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Reply #100 –
Spot on there.

The only thing that I find a wee bit odd is the matter of that flag issue.  Not my history of course but I think the saltire style flag was not the national flag of the CSA as it happens but a battle flag. Oddly it is used to represent the Confederacy rather than the actual. Maybe folk thought it nicer I don't know. Now due to the crzy boy who used the flag has resulted in shops stopping selling it and so on. As a prrnciple it is weird as many countries would have to stop selling theirs for misconduct, etc.

As for Edinburgh (shudder), I will have to go there sometime after the Border passengerrough nice countryside but I have one consolation. The Glasgow train will arrive in Edinburgh Waverley Station and I don't have to go outside just change platforms. Hooray!
"Quit you like men:be strong"

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Reply #101 –
To truly understand Black psychology, you have to see Key and Peele in Negrotown.
[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg58d8opQKA[/video]
 

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Reply #102 –
Kamala Harris has been almost entirely hidden. Yesterday she made a speech about, idk, things, also decrying something about how history is taught. I won't even link to it. The news outlets headlined that the speech was against Florida's new Black history standards. The speech was rambling to the extent that it was hard to get that detail.

So, I gather now that Kamala Harris has been kept hidden for a good reason. In speeches and interviews she holds up worse than Biden and Trump. She is a non-factor to the nth degree.

Anyway, Black history is a weird thing. I saw a documentary of Wild West (the famous Wild West) on Finnish TV that was presenting the Black perspective, saying that the proportion of Blacks in the Wild West activities was high (makes sense, as the people would be moving in order to obtain a better life, and not having to leave their lovely belongings behind) and that some John Wayne movie was really about a historical Black guy. And the documentary stressed at regular intervals that Blacks need to know this, take their history back and be proud of it. I mean, knowing that you greatly contributed to shooting natives, what is there to be proud of? Why demand recognition for it?

Colonialism works in mysterious ways. Some of the colonised feel they are getting civilised, and they proudly present their civilisation by doing colonialism of their own. In a quiz I participated we got a list of countries and the question was what they have in common. The thing in common was supposed to be that these countries were never colonised. One of the countries on the list was Liberia. I happen to know Liberia. It was founded by freed and returned Blacks from USA. That is, Liberia was founded as a colony, plain and simple. The "civilised" arrived from elsewhere and told the locals, "We are civilised and we are going to show you how civilisation works. Here's what you must do." This is straightforward apartheid, is it not? Wikipedia says,

Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberia
Believing themselves different from, and culturally and educationally superior to the indigenous peoples, the Americo-Liberians developed as an elite minority that created and held on to political power. In a conscious effort to emulate the American South, the Americo-Liberian settlers adopted clothing such as hoop skirts and tailcoats, and excluded natives from economic opportunities, including creating plantations on which natives were forced to work as slaves.[26] Indigenous tribesmen did not enjoy birthright citizenship in their own land until 1904.

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Reply #103 –
Kam-ela Harris, a.k.a. Willie Brown's Mattress, remains -despite her relative obscurity- largely disliked by one and all! There are some few who are befuddled by her inanity, not knowing how the Democratic Party got into its current mess.
When she was merely a local DA, I was unconcerned. But as my state's Attorney General and then one of its Senators and then a spectacularly unsuccessful Presidential candidate, where she proved herself the perfect running mate for Joe Biden [1], I had justifiable qualms: When Biden inevitably justified Barack Obama's warning "Never underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up!"  her brief stint on the national political stage would prevent his impeachment. :)

About the actual topic: You're feigned inability to take human nature into account is quite amusing!
But -do tell- what were those countries which were never "colonized"?
1 Unprincipled, morally corrupt and inept...↵
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...she proved herself the perfect running mate for Joe Biden [Unprincipled, morally corrupt and inept...]
The adjectives describe Trump and Palin perfectly (and also Ted Cruz, Marjorie Taylor Greene etc). Either you are a very bad judge of characters or the adjectives serve to deflect from the real issue.

The real issue is your fervent partisanship: Democrats bad; Republicans, even when they do the exact same things you accuse Democrats of, always good. I know the real issue is partisanship because in this case Republicans have been proudly and brazenly evil and against all of their nominally held principles (e.g. the insurrection and rigging of the elections that you failed to see), while the current Democrat administration has been moderately good for domestic economy and positive for the country's reputation worldwide.

