I have a 'nettop' — a smaller type of laptop with a somehow weaker processor and all.
Now it runs by Windows XP Home edition, I somehow like this shit and at the same time don't get, eg, Windows 7.
I guess that there's Windows 8 which is proposed to upgrade the system — but will it be an UPgrade? What does that Windows 8 look like? Does it resemble 7 or rather something else? Is it worth taking or are there any other such OSs one could well use on such a thing as a Samsung NP?
I haven't tried Windows 8 on any netbooks nor do I have a license, but Xubuntu gives me better battery life than Windows 7—especially with TLP (http://fransdejonge.com/2013/04/a-quick-note-on-laptop-power-saving/).
Instead of a LiveCD you can make a LiveUSB (http://www.linuxliveusb.com/) to test it out on your hardware.
If you decide to go with Windows 8, you might want to install Classic Shell (http://www.classicshell.net/).
I care least about batteries because I run it out of the socket. What I care is the user interface (and also file system). Sustainability with most software is desireable.
Instead of a LiveCD you can make a LiveUSB to test it out on your hardware.
I have no idea what it is.
:o
I care least about batteries because I run it out of the socket. What I care is the user interface (and also file system). Sustainability with most software is desireable.
If you want compatibility with your current software, Windows 8 is likely to be better—but not necessarily. One of the reasons I upgraded from Windows XP to Debian Squeeze (6) is simply because upgrading to Vista/7 broke tons of things regardless, so I had no real reason to stay with Windows. Note that you can also lock down your XP significantly (http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/windows-emet-v4.html) which may mitigate alleged security dangers.
I have no idea what [a LiveCD] is.
You can simply follow the instructions on the website I linked to. It allows you to test a Linux distro without affecting your system in any way. For my recommendations of distros to test see here (https://dndsanctuary.eu/index.php?topic=85.msg4176#msg4176).
Note that you can also lock down your XP significantly which may mitigate alleged security dangers.
By now, you know that Microsoft Enhanced Mitigation Experience Toolkit is the best security software for the Windows operating system.
I have a MSE up and running now.
And I've dumped F.4.
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What? Do you mean my WMP will be nullified?
I've used Win 7 since it first came out and I love it. It's much better than XP in that it barely ever crashes - in fact, I haven't seen it crash yet, come to think of it.
I find Win 8 is made for tablets and phones, NOT desktops/laptops. I think Win 8 is ridiculous and stupid. I hate touch screen and have no use for touch screen plus you have to learn Windows all over again. I doubt I'll update for years, if ever.
Win 7 runs beautifully on all my computers but I don't have any low end old computers so I really don't know how well it works if you don't have lots of ram. I just know I really like it, I still use it all the time.
I also note Win 7 is very compatible with most hardware and software I've used over the years. I still run Office 2003, for example, as I prefer it. I still use a ton of old programs I've had for years and they run well on Win 7.
I've never noticed Win 7 is slow but, then again, I have pretty new computers so they have lots of capability.
If you don't have a touch screen and don't want to relearn Windows again, I'd stay away from 8 for awhile at least. It might be good for brand new users but, to me, it's just wrong.
I've never tried Linux and I hate Mac/Apple so Win 7 it is for me.
I'm sorry, I don't know what Samsung NP is :(
I've used Win 7 since it first came out and I love it. It's much better than XP in that it barely ever crashes - in fact, I haven't seen it crash yet, come to think of it.
I'm inclined to think it mostly comes down to hardware and drivers. In that sense the Microsoft verification process (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WHQL_Testing) is probably the most important improvement they ever made, despite the general stability of the NT kernel.
@Josh
I don't think it makes sense to upgrade your XP because you probably won't have much joy with Win7 (or even less with Win8) and your old hardware.
@Frenzie
I had w2k before but no XP. However your link made me curious.
EMET v4 needs Microsoft .NET Framework v4. How poetic.
Indeed poetic :) At this point I stopped reading on.
