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Has the Irish Government gone daft over Che Guevara??

The Irish Government is arranging a postage stamp to remember Che Guevera. Have they gone off their dam heads? The man was evil, very cruel, violent and a damn marxist.
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Re: Has the Irish Government gone daft over Che Guevara??

Reply #1 –
Quote from: rjhowie on
The Irish Government is arranging a postage stamp to remember Che Guevera. Have they gone off their dam heads? The man was evil, very cruel, violent and a damn marxist.
I hear tell the Queen disliked Guevera. They're doing it to slide the licked, dripping wet stamp up her skank fanny!
     In times of universal deceit, telling the honest truth is a revolutionary act.

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You ignore what Ireland has done on the stamp so try dealing with that instead of being so damn insulting. Insulting our head of state only adds to your label of ignorance. The hard truth is you have side stepped the matter in hand. So supporting a Marxist thing is okay and coming from a rightist like you??  :down:
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Re: Has the Irish Government gone daft over Che Guevara??

Reply #3 –
Quote from: rjhowie on
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This must be the first time in the history of this site. RJ you are making history!

Or probably the Banned Member earned some editing too before getting banned.

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Quote from: rjhowie on
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You ignore what Ireland has done on the stamp so try dealing with that instead of being so damn insulting ....... So supporting a Marxist thing is okay and coming from a rightist like you?? 

Id like to see things from your point of view but I cant seem to get
my head that far up my ass.

So this is what's got your Monarchist Panties in such a Twist?! 

This Horrible, Horrible Stamp!?



Che Guevara's father said the 'blood of Ireland's rebels' flowed through his son's veins

But 800+ years of the cold blooded murder & oppression
of the Irish Peoples at the hands of the British doesn't even rate
a shrug of your old, derby headed, soon to be dust, orange bones!?

Whether a United Ireland chooses Marxism or not is their choice.

If they do I pray that someday they see, & they will, the errors of their ways ... Socialized Medicine sucks -- we all know that ...... Socialized taking from the rich, & giving to the poor (income redistribution) sucks --
we all know that......

A free & ultimately [glow=orange,2,300]UNITED IRELAND[/glow] is worth whatever it takes,
& whatever the short termed costs... [/i][/b]

[glow=orange,2,300]Tiocfaidh ár lá[/glow]

[glow=orange,2,300]Ooh Ah Up The Ra!!![/glow]




     In times of universal deceit, telling the honest truth is a revolutionary act.

Re: Has the Irish Government gone daft over Che Guevara??

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Quote from: Belfrager on
Quote from: rjhowie on
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What ideas?

Quote from: SmileyFaze on
Quote from: rjhowie on
The Irish Government is arranging a postage stamp to remember Che Guevera. Have they gone off their dam heads? The man was evil, very cruel, violent and a damn marxist.
I hear tell the Queen disliked Guevera. They're doing it to slide the licked, dripping wet stamp up her skank fanny!
     In times of universal deceit, telling the honest truth is a revolutionary act.

Re: Has the Irish Government gone daft over Che Guevara??

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Well the moderator is as you know hat as SmileyFaze. Why is someone who is publicly supporting a violent, hate filled and murderous organisation lie the Sinn Fein to act as if such is normal? On top of that he cannot give a proper answer re the theme and instead goes back to yak about what we are accusing of doing to Ireland for hundreds of years. It was a backwards bit of country and it was ruled by the corrupt and control freakery of the RC Church. When they started a rebellion in 1997 they carried black flags with the white initials "MWS." that was to indicate that murdering the non-Irish or Protestants was okay and fully supprted by the Popish Church.

I am musing that this forum is pointless and a tiny group these days. For me to have stuff deleted yet a terrorists profligate here is disgusting, hypocritical and out of order. I refuse to apologise for hitting a terrorist who can say what he damn well likes here and who have murdered people in their own communities. So it is okay for a murderer supporter to be given a free run and any challenge to such immoral and evil stuff a bad guy? Too much.
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Reply #8 –
Hm. Something that really gets Howie's dander up, the Irish terrorists and their enablers, won't lead to a discussion of "reunification" for Ireland. (It won't for Smiley, either… His moral compass seems a bit off too: Perhaps the lodestone that affects them both is the same. A past the never was? :( )

I'll side with RJ on this one issue: Honoring Che (…even on a 1 penny stamp — give it time, it'll get to that value! :) ) shows a deranged view of history. That Smiley can't care less if Ireland goes Marxist (democracy, and all that? Eh, RJ? :) ) and only seems to want all on the island to share the same misery is telling:
He's just angry that his terrorists aren't seen as "freedom fighters"… Too funny!

BTW: I've always known that Samuel Adams (the mind behind the Boston Tea Party, and much else) was a terrorist; he himself knew it, too. But those seeking independence from the Crown won their revolution… They full well expected to be hung as traitors, had they lost.