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...her brief stint on the national political stage would prevent his impeachment. :)
What would you impeach Biden of? Let me guess: Hunter Biden's laptop from hell :lol:

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You're feigned inability to take human nature into account is quite amusing!
The inability to take human nature into account is all yours.

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But -do tell- what were those countries which were never "colonized"?
Bhutan, Thailand, Japan and Ethiopia. China may also have been listed, I don't remember.

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What would you impeach Biden of?
Bribery comes to mind...

(Ted Cruz!? Really? :) I'm surprised you didn't add Clarence Thomas to your list!)
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What would you impeach Biden of?
Bribery comes to mind...
It should not, from your perspective. Because, you see, Trump had a "perfect phone call" with Zelensky demanding a quid pro quo and the following impeachment was a hoax and a witch hunt, therefore how can Biden be deemed worthy of impeachment of something similar?[1]

Besides, as we both know, impeachment never works, so if you want Biden held accountable, why go down the impeachment route?

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(Ted Cruz!? Really? :) I'm surprised you didn't add Clarence Thomas to your list!)
Sure, him too. The list is long and always incomplete.
1 I think Biden could well be guilty of some personal gain in that instance, but he is not guilty of obstructing the investigation of it, the way Trump is. However, both Trump's and Biden's personal gain in office is nowhere near what W did with Iraq war. Remember that Iraqi oil was supposed to pay for the war, and it totally did personally for W, but did not for the federal budget.↵

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Reply #107 –
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Besides, as we both know, impeachment never works, so if you want Biden be accountable, why go down the impeachment route?
Perhaps because I remember how Nixon's resignation was achieved! :)

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I think Biden could well be guilty of some personal gain in that instance, but he is not guilty of obstructing the investigation of it, the way Trump is.
You obviously haven't watched (or seen decent reportage of) Comer's hearings in the House. (And -as I've said elsewhere- I expect Missouri v. Biden to be fast-tracked to SCOTUS...) The fall-out from Congressional oversight of the FBI and AG Garland's DoJ could easily impel even die-hard Democrats to counsel Uncle Joe to go...

And, no, Biden's "work" in Ukraine was nothing like what Trump was impeached for... :)
https://youtu.be/S3Ibbq_LG-4
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Reply #108 –
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Besides, as we both know, impeachment never works, so if you want Biden be accountable, why go down the impeachment route?
Perhaps because I remember how Nixon's resignation was achieved! :)
You mean you remember an impeachment there? There wasn't.

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You obviously haven't watched (or seen decent reportage of) Grassley's hearings in the Senate and Jordan's hearings in the House. (And -as I've said elsewhere- I expect Missouri v. Biden to be fast-tracked to SCOTUS...)
Those hearings are a non-thing of zero substance. Also Missouri v. Biden is a non-thing that ends up nowhere.

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...could easily impel even die-hard Democrats to counsel Uncle Joe to go...
This is very puzzling from your perspective. Because, you see, no amount of indictments of any magnitude seem to deter Trump from running for office again. His baggage of litigations and increasing amount of guilty verdicts, according to some commentators, only make him stronger.

Why would impeachments and other proceedings against Biden have an opposite outcome? Based on Trump's example, aren't politicians learning that all attention is good, and criminal litigation is a lot of attention to be welcomed and celebrated?

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Reply #109 –
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You mean you remember an impeachment there? There wasn't.
Perfidious pedantry, ersi, and you know it!
(BTW: Ed Brooke, Massachusetts' Senator, was the first in that chamber to ask for impeachment. He was a black republican!)

I'll await events; but I expect your ass-tute predictions to amount to nothing. :)
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Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_process_against_Richard_Nixon
Thus, while Nixon himself was not impeached, the impeachment process against him is so far the only one that has brought about a president's departure from office.[5][6]
What's the logic here? Nixon was not impeached, but the impeachment worked? While not impeached, it was the only impeachment process that worked?

Either way, the correct conclusion is that impeachment does not work. See all actual impeachment procedures that followed through. Against Nixon, the threat of impeachment worked probably because something moved his conscience. On average politicians do not have conscience — again, see all actual impeachment procedures.

The clearest current example of lack of conscience (and of principle, and of morals etc) is Trump. He was impeached twice. Did not work. He is now amassing guilty verdicts and it still does not look like working. And you worry about Biden's past bribery over Trump's defiant brazen ongoing obstruction of justice, perjury, libellous slander, election lies, election thefts, and criminal incompetence? Goes to prove your lack of conscience (etc) too.

