Poll
Question:
Do you consider Islam a 'Religion of Peace'?
Option 1: Yes
Option 2: No
Option 3: Not Sure -- Let me ponder while enjoying a few dozen ice cold beers & some pork sausage off the barbi!
What are Islam's true political & religious teachings according to Koran & other teachings of Mohammad?
Is Islam truly a Religion of Peace, or are it's teachings a threat to all Non-Islamist peoples of the world - Infidels or Kafirs.
Who do Islamists consider Infidel or Kafir?
Could they be described as:
⚫ Atheists – do not believe that god exists.
⚫ Deists – believe that reason and observation of the natural world are sufficient to determine the existence of a "Creator".
⚫ Agnostics – have no claim or knowledge of whether or not a god exists, & do not care one way or the other.
⚫ Skeptics – question religious authority, & are skeptical of all religious beliefs &/or practices that are unverified or unproven.
⚫ Non-Believers - Any person who rejects 'God in Islam', or who hides, denies, or covers the 'Islamic version of Truth.'
So, do you consider Islam a Religion of Peace, or do you consider otherwise?
Why?
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That reminds me of this report (http://iheu.org/story/you-can-be-put-death-atheism-13-countries-around-world). You'll note that atheists can be put to death simply for being an atheist in 12 Islamic countries.
That reminds me of this report (http://iheu.org/story/you-can-be-put-death-atheism-13-countries-around-world). You'll note that atheists can be put to death simply for being an atheist in 12 Islamic countries.
Or for not wanting to be a muslim anymore.
Yup.
I'm damned in at least 3 categories. :I miss the scared emoticon here:
Feel free to use it. It might start working in the future. :P
No problem at all with Islam, a so peaceful religion as any other.
Is has some advantages over Christianism, mainly at cohesion social aspects and charity. Besides, are the only ones to really understand what luxury is about.
It has however the same problems of Protestantism, literal interpretations of sacred books mixed with absence of centralized, hierarchical organization and authority leading to that anyone can appear speaking and acting in the "name of Allah".
I am glad I am not apart of that religion or a muslim. I enjoy being different. I wonder if I would feel the same if I had grew up in that culture?
I am glad I am not apart of that religion or a muslim. I enjoy being different. I wonder if I would feel the same if I had grew up in that culture?
Which one? It's not like there's a single muslim culture or that they're all Taliban.
I'm damned in at least 3 categories. :I miss the scared emoticon here:
This one??? (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/smileys/scared.png)
"Abolition of blasphemy is what the EU Guidelines on Freedom of Religion or Belief are pushing for, it's what the UN Special Rapporteur on freedom of religion or belief wants: a global repeal of blasphemy to protect everyone's right to convert."
But they can't say so. Too many immigrates… (Is it just my English-only sensibility that hears "in-grates"?) "If these six countries can't do it (Iceland, Denmark, New Zealand, Poland, Germany and Greece) what hope is there for countries that punish insults to religion with death?"
They don't believe in hope. We shouldn't, either.
We should take to heart the ancient maxim: Might makes right!
(If there was ever a short-list of countries that would be expected to evidence the results of the Enlightenment, wouldn't those be included? :)) )
An interesting thing in Islam, it considers Jesus Christ, Son of Maria, an Holy man, a Wise man, with many teachings that are worthy of listen and follow.
They just don't consider him a prophet, someone that God has given a mission to - that one and only one would be Mohamed. To them, someone to call himself "Son of God" is too much, let's say... ambitious...
A very practical religion, Islam, much more than Christianism. Wash your hands, don't eat this, don't eat that, all of that were what we can call proper public health measures at the time, to prevent epidemics. So religion and practical life are much more connected amongst them.
It's really interesting to speak with any cult Muslim person and compare both religions.
In preference, somewhere where they can enjoy a whiskey, they will be glad to offer you one as the excellent hosts they are.
