"Proportional" reprentation

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Reply #75 – 2017-09-18, 10:44:02

Quote from: OakdaleFTL on 2017-09-18, 07:52:40

. But the main point is undeniable: We are different, in our preconceptions and in our aspirations...

It's undeniable that you think you are oh-so different. The ideology of American Exceptionalism, particularly the messianic version of it, makes its adherents completely ridiculous.

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Reply #76 – 2017-09-18, 23:08:00

In Scotland, Wales, Ulster we have proportional voting for those parliaments but not nationally at Westminster. Some on the liberal democrat tiny corner moan about that which is stupid because we did have a UK referendum and PR was ignored and we stayed as we are.

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Reply #77 – 2017-09-19, 11:14:54

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"'All of the people in his district--including those who voted against
him?" Yes, of course. And suddenly enlightenment dawns--the realization

[…]
Everywhere else, elected representatives represent mainly their parties and the ideology their parties, which is identified with the "public interest." Only in America is it taken for granted that they ought to represent, first of all, the economic interests of all of their constituents.

This sounds like some first-class ignorance at best. Aside from that, it looks like it's attempting to make some point about the word economic which is just plain illogical. First of all, what proof is there that in Europe we don't think primarily about economic interests as well? And secondly, to say that focusing on economic interests isn't promoting "any particular ideology" is so laughable it shouldn't even need addressing.

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But the main point is undeniable: We are different, in our preconceptions and in our aspirations...

Insofar as there is indeed a difference worthy of the name, it would be that belief.

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Reply #78 – 2017-09-19, 14:41:27

Quote from: Frenzie on 2017-09-19, 11:14:54

This sounds like some first-class ignorance at best.

Ignorance or deliberate lie...

Quote from: Frenzie on 2017-09-19, 11:14:54

And secondly, to say that focusing on economic interests isn't promoting "any particular ideology" is so laughable it shouldn't even need addressing.

Hail turbo-capitalism aka casino-capitalism!...

Quote from: Frenzie on 2017-09-19, 11:14:54

Insofar as there is indeed a difference worthy of the name, ...

It depends on how efficient brainwashing works.

Not related but somehow in context:

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Reply #79 – 2017-09-19, 17:47:46

Wonder if they had PR in Texas how many would vote "out."?

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Reply #80 – 2017-09-21, 03:40:00

Quote from: rjhowie on 2017-09-19, 10:47:46

Wonder if they had PR in Texas how many would vote "out."?

Ever been to Texas? They are pretty convinced they are on their own already. "The Lone Star State" is an attitude.

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Reply #81 – 2017-09-21, 07:59:53

I haven't been to Texas since '70… And except for them all calling me "Yankee" I had no problems with them. They were good people — despite their opinion of me…

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Reply #82 – 2017-09-21, 20:17:47

I lived there. Then spent weeks out of every summer there after that, tagging along with the old man on business trips. It was a good chance to get away and enjoy some freedom in my teens. I was unaware I was being disparaging. It's a fine place. I like it. I just don't think they need any convincing they could go it alone.

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Reply #83 – 2017-09-21, 23:53:24

Only been in two of your States ensbb3 but I was kind of passingly curious about Texas and it was stirred by a programme shown on television here in GB just about three or so years ago on Texans who wanted out of the Union. No doubt they would be a minority whilst at the same time there seemed a bit of a presumptuous Texas attitude.

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Reply #84 – 2017-09-22, 23:24:10

Quote from: rjhowie on 2017-09-21, 16:53:24

Texans who wanted out of the Union.

I mean, the last time it was an option they left.

Quote from: rjhowie on 2017-09-21, 16:53:24

No doubt they would be a minority whilst at the same time there seemed a bit of a presumptuous Texas attitude.

Well they are aware of the benefits of being one of the wealthiest States in such a Union too. But you wouldn't have to talk to many of them before learning that and every other thing great about Texas. Friendly tho... Oh, and cowboy garb is not a costume there.

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Reply #85 – 2017-09-23, 07:56:02

Please understand, poor Scotsman, that Texas has been constrained by rules set by Congress, a long time ago. Once upon a time, Texas could become 6 states — but that option went away a long time ago.
We're not like your lot: We decided on union, and made it a prerequisite. It stays as it is.

You silly geese can keep voting, over and over…

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Reply #86 – 2017-09-25, 02:13:52

must say that ensbb3's answer is more sensible than constant hiccup OakdaleFTL. Yakking on about "us" on voting. Can I say if you are not sozzled that at5 least voting has a point here! Was interesting to know that going on wearing Stetsons is not typical any more than us wearing kilts everywhere.