I live in Wessex where one of the larger local towns is Bournemouth, famous for its magnificent football club, fine beaches and old fogies.
The town was startled the other day when it was reported: Russian bombers in the skies over Bournemouth: RAF jets scramble to intercept intruders. (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2930573/Russian-bombers-skies-Bournemouth-RAF-jets-scramble-intercept-intruders.html)
It looks like they are casing the joint, maybe to look for a retirement home for the Magnificent Mr Putin.
Naturally we are taking this seriously and our fleet of Cesna bombers are being dusted off at Bournemouth Airport readily to retaliate should they drop Mr Putin on us.
Mod edit: Fixed what is presumed to have been a link.
Wow! A melodramatic announcement.
;) For more accurate reporting:
No British airspace was violated. The Russians were strictly in international airspace. So far there was no intruder and intercepting means escorting.
sigh ... and I always thought that laughter was infectious!
Thanks Mr Mod!
...sez a Wessex fogie.
Every day the Rooskies are getting more and more like those damned Americans! Troops, ships and bombers all over the place.
Sorry, though, Mr. String, Vladimir isn't going anywhere to retire. He is Russia's permanent oligarchical president.
(https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/time-vladimir-putin-65566-e1311397926115.jpg?w=469&h=423)
From the Photo he seems to be a sort of "Non-Smiley". Isn't that a contradiction in terms?
He looks like a James Bond villain. All he needs is the cat in his lap, and the blonde temptress at his side, and 007 will be looking for him in no time.
Well Russia has one awfully long way to go to try and even catch up with the good ole US of A when it comes to warfare and invasions, etc. A plane flies down the English Channel as krake said in international airspace. Hardly likely to attack with one plane are they? Short memories when people go bananas a this when you consider the days of US planes flying over Russia spying and having to get shot down. The word hypocrisy always rises. When we consider the last US President and the present one sends drones into countries to kill people many of them totally innocent it would be so easy to have a cartoon of them. And Obama has done even more in that line than GW Bush did. As for oligarchs may I remind that the West stooge in Kiev is one of them.
Mind you this so-called 2incident" is funny with the media as usely does going daft on propaganda. :D
Well Russia has one awfully long way to go...
This does not stop them. Alaska is more than half a globe away from Moscow, but Russians were the first to colonise it.
...to try and even catch up with the good ole US of A when it comes to warfare and invasions, etc.
Sure, this makes US of A worse, but it doesn't make Russia any better. They are competing with each other in the same sport.
This does not stop them. Alaska is more than half a globe away from Moscow, but Russians were the first to colonise it.
You're not subscribing to the hippest thread in DnD (https://dndsanctuary.eu/index.php?topic=788.0)? It's not possible to be further away than half a globe and still be on the globe. The antipodes of Moscow is in the landforsaken triangel between Australia, Antarctica, and America. The closest antipodean airport is Waitangi [Tuuta], Chatham Islands, NZ (http://www.gcmap.com/airport/SVO). Moscow to Anchorage is only 7020 km, less than a fifth of the diameter of the planet.
To see them yourself, try this (http://www.findlatitudeandlongitude.com/antipode-map/).
This does not stop them. Alaska is more than half a globe away from Moscow, but Russians were the first to colonise it.
You're not subscribing to the hippest thread in DnD (https://dndsanctuary.eu/index.php?topic=788.0)? It's not possible to be further away than half a globe and still be on the globe.
Actually I do, but I didn't mean half a globe in the antipodean way. I meant it in the flat-earth kind of way.
The antipodes are projections through the planet core. Nobody travels through the planet core. Everybody travels on the earth's surface along the compass lines. This is the flat-earth view of the globe.
Yes, the Rooskies are coming.
http://news.yahoo.com/britain-summons-russian-ambassador-bombers-intercepted-183747141.html (http://news.yahoo.com/britain-summons-russian-ambassador-bombers-intercepted-183747141.html)
Personally, I don't think it means anything of consequence, but is a deflection from recent events in Crimea and Ukraine, which are far more troublesome.
Any comments?
These bombers are old (1952) but modified a lot; read it all here Tupolev Tu-95 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-95).
But since the Ruskies are intent on threatening us with history lessons, we have to think how we should defend ourselves.
I've started looking for my set of Barrage Balloons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrage_balloon)
Most here brained by the propagandist and media hype. You could almost understand from those brought up in the Cold war to a degree but the rest/ Nah.Any country that the US of A cannot control, influence or invade puts the place right into the hands of the Goebells mentality.
???
Personally, I don't think it means anything of consequence, but is a deflection from recent events in Crimea and Ukraine, which are far more troublesome.
Any comments?
What's so troublesome in Crimea for you? There are no signals that people from there are fleeing to the Ukraine.
In fact they are better off than their Ukrainian neighbors.
As for the Ukrainians we will have to see the results of the staged putch. They are not promising so far.
Let's hope that this regime change will work better than the ones in Iraq and Libya...
Personally, I don't think it means anything of consequence, but is a deflection from recent events in Crimea and Ukraine, which are far more troublesome.
Any comments?
What's so troublesome in Crimea for you?
When Russia annexes another country, I find that troublesome. When it moves into Ukraine to insure the safety of ethnic Russians, I find that troublesome.
Ultimately, though, if it becomes more troublesome, it's a European problem.
Long live Novorossiya.
Personally, I don't think it means anything of consequence, but is a deflection from recent events in Crimea and Ukraine, which are far more troublesome.
Any comments?
What's so troublesome in Crimea for you?
When Russia annexes another country, I find that troublesome. When it moves into Ukraine to insure the safety of ethnic Russians, I find that troublesome.
Ultimately, though, if it becomes more troublesome, it's a European problem.
Long live Novorossiya.
I wonder. When I think of the way that both Krake and RJHowie write about us, I wonder.
For a moment, just suppose Russia gets another attack of "Empire Building" and decides the rest of Europe would make a fine addition to Moscow's holdings.
Do we, here in the States, step in and do anything about it---- or do we let Europe figure it out for themselves?
Do we, here in the States, step in and do anything about it---- or do we let Europe figure it out for themselves?
Haven't you already stepped in? Already forgotten the staged putch? That's how it started.
In case you are asking me, fix first Iraq which you messed up then move to Libya before fixing Europe too.
However, with military basis all around the world the US wan't ask anybody for permission if they feel the need for fixing/messing up further regions.
I don't uderstand an earlier comment about our need to defend ourselves. Rhrm, from what? As for worrying about Russia annexing a place now that one is a nonsense. The Crimea as we all know (groan) did not appreciate being dumped in Ukraine years ago by theSoviets and the majority wanted back so they voted. Note the word and there were international observors there but it seems that unless the USA agrees to a referendum then you cannot have it. They were quick to be happy with one regarding Kosovo being taken out of Serbia because the majority were originally from Albania. Now what a remrkable difference on a majority, eh? Plus the US knew fine well the Kosovo Liberation Army was drug financed but still okay but because Crimea was outwith US imperial control principles get blurred. You couldn't make this up.
What is a concern here is the people who are here and not dumb who just fall back on a Cold War childhood and growing up. And as for mjsmsprt40 waxing about what "we should do." I wish for a change America would do damn nothing and let the world grow or fester as suits. Russia DID NOT ask for Crimea nor once again does it want to 2 Easter Provinces it was the Kiev clown President and that evil and abrasive mental midget that is the Prime Minister. He almost spits hate.
Ukraine has long been a divided nation and the Western but leaning, well West and the East the opposite. Instead of sense in Kiev the multi-millionaire oligarch President has created the mess. That the idiot head who looks like one from looking in goes to praise the Kiev fascist incliners tells you something. Who started the increase in the trouble? Kiev by launching a mass attack and if you listen to the news only Kiev soliders are emphasided at being killed.You lot just ignore the involvement of the Nazi Right lot in the National Guard - black uniforms right up their street and that the West Ukraine has history of very rightist and Bazi leaning history.Oh but that doesn't count as the country that America cannot pull the string on namely Russia is beyond them.
