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A blast from the past… :)

Dr. Jerry Pournelle long ago published this (but he recently linked to it…):
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The only significant thing I ever did on ARPA NET was to get GPS funded. Of course that is too strong a statement; actually it was a lot more complicated than that.

What happened was that Francis X. Kane, the silent co-author of Possony and Pournelle THE STRATEGY OF TECHNOLOGY, had invented Global Positioning System while Director of Plans at USAF Systems Command, and had managed to get USAF to request and get funding. Then in the 70's Congress zeroed GPS out of the budget. Kane called me in hopes I had some resources to get it revived. I broadcast a message about that on ARPANET, and Lowell Wood, Livermore physicist and one of Teller's inner circle, saw it, sent me email to get details, got in touch with Kane, and went to Washington where he lobbied among his Congressional contacts to get it restored. It was restored and I think it would not have been done without Wood, who would not have heard about it were it not for ARPANET. GPS turns out to be important, but then we all knew it would be; the trick was convincing Congress.

That done, I had books to write and work to do. Commercial net accounts were coming, Loudon was inventing what became CompuServe after several evolutions and transformations and acquisitions, and BYTE was inventing BIX; I still held a clearance through having been President of Pepperdine Research and I still did some policy briefings for Air Force Plans and Doctrines, and so had all the communications I needed. Stallman, one of my friends from the MIT ARPANET, was done with most of his work there (I was an early beta tester of emacs, and some of my naïve observations found their way into the final product), and I found I spent most of my time on ARPANET playing ZORK, an activity for which I had no time; it was a gift of time to find that account closed. I resented the way it was done, but not enough to speak to anyone in the Pentagon about it. I see that the story still reverberates after twenty years (it all happened in CP/M S-100 days, mostly at 300 baud; 1200 was a godsend). Peace.
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We don't listen to old people any more; which is a problem: Many of them know so much more than youngsters and their college professors… :)
Pournelle has been an influence on me for 30 years or more. (I've always been aware of his non-Science Fiction interests! And he's not been shy about sharing them.)

Do any of you have heroes, mentors or just consistently sensible public figures that you fear losing?
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Do any of you have heroes, mentors or just consistently sensible public figures that you fear losing?
Why do you write "you" in italic?
A matter of attitude.

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So that the emphasis is evident, showing clearly that Pournelle is one of my heroes! Pournelle is 86 now and in the last few years has survived brain cancer and a debilitating stroke… Yet he continues to write! Including keeping up his web site. Amazing.
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Some older news of an H-bomb test as reported in North Korea national TV.

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjt29MuBF0E[/video]

This creepy style of presentation was not part of Soviet news of Brezhnev era. The message (if you understand the languages) may look the same and based on this one might suspect a similar atmosphere in both countries, but the difference in the body languages clearly sets a different tone. Both SU and North Korea may be called totalitarian, but personality-cult totalitarianism (China under Mao, SU under Stalin, North Korea all long) is not the same thing as collegial totalitarianism (Brezhnev era SU, mainland China now).

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We see this here occasionally on tv news.
"Quit you like men:be strong"

Alex Jones is not bragging

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[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8tr4xDm2Lc[/video]

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Pournelle is 86 now
Alas, I had got his age wrong — giving him two more years than God did. RIP, Jerry.

RIH, Alex Jones… :) I don't wish you ill, yet; but I can't bring myself to wish you well…
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A blast from the past... that's a very good title for a thread. So many themes to discuss.

Unfortunately DnD is turning worst day after day. With such a title we finish discussing nothing from the past just summer time.
Wake up people.

It's not our fault, we live times of deception.
A matter of attitude.

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Oh I don't mind you digging at me Oakdale as I make allowances for you trying to cope with a nut job country........ :D
"Quit you like men:be strong"

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Nut job country? Really RJ!
I have to say, though, that some American politicians have their moments in the darkness.
Dan Quayle on the Holocaust:
''The Holocaust was an obscene period in our nation's history. I mean in this century's history. But we all lived in this century. I didn't live in this century.''
 :o

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He didn't live in this century? :P

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RT complaining about CNN talking about Russian minarets https://www.rt.com/viral/388848-cnn-time-russian-minarets/

Now I found that the reference to minarets was not a casual blunder. It was borrowed from this old travel guide, where the page 26 says, "On the 14th September [1812] the advanced guard of the French army [under Napoleon] caught the first view of the golden minarets and the starry domes of Moscow."

