The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga

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Reply #1225 – 2016-08-07, 00:01:20

Can't stop feeling sorry for sensibles over there stuck with hawkish and corporate leaning Clinton as the would-be lesser of two evils and someone like Trump?? What this is all showing to the world is an embarrassment and dreadful thing.

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Reply #1226 – 2016-08-09, 10:12:56

Quote from: OakdaleFTL on 2016-08-06, 06:29:26

Here's the Dems' platform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1joyvbJcI8
(Please watch to the end…)

Once again, we have a meddlesome Republican afraid of everything he doesn't understand. I'll bet that wuss Hillard wets himself on a daily basis at the sight of his own shadow, speaking both literally and metaphorically.

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Reply #1227 – 2016-08-10, 03:19:36

Actually, Sang, I liked the last part: Where Gomez says they may just have saved modern civilization; and Mortisha pauses before saying "Do you think that's a good thing…?"

Anyway: The Donald is at it, again.
Talking about a Hillary Clinton presidency and her effect on the federal judiciary, he said "And there'll be nothing you can do about it! …well, some of the 2nd Amendment folks… I don't know."
Now, mind, everyone I grew up with —liberals, Black Panthers, BLM johnny-come-latelys and good ole boys— would have said the same thing!
Of course, you don't expect it from a candidate for the office himself (…it's a long time since we had someone like Burr contend). And you know what offends me the most?
Trump stuck his foot in his mouth again. But this time he explained he was only trimming his toe-nails…

BTW: The running joke was, GHW Bush (Bill Clinton, GW Bush, Barack Obama…) didn't need Secret Service protection: Who'd want Dan Quale (Al Gore, Dick Cheney, Joe Biden…) as president?

It's a tradition among us troglodytes, making informed decisions on the basis of democratic principles!

But news outlets are calling Trump's comment a "veiled threat" against his opponent in the up-coming general election…
There are no adults left commenting on politics anymore: We're all just children bullying or being bullied!
(I blame the XIXth Amendment…

)

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Reply #1228 – 2016-08-10, 08:57:59

I told you some time ago that Trump's mouth would cost him the election. I believe the phrasing was "Say something stupid" or to that effect. You didn't believe me and and tried to rub my nose in the have that the idiocy coming from his mouth did seem to be impacting his poll numbers. Believe me yet? He's one confuses not bowing to political correctness with just saying any ignorant thing he feels like at the time, and I think he just ways whatever his crowd wants to hear at the time.

Of course, you know that even with Hillary's rise the polls, more people are planning on voting against Trump than actively for Hillary.

Also, I heard some noise about the #nevertrump Republicans putting together a campaign, caring more about keeping a potentially dangerous man out of the office than getting the Republican candidate elected (or maybe they realize he's going down in landslide so badly that it actually won't matter for the final results...) and supposedly they have big money backers. But I guess we'll see what happens with this. If this pans out, it at least gives you somebody sane to support.

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Reply #1229 – 2016-08-10, 09:26:08

I supported somebody sane from the git-go! (His name was Cruz…) Your delusions are consistent, Sang; as are my values, and valuations…
When -and if- Hillary wins the presidency, you'll be sorry. (Excuse me: I was going to say your kids would be… But why would you care?

)

I do miss when politics was less of a "contact" sport…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUnHZAUR6hE

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Reply #1230 – 2016-08-10, 13:23:26

You just can't admit that I'm right about anything. Every week Trump just digs himself deeper in,

Right now, based on the polls of the individual states, the electoral college maps looks much like 2012 in which Obama won 332 electoral votes to Romney's 206 although Clinton seems to have started to lead in North Carolina for an additional 15 electoral votes. Trump is toast, done in by his own mouth. Yes, the current map has 246 votes so far for Clinton. But when you check the states, some "toss-up" states aren't really toss-ups.

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Reply #1231 – 2016-08-10, 13:49:46

Republican campaign tactics is to not mention Trump at all. This way he might have a chance.

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Reply #1232 – 2016-08-10, 14:54:31

But his strategy is to stay in the news. It worked well for him in the Republican in primaries. As a group, those are low information voters that actually want to hear his idiocy. In the general election, this is hurting him bad.