Kiev and it's Western string pullers created this civil war by totally ignoring the east and it's views and when a compromise of being Federal raised studiously ignored it. The country is a mess, corrupt as hell, morale doubtful in it's army,people not wanting to in uniform (in the West0 and we westerners are playing a bad and stupid game. Oh and Crimea is more settled feels safe and will see in the near future a new bridge being built from the Russian mainland so good for them. Annexing is load of silly tripe fooled by mischievous propagandists. And that they have cooped in bright folk will have them cock-a-hoop thedopey are easy.
1. The Russians aren't going to do anything so stupid as attacking Western Europe.
2. They aren't going to attempt to incorporate western Ukraine.
Putin is playing at reconstituting the old Union days, but without tanks and bazookas. The man constantly checks his popularity numbers.
From Forbes: "His approval rating in October 2014 was a preposterous 88%, with a mere 11% voicing disapproval."
Angela Merkel? 77%
Obama? 47% :yuck:
From Russia With Love.
Worst Bond soundtrack ever.
1. The Russians aren't going to do anything so stupid as attacking Western Europe.
2. They aren't going to attempt to incorporate western Ukraine.
Putin is playing at reconstituting the old Union days, but without tanks and bazookas. The man constantly checks his popularity numbers.
From Forbes: "His approval rating in October 2014 was a preposterous 88%, with a mere 11% voicing disapproval."
Angela Merkel? 77%
Obama? 47% :yuck:
Me? 100%. I approve of me 100%
Must say that jimbro does portrayin that last comment a very good consolidated assessment of the present.
Meanwhile on a wider front the US is arguing as to whether or not to send in appropriate armaments to Ukrainian Army. One argument mentioned which is head scratching is indirectly it helps protect NATO?? We all know that Ukraine is not in NATO so that is pushing respect for brains. Although the ant-Kiev rebels are doing "well" they are still stating they are prepared for further dialogue with Kiev and exchange prisoners so we will see what Kiev says. The in your face lies about massive invasion is so insulting. Mind you O could stretch to ordinary volunteers willing to cross the Border from the Federation but do not see that is any principled worse than Kiev Nazis fighting in the National Guard.
If Kiev just agreed to have a Federal system (like you know who) the civil war would be done. Kiev could get over the embarrassment and have a united country again.
Me? 100%. I approve of me 100%
Only because you have low judgmental standards. :cheers:
If Kiev just agreed to have a Federal system (like you know who) the civil war would be done. Kiev could get over the embarrassment and have a united country again.
I'm not confident of future events, so I'll wait before pontificating
like some other people do. :troll:
Now here is an interesting link to watch after all the cold war guff being dished out here.
https://us-mg4.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.rand=35fu9b9e8a7c5#8068660563
Note an army officer and he obviously thought he was on safe ground. A week ago I watched a television interview with some young men from western Ukraine who said they had no intention of fighting and didn't see the point.
The other interesting point is when Kerry was at podiums with that idiot who is Ukraine's Prime Minister (he is so full of bile, hate and stupidity). When asked about the so-called Russian ivasion the Secretary from imperial land said he would pass that to the Prime Minister. I would like something more than the dished out propaganda. Americ has plenty of satellites so let;s have a break from spying on their own people's privacy and show the imports. Originally I said here that a more federal Ukraine would be the answer but if the 2 eastern regions want to go I would let them as Ukraine could not run a jumble sale never mind a country. Kiev created this problem and the video above shows something the Goebells mentality is trying to brain us with. I can even understand American fanaticism having been brought up to implicitly follow Cold War thinking but shows how east braining is from experts. the late Propaganda Minister would be pleased!
Enjoy the clip.
The only thing I parse from that is there was a television interview. How to air slanted interviews 101: Step 1: Formulate your questions in such a way that your subjects are more likely to answer how you want them to. Step 2: Interview interview some people. Let's say 100 just for easy numbers. Step 3: Select the interviewees that gave the answers you want. If on 5 out the 100 give answers consistent with your agenda, so be it. Step 3: Edit the interviews to sound more strongly consistent with your views. Be sure to rip statements out of context. The last step, of course, is to air the carefully selected and edited interviews to make it sound like it's a majority opinion and ignore the fact that 95% of your interviewees disagreed with you. See how easy it is?
Oh yes, who were the young men? For all we know they could have been part of a pro-Russian faction. Things like that happen surprisingly often in less than objective news reports.
Thinking I should remind people that this is really meant to be a light hearted look at a rather farcical situation, I was about to post something to that effect when I tried the link rjh kindly posted (or did he - maybe Putin changed it)
https://us-mg4.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.rand=35fu9b9e8a7c5#8068660563 (https://us-mg4.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.rand=35fu9b9e8a7c5#8068660563)
On my browser that link arrives at an advert for a Fairy Baby Robin suit.
A rare link there from rjh, or putin, or both.
That link took me to a Yahoo! log-in page. Can't see nuthin'.
I tried it again and still got a wee fairy. I dismiss it as Russian propaganda, obviously you are protected by the CIA.
mjmsprt40 is not the only one who is protected by the CIA. I get the Yahoo! log-in page too.
And the usual propaganda brained stuff mentality from Sanguinemoon. If anything outside of US and Western media is regarded as propaganda it shows how dumbness is widespread. Doesn't the USA have two radio stations - one dating from the Cold War days for Europe and another global. Suppose their stuff could never be propaganda. Talk about closed minds and it is obvious that when you do give direct links asked for it doesn't mean a damn thing. Considering the lack of political honesty in world affairs from the land of the free and home of the brave what happens inside there is not much of an inclination ofor the world to follow.
The country that has bullied more than any other since WW2 has corrupted so many countries and a political system for the corporates and military controllers has a nerve to condemn Russia. Why di you need so many bases? Why are there tens of millions of poor? Why is it gradually becoming a police State? Why is the place military mad? Why do people find security agencies who ignore the constitution and go over the top? And not once has any dumb ex-colonist ever answered me as to why you have so many spy agencies who spy on your own citizens no matter what you do electronically? Political and money corruption is rif and the place makes so many so-called "principled" statements. Russia would never catch up with all these faults espeically on global military adventures like hypocrite land. Bairns when it comes to politics, spying madness and playing soldiers.
Must be frustrating for you lot that you cannot control Russia or China and the day the dollar ceases to be world currency the better for it. :devil:
ps You made a great job of training the Iraqui Army, haha!
:jester:
Two radio stations? TWO RADIO STATIONS?
RJHowie, do you seriously, even for a minute, think we have only two radio stations? You need to get out more.
Funny no one complained when the "The Americans are coming". They surely did much more than the Russians.
You really do need to get out more mjsmsprt40! I indicated two speically long running propaganda stations hence Europe and global not the run-of-the-mill stuff. Does Voice of America ring a bell for simple example. You have had 2 special stations to do a Goebells thing for ages. Must say Belfrager that Russia will never catch up with imperialistic America. The country is so full of itself and a right to control the world and even Obama has stated as much recently too.
And the usual propaganda brained stuff mentality from Sanguinemoon.
WTF? I didn't give any propaganda. I'm the "brained" one, when all I did was show how to give the public a false impression of what the majority opinion is? A few men in a country of 44 million means very little without at least some kind of polling data at least (and not done by any by or for any of the governments in question :p )
What else the show say? Did they say "many" people share the opinion, as if words like that are meaningful. Hint: I can call 10% of the population "many" because the word is so vague. 4.4 million people is "many people" and "a lot." :p
I find your lack of media savvy most disturbing.
Here, take your pick of drunk, stupid Scotsmen (http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=drunk+stupid+scotsman&qpvt=drunk+stupid+scotsmen&FORM=VQFRML). This means all or most Scotsmen are like this, right? :p Saying otherwise must be propaganda. Get it now? Didn't think so. Oh, I almost forgot. If realize that all countries of their share of drunken idiots, you're "brained" , right?