I don't know what could take Trump down, but the establishment is getting more and more determined against him (for good reasons, obviously). Trump will not make it to candidacy.

There is nothing to impeach Biden for.[1] And I predict nothing will emerge to impeach Biden for. Biden will go through his term(s) unimpeached.
1 Certainly nothing when compared to Trump.↵

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Reply #111 –
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the correct conclusion is that impeachment does not work
Your logic is deficient: What do you think the purpose of impeachment is? Is it not removal from office? (If you -I mean you, in particular, ersi- read real closely you'll find that that is what the Constitution calls for, upon conviction by the Senate...)[1]
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you worry about Biden's past bribery
I worry that his corruptions, not his principles[2], will further divide my country — and further pervert its institutions!
(Much of the rest of the world is in a jeopardy peculiarly of his making.)
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over Trump's defiant brazen ongoing obstruction of justice, perjury, libellous slander, election lies, election thefts, and criminal incompetence?
I suspect it's the concepts you cannot grasp, rather than the words you misuse, that make you so vehement! Isn't Putin villain enough for you? :)
Actually -now that I think of it- it's likely the mere fact of Trump's defiance that drives your animosity: He's an unrepentant American who won't kow-tow to his "betters"...[3]
1 I know you'd prefer a firing squad for Trump! :) But your level of venom is rare, in the U.S.↵
2 Whatever they might be... (I'm frequently told, nowadays, that he loves his son!)↵
3 That hurts your feelings, and you can't help but feel outraged! :)↵
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Your logic is deficient: What do you think the purpose of impeachment is? Is it not removal from office?
And how many removals from office have impeachments resulted in? Zero.

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I worry that his corruptions, not his principles, will further divide my country — and further pervert its institutions!
Why do you worry that his corruptions would be bad for the country, while in contrast you felt good about Trump's "successes" (such as smearing of opponents, obstruction of justice by firing investigators, witness tampering and eventually insurrection to steal the election)?

Trump is obviously worse in character than Biden, so instead of corruption it is something else you are worrying about. What could it be? Yup, Republicans good, Democrats bad.

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(Much of the rest of the world is in a jeopardy peculiarly of his making.)
Your agenda is Q.

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Isn't Putin villain enough for you? :)
In my neighbourhood, Putin's the worst villain and Trump is his poodle. And American Congress is full of cowards that they took up the "perfect phone call" with Ukraine for impeachment instead of the more serious collusion with Russia. Or the more obvious tax evasion.

I wish impeachment worked. History shows it never works. History shows that assassination works, but things will not go that far this time. Nobody wants to make Trump more of a martyr than he already is.

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Reply #113 –
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Your agenda is Q.
Which reminds me:


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Virgin Islands Non-Voting Representative Stacey Plaskett was called out for taking money from Jeffrey Epstein, the disgraced sex trafficker who may or may not have killed himself.
[...]
Last month, reporting from the Washington Free Beacon’s Chuck Ross revealed that Plaskett took money from Epstein even after he was a convicted sex offender, and met with him personally. As Ross reported:

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Plaskett met Epstein numerous times after her entry into politics in 2014, visiting Epstein's office in the Virgin Islands and his New York City townhouse, she said in a deposition last month [May 2023]. The meetings occurred years after Epstein's conviction on child sex crimes was publicly known, but Plaskett nonetheless met the registered sex offender to solicit campaign donations for herself and Democratic committees. Though she has denied knowing Epstein contributed to her campaign, emails revealed in court documents show her directing a fundraising consultant to ensure Epstein is invited to her fundraiser. "I would be grateful for his support," Plaskett wrote in the July 2018 email.

Details of the relationship are revealed in court documents released as part of a lawsuit the government of the Virgin Islands filed against JPMorgan, where Epstein banked for years. Emails released in the case show that Epstein jumped at a request in 2014 to help Plaskett in her underdog campaign.

When it was initially reported that Plaskett took money from Epstein, she lied and denied having any knowledge of the donation whatsoever, claiming to have only then just learned about it in the media.
(source)

Which is preferable, the syntactical mush Harris spews or the entitlement that oozes from Plaskett — with nary a hint of self-awareness? :) (At least Plaskett can't vote in the House...)