Install a risky framework (https://www.google.com/search?q=secunia+all+security+advisories+for+.net+framework+&btnG=Search&hl=en&num=100&oe=utf-8&gbv=1) so you can harden better your system ;)
The .Net Framework might ease the life of programmers at some cost. This cost in form of an additionally risk has to be payed by the user.
Reminds me of Java which gets praised by many programmers because it works on all platforms.
It's like saying anal sex is good because it works on all genders.
For best results you do still need Windows 7. The point remains that if you run applications as restricted as possible, they can't do much harm either. And it's surely telling that Chrome won't run with restrictions enabled while Opera and Firefox will. :D
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For what it's worth, I'm running Windows 8 now. I wouldn't let horror stories of having to re-learn Windows throw you, it turns out that you can live with 8's worst touch-screen habits (I use the keyboard a bit more because the built-in mouse is a bit "touchy") and in truth I hardly touch the screen at all.
Whether you'll even have to deal with "touch" on an older unit depends on whether your unit has the hardware support for it. If not, then Windows 8 will look a little different but will act similar to what you're used to on the older OS.
Note: I made the jump from a machine that ran XP Media Center Edition (based on XP Pro but with a few more "toys") to this machine which runs Windows 8, and am at a loss to figure what the problem was "having to learn Windows again". It just wasn't that hard to work my way through, though finding some of the things-- like Control Panel for example-- took a bit of "feel and grope" the first time through. It would help if they would ship these things with at least a six-page book showing where to find stuff, but they don't so you just have to muddle through. Much of the stuff you're reading about the difficulties of learning 8 is that it's a little different in appearance. Much the same sort of thing happened when Windows 95 came out-- I remember hearing people say it was hard to learn hard to understand and so on and so on, what it was is-- different. We've been running on Windows 95 type user interfaces since then until 8 came along, and the changes made in 8 are mainly cosmetic. If you have enough on the ball to successfully turn on a computer, sign on to a browser and get to this website, you should be able to figure out Windows 8 without too much trouble.
If you have enough on the ball to successfully turn on a computer, sign on to a browser and get to this website, you should be able to figure out Windows 8 without too much trouble.
Probably, but it's not always about learning how to use a new GUI. We Linux users might notice this more than Windows users because of the many desktop environments available for the former OS, but sometimes the GUI in some environments might be easy enough to figure out but are inefficient to work with. An example of this would be Gnome (http://www.gnome.org/). The reason for the inefficiency is that it requires am extra step or two to do simple tasks. I'm just wondering if Win 8 has that same issue, since it, like Gnome, really seems to be designed for a tablet instead of desktop.
Now if Josh should upgrade a newer version of Windows or maybe try Linux depends on a couple factors. First of all, can his machine even handle Windows 8? As I recall, the Microsoft Enhanced Mitigation Experience Toolkit can tell him if machine can theoretically use it and what on his machine might be compatible. I'm not sure that it can tell him if the OS will bog down his system. j7n already mentioned slow GUI, but what I mean taking up so much ram and CPU that it makes the entire machine slow. Another factor is if he really needs his Windows software. It's doubtful he really needs WMP, since there are a multitude of media players for Linux (some, like Banshee to me are superior to anything on Windows* .) However, if something is vital to him, he's better off sticking with Windows. If his machine barely meets the specs for Win 8, but he really needs Windows software, he might be better of just sticking with XP until he buys a new computer.
I personally like Xubuntu. I can run Firefox, LibreOffice, a few misc apps for the same system resources that the Win 7 OS alone typically requires. The only exception to this is when Fx refuses to release memory even though I closed the tabs. In addition, it's noticeably faster on a 2.8 GHZ X2 processor with 3 gigs ram. Those are modest specs, but most likely better than Josh's nettop. Plus, I can customise it more to my eccentric tastes more than I can Windows (without installing dodgy third party themes that probably install a few "presents." ) :p
*note: There is a version available for Windows, but it's alpha software that didn't work all that well for me under Windows 7.