You do confess more than you realise sometimes well maybe mostly here. You llot think your corner is so something else which makes you all the more funny. Meanwhile on he present coming cease fore.
I watched an interview with the leader of the Right Sector you know the Nazi lot in Ukraine and he has made it clear that they the neo-swastika mob are NOT going to recognise any cease fore! Why that isn't so widely known in the western media is interesting. Instead we get this continued guff about Russia. Russia has said repeatedly but Yanks are too dotty to absorb it that it does NOT want the two provinces. It was also Kiev during the minor breaks in the last cease fire that raised the stakes by mounting a large all-out attack on the airport. Kiev couldn't care a damn about the civilians who just want peace. Hospitals are now running out of medicines and supplies. One has already started using fish wire for stitching. Water and electricity breaks and because their government in Kiev are doing this over a million have fled over the border.
Why in whoever's name would Russia want to have to accommodate, feed and look after a million people witht the existing restrictions?? You lot are as thick as they come. So come on now what about the fanatical Right Sector (many already in the national Guard) but fighting on their own. Fanatical and dangerous people and part of the offiical set-up in Kiev which you all subtly ignore. It is not the Russians who are the problem it is America as it sees Ukraine as another place for it's corporate. As for NATO it is nothing to do with them and the US kept that out of date club for commercial and money control expansion. money men in time.
You do confess more than you realise sometimes well maybe mostly here. You llot think your corner is so something else which makes you all the more funny. Meanwhile on he present coming cease fore.
??? :jester:
watched an interview with the leader of the Right Sector you know the Nazi lot in Ukraine and he has made it clear that they the neo-swastika mob are NOT going to recognise any cease fore!
Is that right?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/15/us-ukraine-crisis-idUSKBN0LH14T20150215
(Reuters) - Ukraine's rebels disavowed a new truce on Sunday hours after it took effect, saying it did not apply to the town where most fighting has taken place in recent weeks.
Guns fell abruptly silent at midnight across much of eastern Ukraine in line with the ceasefire agreement, reached after a week of diplomacy led by France and Germany. But pro-Russian rebels announced they would not observe the truce at Debaltseve, where Ukrainian army forces were encircled..
....
A Ukrainian military spokesman said the ceasefire was being "generally observed". Its forces had been shelled 10 times since the truce took effect in "localized" incidents, and no soldiers had been killed.
A Ukrainian staff officer stationed near Debaltseve said: "The general level (of attacks) has decreased, although there are violations."
Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko, wearing the uniform of the armed forces' supreme commander, announced the order to stop firing in a midnight televised address, but said there was still alarm over Debaltseve.
So the ceasefire is mostly in effect, except for the pro-Russian rebels breaking it, especially around that town.
Next time, Howie, get real news instead of some bullshit highlighting an unnamed loudmouth that most likely has no authority in the matter.
Unfortunately for you I do get real news and are you telling me that the USA has never used propaganda? If so your childish stuff brained into you from childhood is even more obvious. So answer that charge especially with the modern history your country has dealing with any country that doesn't want to follow your failed and corrupt system or be forced into business transactions by your corporate leaders or military nuts. You lot are brought up thinking your country is a paragon of virtue and does nothing wrong including propaganda which should almost have a capital h.
Anything Kiev tells you misfits is just accepted and some of it is so ridiculous it is like talking to delayed child minds like your thinking. May I yet again remind you that at the last truce inbetween odd skirmishes on both sides it was the Ukrainian Army that launched a big offensive to thate that airport! And yet another repeat which your shut mind ignores and that is the public statement of the Leader of the Right Sector (which has fighters in the war) saying in public and on television that he and his fantical organisation does NOT recognise the cease-fire . It also has members in the Kiev government so why don't you say something about that lot of ne-Nazis?? Nope that doesn't suit the closed US mind. Plus the fact that the rebels were not at the talks.
It is okay for you neocon kindergarten minds to think your country is so great in the world but heaven help anyone whoe don't toe your line. Maybe you should spend more time dealing with the constantly rising trillions of debt leave off starting wars and do something inside to alleviate the millions who are poverty struck and losing homes. Ukraine is still corrupt with the government tnal came in after that illegal coup and all the money being dished out will be wasted.
The western side of Ukraine has been west leaning for some time and was the home of their own Nazi and SS lot during WW2 so small wonder those in the East are suspicious of them and now ne-Nazis in the government, But hey that is okay as long as a they wave an ant-Russian flag. You and the other half wots who think Kiev is wonderful and the Russians automatically the bad guys will enevr get away from the daft perception you have of the two-faced American policy is. Instead of being prepared to answer what I have said about your Nazi pals and much else you choose to ignore what you don;t want to hear. Small wonder your government has been concerned about education because those here like you are emphasising that weakness. Everyone else wrong and misguided. America the inspiration for the world. Yeah right in a carnival mind.
Why not just respond without all the trash talk?
And what would he do with the rest of his occupational-therapy time?
Well, he could use the time to learn to read and write.
Well, he could use the time to learn to read and write.
:o
Wherever else? :right:
The reason there is no response is the culprits actually cannot do that so instead being of limited grey cell use resort to trying to be smart arses, scoff and ridicule. I would say they in fact do themselves no credit at alland should try answering direct questions and situations. At least I have had a long background in the public world wheras they have not and instead try to be big boys in a small Forum. It makes them feel content but that they can only stretch to scoff and not to answering does at least indicate much and isn't to their credit. :P
And there's your answer. RJ is absolutely incapable of responding here in any way without trash-talking everybody else. Trash-talk is the only thing he has.
Kinda sad, really. :(
It makes them feel content but that they can only stretch to scoff and not to answering does at least indicate much and isn't to their credit. :P
You did get an answer, Howie. The answer is that pro-Russian rebels are the ones breaking the ceasefire. Unlike you, I provided a source. That's Reuters, a wireservice used by different news agencies around the world. You provide an unnamed, random schmuck and refuse requests to reveal your sources.
I provided the link for a reason, oh worldly and accomplished one. Within you'll find the rebels themselves saying they broke the ceasefire. It's not just Kiev saying it. What part of this fails to penetrate your skull?
On a more or less unrelated note:
Media you can/should trust.
Several German online portals like "ZDFheute", "Focus Online", "Tagesspiegel.de" or "Zeit Online" have presented recently, Russian tanks entering Ukrainian territory. Their source was as usual, probably the military leadership from Kiev.
As proof they also showed a photo. The funny thing is that the same photo was already presented in 2009, during the Georgian conflict.
(https://dndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fblauerbote.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F02%2Fzdf_falschbild_georgien.png&hash=23061114d629af5fd6492f6cd4128e5f" rel="cached" data-hash="23061114d629af5fd6492f6cd4128e5f" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://blauerbote.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/zdf_falschbild_georgien.png)
The same old photo you can also see here (http://blog.daum.net/007nis/15854067), published 2009.05.06. :)
Now "ZDFheute" has removed that old photo and replaced it with a newer one made on Russian territory.
What shows the Russians and the separatists is Kieve propaganda? The rebels did break the ceasefire and said "of course we did...."
Funny thing, though. On Huete.de I find a different image ;)
(https://dndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.heute.de%2FZDF%2Fzdfportal%2Fblob%2F37215490%2F1%2Fdata.jpg&hash=4b9615d9104195e592b5187eb87a9bf4" rel="cached" data-hash="4b9615d9104195e592b5187eb87a9bf4" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://www.heute.de/ZDF/zdfportal/blob/37215490/1/data.jpg)
So how do we know that photo wasn't published there in 2009? Oh yes, the site identifies those tanks as Ukrainian. Can you provide a direct link to the article, instead of a photo that for all we know could have come from a blogger that's lying/misinformed himself? I did a search like this (http://www.zdfneo.de/form/globale-suche-10.html?action=search&text=ukraine&searchSessionID=S0_3d0402&offset=0) but it seems non of the articles have the photo in question, at least not in their thumbnails. The articles are conventionally found in chronological order :yes:
@Sanguinemoon
If you reread my post above:
Now "ZDFheute" has removed that old photo and replaced it with a newer one made on Russian territory.