A very practical religion, Islam, much more than Christianism. Wash your hands, don't eat this, don't eat that, all of that were what we can call proper public health measures at the time, to prevent epidemics. So religion and practical life are much more connected amongst them.
It's really interesting to speak with any cult Muslim person and compare both religions. In preference, somewhere where they can enjoy a whiskey, they will be glad to offer you one as the excellent hosts they are.
Appropriate description, I must say. People everywhere are usually just people, not some murderous maniacs.
I have also had the opportunity to enjoy the hospitality of Muslims. It seems to be culturally required, but it's also remarkably impeccable. Both Islam and Judaism are very practical religions in terms of hygiene and such. But Islamic civilisation is superior on the outside. Both Judaism and Islam originated among obscure desert peoples, but Jews remained an obscure desert people until Christians made them prominent. In contrast, Muslims made themselves a world power all by themselves.
As to religion of peace, I don't know of any grand civilisation that would be peaceful. Just like the "love" is a slogan in Christianity that can mean anything, so is it with "peace" in Islam. Jews and Christians taught this to Muslims. Not that Muslims are blameless now, it's just that all cultures share this feature and tend to mutually reject and annihilate each other based on this.
Still, as regular people, I have found it easy to get along with Muslims.
Which one? It's not like there's a single muslim culture or that they're all Taliban.
Agreed. Painting the entire Muslim world with one broad brush is a mistake. Not every Muslim is a Taliban killer, just as not every Christian genuflects before Pope Francis.
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Sochi terror fears grow as new Islamic militant video threatens to strike tourists at Olympics[/glow]
[glow=black,2,300]
Islamic Terror on the march in Russia?[/glow]
An Islamic militant group in Russia’s North Caucasus claimed responsibility Sunday for twin suicide bombings in the southern city of Volgograd last month and posted a video threatening to strike the 2014 Winter Olympics in Sochi.
There had been no previous claim of responsibility for the bombings, which killed 34 people and heightened security fears before next month’s Winter Games.
In the video, two Russian-speaking men warned President Vladimir Putin that “If you hold these Olympics, we will give you a present for the innocent Muslim blood being spilled all around the world: In Afghanistan, in Somalia, in Syria.”
They added that “for the tourists who come, there will be a present, too.”....................continued
(https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/PointRt.gif) SOURCE ARTICLE (http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/01/19/islamic-militants-threaten-to-strike-tourists-at-sochi-olympics-as-they-claim-responsibility-for-suicide-bombings/) (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/PointLft.gif)
(https://dndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FxaEbAyU.jpg&hash=7dcd8b8ba91aada1da23d3af978349cd" rel="cached" data-hash="7dcd8b8ba91aada1da23d3af978349cd" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://i.imgur.com/xaEbAyU.jpg) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnX22eivJ7I)
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Video[/glow]
-- Click on the beard to watch.
What do you think of this newest installment from the[glow=black,2,300]
"Religion of Peace"[/glow]
? Makes ya wanna go right out there & hug a Mujahadeen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mujahideen). (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/muslim008.gif)
What do you think of the latest from the "Religion of Peace"?
Just a few miscreants out of millions of peaceful adherents.
At any rate, nothing to worry about since Herr Putin says that everybody will be safe. ::)
Ban beards at the Olympics!
What do you think of the latest from the "Religion of Peace"?
Just a few miscreants out of millions of peaceful adherents........
Well, until those so called
millions of peaceful adherents, as you casually label them, call for the same punishments that are prescribed for
Apostatizing from Islam under Islamic Law. I think we should all hold those so called
millions of peaceful adherents accountable for the deeds of, as you so
cavalierly call them, the few miscreants (the murderous Terrorists), rather than giving them a politically correct type free pass.
By the inaction of these so called
millions of peaceful adherents, they signify their concordancy.
At any rate, nothing to worry about since Herr Putin says that everybody will be safe. ::)
After safeguarding Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria ..., Emperor Obama is sending warships into the Black Sea to make sure nothing can go wrong in the region.
Speaking of Putin....that's one of my daughters overlooking him.