I made the jump from a machine that ran XP Media Center Edition (based on XP Pro but with a few more "toys") to this machine which runs Windows 8, and am at a loss to figure what the problem was "having to learn Windows again".
Well, it depends on what one understands by 'learn Windows' ;)
I knew xp because I've worked with computers with xp on them and had kind of knowledge about Vista because I helped some friends to set it up.
Private, I made the jump from w2k to win7 and it took me a few days until I 'learned' how to configure win7 according to my needs and according to my concept of how the OS should perform. (uninstalling some MS and others trash, disabling unneeded services, hardening the system/network and so on)
BTW, Windows Explorer in win7 is an impertinence but there are alternatives for this peace of crap.
Of course, without any personal needs or concept of how the OS should perform I could have started to use win7 as it was, right out of the box, immediately.
In that case you don't have to 'learn' anything about the OS you are using and you don't need any understanding for how the OS performs.
Here's a useful tutorial on Win 8 interface https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wi8NpwiEuzc You will learn how to find the taskbar and desktop from among the tiles, and how to snap windows so that you can open multiple apps/windows on screen, not just one full-screen app.
I personally am happy to have been able to dump Windows. I ditched it at Vista. I have a few friends who use 7. Nobody uses 8.
Erf. Looks like a nightmare in three minutes. I'm not sure why I would want to click on the top left and pull down when I can just have a taskbar to easily see what applications I have running and switch between them (maybe for saving a few pixels of screenspace, an issue less relevant has resolution and screensizes continue to climb?) or click on an invisible Start button, for example.
I've used Win 7 since it first came out and I love it.
If nobody liked it, it wouldn't be.
And you know.. I think this is a manifestation of the difference between boys and girls. I don't know...
I'm sorry, I don't know what Samsung NP is
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I am not sure what WMP is in this context.
Windows Media Player.
XP Was My Idea (http://xpwasmyidea.blogspot.ru): why NT5 is better than NT6 from a Power User's perspective.
He must be damn' right!
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Then what do we eyewitness? The simultaneous demise of Opera, MyOpera and XP? Something else? Democracy?:doh:
Probably, but it's not always about learning how to use a new GUI. We Linux users might notice this more than Windows users because of the many desktop environments available for the former OS, but sometimes the GUI in some environments might be easy enough to figure out but are inefficient to work with. An example of this would be Gnome (http://www.gnome.org/). The reason for the inefficiency is that it requires am extra step or two to do simple tasks.
This. So much.
http://my.opera.com/community/forums/findpost.pl?id=15040722
I usually have no need for the menubar per se either. I toggle it in Opera with Ctrl + F8, but for the most part I simply know that Alt+C opens my CSS menu and Alt+U opens my Unicode menu. They open in the locations where they would if the menubar were enabled. However, that's just because I'm intimately familiar with it. In LibreOffice I do generally need the menubar to be visible, and think it's (slightly) more efficient than the ribbon in MS Office.
In Opera/Blink none of this works because it's all under Alt+F. So it's either more clicks and more mouse movement or more keypresses. Hardly good for preventing RSI.
I think what we can now call classical interfaces are intuitive while allowing for efficiency. Efficiency comes in the form of keyboard shortcuts (hotkeys in MS speech) and menu access keys—rarely with the mouse. Even if there is no predefined shortcut to page formatting in LibreOffice, Alt+O, P is almost no worse. I'll point out that unlike Chropera and Chromium, Microsoft actually bothered to properly preserve such functionality. (http://office.microsoft.com/en-001/access-help/keyboard-shortcuts-in-the-2007-office-system-RZ010156267.aspx?section=9) But I find it convoluted and messy compared to a simple list.
On the flipside, Windows 8 and Gnome Shell seem to feel the mouse by itself isn't nearly inefficient enough already—they add several extra required movements and clicks!
Well, it depends on what one understands by 'learn Windows'
(Frans, your "Quick quote" stopped cping smilies!:/)
I need it customisable.
