The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga

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Reply #525 – 2015-09-12, 04:42:29

Quote from: rjhowie on 2015-09-11, 11:11:44

your way of trying to avoid how much of a laugh your country is in the world.

And yet your country is known for kilts and bagpipes… You're as silly as those who think so!
(Sillier, actually: You think you know something! The Oracle at Delphi would have deemed you the least wise of your kind, had you got off your sheep and asked…

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Reply #526 – 2015-09-12, 17:16:15

p if you wish like a couple of others dear big head but when you keep repeating your pomposity your argument gets weaker ewr all the time. So do stick to it. Considering my long history of public involvement and you lot are hoi-polloi trying to be something on a damn forum tells much too!

And dear Rockwell, oops, meant Oakdale. I have made it abundantly clear on the Opera and this Forum I am neither interested in kilts or bagpipes and prefer a good flute and drum band instead. So you are constantly flogging a dead horse dear man. And anyway there are vast numbers of your compatriots over there in nutjob land Oaky who are fanatics about pipes and kilts. This also includes your SS, sorry meant city police forces that have pipe bands and kilt so maybe you should think more before typing but I really must try and be concerned that you do not get enough fresh air through the grey cells.

As for the thread we all dash well know that the tens of millions of Americans who are suffering in that part democracy will see no change in their damned lives which is terrible. That is yet again something totally ignored here because a little clique wants a nice wee club and to side step the truth. It does not matter a two penny damn whether the Democrats or Republicans win the White House those millions will not have any positive help because both parties are hand in glove with the corporates who really run the country. That they run both Houses on the 'Hill such a situation only emphasises the hypocrisy.

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Reply #527 – 2015-09-12, 17:30:40

Quote from: rjhowie on 2015-09-12, 17:16:15

I have made it abundantly clear on the Opera and this Forum I am neither interested in kilts or bagpipes and prefer a good flute and drum band instead.

Don't you get it? If stereotypes of your to believed, your country would be full kilts, bagpipes, and sheep-shagging, wife-beating drunks. Likewise, the US defies its stereotypes far more then it affirms them.

Who's rockwell?

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Reply #528 – 2015-09-13, 15:47:27

Quote from: Midnight Raccoon on 2015-09-12, 17:30:40

Quote from: rjhowie on 2015-09-12, 17:16:15
I have made it abundantly clear on the Opera and this Forum I am neither interested in kilts or bagpipes and prefer a good flute and drum band instead.

Don't you get it? If stereotypes of your to believed, your country would be full kilts, bagpipes, and sheep-shagging, wife-beating drunks. Likewise, the US defies its stereotypes far more then it affirms them.

Who's rockwell?

NOW you've got me scared. Can you REALLY not ever have heard of Norman Rockwell, the artist? He did a whole lot of pictures depicting American scenes around the 1940s and '50s, even into the Kennedy years. See here:

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Reply #529 – 2015-09-13, 19:47:12

I think Mr. Howie is a secret SNP member and Red Socks wearer.

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Reply #530 – 2015-09-14, 02:04:37

Not surprised you are scared mjsmsprt4. I would be too living in such mad country as you do.....

Neat dance by you too.

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Reply #531 – 2015-09-15, 09:31:40

Quote from: mjmsprt40 on 2015-09-13, 15:47:27

NOW you've got me scared. Can you REALLY not ever have heard of Norman Rockwell, the artist?

Obviously I have. It would be bizarre for Howie to call Oakdale that, though

In fact, that would be compliment. It would be like me being offended because someone called me Stephen King.

Quote from: Colonel Rebel on 2015-09-13, 19:47:12

I think Mr. Howie is a secret SNP member and Red Socks wearer.

You are correct, sir!

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Reply #532 – 2015-09-16, 05:03:54

Quote from: Midnight Raccoon on 2015-09-15, 01:31:40

It would be bizarre for Howie to call Oakdale that, though In fact, that would be compliment.

Indeed, I have been a painter — but not very good. Certainly, not as good as Norman Rockwell; although he isn't high in my esteem… Still -as Sang says- I feel complimented!
I like his stuff. But he's no Rembrandt or Renoir… (I'd consider him a Toulouse-Lautrec.) And I'd take Howie's estimation of art as seriously as I'd take his editorial advice!

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Reply #533 – 2015-09-16, 18:32:47

Well now hermit Oakdale may I say that art was amongst my top subjects at school. As my city has world renowned galleries, I can understand that not getting out to mix with the world at large can effect thinking so making generous allowances. The theme of this thread started as Presidential thing but it comes under art in a general and flexible way - humour.