(https://bf1-attach.ymail.com/us.f1617.mail.yahoo.com/ya/securedownload?mid=2_0_0_4_13908_AITOimIAAAGoUt7l6AAAAIE%2FhA8&pid=2&fid=Trash&inline=1&cred=QRf.CCq9Ir4pG6rPA45Uvi08fJCAL242_NP0hsGNm9p9awg-&ts=1390384523&partner=ymail&sig=E7mhDHh4Uq8FtDbk1rm2Cg--)
Is this (https://bf1-attach.ymail.com/us.f1617.mail.yahoo.com/ya/securedownload?mid=2_0_0_4_13908_AITOimIAAAGoUt7l6AAAAIE%2FhA8&pid=2&fid=Trash&inline=1&cred=QRf.CCq9Ir4pG6rPA45Uvi08fJCAL242_NP0hsGNm9p9awg-&ts=1390384523&partner=ymail&sig=E7mhDHh4Uq8FtDbk1rm2Cg) one of your daughters you are speaking about?
I don't know if I want to see that link, but in any case it doesn't work. :P
It works for me at least :P
Checked with Opera Presto and Firefox :)
NFG here too......a Yahoo Sign-in is required....skrew that.
I signed in and it still doesn't work. Probably because it's not an attachment to an e-mail in my inbox.
Hmm, weird.
I'm not signed in nor have I an account at Yahoo.
Wonder what goes wrong on your side ::)
(https://files.myopera.com/Krake/files/Opera+Firefox.jpg)
Edit: Since the ad is in German, I get it probably because of my IP.
So far the mistery is probably solved.
Wonder though why you don't get an ad according to your IP/language.
Ban beards at the Olympics!
It's not all about beards. Perhaps the biggest miscreant in the ME is the good old US of A.
(https://dndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newscientist.com%2Fdata%2Fimages%2Fns%2Fcms%2Fmg21929240.200%2Fmg21929240.200-1_300.jpg&hash=4d9623a94477a40c1ad535b7b4f51dfb" rel="cached" data-hash="4d9623a94477a40c1ad535b7b4f51dfb" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://www.newscientist.com/data/images/ns/cms/mg21929240.200/mg21929240.200-1_300.jpg)
See http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21929240.200-martyr-myth-inside-the-minds-of-suicide-bombers.html (http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21929240.200-martyr-myth-inside-the-minds-of-suicide-bombers.html)
And http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-weigant/60-years-of-middle-east-m_b_3782504.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-weigant/60-years-of-middle-east-m_b_3782504.html)
[glow=black,2,300]Islamic Cleric Suggests Babies Wear Burqas to Prevent Rape[/glow]
..... A Saudi cleric has proposed this solution to molestation of young girls: they should be required to wear burqas.
While no law or practice in Islam requires that baby girls wear burqas, Sheik Abdulla Daoud suggested that covering the babies in burqas would keep them from being raped. Daoud made the controversial comment on TV last year, stating that babies were being molested in Saudi Arabia.
The video recently surfaced on social media, and elicited shocked and indignant response from fellow Saudis.
“Now the baby victims are blamed for men’s crimes. Allah help us stop the ignorance, stupidity,” tweeted Masleeza Othman ....... continued
~~ also ~~An al-Qaeda ‘peace envoy’ in Syria has blown himself up among a rival militant group, killing 16 of them including two commanders, a new report says.
The so-called Syrian Observatory for Human Rights reported on Sunday a militant from al-Qaeda’s Islamic State of Iraq and Levant (ISIL) was sent to a group of rival militants, in al-Raei town in Aleppo, as a ‘peace envoy’ for negotiations.
It was the second time the envoy was sent for talks, but this time he turned out to be a suicide bomber who killed 16 people and wounded 20 others.
The ISIL militants also detonated a car bomb in front of the targeted group’s base as the bomber pulled the trigger on his suicide vest....... continued
What do you think??
