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Reply #100 –
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Quote from: Sanguinemoon on
I wonder how much Fox reports that Obama is presiding over the fastest growing economy in more than a decade.


Witnessing, along with us all   would probably better specifically define his place in the present economic picture.

Our American Economy has a heartbeat all it's own, & will virtually rise ( when we go to war and the MIC benefits from it) & falls (when we let Wall St. play casino with our retirement funds) as it pleases.

FTFY

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Reply #101 –
Well we will have to wait and see about that economic growth and Colonel Rebel has a point of wars boosting the economy the wrong way. Itwould be a much better dependable growth if the military was scaled back and heavily and people who are suffering at home or cannot afford the doctor would be greatly aided. O just cannot fathom where the common sense is sticking a neb into lots of other countries thus increasing the trillions in debt. Petrol is a strong part of the financial situation but the latest news from the US is that the oil industry is in a dodgy way due to world prices etc and thousands of oil workers can expect to be laid off. Why can't more of you see that instead of trying to run and influence the world and start wars and leave a mess that the country would be far better off withdrawing such and get back to helping it's own people instead.  My understanding is that Obama's bandwagon got more corporate backing than the Republicans and that is a surprise whilst showing the political system is flawed, losing support and a wider choice needed than the 2 parties stuck with.

I do recall some time ago our Southern associate supporting an alternative man who was I would say a bit of fresh air. That Obama's regime couldn't encourage more than the 50 odd percent is a reminder of the decline. Of course it is optimistic to look for growth but the trouble is that very often it doesn't always effect the peole it should. In conclusion I would add that the political set-up no longer serves that constituency referred to in that constitution - namely the people.....
"Quit you like men:be strong"

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Reply #102 –
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My party presides over the good times and your party over the bad.

To some extent, the Democratic party does. Clinton, longest economic expansion in history and budget surplus. Bush policies such as deregulating financial instruments that had been outlawed because they helped lead to the Great Depression - the Great Recession and turning the surplus into deficit.  Kansas, under radical supply-side policies is bleeding red ink with middling job growth at best. California, balanced budget and strong economic growth. Republicans have been become the economic illiterates under Supply Side, but Keynesian economics says to adjust your policies to the current conditions (unlike the Fox News version which says it's big government and high taxes; despite the fact Keynes himself warned against it. GOPers somehow confuse economic pragmatism with socialism, being retards in the field.

That also serves to answer Smiley's objection.There are certain things government can do, both by over-regulating and deregulating that can cripple the economy. "A heartbeat of its own" sounds good, but it's not entirely true in the US or any other advanced economy. The heart requires a working brain to function.

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Reply #103 –
A shitstorm may be brewing. David Duke David Duke , former KKK leader and Louisiana representative, has threatened to expose other politicians with ties to him. But let's backtrack for just a second. The House Majority Whip Steve Scalise (R-Louisiana) spoke before the white supremacist hate group European-American Unity and Rights Organization. So now he's feeling the pain for it. Duke's threat is in response to the fallout for Scalise.

Unless Duke is bluffing, nobody on his list will elected to even be the dog catcher. It's also interesting that former Klan leader is so quick to fend Scalise, so quick that it gives credibility to to the allegations that he's indeed a racist and white supremacist.   Scalise claims he didn't know what  EURO is, but how can you not? It take Google and 30 seconds to find out. Even if the charges are false, he still shouldn't be reelected do his incompetence if can't find out.

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Reply #104 –
I see a third bush is contemplating the election. Of course basically it is a situation free to use but there have been more than one family acting in a hereditary way which seems odd when looking in to a non-patrician system.
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Reply #105 –
Because it's unique to America to have political families, right? :rolleyes:

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Reply #106 –
With any luck, maybe we'll avoid both Bushes and Clintons for awhile. For sure, nothing will make me vote third-party faster than a Bush Republican nominee and a Clinton Democrat nominee in 2016.
What would happen if a large asteroid slammed into the Earth?
According to several tests involving a watermelon and a large hammer, it would be really bad!

