The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga

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Reply #1450 – 2016-09-27, 22:08:01

For what it counts the entire civilized world considered that Clinton was less bad than Trump.
To me, it's indifferent.

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Reply #1451 – 2016-09-28, 01:00:07

Didn't watch the boring process although the news channels here also boringly gave excerpts. Ultimately I think that Belfrager has a very concise and very practical point in making not much of a difference who wins as it is a farce.

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Reply #1452 – 2016-09-28, 01:51:29

Quote from: midnight raccoon on 2016-09-27, 09:57:13

If he gets agitated in the debates; how his he going to be able to handle the fiendishly clever President Putin or Xi Jinping. I suspect the answer is that he won't. Putin will play him (and by extension America) for the fool he is. I don't know much about Xi Jinping, but suspect the same outcome.

Presidents have their scripted role and less predictable characters have their handlers. W definitely had.

The thing is, Trump used to be a businessman and those guys have to have some negotiating ability. I believe he has some of that. It's just that business negotiations have a totally different aim and character than political and diplomatic meetings. Prez Trump would be kept on short leash by his team lest the country would fall over too soon.

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Reply #1453 – 2016-09-28, 14:01:21

One problem issue is the tension between America and Russia which is the worst for a while. Burt part of that issue is that the US does not like anywhere that challenges their self opinionated world dominance. Trump may well be able to get on with Russia and I see nothing principally wrong with that at all. Clinton on the other hand is full of hawkishness to the point of stupidity. On a general situation apart from those over in the messed ex-colonies having concerns about a non-politician being a candidate part of that is due to an increasing fed up attitude with the system as it now is. Or is it being said that tens of millions in America are brainless? they are fed up is more to the point! On the Clinton side there are a lot of people who do not trust her at all and grudgingly going to vote for her. Both in polls see people who are not happy about either of them. atall and says much too doesn't it??

The whole thing is geared up to both the big political conglomerates and the democrats are just as up to their ear in the corporate corner as the Republicans. No-one else can get involved in the tv debate if less than 15%. Pathetic control at it's worse. Now i am not suggesting that every other party can be on stage but this is ridiculous control mind-set stuff. Clinton will probably win but it will not make a damn difference to the mass numbers of people at the bottom of things and will increase world tensions the way she goes on.

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Reply #1454 – 2016-09-29, 14:49:23

Now Trump has a new conspiracy theory. He thinks Google is plotting against him and somehow thinks it suppresses bad news about Clinton, despite the fact negative articles about her shows up regularly....) He not only has no grasp of policy whatsoever, but is also a paranoid nutcase. How anyone can support him remains a mystery. Can stomach Hillary? Vote Johnson, instead of this man prone to delusional fantasies and the most outrageous conspiracy theories. In Oakdale's case, it won't matter because Clinton will carry California regardless.

Did anyone hear about the possibility Trump will use Bill Clinton's affairs against Hillary, despite that he's thrice married and admitted to adultery. Him and his campaign are truly cuckoo for cocoa puffs.

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Reply #1455 – 2016-09-29, 16:50:20

I wonder if loonie still thinks Cruz's father was involved in JFK's assassination?

What an insane moron

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Reply #1456 – 2016-09-30, 00:24:39

Okay we all know that trump is very, very rich but how does one explain the deep involvement by the corporate money corner with Clinton? It is the impression being given that the 2 aimers for the White House are the two most controversial for many a year??

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Reply #1457 – 2016-09-30, 03:19:09

Because both candidates are this bad, Howie. I think you would gave needed to watch the debate to understand just how bad Trump did, though. This a man barely in control of his own emotions, much less has the stability to lead the country. He now has one excuse after another. I already mentioned that he blamed his mic (has if that has anything to with why his visibly agitated. Now the debate was "rigged" ; his angry at his own supporters for conceding the debate.

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Reply #1458 – 2016-09-30, 04:59:41

It all came down to expectations......It's a known fact, just ask CNN, that Trump hardly prepared for the, just showed up actually, & was only expected to hop over a bar six inches off the ground........being he never had much debating experience except for the primaries.....

