

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Reply #341

An 11% increase — for one submarine sighting? Heavens: What if Sweden actually had enemies? :)


For all his admirable qualities, you shouldn't rely on rjhowie for foreign affairs intelligence, it comes with some limitations. There has been far more than one sub sighting in Sweden. I for one am sure the sea gulls flying off the Södertälje Canal yesterday were espying some nameless submerged threat.

Russia is not an existential threat to Sweden (or Norway), the country is protected by a cloud of mutual thermonuclear destruction, which admittedly would be an existential threat. Even without it the odds would be stacked against an Russian invasion, even the Soviet Union in the good old days. Likewise invading Russia is not a cunning plan.

This is not merely existential, this is political. The long-term goal of the Swedish Kingdom has been to control the Baltic Sea (also known as the Eastern or Western Sea, depending on which side of the pond you are), though there has admittedly been a few setbacks the last couple centuries. The EU might frown upon an invasion of Poland, the question is if Sweden should be able to actively defend the Baltic States, and defending the Baltic States is necessary, but not sufficient, to defend Ukraine. Currently Sweden wouldn't be able to defend Sweden, if pressed.

A change of doctrine and new toys would be expensive. Here there is a disadvantage of being small countries, these toys would take up a sizeable part of a smaller budget, and these are essentially political toys, not defence toys. Same goes in Norway. The investment in e.g. F35s would do little, or currently nothing, for the defence of the country, but has some political value.

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Reply #342
A change of doctrine and new toys would be expensive. Here there is a disadvantage of being small countries, these toys would take up a sizeable part of a smaller budget, and these are essentially political toys, not defence toys.

Nope. Every time you see some news saying that those toys are going to cost a fortune you can be sure that's half of the truth. The other half is that you get your money back by way of parallel contracts as a condition to buy it.

I buy a German submarine if and only if, in return, they buy me shoes or whatever I can deliver (usually investment counterpart contracts, not goods).
You just see the submarine cost in the news simply because the other contract is where I'll get my corruption fees from. Clear now? :)
A matter of attitude.


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Reply #344

Likewise invading Russia is not a cunning plan.

Hitler learned that lesson too late.


So did Napoleon. Tragic thing is, Hitler might have learned from history if he had chosen to. The same things that got Napoleon's armies helped destroy Hitler's armies--- the Russian winter, and a British adversary that wouldn't stop fighting on the other side.
What would happen if a large asteroid slammed into the Earth?
According to several tests involving a watermelon and a large hammer, it would be really bad!

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Reply #345


So did Napoleon. Tragic thing is, Hitler might have learned from history if he had chosen to. The same things that got Napoleon's armies helped destroy Hitler's armies--- the Russian winter, and a British adversary that wouldn't stop fighting on the other side.
I wouldn't call it tragic. Had Hitler learned from history he would not have invaded Russia.

If Hitler did not have the losses incurred in Russia and the diversion of military resources needed to fight the Russians the Sicily/Italian campaign would have failed and D-Day would not have been attempted.

The Nazi regime would have lasted until use of nuclear weapons by the US. Considering the Nazi leadership it would have taken a lot more than two cities before surrender.

Re: Putin the Magnificent: Series 2 - Putin's Russia

Reply #346
The German high command had learned from history, they were not stupid, even though they had to suffer the Führer as a back-seat driver. Things didn't exactly go according to plan though. Had the Nazis won somehow, that would have been a great disturbance in the Force indeed. What the Nazis did to the Jews Hitler had planned for the Russians. Now, Napoleon might have benefited from a history lesson, but that's another history.

Most of Russia's neighbours have fought Russia at one point or another, the only exception I can think of are Norway (having had Sweden as a common enemy for most of the time) and North Korea.  But for all this rousing fighting talk this is not where it is at. Russia is no military match to NATO (if the US started to develop an interest in potted plants instead the balance would change, but would still not be in Russia's favour), but the issue is the buffer states.

Should they grow fat, smug, and content in the warm embrace of the EU, reaching from Finland to Scotland to Portugal, or be doomed to a gloomy, miserable and perpetually corrupt existence on Russia's doorstep? And why shouldn't Russia too smilingly welcome EU's outstretched arms?


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Reply #347

And why shouldn't Russia too smilingly welcome EU's outstretched arms?


Don't misunderstand this post as implying an anti EU stance on my part, but I doubt if Russia's leaders would be comfortable with submerging it's sovereignty in the EU. They would have to swallow so many limits on their freedom of action and the people at large would have to swallow the concept that Russia could not rule its own roost any more.

Maybe in years to come?      Many many many years perhaps.

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Reply #348
At the new geo-strategy, EU is by far the weakest part. In fact, Europe it's the objective of all the others.
Kind of final countdown, the only way out is being able to put others to fight amongst themselves, that will retard things a little more.

At this perspective, Russia's neighboring countries can have also an important role. Germany tried to do it with Ukrania with disastrous results.
A matter of attitude.

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Reply #349
Interestingly the USA is becoming a dance expert regarding Russia. We have all the seen the nationalist US rhetoric of Kerry verbally attacking Russia. On a minor note he and the Russian Foreign Minister do get on personally but there is a very subtle change that many ex-colonists have not realised due to easy braining by the media, etc

I say this because Kerry spent 4 hours with President Putin who cleverly does not subscribe toi the silly rhetoric stance of Obama or Kerry. But Kerry has realised that the sanctions on Russia will not buckle knees or be giving into American imperialism. Indeed the bear has been gradually r-balancing trade with elsewhere including China, India, etc. The US knows this and is also aware that they cannot get the Russian knee bowed trade-wise nor militarily hence the slightly different dance steps. And in furtherance note this. Kerry has also broke ranks from his puppet he controlled i Kiev the Ukrainian President b y condemning that clowns' arrogance and rubbish about how Kiev would tame the East provinces, etc, etc. Now the buffoon is being advised by the Secretary of State to back off and quieten down so the stance on Russia has to cnange but it has taken an awful long time for the White House to use common sense.
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