The interface - customisable. The appearance - customisable. The orders, icons, metadata - customisable.
I need that the "switch the damn machine off" button opens THE THREE-BUTTON MENU rather than - EVER - just shut the machine down... Without any confirmation asked from me!..
(Frans, your "Quick quote" stopped cping smilies!:/)
I didn't change a thing. But if you're using Opera/Presto, image selection isn't its strong suit.
Instead of a LiveCD you can make a LiveUSB (http://www.linuxliveusb.com) to test it out on your hardware.
Frans, should I dedicate a separate stick and how capy?
(Psst: Frans, I didn't change my Chrome.)
Frans, should I dedicate a separate stick and how capy?
Sure.
(Psst: Frans, I didn't change my Chrome.)
It works for me. Could you specify which smiley isn't working for you and what steps are required to reproduce the undesired behavior?
The interface - customisable. The appearance - customisable. The orders, icons, metadata - customisable.
Metadata???
I need that the "switch the damn machine off" button opens THE THREE-BUTTON MENU rather than - EVER - just shut the machine down... Without any confirmation asked from me!..
I can't tell you about Win8. I didn't have the pleasure to meet the beast as yet :)
As for Win7 you are confronted with a button menu offering 6 options: to shut down the system, to change user, to log out, to lock the system, for a new start or to spare power
In case of emergency you can also pull the power cable :)
@Frenzie
He probably meant this one: ;)
He probably meant this one: ;)
Works for me. (I'm posting this from Chromium.)
Sure.
How capacitous?
It works for me. Could you specify which smiley isn't working for you and what steps are required to reproduce the undesired behavior?
Which were in the copied pieces.
1) Start Google Chrome, 2) open DnD, etc., 3) triple click; THE
quick quote.
Metadata???
Files' properties.
As for Win7 you are confronted with a button menu offering 6 options...
The
hard button?
The real touchable one at the hinge, I meant. ???
On the machine I had an experience with, that bastard was "protruded", had no menu nor confirmation, and in the system settings the relevant ones were greyed out. So...
Fuck! make your align codes more complex! I can't use normal punctuation with normal words! (Words in brackets are often used to specify things in quotes.)
How capacitous?
Doesn't the site I linked say? Probably something like 1 to 2GB.
Which were in the copied pieces.
1) Start Google Chrome, 2) open DnD, etc., 3) triple click; THE
Again, works for me. But it's not like I want to affect how text selection works regardless.
Fuck! make your align codes more complex! I can't use normal punctuation with normal words! (Words in brackets are often used to specify things in quotes.)
I haven't a clue what you mean.
I haven't a clue what you mean.
Sure.
How capacitous?
It works for me. Could you specify which smiley isn't working for you and what steps are required to reproduce the undesired behavior?
Which were in the copied pieces.
1) Start Google Chrome, 2) open DnD, etc., 3) triple click; THE quick quote.
(See the code.)
Instead of a LiveCD you can make a LiveUSB to test it out on your hardware.
I don't fully understand it.
http://www.linuxliveusb.com/en/help/guide
Shall I download it (the installer?) just straight onto the harddrive (and then INSTALL the thing onto a stick) - or what?
You can prevent bbcodes from applying by using [nobbc][/nobbc], although I agree they should just be ignored if they're unmatched.
Shall I download it (the installer?) just straight onto the harddrive (and then INSTALL the thing onto a stick) - or what?
You download everything to your computer. Then you run the application and it should assist you in making a bootable USB stick.
You can prevent bbcodes from applying by using , although I agree they should just be ignored if they're unmatched.
What?
You download everything to your computer. Then you run the application and it should assist you in making a bootable USB stick.
So, first I just get it without a flash, then... Right?
???
Yes.
Will it suffice to have a 1GB stick?
For Ubuntu it might; for Mint it won't.
I see your "General Linux" thread (https://dndsanctuary.eu/index.php?topic=85.0) starts with something "furthermore" rather than certain starters... What if I start with some classification?