But perhaps you're right about one thing: Read Roger Kimball's piece in the current Spectator. :)
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Reply #114 –
So, is connection with Epstein always bad or, yes, unconditionally as a matter of principle, except when Trump does it? (Namely, Mar-a-Lago was a major hub of Epstein's activities until he acquired his island.)

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Reply #115 –
You're hopeless and helpless! :) So, I'll spell it out for you: Guilt by association alone is — dare I say it, a fallacy?
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Reply #116 –
Therefore everything you wrote one post ago was a fallacy. Namely, Trump's association with Epstein goes far deeper than that between Plaskett and Epstein. Projection is superstrong in you. And when will you finally learn your fallacies? Never.

In the latter half of 90's, Trump and Epstein were in the same business area.[1] There are photos and videos of them visiting each other's homes in Palm Beach as privileged guests. One might even say the were friends. Almost as good as sharing the same bed when you think about it. Epstein's first conviction stems from evidence dated to the same era and to the same place.

So, what I get from you is that when some non-descript politician who you do not like (why? because of the islands she is from, even though it is a US colony so you should feel like a boss there? or because of her skin colour?) is associated with Epstein via a political donation (she is a politician, duh), that's bad, but when Trump and Epstein party together, then, well, Epstein might still be bad (again, why? because you were not invited to the party?) whereas Trump has successes and glory and honour and is pure as angel. In short, sheer partisan bullshit blather from you as usual.

I personally very much resent the fact that Ghislaine Maxwell (also active at the time and place already mentioned) was only convicted of pimping to Epstein. As everybody who looked into it knows, Epstein was pimping further to a very wide circle of political and business elite, so it can be concluded that the conviction of Maxwell was a hush-down and a cover-up.
1 Epstein: Pimping. Trump: Beauty pageants, the legal version of the same thing.↵

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Reply #117 –
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what I get from you is that when some non-descript politician who you do not like (why? because of the islands she is from, even though it is a US colony so you should feel like a boss there? or because of her skin colour?) is associated with Epstein via a political donation (she is a politician, duh), that's bad, but when Trump and Epstein party together, then, well, Epstein might still be bad (again, why? because you were not invited to the party?) whereas Trump has successes and glory and honour and is pure as angel. In short, sheer partisan bullshit blather from you as usual.
I'm afraid your excess verbiage didn't quite obscure your question: Why do I dislike the Gentlewoman from the Virgin Islands of the United States?
Two reasons. One, her pretentious preening about her "privileged position" as an excuse to dismiss the proceedings... That would be bad enough! But, two[1], it was she who applied Ye Olde Guilt-by-Association schtick[2], in the first place!
(What? Guilt-by-Association isn't in your little handbook of Approved Fallacies? Who to blame, Aristotle or the Churchmen? You decide; or see if you can procure an updated edition!)
1 However did you miss this? Shall I call you Dobbin? :)↵
2 What, is that Yiddish!? I must be antisemitic, too! (At least, a Cultural Appropriator...)↵
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Reply #118 –
Guilt by association is an informal fallacy. This means you cannot just call it out and think you proved something. That would be acting like a doofus.

When the association is close enough, then the implication of guilt is solid. For example when you work for a mafia boss, then that association by itself is guilt.

It's a fallacy when the association is insufficient, say Trump and Epstein are neighbours and that's it, no other connection. However, in the actual reality Trump and Epstein were neighbours and business associates and personal friends for at least a decade or so, incidentally the exact same decade and location when Epstein's crimes are known to have taken place.

This applies to all informal fallacies: They depend on the content or context of the argument.

Another example: When I demonstrate by facts and evidence that you're a doofus, then this is not an ad hominem fallacy. Nope, it's an evidence-based argument that you're a doofus.

You may want to add a little note about it in your little handbook.

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Reply #119 –
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Guilt by association is an informal fallacy. This means you cannot just call it out and think you proved something. That would be acting like a doofus.

When the association is close enough, then the implication of guilt is solid.
Hence the phrase, "close enough for government work"! Your explication is itself fallacious: Essentially, "if only I could find it, I'm sure there's guilt there; hence you should believe me when I say there's guilt there!" Come now: Either there's convincing evidence or there isn't. What I should believe doesn't go beyond accepting that you believe there's guilt there...
At least, in American criminal law.
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Reply #120 –
This was not the first time I explained informal fallacies to you. But it was the last time. You remain a doofus.

