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Title: Marijuana Laws in the United States
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2014-01-05, 18:11:23
Marijuana is only legal for personal use in two states, Washington and Colorado. It is authorized for medical purposes in a number of other states.

Never having used it, I don't have a horse in this race, but support legalization because it strikes me as no worse than the use of alcohol.

What think you?
Title: Re: Marijuana Laws in the United States
Post by: myminpins on 2014-01-05, 18:20:50
I've said the same thing for years. Thankfully, penalties aren't so harsh in Canada. I'd rather see a bunch of people stoned and happy than raging and fighting because they drank too much.  Marijuana also tends to keep people in one place so they'd be less likely to drug and drive, IMHO.

I've known people who use marijuana for social purposes on occasion for years. It's NOT a gateway drug. No one I've ever known has gone on to harder drugs because of weed.  Most still smoke weed and are well into their 50s and up. Most only use it occasionally and in small amounts.  None of them EVER gets in a fight or has any injury because of weed.

I always thought the war on drugs in the USA was stupid and I still do.  How it can be legal to drink yet illegal to smoke week just makes no sense. 

Yes, long-term HEAVY use of marijuana can be very harmful as it does damage the brain over time but light, social use is no worse for you than having a couple of drinks occasionally EXCEPT it's hard on the lungs if you smoke it.

If you can, you should eat it  :)

The fact it works on horrendous pain is amazing. I'd much rather see people a bit stoned and out of pain than zonked out of their minds in a stupor from heavy doses of very strong painkillers and then addicted for life.

By the way, marijuana isn't addictive.  What's usually addictive is the tobacco people mix it with when they smoke it.

And the money the gov't could make off the stuff if they legalized it would be amazing.  It's a win/win unless they made it so it's like the Canadian medical crap which I hear is so weak it's useless.
Title: Re: Marijuana Laws in the United States
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2014-01-05, 18:38:28
I've said the same thing for years. Thankfully, penalties aren't so harsh in Canada.

Any chance that it'll be fully legalized?

One late night comedian here is having fun with Toronto mayor Rob Ford, but Ford does more than smoke weed.
Title: Re: Marijuana Laws in the United States
Post by: Frenzie on 2014-01-05, 18:43:13
I've known people who use marijuana for social purposes on occasion for years. It's NOT a gateway drug.

Even if it were (in the US), it'd quit being one if you legalized it. In the Netherlands they never properly legalized growing pot; that is, basically only amateur growers are allowed to sell and commercial farming operations aren't. Now it turns out criminals have started growing them larger scale inside homes similar to how they do in the US. Although because of the law a criminal might just be a home grower who upped the ante on their operation; it's hard to tell.

I always thought the war on drugs in the USA was stupid and I still do.  How it can be legal to drink yet illegal to smoke week just makes no sense.

Many people make money "fighting" drugs, from prisons to the DEA.

Yes, long-term HEAVY use of marijuana can be very harmful as it does damage the brain over time but light, social use is no worse for you than having a couple of drinks occasionally EXCEPT it's hard on the lungs if you smoke it.

To my knowledge, the latest research says that applies only to adolescents; that is, chronic use during adolescence causes brain damage, but chronic use by adults apparently doesn't do a thing.
Title: Re: Marijuana Laws in the United States
Post by: myminpins on 2014-01-05, 18:50:24

Many people make money "fighting" drugs, from prisons to the DEA.


Oh, I know. The prisons are overflowing with minor drug users, which is absolutely ridiculous, IMHO. What a waste of everyone's time and money.

To my knowledge, the latest research says that applies only to adolescents; that is, chronic use during adolescence causes brain damage, but chronic use by adults apparently doesn't do a thing.


That rings a bell so is probably true. I just know that heavy use of just about anything can damage you in one way or another and I do know that heavy use of marijuana does affect your ability to concentrate and keep on track. I saw that firsthand with someone who stopped smoking it all the time. The difference was amazing in their attention span and ability to stay on task.
Title: Re: Marijuana Laws in the United States
Post by: Frenzie on 2014-01-05, 20:16:54
Well sure, whether it's alcohol, THC, or just some vitamins, it tends to take more than a night's sleep for something to pass through and out of your system completely.
Title: Re: Marijuana Laws in the United States
Post by: myminpins on 2014-01-05, 21:23:41

Well sure, whether it's alcohol, THC, or just some vitamins, it tends to take more than a night's sleep for something to pass through and out of your system completely.

???????