Here you go sir: http://www.heute.de/liveblog-zum-ukraine-gipfel-in-minsk-ringen-um-frieden-fuer-die-ukraine-37145464.html
Copy the text below the new image and make a test for GoogleTranslate (http://translate.google.com/).
Good luck. :)
Would it surprise anybody that both sides are probably ladling on the propaganda thick and heavy, with photos to show the enemy in as bad a light as possible?
Today we live in the age of Photoshop, as well. Seeing is deceiving.
You don't know any more than I do Sanguinemoon who did the minor breaks on the latest cease-fire. May I also inform you dear brained that nether side has removed all the heavy stuff. How do you think you are giving a balanced summary when you totally ignore the leader of the Right Sector making that public statement that they have no intention of stopping shooting. Instead you give a childish not even sensible reply. I will give mJsmsprt40 a more POSITIVE (!) in that he feels both sides are as eachy-peach. That you ignore a party that is ne-Nazi has ministers in the Kiev "government" and says it will not stop fighting shows a degree of mental incapability on your part. So far the breaks in the cease-fire have been minor but you again totally ignored the hard fact that at the last one it was the Ukrainian Army that mounted a large attack on the airport. But there again any information that does not suit your closed mind and bigotry is just bypassed.
As for the Ukrainian Army it isn't really much of a thing at all. That America is considering the possibility of "just defence weapons" is another insult to intelligence. Guns of any description, kill. Russia having played a full part in the international negations is still being ill treated and beyond comprehension. The so-called government in Kiev and emphasised by a Prime Minister who is full of spite, hate and stupidity is no help. And how did Ykriane get through the typical freezing winter> Well thanks to Russia!
Here you go sir: http://www.heute.de/liveblog-zum-ukraine-gipfel-in-minsk-ringen-um-frieden-fuer-die-ukraine-37145464.html (http://www.heute.de/liveblog-zum-ukraine-gipfel-in-minsk-ringen-um-frieden-fuer-die-ukraine-37145464.html)
Copy the text below the new image and make a test for GoogleTranslate (http://translate.google.com/).
Good luck.
The image is (https://dndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.heute.de%2FZDF%2Fzdfportal%2Fblob%2F34670662%2F2%2Fdata.jpg&hash=ee581724a097161c3c02478c81825df3" rel="cached" data-hash="ee581724a097161c3c02478c81825df3" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://www.heute.de/ZDF/zdfportal/blob/34670662/2/data.jpg)
But they admit the wrong picture was used before.
Today we live in the age of Photoshop, as well. Seeing is deceiving.
We also live in the age of the 24 hour news cycle, meaning there's sloppy reporting and grabbing the wrong photo just to be the first to break a story. Fox News had be been notorious for incorrectly labeling countries and making other mistakes even on politically neutral stories.
How do you think you are giving a balanced summary when you totally ignore the leader of the Right Sector making that public statement that they have no intention of stopping shooting.
The Right Sector is not the Ukrainian government, Howie. :p It's not hard to find articles detailing how they clash with the Ukrainian police.In other words, he's was still just a random idiot with no government authority and you still refuse to reveal the source. What you're doing would the equivalent of quoting a member of the British National Party while refusing to give any source and saying he represents the Scottish government.
May I also inform you dear brained that nether side has removed all the heavy stuff.
How can the Ukrainian army remove its "heavy stuff" while being fired on by separatists, who admit to breaking the ceasefire.
Russia having played a full part in the international negations is still being ill treated and beyond comprehension.
Because they're the ones the supplies the separatists and stoked the fires of war in the first place. Putin has shown time and time again that he's not to be trusted.
Russia having played a full part in the international negations is still being ill treated and beyond comprehension.
Because they're the ones the supplies the separatists and stoked the fires of war in the first place. Putin has shown time and time again that he's not to be trusted.
Good luck with that one, sir. Mr. Howie is a Putin supporter.
I imagine that Mr. Chamberlain would have believed Mr. Putin.
I imagine that Mr. Chamberlain would have believed Mr. Putin.
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OK. So, as I understand this, we're all "brained" because we don't accept RJHowie's explanation of events wholesale. Hmmmm....
I was able to find this at a slang site, but don't think that's what Rj means. :o
fellatio.
I asked this girl to give me some brain and she said that she doesn't do that.
But they admit the wrong picture was used before.
LOL
They had no other choice after being caught.
The last drop of credibility is on stake.
BTW, more about it in English (http://rt.com/news/232963-germany-russia-tanks-ukraine/), so you don't have to stress GoogleTranslate.
You won't like the source but that's not my problem.
However it is as trustworthy as US or German media are. In some cases like this one, it's even better.
Photos. Gotta love 'em.
Seeing is deceiving, especially when someone wants to make you believe something that just ain't so, but needs to back it up with photographic proof.
Yep, I'm "The Man of Steel" and here's the photo to back up my claim:
(https://mjmsprt40.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/iamsuper.jpg)
LOL
They had no other choice after being caught.
The last drop of credibility is on stake.
That's one site in German, little used outside Germany out of how many thousands and it used the wrong picture. Must likely an editorial error, which I tried to point out to you do happen.
Watch this video (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/02/18/ukraine-troops-begin-retreat-from-battered-railway-hub-as-cease-fire-crumbles/) It notes the sophisticated Russian weaponry that separatists magically acquired without Russia giving it to them. BUT note its criticism of the Ukrainian president trying to spin the battle his way despite a clear defeat and it's criticism of the effectiveness of the Ukrainian military. What's the moral? Western media is not Kiev propaganda and is as quick to criticize it as the Kremlin and separatists. This silly idea the Western media only repeats propaganda is propaganda itself.
Yep, I'm "The Man of Steel" and here's the photo to back up my claim
What would happen if a large asteroid slammed into the Earth?
Nothing! Our own Man of Steel would catch it and send it back where it came from. Super Michael will save the day.
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Krake and Howie, please check Ersi's post (https://dndsanctuary.eu/index.php?topic=194.msg35452#msg35452)if you haven't already. One erroneous photo doesn't change anything.
One erroneous photo doesn't change anything.
Even a hundred thousand erroneous photos won't change anything. It's a standard these days to grab a random photo to go along with the text. Of course it would be nice to be aware of it when publishing and honestly state "this photo is here just for generic illustrative purposes". Soviet Union was a great propaganda school that taught me to always consider pictures separately from the text.
What matters is if the text is worth to be taken seriously. If the text is not disputed, then the facts stand as stated.
To be honest, I usually don't give a rat's flea infested ass about the photo. The content of the article is what matters. It wouldn't be surprising if the explanation is that some intern was asked to find a photo of a Russian tank and grabbed the wrong one.
If Fox makes a mistake the liberals get a good lol about about; if MSNBC makes one the conservatives do the same and life goes on. Heute fucked up with the picture, life goes on. It's obvious to most of us that doesn't make everything Fox, MSNBC or Heute says wrong.
I wonder if the pro-Putin side an find any evidence of America meddling in the region or just go to great lengths to deny Russian involvement. Or in Howie's case, go on a random diatribe about America.
To be honest, I usually don't give a rat's flea infested ass about the photo. The content of the article is what matters. It wouldn't be surprising if the explanation is that some intern was asked to find a photo of a Russian tank and grabbed the wrong one.
Note that the problem is that they showed a picture of Georgian tanks as an illustration of Russian tanks, not that it was an old picture. Only an ignoramus would think that the caption saying "In the night […] about 40 rocket launchers and tanks went by [some checkpoint],
says Ukrainian army PR person" would show a picture of the actual tanks in question.
Kind of funny in a way saying that Russia cannot be trusted - and America can? You either have a lot to learn Sanguinemoon or you just accept everything dished out on your controlled media. Unfortunately mjsmsprt40 you might well be a man of steel as the me of steel from over there have been corporate minded so superman principles go out the window.
