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I got the feeling you really don't get American politics

Of the 301 Republicans in the new Congress, only one – freshman Rep. Lee Zeldin of New York’s 1st District – is not a Christian. Zeldin, who is Jewish, will have far less seniority than the one Jewish Republican to serve in the 113th Congress, former House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Va., who was defeated in his district’s GOP primary.

Fully two-thirds of the Republicans in the 114th Congress (202 members, or 67%) are Protestant, about a quarter are Catholic (81, or 27%), and 5% are Mormon (14).

Democrats in the new Congress are somewhat more religiously diverse than Republicans, though not as diverse as the population as a whole. Of the 234 Democrats in the 114th Congress, 104 (44%) are Protestant, 83 (35%) are Catholic, 27 (12%) are Jewish, two (1%) are Mormon, two are Buddhist, two are Muslim, one is Hindu and one does not identify with a particular religion.

Just 6 percent of people say they have a lot of confidence in the media, putting the news industry about equal to Congress and well below the public's view of other institutions.
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"You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time."
- Abraham Lincoln

A kind of roundabout and maybe not harmfully intended claim on Belfrager. Our outpost on the Inerian Peninsular is intelligent but apart from thatand in general, American politics is in essence a hypocritical joke never mind kindergarten mind level. 

(Insert joke about Cameron and a Swine here)

At least we can vote on staying ir leaving and if you tried that over the pond there would be a civil war......

Like the usual ex-colonsist on this forum you follow the traditionof always ignoring what you cannot answer or are guilty of Southern infant. You know that a referendum would not be allowed anywhere in nutjobland if there was a strong calle from a State.  I am a Bexit fan but I think that jimbro is probably correct in that we will see the Referendum won by the In lot. As for that Obama character coming over here and sticking his neb into our business I would chase the fool. Americans would go bananas and being told what to do on sovereignty. The EU is a mess and been in a financial one for about 6 years and no sign of improving. And it is corrupt as well as not being democratic (a bit like the US)and the books have not been cleared by auditors for 18 years. Disgraceful.

I hope that Trump wins.
It would clarify many things.

I would like to say dissolve NATO entirely as a coldwar relic. but with a resurgent Russia and increased instability in the Middle East, that doesn't seem possible.

All of those excellent healthcare systems nearly all of Europe has? They'd be decimated under a President Trump.
He has stated repeatedly that regarding European defense, he wants Europe to foot most of the bill for NATO. That would take away a lot of funds for keeping up such magnificent healthcare systems.......

All of those excellent healthcare systems nearly all of Europe has? They'd be decimated under a President Trump.
He has stated repeatedly that regarding European defense, he wants Europe to foot most of the bill for NATO.

Russia poses an existential threat to the United States.
- Secretary of Defense Ashton Carter

President Obama and Donald Trump rarely agree on foreign policy. Yet they share one core belief: Our closest allies in Europe are exploiting U.S. military might.
Trump says NATO should be renegotiated: It is “obsolete” and “unfair . . . to the United States . . . because we pay a disproportionate share.”
Obama has criticized Trump’s stance. Yet for years the president has been conducting his own NATO renegotiation — including demanding European leadership in the Libyan operation and telling Prime Minister David Cameron that if Britain wants to maintain the Anglo-American “special relationship,” it must increase defense spending to the recommended NATO minimum of 2 percent of gross domestic product. His explanation? “Free riders aggravate me.”
But Trump and Obama are both wrong. Although more foreign policy spending is always welcome, Europe already assumes more than its fair share of the regional security burden. It invests not only in its military but also in crucial geo-economic and institutional instruments that the United States does not possess — but needs. In this respect, the United States freerides on European power.

Consider the facts.

Quote from: Colonel Rebel on 2016-05-11, 02:14:12

All of those excellent healthcare systems nearly all of Europe has? They'd be decimated under a President Trump.
He has stated repeatedly that regarding European defense, he wants Europe to foot most of the bill for NATO. That would take away a lot of funds for keeping up such magnificent healthcare systems.......

Did I miss a sarcasm tag?

• Brazil's equivalent of the speaker of the house, Waldir Maranhão, basically calls backsies on an impeachment vote his predecessor in the house held against President Dilma Rousseff. I mean that literally: He said the vote to impeach Rousseff was "annulled."
• The leader of the senate, Renan Calheiros, then rejects Maranhão's annulment, and says he's going ahead with a senate vote on Rousseff's impeachment anyway.
• Maranhão's party threatens to kick him out, as they support Rousseff's impeachment.
• Maranhão sends a letter to Calheiros saying he has canceled his annulment, and that the old house impeachment vote stands. He gives no explanation as to why he changed his mind.