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Reply #975
So, you don't really believe in democracy — only the right people having rights and the vote… :) How very white of you!
(Please, the rest of you, don't get your panties in a twist at the phrase — we all know what it means, and where it came from.)
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Reply #977
Yes, but it's been known for some time that the GOP faced a demographic timebomb. They're gradually making it impossible for themselves to win the presidency with their policies. What's saving them for now is the low voter turnout by Hispanics:

“What kind of man would put a known criminal in charge of a major branch of government? Apart from, say, the average voter.”
― Terry Pratchett, Going Postal

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Reply #978
Yup! I agree, Sang: We're on our way to becoming a third world country… (I take it, you think that's a good thing?)
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Reply #979
The Drumpf went 5/5 tonight. He has essentially crushed the Lipless Canadian's chance of the nomination, and of course, that tag-along Ohio Governor.

Billary went 4/5, only dropping Rhode Island to Comrade Bernie.

Drumpf v Billary it is then.

FSM save us all.

 

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Reply #980
Yup, the Trump has 950 delegates of 1,237 needed to win and Billarly has 2141 (counting delegates and super delegates) out of 2383 needed to win. So the primary is pretty over in practice. At least it will be amusing watching the GOP call a Wall Street capitalist a socialist until November (and beyond when she crushes Trump in the electoral college vote.)

Here's a map of the expected outcome Yup, a Billary landslide by 138 electoral votes. You could say that this early it's hard to say this, but the map looks about right. I'd maybe North Carolina and Iowa could actually go Trump in the general election, but that won't be enough to tip the results in his favor. But I'd also argue the Colorado will go Billary. Even questioning three states, we're looking at Billary the 2nd. It looks like the only GOPer that could have won is Rubio , but he didn't appeal the the out of touch Republican base enough.
“What kind of man would put a known criminal in charge of a major branch of government? Apart from, say, the average voter.”
― Terry Pratchett, Going Postal

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Reply #981
Cultural geography is a topic that draws my attention. This article turned into more party political stratification, still worth reading, and relevant here: How the Other Fifth Lives

Quote from: NYT
In other words, Democrats are now competitive among the top 20 percent. This has changed the economic make-up of the Democratic Party and is certain to intensify tensions between the traditional downscale wing and the emergent upscale wing.

The Republican Party in 2016 is an example of what can happen when the dominant wing fails to address the concerns of the majority. The rebellion against the Republican establishment is on the verge of producing the nomination of a man who is anathema to the majority of elected officials and party activists, a candidate with the potential to drag the party into minority status for years to come.

The “truly advantaged” wing of the Democratic Party – a phrase coined in this newspaper by Robert Sampson, a sociologist at Harvard – has provided the Democratic Party with crucial margins of victory where its candidates have prevailed. These upscale Democrats have helped fill the gap left by the departure of white working class voters to the Republican Party.

At the same time, the priorities of the truly advantaged wing — voters with annual incomes in the top quintile, who now make up an estimated 26 percent of the Democratic general election vote — are focused on social and environmental issues: the protection and advancement of women’s rights, reproductive rights, gay and transgender rights and climate change, and less on redistributive economic issues. [...]

“Morally, I am a Democrat,” one of the participants commented, “but my wallet says I am a Republican.”

A Democrat whose wallet tells him he is a Republican is unlikely be an strong ally of less well-off Democrats in pressing for tax hikes on the rich, increased spending on the safety net or a much higher minimum wage.

Bernie Sanders has tried to capitalize on this built-in tension within the Democratic primary electorate, but Hillary Clinton has so far been able to skate over intraparty conflicts. In the New York primary, for example, she did better among voters making $100,000 or more than among the less affluent, while simultaneously carrying African Americans and moderate Democrats of all races by decisive margins.

For years, Grover Norquist, a leader of the anti-tax movement, boasted that the right has built a rock-solid “leave us alone coalition,” only to see Trump crack it wide open this year.

Bernie Sanders is unlikely to do the same to the center-left coalition. His support is heavily concentrated among young, well-educated, white, very liberal, independent voters and it is not broad enough to defeat Clinton, as Tuesday’s primary results continued to demonstrate.

Anticipating this development, Tad Devine, a top adviser to Sanders, said on Saturday, “If we think we have to, you know, take a different way or re-evaluate, you know, we’ll do it then.”

Sanders’s extraordinary performance to date, however, points to the vulnerability of a liberal alliance in which the economic interests of those on the top — often empowered to make policy — diverge ever more sharply from those in the middle and on the bottom.

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Reply #982
It is no credit to the millions of decent and intelligent Americans that the race is between two clowns - Trump and Clinton. She wil win and the country will have a historical liar, cheat and arrogant female who is as much prt of thje corporate corner as the Republican jokes.

Now that picture general is an outstanding one and a man of good mind, leadership and respect. Yee-haw.
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Reply #983
It is no credit to the millions of decent and intelligent Americans that the race is between two clowns - Trump and Clinton. She wil win and the country will have a historical liar, cheat and arrogant female who is as much prt of thje corporate corner as the Republican jokes.