This was a process I watched happen over months, not days, and it took years for this person to become that way -- and months for the effects to slowly start to wear off.
Title: Re: Marijuana Laws in the United States
Post by: Frenzie on 2014-01-05, 22:17:42
Months? Hm, interesting. It does take the brain/body a while to adjust to such things of course.
Title: Re: Marijuana Laws in the United States
Post by: myminpins on 2014-01-05, 22:23:11

Months? Hm, interesting. It does take the brain/body a while to adjust to such things of course.

Well, it's been documented that THC "Some THC metabolites have an elimination half-life of 20 hours. However, some are stored in body fat and have a elimination half-life of 10 to 13 days. Most researchers agree that urine tests for marijuana can detect the presence of the drug in the body for up to 13 days."

This person had been a very heavy marijuana user for years and was only 23 years old at the time of the change so might be considered a teen or child so maybe that's why the effects were stronger or however you want to qualify it.

I will say that, after awhile, it seemed the effects were completely and totally gone and now that that person only smokes it in small quantities socially, the effects have never come back.

I know it's only anecdotal evidence but, to me, it made a big impact.
Title: Re: Marijuana Laws in the United States
Post by: Frenzie on 2014-01-05, 22:29:18
However, some are stored in body fat and have a elimination half-life of 10 to 13 days.

So theoretically you could remain under the influence for two weeks? Heh, that's kinda creepy.

This person had been a very heavy marijuana user for years and was only 23 years old at the time of the change so might be considered a teen or child so maybe that's why the effects were stronger or however you want to qualify it.

Yes, at 23 you're still only just out of adolescence.
Title: Re: Marijuana Laws in the United States
Post by: myminpins on 2014-01-06, 20:15:15


Yes, at 23 you're still only just out of adolescence.

Scary thought since I had my first child at age 24.  LOL
Title: Re: Marijuana Laws in the United States
Post by: SmileyFaze on 2014-01-18, 01:06:25
Legalize it.......pure & simple.  (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/smokindope002.gif)

This way Obama can tax it, the Republicans (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/smokindope.gif)  wouldn't care, & the National debt would fall by the wayside.  (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/hookah.gif)
Title: Re: Marijuana Laws in the United States
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2014-01-18, 14:47:03
Thankfully, penalties aren't so harsh in Canada.

Only the weather is more harsh in Canada. Go Canadiens and Maple Leafs!
Title: Re: Marijuana Laws in the United States
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2014-01-18, 14:48:53
To my knowledge, the latest research says that applies only to adolescents; that is, chronic use during adolescence causes brain damage, but chronic use by adults apparently doesn't do a thing.

So do Scotch and gin.
Title: Re: Marijuana Laws in the United States
Post by: Frenzie on 2014-01-19, 21:52:59
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Title: Re: Marijuana Laws in the United States
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2014-01-20, 18:58:12
Quote from: Frenzie on 2014-01-05, 19:43:13
To my knowledge, the latest research says that applies only to adolescents; that is, chronic use during adolescence causes brain damage, but chronic use by adults apparently doesn't do a thing.
So do Scotch and gin.

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Re: Marijuana Laws in the United States
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Title: Re: Marijuana Laws in the United States
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2014-02-24, 14:09:08
I just know that heavy use of just about anything can damage you in one way or another

I forgot to mention that the heavy use of pasta is damaging, too.
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Title: Re: Marijuana Laws in the United States
Post by: rjhowie on 2014-02-25, 03:26:15
A lot over the water seem to have that in their brains.
Title: Re: Marijuana Laws in the United States
Post by: SmileyFaze on 2014-02-25, 04:23:32

A lot over the water seem to have that in their brains.


Better that than black pudding & haggis in each cheek, enough to gag a maggot, & cause a vulture to fall over dead from the stench.
Title: Re: Marijuana Laws in the United States
Post by: rjhowie on 2014-02-28, 02:54:37
I don't like haggis. Anyway that coming from a country with grits? Yeuch.
Title: Re: Marijuana Laws in the United States
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2014-02-28, 11:55:51
Blame the damned Indians!
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Grits refers to a ground-corn food of Native American origin, that is common in the Southern United States and eaten mainly at breakfast. Modern grits are commonly made of alkali-treated corn known as hominy.


I've had them but prefer oatmeal or a full English breakfast.
Does anybody actually eat that?!
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Title: Re: Marijuana Laws in the United States
Post by: rjhowie on 2014-03-01, 00:21:47
Ah but the Southern Laddie's place is still in the US of A so no chance of a distance on that yeuchy stuff. Mind you how anyone could try and eat all that for breakfast is beyond me. Certainly is not very healthy and I value my health too much. Up here they often put in Scots square sausages and call it a Scots Breakfast. Enough to enhance the groan feeling.
Title: Re: Marijuana Laws in the United States
Post by: rjhowie on 2014-03-02, 02:31:18
On the starting them I think the matter is only going to lead to all sorts of confusions. States that say yes and others that say no and legal confusions?
Title: Re: Marijuana Laws in the United States
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2014-03-02, 08:09:12

On the starting them I think the matter is only going to lead to all sorts of confusions. States that say yes and others that say no and legal confusions?