There are still some in America who think the Civil War was a second revolution. But the piffling arguments that the war was about anything but slavery are only shamefacedly advanced by folks who still believe slavery was, on balance, a "nobel" institution.
RJ still believes that the Confederacy was maligned. Why? Well, they were…what? Scots? Willing to let Britain help in "their" insurrection? :) They lost, RJ; and history moved on.
Likewise, Ireland lost it's war of unification, Smiley… You argue like the La Raza fringe that think Mexico "deserves" California back!

If you'all won't argue about what you disagree on (besides that each thinks the other unprincipled — and I see little in your back-and-forth to make me expect any statement of principle soon) all you can do is insult each other. So, of course, the level of insult needs -for you two- to escalate.

The moderator, I think, correctly hints at the pertinent question: Do you have to do that here? Is that what you think this forum is for?
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Re: Has the Irish Government gone daft over Che Guevara??

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I retreat from nothing dear man and especially making terrorist scumbags "oka."
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Re: Has the Irish Government gone daft over Che Guevara??

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Apparently Che Guevara visited Ireland once upon a time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:CheGuevaraCountries.jpg


Quote from: rjhowie on
The Irish Government is arranging a postage stamp to remember Che Guevera.
I'll admit to ignorance, but how much power does the Irish government have in this matter?

I had no idea this guy could be so controversial. I saw him primarily as a guy worn on t-shirts by "edgy" alt-punk types. But I suppose it's very different if you were an adult in the '60s.

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Quote from: Frenzie on
I'll admit to ignorance, but how much power does the Irish government have in this matter?
Stamps represent the country all over the world. Who else has any power in this matter?

Of course, government ministers don't hold meetings about stamp design, but those who do are government-approved officials with guidelines as to where to draw some lines.

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The government would likely have retained various means of exerting pressure. The power to control stamp designs could even be made an explicit part of the agreement with a private company to be the national mail carrier. But what you say certainly isn't grosso modo true in my parts. Incidentally, PostNL allows you to order sheets with your own customized stamp designs.

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Quote from: Frenzie on
But what you say certainly isn't grosso modo true in my parts. Incidentally, PostNL allows you to order sheets with your own customized stamp designs.
Like custom T-shirts? Wow, then you can incidentally screw up your country's image :)

Here, people were able to vote for the national euro coins design. That was between several pre-approved designs, obviously. As much as I know, stamp designs are approved in a similar way, but there is a much narrower circle of voters, some little bureaucrats.

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Quote from: ersi on
Like custom T-shirts? Wow, then you can incidentally screw up your country's image  :)
I think our image is already thoroughly "screwed up" with people from certain parts of the globe. There are realities like freedom of the press and freedom of expression many don't seem to understand. Apparently we can add freedom of stamps to the list. ;)

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Quote from: Frenzie on
Incidentally, PostNL allows you to order sheets with your own customized stamp designs.
The same applies for Germany, Austria and probably many other countries as well. Fun stamps, so to speak.
However, such stamps have no philatelic value.

As for Che, he was one of the greatest personlities of the past century.
Shooting death a prisoner is easy, to kill his ideas is more difficult...

Re: Has the Irish Government gone daft over Che Guevara??

Reply #16 –
Quote from: Frenzie on
I had no idea this guy could be so controversial. I saw him primarily as a guy worn on t-shirts by "edgy" alt-punk types. But I suppose it's very different if you were an adult in the '60s.
Yes. Che should indeed be recognized as the prototypical Communist: Psychotic, murderous and open to any depravity his power allowed him.
Just saying! :)
Quote from: krake on
As for Che, he was one of the greatest personlities of the past century.
He was almost as cuddly as Jeffry Dahmer… :)
Will Ireland next honor "Uncle Joe" Stalin and Chairman Mao? Pol Pot?

I sort-of understand why Howie was offended; I was too.  Likewise, I don't understand why Smiley wasn't… Why wasn't he?
Not only he can say. If he doesn't explain himself, others will do it for him… :)
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Re: Has the Irish Government gone daft over Che Guevara??

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I'm against anything pro Che Guevara and the marxist-revolutionary folklore.
I'm also against many other things.
A matter of attitude.

Re: Has the Irish Government gone daft over Che Guevara??

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Quote from: OakdaleFTL on
......Likewise, I don't understand why Smiley wasn't... Why wasn't he?
Not only he can say. If he doesn't explain himself, others will do it for him...

Simple.....first & foremost because I believe in the Freedom of Speech, which comes with it the Freedom of Expression.

What makes it even better is that the basics of Freedom so bother RJ when it comes to anything done in & by Ireland....a county who, like America, fought a bloody war for independence, & obtained their just Freedom.

How?