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Reply #107 –
No Sanguinemoon I don't reason that is a reasonable answer in a country that sniffs at hereditary functions elsewhere in the world. It leans perhaps towards an excuse for the contradiction and I think there does need to be an overhaul of the  political process as it does seem to be losing an awful lot of interest from the people in general. Maybe there is a need for something wider than the cobble up of Democrats and Republicans and the shoving of anyone else out the way. Big money actually talks to the Dems as well as the Reps whilst the people sighand say away from the ballot box.
"Quit you like men:be strong"

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Reply #108 –
Bernie Sanders is thinking about running. Then at least the right-wingers would have an actual left-winger to freak out about :right:

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Reply #109 –
The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
A clone after a clone after a clone after a clone after a clone after a clone after a clone after a clone after a clone...
What a patience my God...
A matter of attitude.

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Reply #110 –
Quote from: Macallan on
Then at least the right-wingers would have an actual left-winger to freak out about

Crap. Now they won't know what to do with themselves. Imagine if he managed to win :insane: Now they won't be able to call someone a communist, socialist for implementing their own ideas. What will they do with themselves?
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I don't reason that is a reasonable answer in a country that sniffs at hereditary functions elsewhere in the world.

It's not the country that's doing this. It's one man and there's no guarantee Jeb will even win the Republican nomination, must less the presidency. I'd give at about four to one odds against, with his fifteen minutes of fame being over. But you don't care. It's just another chance to throw a cheap jab at America. 

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Reply #111 –
I'm thinking that Americans have had enough of both the Bushes and the Clintons for awhile. It's not terribly likely that either will win their respective party nominations--- though Hillary does stand a somewhat better chance than Jeb does.

There's other, better choices in both parties-- how about we the people choose better during the primaries, then in the general election we can choose between two viable candidates. OK, just a thought....
What would happen if a large asteroid slammed into the Earth?
According to several tests involving a watermelon and a large hammer, it would be really bad!

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Reply #112 –
Quote from: Sanguinemoon on

Quote from: Macallan on
Then at least the right-wingers would have an actual left-winger to freak out about

Crap. Now they won't know what to do with themselves. Imagine if he managed to win :insane: Now they won't be able to call someone a communist, socialist for implementing their own ideas. What will they do with themselves?


:left:

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Reply #113 –
Quote from: mjmsprt40 on

I'm thinking that Americans have had enough of both the Bushes and the Clintons for awhile. It's not terribly likely that either will win their respective party nominations--- though Hillary does stand a somewhat better chance than Jeb does.

Compared to the freak show of the last two elections he looks almost sane, so, not going to happen.

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Reply #114 –
Quote from: mjmsprt40 on
I'm thinking that Americans have had enough of both the Bushes and the Clintons for awhile.

Yup. In his myoptic Anti-Americanism and his zeal to call Americans hypocritical, Howie doesn't understand that being a Bush is liable to work against Jeb rather than for him.
Quote from: Macallan on
Compared to the freak show of the last two elections he looks almost sane, so, not going to happen.

George himself is the picture of sanity compared to the rest of the GOP clowncar. Did you hear Huckabee is quiting Fox News for his run. Seriously? Do the Republicans secretly want a Democratic president? It's possible, since they do a much better job at bitching about the "socialist" Democrat than actually providing policy; their states were bleeding red ink and the economy was in toilet so they focused on trying to kill Planned Parenthood and stopping gay marriage like the assclowns that they are.

It seems a little of topic, but look what happened in here in Las Vegas.

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Las Vegas, NV & Washington, D.C. — Log Cabin Republicans of Nevada President Ed Williams has been appointed Vice Chairman of the Clark County Republican Party. Clark County, anchored by Las Vegas, is the largest county in Nevada, exceeding the combined population of all other counties in the state.

“Ed brings the modern business management, IT and communications skills the Clark County party needs to beat Senator Harry Reid in 2016,” Clark County Republican Party Chairman David McKeon said. “He wholeheartedly supports our goals of winning elections, winning majorities and keeping Nevada red. I respect the leadership he brings to the party and glad he is part of the team.”
Here's glimmer of hope for the GOP. It's some of the Western Republicans that actually stopped giving a shit about people's sexual orientation and get on the business building solid economic policy. The article's inaccuracy is calling Nevada "Red." Because of the Las Vegas area (~2/3 population of the whole state) and Reno (most of the rest) Nevada has flipped to at least a Bluish Shade of Purple.