Perhaps, but with the passage of time things get sorted out. We went through the 18th Amendment and the enabling Volstead Act and eventually came out that fog with the 21st Amendment in 1933. Mississippi worked around the 21st with statewide temperance laws and only ended Prohibition in 1966.

Now we're completely free. Be patient...he eventually makes it to the beer cooler.
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Title: Re: Marijuana Laws in the United States
Post by: Colonel Rebel on 2014-03-05, 04:35:30
Just as a reminder, before Washington state and Colorado became the states to legalize weed sales, we at the University of Mississippi were the first to grow legal, prescription pot, and still grow it today: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/12/28/medical-marijuana-lab-in-mississippi/1796475/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/12/28/medical-marijuana-lab-in-mississippi/1796475/)
Title: Re: Marijuana Laws in the United States
Post by: rjhowie on 2014-03-07, 10:05:51
It took until 1966 for Mississippi to catch up? I know they are slow down there but that borders on ridiculous. And now creating a zombie culture?
Title: Re: Marijuana Laws in the United States
Post by: Sanguinemoon on 2014-03-07, 15:26:28

A lot over the water seem to have that in their brains.
Excessive water, believe it or not can be damaging or even fatal, There are documented cases this happening. All that water dilutes your electrolytes, creating a state outwardly similar to drunkeness; more water can actually kill you. Of course, you have drink stupidly huge amounts of it. Likewise with weed. Few hits won't hurt you and might even be beneficial (lowering your blood pressure, stress, etc.) But if you keep doing it all day like an idiot, expect problems.  
Title: Re: Marijuana Laws in the United States
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2014-03-07, 16:29:59
And don't forget drowning.
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Title: Re: Marijuana Laws in the United States
Post by: Colonel Rebel on 2014-03-09, 22:20:24

I don't like haggis. Anyway that coming from a country with grits? Yeuch.

:eyes:


:furious:


:bomb:


You heretical, bloody Scot! How dare you???? 

This means war you know?  :knight:
Title: Re: Marijuana Laws in the United States
Post by: rjhowie on 2014-03-10, 02:39:55
War?Not surprised as you have created so many of such since 1945 do feel inclined to get on with it and increase your debt. Maybe then you will collapse and the world smile at getting peace. Oh and don't invaded Glasgow first or your marines will be crying for their mummies!  :D
Title: Re: Marijuana Laws in the United States
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2014-03-10, 07:05:40

Oh and don't invaded Glasgow first or your marines will be crying for their mummies!  :D
One doesn't invade a piss-ant when a flyswatter will do just fine.
Title: Re: Marijuana Laws in the United States
Post by: rjhowie on 2014-03-12, 01:02:47
Maybe you should have tried that when they stormed into Somalia or maybe S. Vietnam. You would only win here possibly when we fell about laughing our heads off.
Title: Re: Marijuana Laws in the United States
Post by: Macallan on 2014-03-12, 19:17:49
Nah, just wait till everyone's drunk off their asses :cheers:
Or, have a Rangers vs. Celtic game so everyone's too busy beating up each other.

Then again, why would anyone want to invade Glasgow? As opposed to, say, build a wall around it?
Title: Re: Marijuana Laws in the United States
Post by: tt92 on 2014-03-12, 21:14:52
A waterproof wall.
Scotland's abysmal weather will do the rest.
Title: Re: Marijuana Laws in the United States
Post by: Belfrager on 2014-03-12, 21:20:26
Marijuana is idiotic.
Title: Re: Marijuana Laws in the United States
Post by: rjhowie on 2014-03-13, 03:34:27
Shows another example of the average American, macallan. All mouth. You get a smattering so makes you an expert. Anyway as most in the ex-colonies haven,t a dam clue where invasion hot spots are it would still help their geography learning.The Rangers-Celtic thing has no resemblance to yesteryear. When you think of the internal history of America it is one long violence and infringement on so-called rights so you have no high ground sonny. Invading places is part of your place's normal thing but I would avoid invading here your marines would have to write their wills beforehand.
Title: Re: Marijuana Laws in the United States
Post by: rjhowie on 2014-03-13, 03:35:33
Tou are so right there Belfrager. But we must remember it is the world's champion of nutjobs.
Title: Re: Marijuana Laws in the United States
Post by: Macallan on 2014-03-13, 19:34:12

Shows another example of the average American, macallan.