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Reply #1233 – 2016-08-10, 15:27:41

Of course Trump must speak some. He is the candidate after all. But Repub campaign supporters, such as Oakdale and SF here, only talk about Hillary and how the word democracy and its derivatives have bad associations in various ways.

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Reply #1234 – 2016-08-12, 05:04:45

Quote from: midnight raccoon on 2016-08-10, 08:57:59

Of course, you know that even with Hillary's rise the polls, more people are planning on voting against Trump than actively for Hillary.

She's been some kind of republican lite until Sanders pushed her to the left anyway. And she'll probably revert to that once elected.

Quote from: midnight raccoon on 2016-08-10, 08:57:59

Also, I heard some noise about the #nevertrump Republicans putting together a campaign, caring more about keeping a potentially dangerous man out of the office than getting the Republican candidate elected (or maybe they realize he's going down in landslide so badly that it actually won't matter for the final results...) and supposedly they have big money backers. But I guess we'll see what happens with this. If this pans out, it at least gives you somebody sane to support.

They probably think the backlash against senate and house republicans if drumpf got elected would be worse than clinton getting the job.

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Reply #1235 – 2016-08-12, 07:45:41

I just watched a commercial that said Trump was too irrational for us to give him the "nuclear codes"… Bill Clinton "misplaced" them for a few days, during his presidency. I'm sure Hillary knew nothing about it…

You're wrong, Mac, that Mrs. Clinton is some kind of "Republican lite": She's the common variety Democrat. The sort who uses anything and everything, to get what she wants…
But I don't worry! (I expect she'll stroke out within a few months of taking office.)

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Reply #1236 – 2016-08-12, 11:01:49

Quote from: OakdaleFTL on 2016-08-12, 07:45:41

But I don't worry! (I expect she'll stroke out within a few months of taking office.)

You'll be happy with her vice president for the rest of the term?

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Reply #1237 – 2016-08-12, 18:07:40

Quote from: OakdaleFTL on 2016-08-12, 07:45:41

(I expect she'll stroke out within a few months of taking office.)

Hmmmm. Trump lite comment.

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Reply #1238 – 2016-08-13, 17:38:21

Quote from: OakdaleFTL on 2016-08-12, 07:45:41

She's the common variety Democrat. The sort who uses anything and everything, to get what she wants…

I think you might consider adding "modern" in between "variety" and "Democrat". After all, Slick Willy was a "3rd Way" Democrat, rather than the previously "traditional" Democrat.

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Reply #1239 – 2016-08-13, 19:23:09

Clinton is a bossy boots strident hawk.

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Reply #1240 – 2016-08-13, 20:06:14

Quote from: rjhowie on 2016-08-13, 19:23:09

Clinton is a bossy boots strident hawk.

Can't wait to hear your commentary about Mrs. May.

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Reply #1241 – 2016-08-13, 22:03:09

November is approaching.
Nothing new will arrive, both clowns are the different faces of the same coin.

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Reply #1242 – 2016-08-13, 22:36:39

Quote from: Belfrager on 2016-08-13, 22:03:09

November is approaching.
Nothing new will arrive, both clowns are the different faces of the same coin.

If I didn't know any better........., I'd think you were an American.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8Kyi0WNg40[/video]

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Reply #1243 – 2016-08-14, 00:01:02

Quote from: Colonel Rebel on 2016-08-13, 09:38:21

I think you might consider adding "modern" in between "variety" and "Democrat". After all, Slick Willy was a "3rd Way" Democrat, rather than the previously "traditional" Democrat.

Granted: Hubert Humphrey was seen, when he ran, as a committed Liberal… (I remember when we used to call them that!) But, back then, the Democrat party had yet to fall under the sway of the loons.
If you'd care to do some reading, you'll easily find that Barry Goldwater would have made a good president. Humphrey would have too; instead, we got Johnson (also a consummate politician) and Nixon…

Politics is a funny business.