The original post by krake is here https://dndsanctuary.eu/index.php?topic=2697.msg72614#msg72614

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To be fair, onion domes also sounds like a description for when you can't think of the real word. I guess this tells us something about the time pressure.

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Onion dome may sound like something in place of the real word, but it actually is the real word, even in Russian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onion_dome (But I guess it's possible to make it realler by translating it to Greek and use that.)

And minarets is also the real word, when you are cultured by Murray's travel books.

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Forgot to say dear Mr. Tennessee that nutjobland is very appropriate when you compare the factual situation with all the claims about being so principled different when  practice os something else.  Nearly as bad as a Glaswegian forced to live in snobby Edinburgh. My only times there are when I have to change trains to get somewhere up the East coast of Scotland. At least you are in a nie quiet retired corner and can be relaxed after a busy life!  :devil:
"Quit you like men:be strong"

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I've got caught up watching these early 20th century compilations recently.
[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqyiMrIgwcw[/video]

this is a rather long one but the channel has all kinds. the "life on the streets of _____" have been the most interesting to me.

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That's all pretty random, lol.

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In not too distant past, end of January this year, a Russian retired general warned Putin against starting a war against Ukraine, because:
- Due to international condemnation of the annexation of Crimea, and Russia's own failure to recognise the Donbass republics, a further attack against Ukraine would begin to threaten the legitimacy of Russia itself on the international arena
- The people of Russia and the people of Ukraine would become mortal enemies
- Both sides would suffer thousands or tens of thousands casualties of the young healthy demographic, hitting hard against the aging population of both countries
- On the battlefield, Russia would encounter not just Ukrainians, but also many Russians of Ukraine, plus volunteers and military technology from Nato countries, and Nato countries may be compelled to declare war against Russia
- Turkey's likely role would be to "liberate" (in scare quotes in the original) Crimea and Sevastopol and probably even invade Caucasus
- Russia would become an international pariah and be hit with the hardest sanctions and isolation the world has ever seen

Except for the role of Turkey who became an arms trader with both sides and intermediator of negotiations, an amazingly accurate forecast. Also, the statement kindly demands Putin to retire from politics. Source http://www.ooc.su/news/obrashhenie_obshherossijskogo_oficerskogo_sobranija_k_prezidentu_i_grazhdanam_rossijskoj_federacii/2022-01-31-79

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Accurate anyhow, not so sure how amazing it was. An invasion at any scale would drive the wedge deeper between Russia and Ukraine, and further shift public opinion in Ukraine. Of the three camps, Anti-Russian, Pro-Russian, and don't care, the third may have been the largest, and it has now withered, Pro-Russians have weakened even in previously occupied territories, and Anti-Russian sentiments are now presumably persistent, even after Putin. People who used to identify as Russian now identify as Russian-speaking Ukrainians.

As for Turkey, the Azerbaijani attack on Armenia,, just like the 2020 war, had to happen with the support of Erdogan.

That may have been that. Aliyev may have believed his star to be rising, with Turkey more influential, Russia preoccupied in Ukraine, and EU desperate for Azerbaijani gas. But the pointlessness of the Azerbaijani attack combined with curiously timed trouble in Central Asia, leads to the theory that Putin may have been in on it too.

https://www.reuters.com/world/france-accuses-russia-stoking-armenia-azerbaijan-conflict-2022-10-12/


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The mystery of Franklin's expedition has been solved: They ate each other.

Between 1847 and 1859, at least 36 expeditions set out in search of Franklin’s lost ships, but all ended in failure. It wasn’t until researchers turned to Inuit oral history that they were able to locate the final resting place of the Erebus and the Terror in the past decade.

The site where Fitzjames and at least a dozen others perished was located by searchers in the 1860s, who heard Inuit stories that the survivors resorted to cannibalism – news that rocked Victorian England. That testimony was given some support in the late 1990s by the late anthropologist Anne Keenleyside, who found marks consistent with human-made cuts on nearly a quarter of the bones.

A molar from one mandible, etched with knife marks, proved a match with one of those 25 [DNA samples] and the team soon realized they were holding the remains of Captain James Fitzjames. The results were published on Tuesday in the Journal of Archaeological Science.