You can simply follow the instructions on the website I linked to. It allows you to test a Linux distro without affecting your system in any way.
What's a distro?
Something like a bistro? Like BuckDonald's?:)
To shed some light on my hardware capabilities,
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Intel Atom
CPU N270 @ 1.60GHz
797 MHz, 0.99 GB RAM
What do those megaherzes mean.
The orders, icons, metadata - customisable.
Metadata???
Files' properties.
How do you customise file's properties in your XP ???
The hard button? The real touchable one at the hinge, I meant ???
This is a desktop computer, not a laptop.
What's a distro?
Short for distribution. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_distribution Somewhat oversimplified you can think of it as differing sets of default programs.
What do those megaherzes mean.
That's the speed of your RAM. It's not terribly important. (Proof (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ram-speed-tests,1807-15.html).) In real-world terms 1GB vs 2GB is much more important.
How do you customise file's properties in your XP ???
Not the core data - but additioal info: "title", "source", "commentary"...
This is a desktop computer, not a laptop.
Maybe.
But I'm talking about ***tops.
Mine is called
a nettop and they all have their "power" button in flesh at the hinge. Mine is at the right corner. And it is flat — that Bs nettop was a temporary makeshift and its button jerked like a nipple.
its button jerked as a nipple
What are nipples like in Russia? :lol:
Not for "dystrophia"?;)
Quote from: Josh on 6 January '14, 18:25:20
What do those megaherzes mean.
That's the speed of your RAM. It's not terribly important. (Proof.) In real-world terms 1GB vs 2GB is much more important.
And those "gigaherzes" then?
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its button jerked like a nipple.
I like nipples :P
So, those are my hard's specs — now, I mean, what's the best to pick?
(Krake, who don't!?;))
When I bought a keyboard with a Power button, I had to pull it out and put a tape across the slot, because they put the Power button in place of the Print Screen key in an easily accessible place.
That sucks!;)
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Do you mean file associations by Metadata? (Which programs can open a file type.)
He probably means IIM (IPTC) attributes in images or other media types.
@Josh
Of course you can.
And those "gigaherzes" then?
That's more important, but ultimately not that important either. You could find an i3 that also runs at 1.6GHz and it'd be a lot faster. In any case, the specs look like Windows 8 as well as most LInux distros should work—for Windows, Microsoft released some kind of tool.
It's the RAM I'm most worried about really. If you decide to go with Linux, you might want to look into zRAM (http://www.webupd8.org/2011/10/increased-performance-in-linux-with.html).
So, those are my hard's specs — now, I mean, what's the best to pick?
(Krake, who don't!? ;) )
Windows 7 ran poorly on my broken netbook with similar specs while Cinnamon, MATE, and Xfce ran quite nicely. But Windows 8 is
technically an improvement over Windows 7—just not so much in the GUI.
In any case, you can try various Linux distros without harming your system in any way. I suggest you take a look. ;)
But Windows 8 is technically an improvement over Windows 7—just not so much in the GUI.
But does it relate to XP - in terms of basic interface and customisation? (About the looks, I've already taken some look↑.)
In any case, you can try various Linux distros without harming your system in any way. I suggest you take a look.
Thank you. Considering it:)
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...in any case...
Not
exactly so.
See, flash video is now mostly played by WMP (except some formats), though another player is ok - even good - at it also.
LiLi 2.8.27 now supports :
Fedora 20 "Heisenbug" Gnome/KDE/Xfce/LXDE/SoaS/Design
Sabayon 14.01 KDE/Gnome/Xfce
Linux Mint 16 "Petra" (KDE/Xfce) DVD
Kali Linux 1.0.5
Tails 0.22
gNewSense 3.0 (GNOME)
Voyager 13.10
Gparted Live CD 0.17.0-1
Parted Magic
Who're all those guys?
Who is LiLi?
A woman (http://www.linuxliveusb.com).
Frans, will a SD card do the job, or should I have exactly a USB stick?