In Bill Clinton's favor, I'd say he was a real politician: Doing the possible, within the constraints of political reality. (Welfare reform and the budget reductions — as well as the growing economy — came mostly from Newt Gingrich's leadership in the House of Representatives… Clinton gets the credit, for caving to a unstoppable force: The Power of the Purse, which is how it was always supposed to work. —Lately, Newt has gone off the rails… But he was always a "big ideas" guy!

For instance, I liked the idea of a colony on the moon! Of course, the Lunies would claim anti-colonial status, shouting "Earthmen, go home!" </end stream-of-consciousness rant>)

What Clinton did -I think- was enable the cynics to openly try to rule. There is the genesis of the Trump candidacy: As RJ would say, "Sad!" (Had no one noticed that they were cynics, we could have been Scotland!) But. instead, we became the U.S. that RJ rails against… Because he won't look at what's happening closer to home.
Impotence is what it is.

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Reply #1244 – 2016-08-14, 15:25:31

For tens of millions (at least) it will make no damn difference whether the hawkish, gung-ho world hawk or the comedian get the White House. Indeed if I was a betting man I would see strongly that at the end of Clinton's first term if we looked back we would stil see economic problems the tens of millions of poor and on food stamps the SS, oops police still gunning away and so on. The present corporate two-party lot are not doing anything for far too many Americans and after well over 2 centuries any principles lauded after the Boston tea party lot have still to be seen by many. Mind you the people who did that dumping were from a cumfy background and Freemasons (hence that lot's symbol on the banknotes!).

Clinton will also get people voting for her not because they want to and only because Trump is what he damn well is and not on any deep principle which shows the deep problems with what passes a system for many people.

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Reply #1245 – 2016-08-14, 16:32:38

Quote from: rjhowie on 2016-08-14, 07:25:31

the SS, oops police still gunning away and so on

Calumny is your main mode of expression, RJ… Were we a wee little half an island, there'd be far fewer police shootings.

Quote from: rjhowie on 2016-08-14, 07:25:31

The present corporate two-party lot are not doing anything for far too many Americans and after well over 2 centuries any principles lauded after the Boston tea party lot have still to be seen by many.

I take it your family's fortune went into the harbor that night? (At long last, I understand your animosity!

) Not much more than two centuries ago, your lot were just recovering from a religious civil war… And you yourself have mentioned how well Scotland is doing, politically and economically, nowadays — thanks to your "wider" democracy!

Quote from: rjhowie on 2016-08-14, 07:25:31

Clinton will also get people voting for her […] not on any deep principle which shows the deep problems with what passes a system for many people.

You seem to see a lack of "deep principle" whenever someone disagrees with you… You're a Democrat at heart! (A Marxist, actually. But so un-read as to be unaware.)

BTW: What's wrong with Freemasonry?

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Reply #1246 – 2016-08-15, 00:26:33

You would have been a great Goldwater fan boy. Anything outside of the two money corporate corners (Republican and Democrat) are Reds to your kind of mindset. As for Freemasonry that was a contributory factor in that rebellion started by the Boston Tea Party. As I pointed out they were from a cumfy money side and freemasonry so part of that set and the local freemasons were part of it hence as I also pointed out their motif on the dollars. So a secret society full of more affluent members of the colony did what suited them.

When one considers the numbers of Americans who's loyalty to stuff brained into them from young and suffering it makes an awful contradiction of the whole farce. You stopped being colony over two centuries and now there is a larger number suffering poverty, rights being spoiled and watched by the State in a skulduggery control system and a nasty police control. My one consolation is that I am glad we don't have to be bothered not being a colony but you would have thought that after the 2 centuries you would have had a better situation. And now look at what you have in the next election. Trump a world embarrassment and Clinton who is a control freak corporate with people only voting for her who don't want Trump but no alternative to her. Freemasonry has played it's part and a sad matter to boot!

That Sanders did so well shows one that the fact that so many are fed up with the system but stuck under Wall Street control is an indictment on a very limited form of democracy that is coming to more of an attention. Your people do deserve a lot better than they are getting and what a damnable choice they will be stuck with later in the year. I feel sorry for them. Masons? - Bah.