~~ whereas ~~

SHillary, because of her countless hours of debate preparation, just ask CNN, her years of litigation experience as a lawyer for prestigious law firms, her years of experience as a Pontificating Senator on the floor of the U.S. Senate, her years of experience as the Secretary of State traveling country to country.....always under intense sniper fire......, those famous countless hours of experience making multi-millions on the Wall Street talk circuit, & never forget her ongoing vast experience in dodging, bobbing, & weaving with the FBI defending herself, against all odds, bobbing, & weaving with the FBI & Congress, defending herself from their allegations regarding her questionable use of a private email server......that experience jousting with some formidable orators with her political life virtually at stake.....wow....that experience was & will be priceless!

Actually, in the end, Shillary needed to do far better than Moses did parting the Red Sea just to treed with her head above water, much less win a debate!

Yep, in the end it was all about expectations.......that was, & will always be, the bottom line.

Poor SHillary, so, so close to that 'Glass Ceiling', yet so, so far away!

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Reply #1459 – 2016-09-30, 14:35:14

Quote from: SmileyFaze on 2016-09-30, 04:59:41

SHillary, because of her countless hours of debate preparation,

Exactly. When you're going to have to deal with Congress, President Putin, etc you need to come prepared. Are you trying to spin Trump showing up unprepared like a jackass as a positive? To put it another way, when interviewing candidates for a job, do you hire the one that not only has the experience but has all her ducks in a row for the interview or the jackass that comes unprepared and doesn't seem to have a clue and is visibly agitated throughout the interview and lies multiple time throughout the interview. I would think the answer would be obvious.

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Reply #1460 – 2016-09-30, 17:37:42

Unfortunately I saw the miserable debate live. Hillary deliberately poked Trump and Trump reacted like a total jerk. This, along with the fact that he lies louder, may cost dearly for Hillary. Namely, Americans seem to prefer Trump's behaviour as "human" or maybe even "tough" so that America can be great again. Funny how these things work over the pond.

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Reply #1461 – 2016-09-30, 23:13:11

At his point I think Trump is being counted more serious than he is. I'd say this is far from a wash. That was the debate capt douche needed to take serious and bring together some much needed back pedaling.

I didn't watch it. I tapped out on news coverage of the monkey show long ago.

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Reply #1462 – 2016-10-01, 00:01:23

But -not to worry!- the Dems continue to operate as usual: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/fec-dems-lay-groundwork-to-ban-fox-wsj-political-coverage/article/2603177#!
The reasoning is Orwellian, also par for the course…

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Reply #1463 – 2016-10-01, 01:10:02

Have you also noticed the possible ban on the NY Times? Also this a Democrat, Ellen Weintraub. Not "the dems' I know the article accuses Democrats of having a three year mission to ban conservative media, but doesn't explain other attempts or why liberal media would also be banned under the single Democrat's proposal.

"The Examiner" didn't do much examining and is peddling another paranoid Republican conspiracy theory. The proposal itself is probably unworkable considering how much of media (and other companies) have a degree of foreign ownership, but to say that it singles out conservative outlets for Orwellian purposes seems ridiculous.

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Reply #1464 – 2016-10-01, 02:01:58

I must say midnight that to be honest neither candidate is outstanding and your own polls do show a very concerned number of people living over there who are of that mind in actuality. To be frank i can understand people being fed up with routine politicians because of their actions and tired of the rather condensed political choice. Perhaps a more experienced man for the Republicans who is better than Trump would have been something. At the same time Clinton does not have such a squeaky clean history. So in a sense someone not in the usual routine and failing political system would be a positive change and I fully know how you are not happy with the one that is in the race but you have I am afraid totally swerved the issue of why such a large number of your fellow countrymen are right behind Trump? After all it is not a handful is it byt millions so what does that say about things, eh?At the same time Clinton has a lot of people who cannot make their mind up on her at the same time.

There is a very deep dis-satisfaction with things and sadly with the 2 you have got will make no difference to legions of your own people nor the future. Sanders was a surprise and goes on to show that an awful lot of folk even if still a minority went to him. What things are showing is a deep problem in your political machinery and the Democrats are also very deep in the corporate corner too. Clinton is expected to win due to her "experience" (ho yeah) and the only positive is being the first woman but I do not envy the near future for the USA nor it's global empire. Pity.

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Reply #1465 – 2016-10-01, 03:01:19

I've said it before... It's too bad they outlawed dueling. I could come to respect either candidate more after them having shot their opponent dead.

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Reply #1466 – 2016-10-01, 06:40:12

Then I would await a phone call or email.