Who are you calling an American? :lol:


All mouth.

Typical Glaswegian. Happy to dish it out but can't take it.
Title: Re: Marijuana Laws in the United States
Post by: ensbb3 on 2014-03-15, 00:08:02
Quote from: rj
but I would avoid invading here your marines would have to write their wills beforehand.


Too late. You dismantled your remaining empire and gave the US all the bases it needed. (Sit, stay, rollover.)
Title: Re: Marijuana Laws in the United States
Post by: Colonel Rebel on 2014-03-15, 00:49:41
Bought a copy of "A Tourist's Guide to Edinburgh" today.

Looks lovely in comparison to the City of Stone.  :left:
Title: Re: Marijuana Laws in the United States
Post by: rjhowie on 2014-03-15, 22:17:32
Kind of understandable as you are American educated thus limiting your grey cells. Being a half Yank you would get on well in Edinburgh as it likes to think it is grandeur like over the pond. The way your political system worls it's participants act as if they are on something hence the mess in the country and the world. You are a scream.  :lol:
Title: Re: Marijuana Laws in the United States
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2014-03-16, 07:25:27

Kind of understandable as you are American educated thus limiting your grey cells.
Says the uneducated Glaswegian wanker to the educated young gentleman from Mississippi.

Being educated is NOT a negative thing. You should have tried it.
Title: Re: Marijuana Laws in the United States
Post by: rjhowie on 2014-03-17, 01:06:50
Wonderful teacher with such language so look in the mirror before you descend the plateau you think you are on. Add the hypocrisy word after much of what you dug at your sudden Southern gentleman previously. It is hardly very clever to suddenly adopt a previous person you hit on due to some incapability. Small wonder your national government is concerned about education you and him display it well here. As for education not being a negative thing you too have been too full of yourselves as it has had that negative effect on you both. The rest of the world is in more practical vibes not self analysed grabbed high ground.
Title: Re: Marijuana Laws in the United States
Post by: tt92 on 2014-03-17, 04:33:33

Wonderful teacher with such language so look in the mirror before you descend the plateau you think you are on. Add the hypocrisy word after much of what you dug at your sudden Southern gentleman previously. It is hardly very clever to suddenly adopt a previous person you hit on due to some incapability. Small wonder your national government is concerned about education you and him display it well here. As for education not being a negative thing you too have been too full of yourselves as it has had that negative effect on you both. The rest of the world is in more practical vibes not self analysed grabbed high ground.

No-one in his right mind could possibly believe that this paragraph means anything.
There are three possibilities
1: Mr h believes that this means something, therefore he is not in his right mind.
2. Mr. h is deliberately posting gibberish, therefore he is wasting time and bandwidth.
3. The author of this gibberish has hacked Mr, h's username.
:yikes:
Title: Re: Marijuana Laws in the United States
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2014-03-17, 07:59:41

No-one in his right mind could possibly believe that this paragraph means anything.
There are three possibilities
1: Mr h believes that this means something, therefore he is not in his right mind.
2. Mr. h is deliberately posting gibberish, therefore he is wasting time and bandwidth.
3. The author of this gibberish has hacked Mr, h's username.
:yikes:

4. Mr. h is experimenting with crack cocaine.
5. Mr. h has gone over to the dark side.
6. Mr. h has moved to Edinburgh.
7. All of the above.
8.  :jester:
Title: Re: Marijuana Laws in the United States
Post by: rjhowie on 2014-03-18, 05:02:24
As I surmised the rump that existed at the end of Opera has repeated itself here with  the remnant bunch of would-be intellectuals. If you do not conform to what they decide the world is you are frightfully, frightfully  And someone from the land of mas nut jobs yaks about gibberish?! None of you would be noticed anywhere real. ???
Title: Re: Marijuana Laws in the United States
Post by: Banned Member on 2014-03-18, 05:42:44
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What does a comma do in RJ's posts!? (Was it a typo?:sst:)
Title: Re: Marijuana Laws in the United States
Post by: rjhowie on 2014-03-18, 19:09:30
Oh dear, if you cannot contribute just join the would-be great minds here! Don't lower yourself Josh.
Title: Re: Marijuana Laws in the United States
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2014-03-18, 19:15:10
I, couldn"t agre,e mo,re.

Feel free to borrow a few commas, rj.
Title: Re: Marijuana Laws in the United States
Post by: rjhowie on 2014-03-23, 00:36:48
Harmless compared to a place that spreads mind warping stuff jimbro.