I've never tried that, but I suppose it could work so long as your BIOS supports it.
How could I know that?
The system shows it similarly to any other ext.drive I use (USBs)... ???
You'd probably need to set it as a boot device with higher priority than your HDD in your BIOS. Typically it's entered by pressing F2 or DEL.
@Josh
Do you know how to set boot devices?
What are the programs and functions that you need running in the netbook?
It so happens that two days ago I made an unexpected acquisition. My sister bought a new fancy laptop with Win8 and hence wanted to get rid of a Packard Bell netbook that matches your specs. The netbook had Win7 on it and it had become really slow. Just to get that netbook with Win7 up and connected to internet took literally half an hour. Granted, she had Skype and tons of adware/malware/viruses fighting for CPU power at startup, but still, it's a systemic fault too.
I didn't try for long to speed up Win 7. I replaced it already with Linux distro called Manjaro Openbox 0.8.8. Boots up and gets connected in less than a minute now. This including the 5 seconds wait time at GRUB screen. Before installing Linux I tried it from bootable USB stick.
Within the same two days, my sister has begun to hate her new laptop with Win 8 and is jealous of the netbook she gave to me :)
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Do you know how to set boot devices?
No. I don't even know what that means...
...refreshing a clean XP package would, in my humble opinion...
???
What do you mean?
Do you know how to set boot devices?
No. I don't even know what that means...
As soon as you press the power button to start up your "nettop", begin beating F2 button frantically. A blue/gray screen presents itself. This is called BIOS. There you can move around with arrow keys, find the place where you can set the boot priorities. If you want to try other operating systems from USB stick, you will have to set USB HDD (in my netbook it was called this way) as the first priority.
...refreshing a clean XP package would, in my humble opinion...
???
What do you mean?
I suppose he means reinstalling XP, if the current installation really poses troubles for you. But mostly he means, if the current XP poses no serious trouble for you, if it works for everything you need, just let it be.
As soon as you press the power button to start up your "nettop", begin beating F2 button frantically. A blue/gray screen presents itself. This is called BIOS.
I have been there before.
Hey, Frans!!! I really appreciated your "experimental" quote and even was about to propose a new name for it! It was very useful and comfy for me - get it back.:/
If you want to try other operating systems from USB stick, you will have to set USB HDD (in my netbook it was called this way) as the first priority.
Is it so that the machine will start it at the boot instead of Windows or what?
And... Is it likely that such testing could corrupt or otherwise interfere with the Windows? How does it work, literally?
A LiveCD makes no changes to your computer unless you want it to. It simply loads an OS from a different location than your HDD.
If you want to try other operating systems from USB stick, you will have to set USB HDD (in my netbook it was called this way) as the first priority.
Is it so that the machine will start it at the boot instead of Windows or what?
And... Is it likely that such testing could corrupt or otherwise interfere with the Windows? How does it work, literally?
Exactly. When the boot order is changed, you will be booting up whatever is on the boot device (USB in this case) instead of what is installed in the netbook.
This booting won't do anything to the installed operating system. It will only begin to do things when you attempt to install it, but there's a clear difference between booting-up-and-trying versus installing. You will absolutely know when new installation begins, even if you begin it accidentally. Things inside the computer will only begin to change when you are several steps into the installing procedure.
Hey, guys! You said "Linux/(x)Ubuntu", but am I free to choose an appropriate languge version?
I mean I hope nobody's tried to "localise" it - especially I hope no such localisation will be going to get enforced upon me.
For example, this current XP I use is forced upon my Samsung calling itself "Russian", but I hate such "Russian". I'd prefer normal English version - even not British, but the customers service said it was not possible to change UI language...
Hey, guys! You said "Linux/(x)Ubuntu", but am I free to choose an appropriate languge version?
I mean I hope nobody's tried to "localise" it - especially I hope no such localisation will be going to get enforced upon me.
For example, this current XP I use is forced upon my Samsung calling itself "Russian", but I hate such "Russian". I'd prefer normal English version - even not British, but the customers service said it was not possible to change UI language...