ASAK
Perhaps that particular Cleric should wear a chastity belt as an example to his over-sexed young male followers.
Just when you think they can't say anything more ludicrous than the last time…
Just a few miscreants out of millions of peaceful adherents.
7 percent of the world's Muslims are "political radicals" who believe the 9/11 attacks were completely justified. Yet another 29.6 percent think the 9/11 attacks were partially or in some way justified. This takes the total world-wide percentage of Muslims who think the mass-slaughter of innocent non-Muslim (and some Muslim) civilians on 9/11 was either completely, partially or some way justified, up to 36.6 percent, or almost 4 out of every 10 Muslims.
7 percent of the world's Muslims are "political radicals" who believe the 9/11 attacks were completely justified. Yet another 29.6 percent think the 9/11 attacks were partially or in some way justified. This takes the total world-wide percentage of Muslims who think the mass-slaughter of innocent non-Muslim (and some Muslim) civilians on 9/11 was either completely, partially or some way justified, up to 36.6 percent, or almost 4 out of every 10 Muslims.
Speaking about polls (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polls_about_9/11_conspiracy_theories) - 15% (World Average, 2008) think the U.S. govt. was behind the 9/11 attacks.
That's after all more than one out of ten, worldwide.
Speaking about polls - 15% (World Average, 2008) think the U.S. govt. was behind the 9/11 attacks.
That's after all more than one out of ten, worldwide.
That just shows you how many paranoid conspiracy theorists there are running loose in the world.
........This takes the total world-wide percentage of Muslims who think the mass-slaughter of innocent non-Muslim (and some Muslim) civilians on 9/11 was either completely, partially or some way justified, up to 36.6 percent, or almost 4 out of every 10 Muslims.
Give or take a million, somewhere around [glow=black,2,300]
55 million [/glow]Islamists ---- more Islamists (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/muslim008.gif) than England has inhabitants (men, women, transvestites, various other deviants, & offspring (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/angryhatchling.gif) there of).
That just shows you how many paranoid conspiracy theorists there are running loose in the world.
Whatever, not all conspiracy theorists have to be paranoid.
Some conspiracy theories might turn true some time.
NSA Conspiracy Theories Turn Out To Be Totally Correct (http://marketfailure.wordpress.com/2013/06/07/nsa-conspiracy-theories-turn-out-to-be-totally-correct/)
Some conspiracy theories [glow=black,2,300]might turn true[/glow] some time.
NSA Conspiracy Theories Turn Out To Be Totally Correct (http://marketfailure.wordpress.com/2013/06/07/nsa-conspiracy-theories-turn-out-to-be-totally-correct/)
Totally Correct??
Not yet.....
The closest statement that can to date be
'totally correct', is that the theories are
presumed 'totally correct' -- by some.Your NSA Conspiracy Theories, no matter how widely reported, & regardless of how many
'credible' journalists report on them, & also regardless of who believes in them or how many believe in them, those theories are still simply nothing more than theories until bona fide, first hand evidence is presented, & actually proven in a court of law.
Consensus means jack-squat, nothing, zero, zilch, nada, shit all.
Most probably correct? Hmmmm ..... Stay tuned.
Whatever, not all conspiracy theorists have to be paranoid.
Do you believe in conspiracy theories? People who believe the world is full of conspiracies, think that the world is run by a group of wealthy old men who dream these schemes up in the smoky backrooms of some secret hideaway. There are secretive things that happen, but a very scant few of them end up being anything you could call a true conspiracy.
Out of curiosity, who all has Muslim friends?
I have 5 Muslim friends, and all are quite peaceable, especially my buddy from Pakistan, currently living in the UK.
Define "friend".
I have one Christian. Michael. So far so well;)
those theories are still simply nothing more than theories until bona fide, first hand evidence is presented, & actually proven in a court of law.
Absorutely!
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I have 5 Muslim friends, and all are quite peaceable, especially my buddy from Pakistan, currently living in the UK.
Watch out sir!