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Reply #1467 – 2016-10-02, 02:42:48

Quote from: rjhowie on 2016-10-01, 02:01:58

At the same time Clinton has a lot of people who cannot make their mind up on her at the same time.

The debate is helping a lot of people make their mind against him, as it showed them just what they were supporting. You probably watched some news reports on the telly and maybe read a few articles, right? You would have to have watched it to understand just how bad he did - constantly interrupting, agitated and unable keep his composure. "A lot of people" are in fact making up their minds as go into the home stretch of election.

You ask why people support him? Well, 23 percent of Americans identify themselves as Republicans and would vote for anyone they offered no matter how bad. The remainder like what he has to say about getting tough on China (as ill-advised a trade war with them would be) and renegotiating NAFTA or dropping out of it entirely because they think this would bring manufacturing jobs back to the "Rust Belt." The automakers would build cars in Mexico regardless with or without NAFTA because of how low the wages are there. You can't tax Mexican assembled cars enough to make up the difference.

Another part of the answer is frustration and anger at the political system you mentioned. Yes, people do feel that way. I'm one of them. But let me ask you this, are folks acting out of anger using their best judgement?

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Reply #1468 – 2016-10-02, 04:03:04

I have to say midnight that the Trumpites are not acting very right at all to be directly honest (even if they are unhappy with the system) but they will get more than 23% of the vote I reckon. That is a challenge in itself and a non-traditional candidate would have been a possibility but not him. What one has to ask is how does someone like him get the support he is getting due to that perhaps frustration?

Many are not too sure about Clinton and that has to be noted in polls and she is drifting along as the lesser of two evils because that is what people are getting dumped with and the routine is failing so many people. On a reminder it is also being said isn't it that this is the most unsettling election for some time.

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Reply #1469 – 2016-10-02, 15:45:05

Quote from: ensbb3 on 2016-10-01, 03:01:19

I've said it before... It's too bad they outlawed dueling. I could come to respect either candidate more after them having shot their opponent dead.

IIRC some states ( Kentucky for example ) have laws that disqualify anyone who ever participated in a duel from holding any kind of elected public office.

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Reply #1470 – 2016-10-02, 16:05:46

Quote from: rjhowie on 2016-10-02, 04:03:04

What one has to ask is how does someone like him get the support he is getting due to that perhaps frustration?

Of course it is. He's looking at 40 - 45 percent of the votes.

As unsettling as this election might be, America will saved from Trump's destruction should Hillary win. The guy is mentally unstable. Is it a sane man that obsesses about the former Ms. Universe and proceeds to tweet nasty (and untrue) things about her in the middle of the night? I don't think I have to tell you.

You mentioned before that America and Russia's relationship might improve if Trump wins. I'm not so sure. Putin is bound of offend him at some point (maybe he notes correctly America's economic growth one year is down or something?) I wouldn't put it past Trump to tweet some counterfactual idiocy about Putin or Russia in general at 3 am, too. Hillary and Putin have a lot of wounds to heal together, but long-term I trust her more than Trump because of the latter's temperament.

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Reply #1471 – 2016-10-03, 03:12:13

It is just a very depressing matter that as I said this election is one of the worst for years. That someone like Donald Trump is one of two possibilities is both embarrassing and very, very, sad. It does on a passing note really indicate the hard truth that a political revolution is overdue.

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Reply #1472 – 2016-10-03, 07:42:15

Quote from: rjhowie on 2016-10-02, 19:12:13

It does on a passing note really indicate the hard truth that a political revolution is overdue.

So: Scotland should finally declare their allegiance to the former Soviet Union?

(But Putin's Russia is good enough…) How would you feel, if the Catholics took back their political and economic power, by force?
Of course, you mean by "revolution" something else… Eh?

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Reply #1473 – 2016-10-03, 10:56:41

Quote from: OakdaleFTL on 2016-10-03, 07:42:15

Of course, you mean by "revolution" something else... Eh?

Just a big or sudden change will do. Violence is merely likely.

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Reply #1474 – 2016-10-03, 12:26:02

What do Trump, Clinton, and the-backup-of-Johnson (Johnson claiming another brain fart, presumably thinking of the Fox) have in common? Angela Merkel as their favourite world leader.

Hillary Clinton’s favorite world leader is Angela Merkel