In Linux (as well as Windows 7, I should add) the language comes separately.
In my XP, I seem to lack any "select language" option for the overall interface. Do you mean the new Windows has it?
Select any language you like. It respects your choice. The default is English of course. Nothing will be imposed on you based on your perceived location or time zone or such.
I personally use a number of localisations. And for professional use, I need to have the support for several languages installed to do spell-checking etc. They don't conflict. If something doesn't work, the default is English.
Ah, concerning languages I remember one nasty experience with Antix Linux. I selected Estonian to boot it up, but the keyboard became Ethiopian :D You know Estonia? It's that tiny country between Eritrea and Ethiopia - in alphabetical order.
Apparently only in Enterprise (http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/products/features/language-packs) (and Ultimate). But anyway, it's no concern in most Linux distros.
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Considering Josh's manners of going about his computers, Linux is the better choice for him. Linux would teach him to keep user tasks and admin tasks separate and rein in some of his recklessness.
Help your friends and family get off Windows XP (http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/windowsexperience/archive/2014/02/06/help-your-friends-and-family-get-off-windows-xp.aspx?pi5067=2)
Very funny, help them to move over to a far worse version of Windows... Thanks for the suggestion, MS. I am actively helping people move over from XP, and this means move away from Windows altogether.
Thank you, Ersi.
You welcome, Josh. Here's a little insight into Linux world for you - Review: Manjaro Netbook Edition (https://dndsanctuary.eu/index.php?topic=318.msg18071#msg18071)
Yeah, I saw that thread, thanks. The insight though is slightly advanced to me.:) If I do, I'll start with that "Live USB" probing, which Frenzie earlier suggested.
Right - not "if", but "when". That's how it seems to me now...
Here's a video of IceWM, a desktop lighter than Openbox, styled as XP http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlgm5psBCQc There's also a link to the ISO itself. Unfortunately I didn't get it to boot to try. Hidden in the Zevenos.com website there are instructions in German on how to make their ISO's bootable, but I won't follow them for several reasons. IMHO it's an unnecessary limitation to have it not work by ordinary means, such as dd.
Yeah, I saw that thread, thanks. The insight though is slightly advanced to me.:) If I do, I'll start with that "Live USB" probing, which Frenzie earlier suggested.
Right - not "if", but "when". That's how it seems to me now...
www.damnsmalllinux.org/download.html (http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/download.html) Try this one. Just ran across it looking for an ultra lite diagnostic .iso to run off a CD to check out a failing HDD in a friend's laptop.
It's a pretty hardy build to be so lite. Internet and mounting the HDD from liveUSB/CD no prob.
or embedded as a guest OS
What does this mean?
And what should I hit there?
I believe you could install it into Windows too. Something to do with Virtualbox I'm sure. The Knoppix file system can't handle my desktop.
I believe you could install it into Windows too.
Install what?
Into Windows? So the Windows would stay THE OS? What's the point?
Embedded means (or meant at a time I tried an embedded Linux installation) that you download the thing to Windows and launch it from there, like any application, only you will get a faux additional OS window. The point of this is trying. Experiment.
Thanks.
That being said, I'm not sure if DSL is good for much besides experimentation. Sure, it's amazing if it's all you've got, but…
You Damn right.
OpenSUSE (KDE) runs pretty good on netbooks of that caliber. Ran smoother than Linux Mint or Ubuntu on the one I tried that specs out about the same as josh's. DSL fit his qualification as a low resource net surfer. Simple enough to quench any reluctance I thought...
I made a live boot with OpenSUSE KDE one day. The bootups were very different on three different machines. The OS was as if probing and choosing the best way to get itself launched considering the particular resources. Looks like there's some wicked hardware detection automated into the boot process. Must be a good product. Even bluetooth works out of the box! This is uncommon with Linuxes, and worthy of special appreciation.
Why dont you just take it to the Samsung store for help...?