All the rancid lies about the Baltic States being under threat originated from Kiev the supplier of false photographs to the media. Kiev knows this will encourage America and the West and excuse to move NATO closer to Russia and that is damn stupid. The greatest political Satin is not going to control Russia financially or any other way and about time someone stood up to the arch-hypocrisy of a badly run country victimising the bear. Ukraine is where they have Nazi parades every year to remember their own who fought for the SS, etc during WW2 and who did some evil work during that event. They even have a monument to the evil git. Ukraines is a deeply divided country and has always had internal ethnic groups of one sort or another. That the West sees it more something to support a Kiev government with Nazis in it says much. I have yet to see on this thread any condemnation of the Right Sector leader who steadfastly spoke publicly about totally ignoring any cease-fire. Why is this?
Like before it will be body-swerved and replaced by gobbledygook.
Controlled media, Howie? So where do you get your info? Probably RT, which is funded by the Russian government :p As far as the picture itself, Heute already had it in their archives and a mistake was made matching it with the article. Again, though, the content of the article is what matters and not the picture.
Do tell us, Howie, what the seperatists are doing with new Russia weaponry. Here's the run down on separatist weaponry (http://www.businessinsider.com/russian-weapons-separatists-using-in-ukraine-2014-11?op=1) A lot of it is Soviet era leftovers and could have been seized from government forces, but some of it could have only been supplied by Russia and was never in use by Ukraine. An example of this are some tanks:
However, the separatists have also used Russian tanks that are not known to have ever been exported outside of the country such as the T-72B and T-72BA. Notably, the separatists have also deployed the T-72B3, the latest T-72 model in the Russian service. The tank is not known to have been exported and it was just introduced into service in 2013 indicating Russian involvement in the crisis.
Do you get it yet, Howie? There are only two possibilities: 1) Russia gave the seperatists those tanks. Or the more plausible explanation is that Russian troops were operating the tanks, since you just don't give away new tanks to a bunch of rebels.
Infantry Fighting Vehicles And Armored Personnel Carriers
Strikingly, separatists have also been documented driving the BTR-82AM IFV. This model was inducted into Russian service in 2013 and is not known to have ever been exported.
That's right, Howie. Personnel carriers that could have ONLY come from Russia or were, in fact, operated by the Russian military.
Self-Propelled Air Defense Systems: In general, the separatists used systems that could have been used from Ukraine, but not exclusively. An example of this is the Russia Pantsir-S1. Were did the separatists get them, if not from Russia?
There are other weapons such the Russian VSS designated marksman rifle.
What's you're answer, Howie and Krake? The rebels do have sophisticated weapons that could have only come from one place. Some rant about America's less stellar actions won't change that nor will it change the fact the some of the weapons (the tanks especially) are most likely operated by Russian forces. None of this is hard to understand once you put done the RT (again, Howie that's quite literally state controlled media. I have to repeat myself for you since you have the attention span of a retarded kitten with ADHD.)
Also note the brilliance of Russia exporting the Kornet anti-tank weapon to Gaza. That's brilliant, isn't it?
There is nothing new under the sun. During the Korean war, it is now known that Russian pilots were flying MiGs over Korean airspace. Probably for the same reason Sang mentions about rebels and Russian tanks--- you don't hand the keys of the latest greatest hottest jet in the air to potential future enemies. Or to inexperienced pilots.
Firstly the "pictures of the Russian invasion."
The pictures were supplied by Kiev MP's and what did the West do? Lap them up like kids with sweets. Must have been quite a disappointment to find they were as far back as 2008 and somewhere else altogether, haha. When this fracas started the rebels too much of the Kiev army and good luck to them. Your clown in the White House has been mouthing off at the sovereignty of a country being disrespected! Eh? The head of a country that send drones into countries without permission when it suits? Destabilises countries that don't knuckle to US and it's commercial/military empire. The other day a Kiev minister was asked directly by German interviewers think it was about the Right Sector involvement. And what do you know Sansguinemoon he admitted they were in the fight! Not only that bu worked under Ukrainian Army control. Now how can that be when the Right Sector has publicly said with some venom it does not recognise the cease-fire?! You like most of the simple minds over the pond just ignore what you do not want to hear so come on now admit the Right Sector is wrong and that they should not be in the government at Kiev.
I said that there were Russian volunteers in East Ukraine and many Cossacks who are not army but a tradition in their own right. Kiev comes out with lie after lie and you just believe them because like the routine American you were brought up to have Russia as an enemy no matter what. So i say there are volunteers there but you repeatedly ignore what I say about the Right Sector and that Kiev governemnt has welcomed the nazis into the fight?! Instead of a federal country that Kiev did not want I reckon that the east will end up being separated and it is the fault of the West not the Russians. Add to this is the hard fact that much of the heavy industry is in the East and the stupidity of Kiev means they will now lose all of that. So as you see Kiev as sainthood and that it appreciates the suppirt of Nazis then I have to say you are in the same corner and shame on you.
On a passing general note it is laughable for Americans bleating about Russian Air force and Korea. That coming from a nation that did that very thing over Russia for years until a U" got shot down! There is an odd morality with you Sanguinemoon with you and Russia but supprting a regime that is happy to have Nazis in it's battling and yet the Kiev government says it is in control of the RS even though the Sector tells us something else! In some pictures they have neo-Nazi symbols and one they actually have a large swastika! Well done Kiev for your broad base.
Russia has never wanted to take in the East and has SAID so but it wanted to keep a close traditional linkl having so many Russian speakers there. In the West they actually have a memorial to their Nazi leaderr during WW2 and have Nazi parades to commemorate them so wise up because they are treating you like fools and you are great example of that!
Can you stop bullshiting about the Right Sector, Howie? Eve the RT (http://rt.com/news/188572-ukraine-riots-poroshenko-radicals/) now has stories about them threatening the Ukrainian government. Kiev did not
Not only that bu worked under Ukrainian Army control.
The Right Sector refuses to obey the Ukrainian government, you do know this right?
Strawmen burn easily, Howie. I challenge to learn something for once in your life. Despite my link to RT for illustrative purposes, put down that Russian government ragsheet, for the love of God. It takes ten seconds and Google to learn that the Right Sector is a much (if not more so) of a problem for Kiev as it is for the seperatists and Russia.
This (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alexander-motyl/putin-calls-ukraine-fasci_b_6600292.html) story is from HuffPo, but it relatively well balanced and informative about about this idiotic charge Russia makes of Ukraine being fascist.
It begins by explaining what fascism is, a logical place to start.
Then:
Ukraine has a tri-partite government structure characterized by an independent presidency and parliament and a semi-independent (though corrupt) judiciary, a vigorous multi-party system, fair and free elections -- most recently, of both president and the parliament -- a free (if sometimes irresponsible) press and protection of human, civil and minority rights. Of special importance is the fact that Ukraine's government is run by civilians only and that its president -- Petro Poroshenko -- has none of the strongman features that a fascist supreme leader promotes via a machismo-based cult of personality. Last but not least, Ukraine has not pursued any of the repressive policies associated with fascism. Oppositions, minorities and marginal groups thrive, civil society is strong, and, if anything, Ukrainians accuse the government of being too weak -- and certainly not too strong.
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IS UKRAINE RULED BY FASCISTS?
Supporters of the Ukraine-is-fascist argument might say that Ukraine is not fascist, but its rulers are fascists who want to establish a fascist system of rule. Alas, this claim is absurd.
Poroshenko and his predecessor, Acting President Oleksandr Turchynov, are obviously not fascists. None of the current cabinet members has anything resembling fascist credentials. The government that succeeded the corrupt Yanukovych dictatorship in late February 2014 consisted of 19 individuals: only two (Defense Minister Ihor Tenyukh and Deputy Prime Minister Oleksandr Sych) were members of the right-wing Svoboda party and one, the Secretary of the National and Security Defense Council Andriy Parubiy, had right-wing ties until 2004.