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Reply #534 – 2015-09-17, 21:41:03

[glow=black,2,300]HEY DONALD.....STRONG WINDS A COMIN' ON THE HORIZON! [/glow]

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Reply #535 – 2015-09-19, 06:19:24

Quote from: rjhowie on 2015-09-16, 10:32:47

Well now hermit Oakdale may I say that art was amongst my top subjects at school.

Did you ever manage to color within the lines?

Seriously, I grew up in Boston (and Cambridge). Boston's Museum of Fine Arts is somewhat known… (And Harvard's Fogg Museum has had some remarkable pieces on display during the times I was a frequent visitor.) Boston's Symphony Orchestra, (the Pops, too; and a few schools of music — including Berklee!) And, of course, you know that stage plays and musicals that bomb in Boston usually don't get to Broadway…
But I wonder how you'd consider someone who's lived in California, Massachusetts, New York, Texas, Colorado; and visited most of the other U.S. states… How is such a person considered a hermit?
Where have you lived, your whole life? Well, RJ?

Subjects!? Nonsense, man! Show me your work… What have you created? (Beside discord, and rancor…

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Reply #536 – 2015-09-19, 13:04:14

Listen hermit. I don't have toexplain anything to a militiaman Yank and as it happens in my second year at Secondary School got a picture put in the Glasgow palace of Art in a school competition.

Anyway back to that other variation of woud-be art re America's comedy spot the Presidential thing.

The Republican Party is in a mess what with what is it now candidates in double figures? Haha.Trump no doubt appeals to a number of Republican people as they are dumb about politics and the truth is he will not get the party nomination. As for the Democrats the other half of conglomerate and corporate control they will win the election and no doubt that woman, Clintno. To the millions of poor will mean not a damn thing and even with the Obama care stuff there are still Americans in millions who have no insurance.

So for the countless numbers at the bottom it makes no damn difference to them.Sad really.

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Reply #537 – 2015-09-19, 13:58:16

Quote from: OakdaleFTL on 2015-09-16, 05:03:54

I like his stuff. But he's no Rembrandt or Renoir… (I'd consider him a Toulouse-Lautrec.)

I agree with that. Anyway I like his work and consider it a very good representation of a certain image of America. How much such image it's true or not that would be a much more interesting theme than the current thread's topic.

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Reply #538 – 2015-09-19, 16:34:20

Quote from: OakdaleFTL on 2015-09-19, 06:19:24

Subjects!? Nonsense, man! Show me your work… What have you created? (Beside discord, and rancor… )

Now you've run him out of options

Unless you consider anti-americanism a different subject, of course

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Reply #539 – 2015-09-21, 03:44:42

I think that reason why Trump gets a depth of popularity is because like in many western countries people can get a wee bitty tired of the regular politics so if they are not too indepth willnot be sensible to think wisely for a proper politician. As I said the fact that the Republican lot have a what is it - a dozen or so wnating to be the candidate shows how much of a mess he party is in. He will not get the candidature and I am sure of that and even if the party was completely head shaking for him the American people would not have him anywhere near the White House . Any residence of sensibility in the Republican Party will save jhem the job of tolerating such a fool. The man makes a fool of himself and his country by his ignorance and stupidity. He is an embarrassment but most Americans will breath a sigh of relief when the Republican Party chase him.

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Reply #540 – 2015-09-22, 04:33:17

I agree with RJ.....I think "The Donald" is a fawkin' asshole!

Even though, to his credit, back in the late 70's his lot contributed handsomely to the boys of the IRA, he's still a fawkin' asshole!

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Reply #541 – 2015-09-23, 17:37:05

Quote from: SmileyFaze on 2015-09-22, 04:33:17

I agree with RJ.....I think "The Donald" is a fawkin' asshole!

Even though, to his credit, back in the late 70's his lot contributed handsomely to the boys of the IRA, he's still a fawkin' asshole!

So he is not just a "f a" but also has a huge dollop of bad judgement, supporting a bunch of murderous loosers".

I'm glad to be reassured he will not be elected to damage the good name of the U.S. of A.

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Reply #542 – 2015-09-23, 19:39:42

The problem is that while The Donald may not get elected, he can do an enormous amount of damage in the run-up to not getting elected.

Remember the damage that Ross Perot managed to do to the Democrat party? Some people think that Ross Perot may have drained enough votes from the Democrat candidate that it gave the election to the Republican by default.

The Donald has the capability of doing that kind of damage to the Republicans. He could guarantee a Hillary victory just by his being in the campaign in any capacity.