According to jseaton2311, two among of those 5 Muslim friends must be dangerous.
those theories are still simply nothing more than theories until bona fide, first hand evidence is presented, & actually proven in a court of law.
Absorutely!
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Abstrusely!
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I have 5 Muslim friends, and all are quite peaceable, especially my buddy from Pakistan, currently living in the UK.
Watch out sir!
According to jseaton2311, two among of those 5 Muslim friends must be dangerous.
Well, they haven't been violent yet.
@Josh: Friend, as in you chat with them, visit them at their apartment/flat, enjoy their company from time to time.
@Josh: Friend, as in you chat with them, visit them at their apartment/flat, enjoy their company from time to time.
You're not suggesting that Josh is, er...er...like Putin, are you?
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-CeehXmWR83I/UvRVz1p7KmI/AAAAAAAAR1M/WzaS4oDQYE8/w469-h328/PutinShower.jpg)
Dealing more seriously with the reality of Islamic terrorism, take a glance at what polling data reveal.
One example: Pew Research (2011): 8% of Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (81% never).
28% of Egyptian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (38% never).
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/opinion-polls.htm (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/opinion-polls.htm)
Here's an Iranian's perspective on Islam. He summarizes his argument as follows:
But before that, let me stress that I’m not denying that the other factors are important. Certainly the poorer the people are, the more likely they are to get radicalized. It doesn’t help if you starve a ruthless tiger. Undoubtedly democracy and safety and freedom of speech would somehow improve the situation. For sure the history of Western colonialism and the conflict with Israel have worsened the situation. It doesn’t help if you poke the ruthless tiger with an iron blade.
But none of this means that the tiger is not a tiger, that it is actually a poor angry misunderstood kitty. It is wrong to reduce everything to religion. But it is also equally wrong to pretend that religion is not there, and does not contribute to the situation.
I also understand that there are very different readings of Islam. Yes, there were Muslim mystics who were liberal and open minded. There were mystics who praised Satan as God’s greatest worshipper and his holy agent on earth. [However, it’s wrong to assume all mystics and all Sufis were like that]. By all accounts, the Mu’tazilah movement was as rational and as tolerant as one could be in the confines of a religion. Nowadays there are Muslim thinkers like the late Egyptian scholar Nasr Hamed Abou-Zeid or the Iranian philosopher Abdolkarim Soroush who are moderate, liberal, tolerant, and advocate the idea that Koran was not the literal word of Allah.
I know all of that. But I don’t care. Not because I want to only look at the evidence which supports my claim. Because I want to look at all the evidence. Movements and people like this are (1) in the absolute minority and (2) contradict the main spirit of Islam. They are fringe elements.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/marginoferr/2014/02/26/is-islam-a-more-radical-religion-part-2/
Certainly the poorer the people are, the more likely they are to get radicalized. It doesn’t help if you starve a ruthless tiger.
Or, as was the case in the American South during the Depression, to turn to Jesus and white lightning, sometimes leading to things like this.
(https://dndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fbp3.blogger.com%2F_EABuPIKLAtM%2FRbk0uwqREqI%2FAAAAAAAAALc%2FV6QPTsYMJvo%2Fs1600%2Fkid%2B2.jpg&hash=30d0d1798c22732e023b5879dc1c03a2" rel="cached" data-hash="30d0d1798c22732e023b5879dc1c03a2" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://bp3.blogger.com/_EABuPIKLAtM/Rbk0uwqREqI/AAAAAAAAALc/V6QPTsYMJvo/s1600/kid+2.jpg)
Gimme part 1.
How selective from Michigan. Wonder what picture can be produced for the north of the nation?
Something like this.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcStZgzA8b8a04qWmSepDH_OmpDr9gZJS723Vp5Sol6zKy1494cPlw)
I don't know the date of that photo from Detroit in the Depression era, but I was a child at the time. Happily, my father was employed at an auto factory the whole time.
But this also happened in Detroit when I was six years old. The trouble-making brother of a friend was knifed in one riot melee. I also made my first Black friend at about the same time.