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How a tax increase helped spark the American Civil War
In 1828 Congress passed a tariff that increased the rates on imports into the United States to as much as 50 percent. This was the largest increase in the country’s history. The aim was to protect American manufacturing in the North by making importing foreign goods more expensive. There were strong feelings about the Tariff of 1828. Reactions were divided by geography, and the country split in a way that would later be echoed by the division between the Union and the Confederacy in the Civil War. People in New York, New Jersey, Delaware, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Missouri, and Kentucky generally supported the tariff. Meanwhile, Southerners nicknamed it the “Tariff of Abominations.” Support of the tariff was one of the issues that helped decide the election of 1828. John Quincy Adams lost to Andrew Jackson.

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It's been a blast every time.
1930 skrev USA:s president Herbert Hoover (1874–1964) under en av historiens mest ökända handelslagar: Smoot-Hawley-tullen.

Lagen höjde tullarna på över 20 000 importvaror för att skydda amerikanska jobb, företag och jordbruk från utländsk konkurrens.

Istället blev resultatet ett förödande tullkrig som fick världshandeln att kollapsa och USA att gå in i väggen.

Also AP: Trump says high tariffs may have prevented the Great Depression. History says different
Like Trump, Hoover was elected largely because of his business acumen. An international mining engineer, financier and humanitarian, he took office in 1929 like an energetic CEO, eager to promote public-private partnerships and use the levers of government to promote economic growth.

“Anyone not only can be rich, but ought to be rich,” he declared in his inaugural address before convening a special session of Congress to better protect U.S. farmers with “limited changes of the tariff.”

Instead, the 31st president got the Great Depression.

 

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There are all these analogs around what kind of totalitarian regime Trump is aiming for, like Orbán's Hungary, Putin's Russia, Xi's China, or historically eras like Italy's fascism, the Third Reich, Stalin's Soviet Union. Right now most of all it is reminiscent of Mao's China in the 1950s.

Of course it's none of these really. Society is different in the information age. But it shares the shambolic governance, corruption, and capriciousness with the early phases of all of these. Overt loyalty to the ruler is the most important attribute, both among henchmen and media. Those with anything to lose fear crossing him, and the rule of law is unable to react effectively.

I think this takeover will fail. His cult is intensely loyal to him, but the rest of the Americans aren't, the oligarchs are now less keen on him, and he doesn't have the siloviki of Russia to put them in their place. If it doesn't those who succeed him will be less shambolic.

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Hitler liked tariffs too.

“National Socialism demands that the needs of German workers no longer be supplied by Soviet slaves, Chinese coolies, and Negroes,” [Nazi Party chief economist Gottfried] Feder wrote. Germany needed German workers and farmers producing German goods for German consumers. Feder saw “import restrictions” as key to returning the German economy to the Germans. “National Socialism opposes the liberal world economy, as well as the Marxist world economy,” Feder wrote. Our fellow Germans must “be protected from foreign competition.”

Even though Hitler’s own foreign minister, Konstantin von Neurath, was concerned that the strategy would spark a trade war, and could drive up the price of imported eggs by 600 percent, Feder’s tariffs fit into Hitler’s larger vision for “liberating” the German people from the shackles of a globalized world order.

Hans Joachim von Rohr, who worked at the Reich’s nutrition ministry, went on national radio to explain the logic of Hitler’s tariff strategy. “The products that Germany lacks must be made more expensive; then farmers will produce them in sufficient quantities,” Rohr explained. “And if foreign competition is kept at bay by tariffs and the like, city residents will prefer domestic production.” Rohr offered lard—“Schmalz”—as an example.

The primary targets of the Hitler tariffs—the Scandinavian countries and the Netherlands—were outraged by the sudden suspension of favored-nation trading status on virtually all agricultural products, as well as on textiles, with tariffs in some cases rising 500 percent. With its livestock essentially banished from the German market, Denmark, for example, was facing substantial losses. Farmers panicked. The Danes and Swedes threatened “retaliatory measures,” as did the Dutch...

Hitler launched his trade war on the second Friday of his chancellorship. That evening, he appeared in the Berlin Sportpalast, the city’s largest venue, for a rally in front of thousands of jubilant followers. It was his first public appearance as chancellor, and it served as a victory lap. Hitler dispensed with the dark suit he wore in cabinet meetings in favor of his brown storm-trooper uniform with a bright-red swastika armband.
Hitler had two key differences from Trump. One, he was principled, i.e. he did not do on-again, off-again, ramp-up-and-then-postpone tariffs. Second, even though his understanding of economy is said to have been primitive, he did not do the stupidest idiotic Trumpite nonsense blanket tariffs, so evidently he had available and listened to sound advice on this point.