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Reply #115 –
You two, mjmspsrt40 and Sang need to get out more for fresh air! It is not the "man himself" stuff it is part of the system. There has been a list of such patrician families over the decades as well you know it so the system goes along with it as they get elected. You don't have to create a would-be confidence thing by gubbing out the anti-stuff as it is your own country that does so much in complete difference from the things it boasts it stands for. None of my list elsewhere was attended to simply because they are all happenings but you near tear flag wavers conjure up rather than face up!  :lol:
"Quit you like men:be strong"

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Reply #116 –
What you have us do, Howie? Ban someone from running because a relative was already president or something equally preposterous? Jeb has every right to run and so does Hillary. Likewise, the people have the right to tell them to get stuffed.

The only growing "party" in America is "Independent" , according to Gallup



If people are less likely to vote according to party, they're sure the hell not going to let someone slide into office because of family name. So it seems this "problem" has worked itself out.

While you might legitimately be unaware of this trend of Americans to reject the parties, what I see is you inventing another reason to bash America.

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Reply #117 –
Bashed by a limp lettuce.

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Reply #118 –
It's like if somebody eats said limp lettuce and farts. You can't get the smell out of the room.

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Reply #119 –
Independent there really means sod all as it is a corner not a party. I recall Colonel Rebel once indicating his view on a Third party candidate Ron Paul? Trouble is that the system is so fixed against people outside the big two people are sick of things and remember just over 50% bothered to vote in the national election. One cannot help but feel sorry for the carve up as the "people" are being conned. Excuses are made for these patrician families that are a contradiction to the actual system that it is claimed to be. It is all very well to sniff at hereditary rule but I am afraid you have your own aristocracy without the coronets. In the end it is a wider sense of democracy and folk are not getting it.
"Quit you like men:be strong"

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Reply #120 –
Quote from: rjhowie on
Independent there really means sod all as it is a corner not a party. I


Yes I agree, especially if you believe party affiliation means everything as it does in most Parliamentary Political Systems.

But we're different here.

Here, in the USA it means far less, & now that Independents are growing in leaps & bounds, the 2 party stalwarts are being forced to take less & less for granted.

These voters, many who have dropped the Democrat & Republican Brands, are simply saying they won't be taken for granted by anybody anymore, & are demanding particular attention from potential candidates.

The newer registering voters are saying precisely the same thing.

Where these Independent Registered voters will vote is becoming more & more a crap-shoot, & the term "Party Faithfull" is meaning so much less.

The Tea Party, which isn't a party at all but a mindset, has been pushing for existing voters to change their Party affiliations to Independent, & new voters to ignore the traditional Democrat & Republican Brands, & register Independent.

The Tea Party, who everyone says is dead because they don't protest & march like days of old, & have become almost invisible, has been extremely active & successful, & will continue being successful in driving voters to Independent registrations.





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Reply #121 –
I can think of nothing more suicidal for the two-party system here than to present us with a Bush on the Republican ticket and a Clinton on the Democratic ticket in 2016. One or the other of them just might win-- but it'll demolish the lock the two major parties have had on American politics. 2020 will look like a circus if the two majors parties don't do better than that in 2016.
What would happen if a large asteroid slammed into the Earth?
According to several tests involving a watermelon and a large hammer, it would be really bad!

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Reply #122 –
Quote from: mjmsprt40 on

I can think of nothing more suicidal for the two-party system here than to present us with a Bush on the Republican ticket and a Clinton on the Democratic ticket in 2016. One or the other of them just might win-- but it'll demolish the lock the two major parties have had on American politics. 2020 will look like a circus if the two majors parties don't do better than that in 2016.


It can happen.

But, it won't happen until the American People demand other alternatives via their vote.

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Reply #123 –
Well Smiley how many "Independents" outside of the big two are on the Hill?
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Reply #124 –
Two!

Smiley's numbers mean very little, since there's no place for the "independents" to go other than the Democrat party.
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