(https://www.mtholyoke.edu/courses/rschwart/clio/detroit_riot/DetroitNewsRiots1943_files/fire.gif)
It wasn't Danbuzu, is it?
I know that you're interested in trains. Take a look at the photos of the old railroad station in Detroit which is now a monument of shame and decay.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Michigan+Central+train+station,+Detroit&rlz=1C1DVCJ_enUS567US567&espv=210&es_sm=122&tbm=isch&imgil=39u0JbKmIPf4rM%253A%253Bhttps%253A%252F%252Fencrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com%252Fimages%253Fq%253Dtbn%253AANd9GcRz0E453I3DPiniQgmqXt7tkCRuAcjnGZQesLbpsGYvQ4SB3cAfDg%253B948%253B628%253BvpbHg06RNZ8DGM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.npr.org%25252Fblogs%25252Fpictureshow%25252F2009%25252F06%25252Ftrains.html&source=iu&usg=__vq3a9WSQBCStOaWw7vYv0Zf5s5o%3D&sa=X&ei=0ooQU9vJIsmwyQHRg4HAAQ&ved=0CEoQ9QEwBA&biw=1067&bih=542#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=U2Kj08AgKy0avM%253A%3BKrOhRCHWAYGqoM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Ffarm3.staticflickr.com%252F2737%252F4089010020_30afcbaa28_o.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.flickr.com%252Fphotos%252F30711379%2540N07%252F4089010020%252F%3B3208%3B2160 (https://www.google.com/search?q=Michigan+Central+train+station,+Detroit&rlz=1C1DVCJ_enUS567US567&espv=210&es_sm=122&tbm=isch&imgil=39u0JbKmIPf4rM%253A%253Bhttps%253A%252F%252Fencrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com%252Fimages%253Fq%253Dtbn%253AANd9GcRz0E453I3DPiniQgmqXt7tkCRuAcjnGZQesLbpsGYvQ4SB3cAfDg%253B948%253B628%253BvpbHg06RNZ8DGM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.npr.org%25252Fblogs%25252Fpictureshow%25252F2009%25252F06%25252Ftrains.html&source=iu&usg=__vq3a9WSQBCStOaWw7vYv0Zf5s5o%3D&sa=X&ei=0ooQU9vJIsmwyQHRg4HAAQ&ved=0CEoQ9QEwBA&biw=1067&bih=542#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=U2Kj08AgKy0avM%253A%3BKrOhRCHWAYGqoM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Ffarm3.staticflickr.com%252F2737%252F4089010020_30afcbaa28_o.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.flickr.com%252Fphotos%252F30711379%2540N07%252F4089010020%252F%3B3208%3B2160)
You're not a Longest Link champion, though http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=KrOhRCHWAYGqoM&tbnid=U2Kj08AgKy0avM:&ved=0CAIQjBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm3.staticflickr.com%2F2737%2F4089010020_30afcbaa28_o.jpg&ei=2p8QU9rtA4Tq4wS5zIHQCQ&bvm=bv.62286460,d.bGE&psig=AFQjCNG4p9rXgt6WiuCdKWoZUMbSMOflwA&ust=1393684817596421
Nah, it seems you are.
No problem at all with Islam, a so peaceful religion as any other.
Is has some advantages over Christianism, mainly at cohesion social aspects and charity. Besides, are the only ones to really understand what luxury is about.
It has however the same problems of Protestantism, literal interpretations of sacred books mixed with absence of centralized, hierarchical organization and authority leading to that anyone can appear speaking and acting in the "name of Allah".
Alternatively, the problem with Islam is that it hasn't had the reformation that helped bring Christianity out of the dark ages.
(And that bit closer to a more sensible secular society)
Alternatively, the problem with Islam is that it hasn't had the reformation that helped bring Christianity out of the dark ages.