In early 2014, Svoboda had 38 seats in Ukraine's parliament -- out of a total of 450. Svoboda's leader, Oleh Tyahnybok, had run for president in the 2010 elections that brought Yanukovych to power and received 1.43 percent of the vote. He ran again, in the presidential ballot of May 25, 2014, and received 1.16 percent. Dmytro Yarosh, head of the right-wing Right Sector, received a mere 0.70 percent in 2014. In the October 26, 2104, parliamentary elections, Svoboda and the Right Sector got, respectively, six seats and one seat.
Note poorly the Right Sector candidate fared in the election, Howie. The Right Sector is not Ukraine.
So why, then, do Putin and his supporters see fascism ablaze in Kyiv? There are several reasons for this bizarre charge.
First, as the above characterization of fascism's key features should have suggested, the country that possesses all of them is not Ukraine -- but Putin's Russia. Its democratic institutions are at best moribund, having been transformed into pliant tools of the Kremlin; civil society and the press have been severely circumscribed; representatives of the military and secret police dominate all ruling elites and suffuse them with their antidemocratic ethos; the Russian nation and state are unabashedly glorified; Putin is the undisputed leader, and his macho image exudes vigor, youth and manliness; a variety of rabidly pro-Putin youth groups act as the vanguard of the state; the population overwhelmingly supports Putin and has done so since he assumed the presidency; ethnocentrism, a mistrust of both internal and external foreigners and a corresponding glorification of Russia's past (including its criminal Stalinist period) and present are the official worldview; Russia has taken to asserting its "rightful" place in the sun by engaging in war against Georgia and Ukraine.
It makes a great deal of sense for Putin and his propaganda apparatus to accused Ukraine of the very crime that he has committed -- so as to deflect world attention from his own transformation of Russia into a repressive state.
Second, the Kremlin needs to insist that Ukraine's democrats are fascists because it insists that Yanukovych was a democratic leader. Yanukovych was corrupt and dictatorial. He was rapidly closing down Ukrainian civil society and transforming the parliament into a rump institution, but he was too incompetent and too comical to be able to project the he-man image that Putin had perfected. Since the Kremlin refuses to acknowledge the right of people to oust tyrants, it has to insist that Ukraine is ruled by a "junta" -- which is just shorthand for fascism. According to this logic, Americans had no right to rebel against King George, and the government led by Washington, Jefferson and Hamilton was nothing but a junta!
Finally, the Kremlin's insistence that democratic Ukraine is fascist goes back to old Soviet -- as well as tsarist Russian -- stereotypes of Ukrainians who insisted on their democratic and/or national rights as traitors, agents of imperialism, capitalist stooges and, of course, fascists. Ironically, continued use by Putin and his supporters of such terminology demonstrates just how deeply they are still ensnared in Stalinist political culture.
The bottom line is this: Putin has transformed Russia into a fascist state. Ukraine ousted Yanukovych in order to avoid becoming fully authoritarian. The war Putin unleashed against Ukraine is his way of telling Ukraine that fascism and democracy are incompatible.
Putin is the Russian Mussolini, but I remember you praising the latter.
You are still veneering off the matter of the Right Sector. So yet again I have to repeat the interview with the Ukrainian government minister who when asked said the Right Sector was very much with them and works in conjunction with the Ukrainian Army. Everyone knows the Sector is Nazi inclined hence the addition of the swastika yet the Kiev government has them in their Cabinet and must know these crazies are at the same time hell-bent on refusing to accept a cease-fire! Now that is some government and system.
For some time now these head bangers have been parading annually and usually included for a while very old members of the Ukraine SS during WW2. Never did I ever here of condemnation from the West or for the memorial put up for their murderous Ukrainian "fuhrer." Ukraine was a mess before the upheaval a year ago and it is self created no-one else needed to cause this becaue it is very, very deeply divided and Kiev ignored the East and were ridiculous in handling things. How a unified country could continue was always in dangerous of falling aprt. Even without the US or Russia this tragedy would still have happened and to add to the problem dishing our loads of money to a rapidly failed State is another waste of time.
So yet again I have to repeat the interview with the Ukrainian government minister
Which one, and when did this happen? You saying you saw an interview means absolutely nothing. Do you not know the basic questions of who, what, where, how and why?
You are still veneering off the matter of the Right Sector. So yet again I have to repeat the interview with the Ukrainian government minister who when asked said the Right Sector was very much with them and works in conjunction with the Ukrainian Army. Everyone knows the Sector is Nazi inclined hence the addition of the swastika yet the Kiev government has them in their Cabinet and must know these crazies are at the same time hell-bent on refusing to accept a cease-fire! Now that is some government and system.
For some time now these head bangers have been parading annually and usually included for a while very old members of the Ukraine SS during WW2. Never did I ever here of condemnation from the West or for the memorial put up for their murderous Ukrainian "fuhrer." Ukraine was a mess before the upheaval a year ago and it is self created no-one else needed to cause this becaue it is very, very deeply divided and Kiev ignored the East and were ridiculous in handling things. How a unified country could continue was always in dangerous of falling aprt. Even without the US or Russia this tragedy would still have happened and to add to the problem dishing our loads of money to a rapidly failed State is another waste of time.
You have mentioned "veneering" in previous posts. Is it possible that you mean "veering"?
Veneer: A thin panel of fine-looking wood laid on a base of particle board. Makes cheap, crappy furniture look like fine, well-made furniture.
Veering off: To turn aside suddenly. RJHowie veered off from the subject of Russian involvement in the Ukraine to make the thread yet another attack on "Ex-colonials".
But how about the content of his post? That is, instead of a spelling lesson.
Or, better yet....
In 1623 the English poisoned the wine at a "peace conference" with Powhatan leaders, killing about 200; they physically attacked and killed another 50.
In 1637 in the Pequot War, English colonists commanded by John Mason, with Mohegan and Narragansett allies, launched a night attack on a large Pequot village on the Mystic River in present-day Connecticut, where they burned the inhabitants in their homes and killed all survivors, for total fatalities of about 600–700.
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PS Thank you Wikipedia!
Screw the Russians, this is much more fun.
Veering off: To turn aside suddenly. RJHowie veered off from the subject of Russian involvement in the Ukraine to make the thread yet another attack on "Ex-colonials".
Another example:
RJHowie veered off from the subject of Russian involvement in Ukraine to misrepresent a a group within the country as the government or at least government supported when, in fact, they're internal threat to Ukraine that happens to be fighting Russians on their own.
The Russian "involvement" in Ukraine is by the volunteers I mentioned and especially Coassacks. You really have a nerve telling me i am going off Sanguinemoon. It is an rather vague elementary way of avoiding what does not suit you. May I also say that the man in the White House has had the nerve to criticise Russia for interfering with Ukraine's sovereignty when you lot have been doing that very thing for decades across the globe! Now you do a dance over the nzi involvement WITH the Kiev government. Well what an interesting principled stand you show. It is okay for Nazi inclined ministers their Nazi Right Sector volunteers who are not going to stop fighting bu you make excuses for them?!
Ukrainian Army officers have already been seen being miffed about being informed they would have reinforcements sent to the place they are surrounded. Then the President had to come out with an excuse the reinforcements were 3 days too late! He also said the Army had hold of the airport when in fact it had been forced to retreat and all this during a time Ukrainian soldiers were surrendering because they were fed up being lied to not getting supplies or ammunition. So rather than admit that the army is sunk low in the morale matter they try to cover that with trying to insinuate they are fighting the Russian Army. Jimbro's contribution is pointless going back centuries ago to a pre-modern and simple time instead of facing modern truths!
Kiev comes out with lie after lie because they are a bunch of losers. The army is stuck with a fight many of it's troops do not want to be in. This mess was started by Kiev NOT the east and they just come out with lie after lie because they are incompetent, incapable and happy like you are to have Nazis helping them. Dear, oh dear!