By killing the British, just like George Washington did so many years before, when his Armies, just like the IRA Freedom Fighters, shot & killed them...........The IRA Freedom Fighters blew the British to hell in a hand-basket with their bombs, shot them dead with their snipers, & guerilla warfare, which eventually brought the mighty British to submission, & attained a Freedom after 800+ years of British murder & oppression.

That said, I despise Marxism.....

I despise Socialism........I've said this in detail many times before. But, what happens in Ireland is the Right of A Free Irish People.

If they choose to embrace a shitty ideology, like Marxism/Socialism that's their Right, & I applaud their right to do so, not the outcome of what they chose.

Socialism will eventually fail (as it always does), & the Irish will eventually come to their senses & see the errors of their ways......but in the end it is for them to get there, not the RJ's of this world to dictate to them how to express their Freedoms.

The Brits lost that right when they turned tail after their will had been completely broken, & their so called brave armies were beaten into submission.

So, RJ's loyalist, unionist panties are in a twist because of who they chose for their postage stamp?? 

I submit it has nothing to do with a stamp, but it's because a [glow=orange,2,300]FREE IRISH[/glow] had the Right to Choose it, & will freely choose on ... deep into the future!

[glow=orange,2,300]Tiocfaidh ár lá[/glow]

[glow=orange,2,300]Ooh Ah Up The Ra!!![/glow]

     In times of universal deceit, telling the honest truth is a revolutionary act.

Re: Has the Irish Government gone daft over Che Guevara??

Reply #19 –
Quote from: OakdaleFTL on
Yes. Che should indeed be recognized as the prototypical Communist: Psychotic, murderous and open to any depravity his power allowed him.
Just saying! :)
Speaking of psyhotic, murderous and open to any depravity its power allows: US Has Killed More Than 20 Million People in 37 “Victim Nations” Since World War II
That article is from 2005, so it is far to be complete. Just saying. :)

Quote from: OakdaleFTL on
Will Ireland next honor "Uncle Joe" Stalin and Chairman Mao? Pol Pot?
Who knows, maybe they'll honor "Uncle Sam".
Imagine a stamp honoring John Negroponte for his (in)famous death squads. Wonder if you can? :)

BTW, in case you don't like GlobalResearch, feel free and do some Google-search of your own. I'm sure you'll get some nice hits.

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I'm against everything.
And I'm against anyone who is against anything. Myself included.
I'm going to change the world. Wait... I'm going to kill myself.
Nah... Just keep on posting.

Re: Has the Irish Government gone daft over Che Guevara??

Reply #21 –
I know that SmileyFace is from a money corporate right background yet he comes up with this damn support for the Sinn Fein which is VERY left wing and Marxist leaning. The utter hypocrisy is stunning. The stamp represents another Marxist who was a terrible killer so the two-sided goes on with utter stupidity. Southern Ireland does not want a SF government and it will NEVER happen because they have grown up down there and got freed from the corrupting control of the RC Church. The fact that my country has loaned Ireland billions of pounds following Ireland's financial debacle is ignored. Smile lives in an ancient and nonsense history background.

The whole matter of the thread is the stamp and the Irish Government should never have made one for an evil Marxist killer. That is the point.
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Reply #22 –
Quote from: krake on
The same applies for Germany, Austria and probably many other countries as well. Fun stamps, so to speak.
However, such stamps have no philatelic value.
But they do have postage value? I'm a bit astonished that such custom T-shirt style stamps are permitted. Here they are treated more respectfully, analogous to actual money. Probably the same is the case in Ireland too, that stamp design is subject to government regulation. This would explain why the Che stamps make news.

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Quote from: https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2017/1009/910858-che-guevara-stamp/
The Department of Communications said that the decision to issue the stamp had been approved by the government in 2015.

A spokesperson said: "Subject matter for stamp designs are presented to Government in advance. This particular subject matter (Che Guevara) was submitted and approved by Government in December 2015 as per normal procedures."
It might also be worth considering that it's probably the most famous picture to have ever been created by an Irish artist, Jim Fitzpatrick.

/checks… oh, never mind.

Quote from: https://www.pri.org/stories/2017-10-13/ireland-celebrates-che-guevaras-irish-roots-stamp-despite-opposition
But Fitzpatrick’s role is not part of the reasoning of the Irish postal service. That’s the rebel thing.

Re: Has the Irish Government gone daft over Che Guevara??

Reply #24 –
Quote from: Barulheira on
I'm against everything.
And I'm against anyone who is against anything. Myself included.
Absolutely, I'm at your side being against everything including ourselves and very specially those who are against anything. There's no patience.
The rest of your post is a bit of shit, influence of the anglo saxons. I think they're discussing Che Guevara at post stamps. I prefer Che at t shirts, it's more irritating.
A matter of attitude.