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Your explication is itself fallacious: Essentially, "if only I could find it, I'm sure there's guilt there; hence you should believe me when I say there's guilt there!" Come now: Either there's convincing evidence or there isn't. What I should believe doesn't go beyond accepting that you believe there's guilt there...
Unfortunately, it is not "if only..." It's there. But I do not expect a doofus who did not notice the worldwide televised insurrection to acknowledge any facts that are subtler, untelevised.

In your spare time, take a look at the Prince Andrew interview. Trump has had a closer association with Epstein than Prince Andrew, except Prince Andrew continued the association after Epstein's conviction. Prince Andrew thinks that he can get away by emphasising that he (Andrew) was more into Ghislaine (who was not convicted yet) than into Epstein, or by turning "a party" into "a dinner" and other funny little stuff that. The way he explains away a revealing photo is heavyweight tragicomedy masterclass.

Look at it. There's no guilt by association fallacy there. There's guilt by association. Period. And it's an injustice that they fail to prosecute. Given the nature of Trump's relationship with Epstein, Trump has more explanation to do in order to avoid guilt, not less.

But, as said, I do not expect you to acknowledge anything or agree with me. You are an insistent and consistent doofus, proudly so.

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Reply #121 –
Let's back up a bit:
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When the association is close enough, then the implication of guilt is solid. For example when you work for a mafia boss, then that association by itself is guilt.
Absent a prohibition imposed on association as a condition of parole, working for a Mafia boss is not illegal... Your reasoning is deficient.
But you know that, surely?!
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In your spare time, take a look at the Prince Andrew interview.
Why on Earth would I care about Prince Andrew? (Or Epstein, for that matter?)
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But I do not expect a doofus who did not notice the worldwide televised insurrection to acknowledge any facts that are subtler, untelevised.
I'm well used to your expectations! :) You saw an insurrection, I saw a riot. I wasn't glued to the television, like some. But I will add that "worldwide televised" is an apt modification of the bald assertion. I'd add "scripted" — which was why the second impeachment of Trump fizzled: Pelosi and Bowser both rejected additional security; and to keep them (their reasons) safe from examination under oath the House prosecutors decided to forgo witnesses entirely.
I'm sure some found the heavily produced docu-drama they screened compelling. But you can't cross-examine a "based on real events" production. (As you're likely unaware, I'll remind you: An impeachment trial offers all the usual rights to the defendant — whether you like it or not.) So, as evidence, it was akin to hearsay.

BTW: Your definition of "doofus" must perforce distill to "doesn't accept your half-baked logic". (Glad to see you enlarging your vocabulary! Sorry to see you apply your usual slipshod standards.)

It will be interesting to see the cases revolving around the "fake electors" trope play out. (Perhaps Jack Smith can return to the Hague? :) )
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Absent a prohibition imposed on association as a condition of parole, working for a Mafia boss is not illegal... Your reasoning is deficient.
But you know that, surely?!
Your involvement in mafia may not be criminal, such as an errand boy, but you're a mafia errand boy. There are plenty of things that are legal, but are faults involving guilt nonetheless, e.g. cheating on one's spouse is legal across almost all Western countries. You suffer from a severe case of legal cretinism.

Prince Andrew was Epstein's client. Trump is a convicted rapist, proud self-proclaimed pussy-grabber and Epstein's business associate. No guilt? (A rhetorical question. Not asking anything from you.)

I don't care if it's legal or not. I care if it's moral or not. But you're a Trumpite, so of course your standard is Trump or not and Republican or not. If Trump, it's all good, macho magnifico.

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Why on Earth would I care about Prince Andrew? (Or Epstein, for that matter?)
You don't remember that you brought Epstein up yesterday? Add a note about deficient memory in your little notebook so you can remind yourself every day.

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And the documentary stressed at regular intervals that Blacks need to know this, take their history back and be proud of it. I mean, knowing that you greatly contributed to shooting natives, what is there to be proud of? Why demand recognition for it?
"Shooting natives is a white people thing" (as opposed to a human/colonizer thing) could be a fairly harmful inaccurate bad stereotype/opinion to hold. You could do a lot worse than correct it.

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Reply #124 –
It's one thing to correct a historical stereotype, in this case correct the seeming universality of white swans by pointing out the black swans. It's another to say that the black swans are a matter of pride.

The focus of the documentary was the latter at least as much as the former. One is history, the other is history in the service of propaganda.