So yet again I have to repeat the interview with the Ukrainian government minister
Do you not know the basic questions of who, what, where, how and why?
Obviously not.
Next question?
The Russian "involvement" in Ukraine is by the volunteers I mentioned and especially Coassacks.
Yep. The Russian army officer says to his troops "I need volunteers to go to Ukraine." The volunteers from his battalion step forward to volunteer :p Oh, you're daft enough to mean those are citizen's militias or the like. You give those rifles and little else. Only the Russian army drives the latest tanks.
As usual tt92 trying to avoid anything that requires using his grey cells. It is always a fall back when you cannot answer a matter or incapable to time after time just go on slagging. Would not be so bad if you actually were properly involved but nope you like to think acting as you do but in fact saying nothing.
Meanwhile the West continues OT's involvement in Ukraine. Obama a while back at the time the coup happened stated he had helped "broker a deal". Hhhm, interesting. That headbanger McCain was over there giving support (shows how desperate Kiev must have been). Then NATO that overdue lot for disbanding pushing for bases as we are being suffering propganada about the baltics even though that matter is utter bunkum as i pointed out. If I was Russia then I would be tempted to stop selling power at reduced rates to a failing mes of a country like Ukraine. And those in the West that loan money better steel themselves for another Greek repeat.
Lies just spew out of Kiev and the US led West just accepts them without any scrutiny or sense. And continuing to repeat the US hypocrisy the land of the free supported a coup against an elected government. This always gives an excuse for Yanks to spread their military as well as help military corporates and their Wall Street buddies. Small wonder America can be a global dictator when the run of the mill ex-colonists have the mindset of Sanguinemoonism. If looking for volunteers for the one-way trip to Mars send the White House lot because they are all the same and would not be missed.
The winner of the Most Random Post Award goes to.......rjhowie!
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As usual tt92 trying to avoid anything that requires using his grey cells. It is always a fall back when you cannot answer a matter or incapable to time after time just go on slagging. Would not be so bad if you actually were properly involved but nope you like to think acting as you do but in fact saying nothing.
Meanwhile the West continues OT's involvement in Ukraine. Obama a while back at the time the coup happened stated he had helped "broker a deal". Hhhm, interesting. That headbanger McCain was over there giving support (shows how desperate Kiev must have been). Then NATO that overdue lot for disbanding pushing for bases as we are being suffering propganada about the baltics even though that matter is utter bunkum as i pointed out. If I was Russia then I would be tempted to stop selling power at reduced rates to a failing mes of a country like Ukraine. And those in the West that loan money better steel themselves for another Greek repeat.
Lies just spew out of Kiev and the US led West just accepts them without any scrutiny or sense. And continuing to repeat the US hypocrisy the land of the free supported a coup against an elected government. This always gives an excuse for Yanks to spread their military as well as help military corporates and their Wall Street buddies. Small wonder America can be a global dictator when the run of the mill ex-colonists have the mindset of Sanguinemoonism. If looking for volunteers for the one-way trip to Mars send the White House lot because they are all the same and would not be missed.
...Out of breath from reading this post by the ex-colonial...
And continuing to repeat the US hypocrisy the land of the free supported a coup against an elected government.
If the elected government is bad, it's time to otherthrow it.
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it's natural manure.
That's the option when all peaceful means have expired. Tell a red blooded American he can't rebel and he'll laugh and say "Fuck you." Oh dear, it seems I used profanity.
We've also tried to stop a number of coups against elected-- or maybe not elected, but still ruling party-- governments. I reckon RJHowie isn't happy about that either. Seems you can't win. If you support the ruling party, you're a bad guy. If you want to overthrow the ruling party, you're a bad guy. Ain't no pleasing the man, so don't even try.
That's the option when all peaceful means have expired. Tell a red blooded American he can't rebel and he'll laugh and say "Frick you." Oh dear, it seems I used profanity.
Not to worry. That's the sort of thing I hear at my wife's hair dresser. And 'frick' isn't profanity.
Far too simple y far mjsmsprt40 (and Sanguinemoon). What country has the complete record of interfering with sovereignty and internal affairs like America?! Instead of accepting the hard facts since WW2 instead a petty lip as if unfairly singled out. It does not matter whether a government is elected or not if the place doesn't conform to your idea of "democracy" (you don't practice yourself) or give into to your commercial interests (hence the regular excusing of defending your interests) then heaven help them. Just think of all the dictatorships you supported in South America which was a big list in just one part of the world and how well your commercial side was in them too.
The average Yank doesn't see this because of the way they have been brought up to think they are the greatest country in the world and has some therefore inherent right to influence everyone else. Well good on Russia sticking that rubbish up your nose. You could "win" Chicago man if you practiced what you preached. :devil:
Far too simple y far mjsmsprt40 (and Sanguinemoon). What country has the complete record of interfering with sovereignty and internal affairs like America?! Instead of accepting the hard facts since WW2 instead a petty lip as if unfairly singled out. It does not matter whether a government is elected or not if the place doesn't conform to your idea of "democracy" (you don't practice yourself) or give into to your commercial interests (hence the regular excusing of defending your interests) then heaven help them. Just think of all the dictatorships you supported in South America which was a big list in just one part of the world and how well your commercial side was in them too.
The average Yank doesn't see this because of the way they have been brought up to think they are the greatest country in the world and has some therefore inherent right to influence everyone else. Well good on Russia sticking that rubbish up your nose. You could "win" Chicago man if you practiced what you preached. :devil:
What?
:jester:
The average Yank doesn't see this because of the way they have been brought up to think they are the greatest country in the world and has some therefore inherent right to influence everyone else.
Indeed, the average Yank is uninformed and doesn't care about it.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/apr/18/britain-destroyed-records-colonial-crimes (http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/apr/18/britain-destroyed-records-colonial-crimes)
Makes sense that average yank (or Brit for that matter) doesn't know because the British destroyed the records of anything "might embarrass Her Majesty's government" , such as inhuman atrocities.
Many, but not all.
The papers at Hanslope Park include monthly intelligence reports on the "elimination" of the colonial authority's enemies in 1950s Malaya; records showing ministers in London were aware of the torture and murder of Mau Mau insurgents in Kenya, including a case of aman said to have been "roasted alive"; and papers detailing the lengths to which the UK went to forcibly remove islanders from Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean.
However, among the documents are a handful which show that many of the most sensitive papers from Britain's late colonial era were not hidden away, but simply destroyed. These papers give the instructions for systematic destruction issued in 1961 after Iain Macleod, secretary of state for the colonies, directed that post-independence governments should not get any material that "might embarrass Her Majesty's government", that could "embarrass members of the police, military forces, public servants or others eg police informers", that might compromise intelligence sources, or that might "be used unethically by ministers in the successor government".
And still depending on tha tlefty, liberal, Guardian. Dear, oh dear.
tlefty?
tlefty?
tlefty: adjective; to the tlefty as opposed to the trighty.
And still depending on tha tlefty, liberal, Guardian. Dear, oh dear.
Says the clown who still thinks the Daily Fail is a news paper :right:
Rag report, rag report!
And still depending on tha tlefty, liberal, Guardian. Dear, oh dear.
Says the clown who still thinks the Daily Fail is a news paper :right:
The Guardian isn't that leftist anyway. It's a pink-colored liberal.
The Times would be its more right-leaning equivalent. The left-wing equivalent of the
Daily Mail is probably something like the
Daily Mirror.
All that aside, the
Daily Mail also ran at least one story on this subject… http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2515353/How-UK-ordered-Mau-Mau-files-destroyed-Archives-reveal-staff-cleansed-dirty-documents-relating-colonial-crimes.html
Well that depends Frenzie. It was originally in the Midlands and for a long, long time it was also names the "Manchester Guardian." However as it was declining it decided to try and be national as the original Liberal party base was no longer what it was. It has liberal leanings and also labour party at times. You only have to listen to some of their reporters speaking on tv discussions. But is is still declining. There is litle point going into detail on Macallan's usual up himself arrogance. Doesn't matter what you detail to that one he just comes out with a name.