Now that picture general is an outstanding one and a man of good mind, leadership and respect. Yee-haw.
I particularly like that quote of his in the signature, personally. :D

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Reply #984
Former Speaker of the United States House of Representatives on Ted Cuz. “Lucifer in the flesh,” the former Speaker said. “I have Democrat friends and Republican friends. I get along with almost everyone, but I have never worked with a more miserable son of a bitch in my life.” source
“What kind of man would put a known criminal in charge of a major branch of government? Apart from, say, the average voter.”
― Terry Pratchett, Going Postal

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Reply #985
Sad, sad process. I am going to drift to history and try and get a CSA battle flag for the flagpole I am getting (supplied with the GB Union jack of course). Then i can celebrate the Fort Sumpter anniversary and an imperial flag I have for the massacre of the Romanovs by the scumbags.

Mind you I still do feel for modern ex-colonists stuck with such a damn system where the two giant corporate parties are the bosses and the ordinary folk with fund no help no matter whether it is a Democrat or republican who wins. As I have said Mrs Arrogant will be in the White House and frustrate the ordinary people still. Sad really.
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Reply #986
Former Speaker of the United States House of Representatives […]
Quote from: wiki
As Speaker, he was still the leader of the House Republicans. However, by tradition, he normally did not take part in debate, although he had the right to do so, and almost never voted from the floor. He was not a member of any House committees during his Speakership.
He was all about tradition! (So are you: Alinsky's Rules…) Boehner was the most pathetic "leader" of the Republican party in modern history; but you're okay with that, since you were always on the "other" side…

I appreciate that you'd oppose Senator Cruz's candidacy. But your tactics are reprehensible.
I also appreciate that you don't care about such…
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Reply #987
What tactics are those supposed to be and to what end? The primaries leading up to my previous post sealed the fate of Cruz's candidacy. There is no need to engage in anti-Cruz tactics at all. I merely found Boehner's quote amusing and Cruz's inability to get along with or work with anyone approaches legendary status.

"Lucifer" is clearly an exaggeration on Boehner's part. If anybody's Lucifer in this race it's Trump, deceiving his is gullible followers and putting them in his thrall like the anti-Christ.
“What kind of man would put a known criminal in charge of a major branch of government? Apart from, say, the average voter.”
― Terry Pratchett, Going Postal

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Reply #988
There is a very outstanding matter reflecting on this election. Sanders has the lowest income depending on ordinary people sending in donations. Trump being a billionaire can use hos own money but Clinton is up to her ears in corporate dosh. An interesting matter neatly ignored. Everyone will already know my attitude to the system over there but there is yet another rather bad thing in the shadows. It is the matter of people NOT having the vote and this is not a tiny thing as in New York over 120,000 no longer have a vote  the vote and this is happening all over the place. Sometimes it is incompetence by the authorities but there is also some more concerning as this is a terrible thing all over the country. Not a very good advert for democracy is it? Clinton will be in the White House thanks to all that massive corporate money and have her strings pulled.Kind of funny that she is well, guilty!
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Reply #989
There is a very outstanding matter reflecting on this election. Sanders has the lowest income depending on ordinary people sending in donations. Trump being a billionaire can use hos own money but Clinton is up to her ears in corporate dosh. An interesting matter neatly ignored. Everyone will already know my attitude to the system over there but there is yet another rather bad thing in the shadows. It is the matter of people NOT having the vote and this is not a tiny thing as in New York over 120,000 no longer have a vote  the vote and this is happening all over the place. Sometimes it is incompetence by the authorities but there is also some more concerning as this is a terrible thing all over the country. Not a very good advert for democracy is it? Clinton will be in the White House thanks to all that massive corporate money and have her strings pulled.Kind of funny that she is well, guilty!
Fair enough, but let's be fair here; after the Gormless Gordon Brown debacle, the Swine, Cameron, was a shoo-in for your PMship. There was no doubt about it.

Our system is admittedly corrupt, but your lot's is too, admittedly so.

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Reply #990
No it is not like your at all and you slip into the usual ex-colonial nonsense of trying to take someone else in with you instead of just admitting the truth full stop. I do know that you know (!) that Clinton is the main corporate queen.

Our last government was a coalition between the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats. Would never happen in nutjobland. As I well pointed out elsewhere on the forums we have 4 national parties. The Tories and labour the main two and the LibDems have declined but UKIP won the UK Euro Election may I add. The parliament also includes regional parties from  Scotland, Wales, Ulster (hooray). Again this cannot and will not happen in the US of A and you damn well know that too. Our Commons Committees include all of these parties as well so a far wider democracy and the government recently lost a Commons vote on an issue so put that in the proverbial pipe and smoke it. Corporates have totally corrupted your system hence the success of Trump from people fed up with that way things are and in a different direction so many ordinary and especially young Americans supporting Sanders.