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Reply #543 – 2015-09-23, 23:56:01

[Slight correction, mjm: Perot gave the election to William Jefferson Clinton — the Democrat.] The dynamic is not much different now. (Three-party races are what they are.) But the situation is: GHW Bush was Reagan's VP for eight years and president for four…the incumbent in the election you refer to. Perot was an outsider who knew enough to recognize that he'd never get the Republican nomination (and he wouldn't become a Democrat), so he ran as an independent. And cost the Republican incumbent the election.
(Wiki says "Exit polls also showed that Ross Perot drew 38% of his vote from Bush, and 38% of his vote from Clinton, while the rest of his voters would have stayed home had he not been on the ballot." That strikes me as naive statistics…)
Now we have -as we did in 2008- a race with no incumbent. This is an "up for grabs" election: The likely nominees may not prevail.

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Reply #544 – 2015-09-24, 00:57:23

Oakdale--- you're right. My memory appears to be slipping.

Seems I remember Ralph Nader causing trouble for the Democrats. He didn't draw much more than single-digits if I remember, but in races where the difference between GWB and Al Gore (the first time around for GWB) and GWB against John Kerry were close--- the drain that Nader created just might have made the difference.

In any case---- these freak-show candidates may be good for laughs but they're terrible for getting good candidates into office.

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Reply #545 – 2015-09-24, 01:21:02

Quote from: mjmsprt40 on 2015-09-23, 16:57:23

[…] these freak-show candidates may be good for laughs but they're terrible for getting good candidates into office.

I've not entirely given up on getting good candidates into office… But we haven't had a Ronald Reagan in a very long time!

(Barry Goldwater was an early favorite of mine…)
What — particularly — would keep you from voting for Donald Trump, should he get the nomination? (I'll keep my speculations to myself; and my own opinions. I just want to know what you think.)

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Reply #546 – 2015-09-24, 02:21:40

If Trump gave money to that crowd of prehistoric, ignorant scumbags of the cave dwelling and murderous IRA scum murderers then shame on him and anyone who thinks that was constructive. How Americans can dish big money to such people (and he wasn't alone) is beyond intelligence and what is even worse than their killings is that they are very, very left wing and thuggish Socialist mindsets. Political hypocrisy

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Reply #547 – 2015-09-24, 12:12:33

Since we don't have Presidents in the UK, there is not exactly an exact comparison, but the remarks on getting a good Republican Candidate strikes a chord with me even though were I an American I would probably lean towards the Democrats.

Those that are slightly interested might have noticed that the UK' has two major parties, Conservative and Labour - right of centre and left of centre respectively. Well Labour have recently elected a new Leader recently by the name of Corbyn who is very much on the left of left-of-centre. So much so in fact that it is quite possible that his Party stands no chance at all in future General Elections. As a floating voter whose vote has to be earned I like to have a real choice, not have only one party to vote for. So even though I voted for the Conservatives at the last election I don't want to be marooned there.

There is a parallel with the odd-ball candidate for Republican Candidate becoming the Republican Choice. The best situation, I feel, is if both eventual main candidates for President are up to the job.

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Reply #548 – 2015-09-24, 23:59:31

Quote from: OakdaleFTL on 2015-09-24, 01:21:02

Quote from: mjmsprt40 on 2015-09-23, 16:57:23
[…] these freak-show candidates may be good for laughs but they're terrible for getting good candidates into office.
I've not entirely given up on getting good candidates into office… But we haven't had a Ronald Reagan in a very long time! (Barry Goldwater was an early favorite of mine…)
What — particularly — would keep you from voting for Donald Trump, should he get the nomination? (I'll keep my speculations to myself; and my own opinions. I just want to know what you think.)

What would keep me from voting for Trump? The guy is a freaking CLOWN, that's what. It would be hard to imagine a worse possible choice for president. If by chance he wins the Republican nomination--- that's it, they're through as a serious party.

He puts himself up as some sort of businessman-- but this is a man who managed to lose money OWNING a casino. Now that takes some doing. Look--- as a showman, he's hard to beat. As somebody you would actually want to sit in the Oval Office, as "commander in chief" and all the rest of it----- we just have to do better than Trump.

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Reply #549 – 2015-09-26, 05:03:48

Well I have already pointed out that Trump will get nowhere. I pointed out that some would like him because they are tired of the general political scene but the vasyt majority of Americans will keep their distance even if the Republicans were daft enough to make him their candidate. That will not happen but that party has a big, big, problem and that they have a whole bunch of people wanting to be the candidate shows how much they are in disarray.

Trump is a complete idiot and that he thinks some of the cruel things he stupidly says about other people are funny then what a farce he is! The main negative about him is that he is embarrassing the country to the rest of the world.