As for Russia I am glad in a sense that is is back on the world stage as the leading lot are the most hypocritical, lying and usurping country on earth! And of course they will get sniffy about anyone daring to challenge. However they will not be able to destabilise, invade like it does anywhere else and that in itself is a sign of wider hope for the world at large. Roll on the debt collapse! :devil:
he Guardian isn't that leftist anyway. It's a pink-colored liberal.
Pink-colored liberal?? a son of bitch atheist/protestant fifth column of Americans against the Holy Mother Church, against the Pope, against latin lovers that drives their wifes mad asking for real sex, against Civilization.
Basically a bunch of sissies with homosexual tendencies.
Well I am np pink liberal with pansy tendencies nor Us leanings and I have read the Scottish Catholic Observer........ :o
The fact is that today it's trivial to factcheck claims made on site, so the source's political leanings are becoming less relevant. Often, the source's political leanings show up in the editorials, no the actual reports.
Well that depends Frenzie. It was originally in the Midlands and for a long, long time it was also names the "Manchester Guardian." However as it was declining it decided to try and be national as the original Liberal party base was no longer what it was. It has liberal leanings and also labour party at times.
To me, liberal leanings is by definition not leftist. Labour party at times is leftist-ish at times, and that's what makes it pink-colored.
Pink-colored liberal?? a son of bitch atheist/protestant fifth column of Americans against the Holy Mother Church, against the Pope, against latin lovers that drives their wifes mad asking for real sex, against Civilization.
Basically a bunch of sissies with homosexual tendencies.
Socialists (leftists) are red. Liberals (rightists) are blue. Mix them and you get purple. If you have only a little red, you get pink.
Often, the source's political leanings show up in the editorials, no the actual reports. (https://dndsanctuary.eu/index.php?action=reporttm;topic=804.106;msg=36041)
That's interesting, I see it very much the other way. Editorials are just the justification for being non neutral, the real propaganda it's located at all those news and articles so readers don't even realize how insidiously they are being misinformed.
Socialists (leftists) are red. Liberals (rightists) are blue. Mix them and you get purple. If you have only a little red, you get pink.
I see...
Actually, I prefer these days listen to leftists speech than the "neo something" imbecility. "Liberal" and Right aren't the same thing.
Regardless, you can still fact check the news report quickly and easily. Often the news reports aren't much more than a copy/paste job from Reuters which is why Fox News and Huffington Post can carry the same story written 99% (if not 100%) exactly the same way despite being political opposites.
Usually Reuter's copy paste relates to earthquakes somewhere, that kind of thing. I don't read "popular" media so I never analyzed how political leaning works at such media, I suppose it will be through simple stupidification.
Anyway my references for an important newspaper would be Le Monde, not The Times.
"Liberal" and Right aren't the same thing.
Right is not liberal, but liberal is right. A dog is not a Rottweiler, but a Rottweiler is a dog.
"Liberal" and Right aren't the same thing.
Right is not liberal, but liberal is right. A dog is not a Rottweiler, but a Rottweiler is a dog.
:) You're Right. Sorry, right.
Straight from TASS: Russian Navy, border guards halt state border violation by UK warship off Crimea (https://tass.com/defense/1306303)
Brits just can't believe it.
A Russian patrol ship and fighter jet fired warning shots towards a British destroyer in the Black Sea, reports in Russia say.
Moscow's defence ministry said that HMS Defender entered Russian territorial waters near Crimea.
The UK's Ministry of Defence has not yet commented.
The MOD is denying that it happened. Not sure if I should believe them or not.
The BBC story has been extensively updated by now.
If this map is true, then Brits seem to have been testing Putin's nerves.
(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/cpsprodpb/36F1/production/_119056041_finalmap.png)
Our correspondent, who had been invited on board the ship before the incident happened, saw more than 20 aircraft overhead and two Russian coastguard boats which at times were just 100m (328ft) away.
This is at odds with statements from both the British prime minister's office and defence ministry, which denied any confrontation.
[...]
This case is reminiscent of a similar incident in November 2020, when Russia accused a US warship of travelling 2km into its waters in the Sea of Japan.
Classified Ministry of Defence documents found at bus stopClassified Ministry of Defence documents containing details about HMS Defender and the British military have been found at a bus stop in Kent.
One set of documents discusses the likely Russian reaction to the ship's passage through Ukrainian waters off the Crimea coast on Wednesday.
...
The documents, almost 50 pages in all, were found in a soggy heap behind a bus stop in Kent early on Tuesday morning.
A member of the public, who wishes to remain anonymous, contacted the BBC when he realised the sensitive nature of the contents.
...
A series of slides prepared at PJHQ shows two routeing options, one described as "a safe and professional direct transit from Odessa to Batumi", including a short stretch through a "Traffic Separation Scheme" (TSS) close to the south-west tip of Crimea.
This route, one slide concluded, would "provide an opportunity to engage with the Ukrainian government… in what the UK recognises as Ukrainian territorial waters."
Three potential Russian responses were outlined, from "safe and professional" to "neither safe nor professional".
The UK is now being run by idiots.
"Liberal" and Right aren't the same thing.
Right is not liberal, but liberal is right. A dog is not a Rottweiler, but a Rottweiler is a dog.
That's fair enough. Though while liberalism is a more or less consistent collection of ideologies and ideals, the right/left axis is highly contextual. If we take the traditional economic axis, left = more state and right = less state, the "less is more" liberal attitude should put them on the right, but that is not, and has not, always been the case.
However, I am racking my brain to think of any current democracy where the liberals are to the left. They would be to the left of the Trumpites and the current US national parliament, but that system is not very representative of the population as a whole.
However, I am racking my brain to think of any current democracy where the liberals are to the left. They would be to the left of the Trumpites and the current US national parliament, but that system is not very representative of the population as a whole.
In the US both parties used to be liberal. And over here, Green parties are typically a form of liberals. Or in any case, they're more like liberals than like the socialists they purportedly grew out of.
Kremlin papers appear to show Putin’s plot to put Trump in White House (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/15/kremlin-papers-appear-to-show-putins-plot-to-put-trump-in-white-house)Vladimir Putin personally authorised a secret spy agency operation to support a “mentally unstable” Donald Trump in the 2016 US presidential election during a closed session of Russia’s national security council, according to what are assessed to be leaked Kremlin documents.
The key meeting took place on 22 January 2016, the papers suggest, with the Russian president, his spy chiefs and senior ministers all present.
They agreed a Trump White House would help secure Moscow’s strategic objectives, among them “social turmoil” in the US and a weakening of the American president’s negotiating position.
Russia’s three spy agencies were ordered to find practical ways to support Trump, in a decree appearing to bear Putin’s signature.
By this point Trump was the frontrunner in the Republican party’s nomination race. A report prepared by Putin’s expert department recommended Moscow use “all possible force” to ensure a Trump victory.
Western intelligence agencies are understood to have been aware of the documents for some months and to have carefully examined them. The papers, seen by the Guardian, seem to represent a serious and highly unusual leak from within the Kremlin.
The Guardian has shown the documents to independent experts who say they appear to be genuine. Incidental details come across as accurate. The overall tone and thrust is said to be consistent with Kremlin security thinking.
Assuming this is genuine, even assuming it is not, someone with access to it must have passed it on to
the Guardian for some reason, and at this time.
While there are some indications that this report isn't genuine, to this day, it still blows my mind that more people didn't understand that Trump isn't mentally stable. Seriously, all you have to do is listen to him talk for a few minutes to realize his speech patterns are incoherent and rambling; he slurs his speech but is a non-drinker, gets easily confused, etc.
The "stolen" 2020 election conspiracy theory is often called "the big lie." I'm not convinced that he is lying. Rather, in his dementia, he fully subscribes to his delusion. Seriously, the man needs a neurologist's help.
Now there is a programming language in Russian. We are all going to need it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4EOMbmIqqw
Decent April Fool's.