So laddie use yer heid and don't let the long standing political hypocroi=isy of your part democracy rule you.  Oh and time you had a damn limit of your string-pullers money control.
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Reply #991
In other words, RJ: The more incoherent government is and the more loosely it's controlled, the better you like it? Because it's "wider" :) That is indeed a good definition of "democracy"… You're welcome to it.
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Reply #992
Our last government was a coalition between the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats.
From what I understand, Liberal Democrats is actually a conservative party. So in the US it would still translate in Republicans and Republicans with a few differences of opinion. I'm not feeling too impressed.
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Reply #993
When it comes to political sense Oakdale you really are brain struck. A system with a far wider representation from the mess yours is in is somehow less democratic? Tell that to those flocking to Trump or Sanders legions.

As for the Liberal Democrat Party here in the home of democracy I musts helpt and say that that party is not a traditional conservative party at all.  Indeed they slumped badly from over 50 MP's to a tiny rump because their followers did not go along wi the party going into a coalition in the last parliament with the Conservatives! Since Victorian times it was simply tyhe Liberal party then a group  of MPs left the left the Labour Party to form the Social Democrats. A while later the SDP then merged with the Liberals to form the Liberal Democrats so there is no way the tradition was conservative.

How Oakdale can claim that 2 giant parties that are controlled by the corporates and big money are part of a wide democracy is puzzling to be polite. More and more Americans have lost out and are publicly saying that what they are stuck with stinks and not people orientated hence my feeling on the restrictiveness. Neither the Democrats nor the Republicans have done much about the hard truth that salaries are strained, poverty is widespread in the tens of millions and the housing losses of people.  In my country the top 1" cover nearly a quarter iof government tax income and the top 10% cover almost half! As the topic is US there is a deep fault and more and more are getting frustrated at the hard truth on money barons running things and the ordinary people frustrated.  So the system is creaking and the corruption over lost voting rights across the nation are frightening.
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Reply #994
A system with a far wider representation from the mess yours is in is somehow less democratic?
No! It's more democratic! And much stupider!
I read your "explanation" of British politics: It seems to me that you're a bunch of little girls. (But, of course, you've never read any psychological studies…) But perhaps not all Britishers feel the same? :)

I certainly don't claim that the Republicans and the Democrats are part of or will ever lead to a "wide" democracy.
In my country the top 1" cover nearly a quarter iof government tax income and the top 10% cover almost half! As the topic is US there is a deep fault and more and more are getting frustrated at the hard truth on money barons running things and the ordinary people frustrated.  So the system is creaking and the corruption over lost voting rights across the nation are frightening.
I assume you mean "1%" but you might just mean one inch.(…who'd expect you to know English measurements?) but one never knows with you!
(Didja measure your wee willie winkie? :) )
What a marvelous tirade, RJ!
 "Lost voting rights?" You, sir, are truly a moron.
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Reply #995
Aw, come on now. That guff about whether the Democrats or republican would lead to wider democracy. No they won't because both are controlled by the money barons as you dashed well know! You insult your own grey cells by mocking us as softy girls as a daft cover up for the hard fact that your "democracy" is NOT as wide as ours and represents more.  It is the old red neck mentality of gibberish about somewhere. else knowing that the truth hurts.  Although 2 different corners the hard fact that Trump and Sanders both have attracted so many of your fellow brainers shows the extant of utter frustration of what passes for a system. Oh and of cours ignore the hundreds of thousands who are not getting a damn vote either. Due to the level of the big buck controllers you need to be with the Democrats and Republicans to get on to the Hill and that is damn pathetic.  On a lower level (so easy over there!) you are a bit immature politically and in general and can be manipulated like wee lassies.

You know that I am too near the truth bt do follow the nutjob mentality so widespread over on the land of the free and home of the brave (if you have money and cry under the flag, snigger, snigger). Yeah by all means enjoy doing that being such a house hermit and not able to mix with normal people - well except when drunk too much! So maybe I should make allowances for that unfortunate state but there are many like you over there so there we are!  :happy:
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Reply #996
Why do you persist in this delusion that Americans want democracy? Especially a "wide" one? :)
[…] of cours[e] ignore the hundreds of thousands who are not getting a damn vote […]
Yes, that "damn vote" thingy! I'll bet your lodge and church allow all comers to "vote"…on all matters! Muslims, communists, IRA members! The more the merrier — you know, "wide"…
Both the Democrat and Republican parties are private associations. You have a problem with that, too? :)

Of course you do! In America. It's just fine for the minions in GB… What harm, eh? :) A few parades a year, football riots; an occasional referendum. No big deal, for a "wide" democracy: Power stays where it always was.
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I assume you're talking about the selection of candidates for the general election? (Or am I giving you too much credit?)
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Reply #999
Before ya know it you're bollocks deep.
Nah. I know what's what! :)
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