(And that bit closer to a more sensible secular society)
What took Christianity out of the dark ages was the so called renaissance of the year one thousand. Georges Duby, March Bloch and all other medievalists have demonstrate it for ages. A little bit before the "miracles" of reformation...
Reformation, meaning Lutero, Calvino and their followers, was a political/economical movement supported by the bourgeoisie in order to gain power masked under pretense religious divergence. It still is.
It opened the way to the selvage capitalism we assist today that hypocrisy calls liberalism.
Islam can pass very well without it.
Islam also had its brightest times around year one thousand: Avicenna, Ibn Tufayl, Ghazali. Of course over time this renaissance waned, but when Brits and Americans encroached into the area and began colonising, any chance of normalcy was gone for good. Islam survived Mongol and Turk supremacy, but British and American colonisers have a special gift for irreparably screwing up anything they touch.
Information is trickeling in from China, but it's starting to look like Islamist Extremists --- yes, the [glow=black,2,300]
Religion of Peace[/glow] is at it once again.
China: Dozens Stabbed To Death After Knife-Wielding Muslims Attack Train Station (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/more-killings-feared-as-china-hunts-terrorists/story-e6frg6so-1226843001840#)CHINA is facing a fresh wave of ethnic violence after a group of black-clad Muslim separatists were blamed for a stabbing spree that killed 29 people at a railway station on Saturday....... continued
Alternatively, the problem with Islam is that it hasn't had the reformation that helped bring Christianity out of the dark ages.
(And that bit closer to a more sensible secular society)
What took Christianity out of the dark ages was the so called renaissance of the year one thousand. Georges Duby, March Bloch and all other medievalists have demonstrate it for ages. A little bit before the "miracles" of reformation...
Reformation, meaning Lutero, Calvino and their followers, was a political/economical movement supported by the bourgeoisie in order to gain power masked under pretense religious divergence. It still is.
It opened the way to the selvage capitalism we assist today that hypocrisy calls liberalism.
Islam can pass very well without it.
That's an interesting alternative take on history. Whether or not historical data on economic and technological advances support your theory is a little bit open to question.
And whether other little bits of data on development, growth of the middle class and life expectancy support your view is also a little suspect.*
(* Of course they do. Such is the joy of inventing and reinventing documented history! A religious speciality that the Catholic church excelled at. Still do, I hear...)
Information is trickeling in from China, but it's starting to look like Islamist Extremists
It appears to be Uyghur separatists, some have fingered the Pakistan-based East Turkestan Islamic Movement (also on the US terror list), but that seems to be pure guesswork.
This is a political and ethnic conflict, rather than a religious (of course religion is useful in a conflict as well). Inconveniently there millions of muslims in China, coexisting peacefully, but they don't have any territorial disputes.
Information is trickeling in from China, but it's starting to look like Islamist Extremists --- yes, the [glow=black,2,300]Religion of Peace[/glow] is at it once again.
China: Dozens Stabbed To Death After Knife-Wielding Muslims Attack Train Station (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/more-killings-feared-as-china-hunts-terrorists/story-e6frg6so-1226843001840#)
CHINA is facing a fresh wave of ethnic violence after a group of black-clad Muslim separatists were blamed for a stabbing spree that killed 29 people at a railway station on Saturday....... continued
While it has got its facts right this time, The Australian is a Murdoch propaganda sheet that is not highly regarded and is prone to bend the truth.
Not something I would quote without double-checking.
And whether other little bits of data on development, growth of the middle class and life expectancy support your view is also a little suspect.
"Development", "middle class" and "life expectancy" - the trilogy of political correct materialism. Traduced as consumerism, herds and fear of death.
Whatever, I enjoy "suspect" views. :)
And whether other little bits of data on development, growth of the middle class and life expectancy support your view is also a little suspect.
"Development", "middle class" and "life expectancy" - the trilogy of political correct materialism. Traduced as consumerism, herds and fear of death.
Whatever, I enjoy "suspect" views. :)
Gary also mentioned economic and technological advances, thus making it even clearer that his measure of development only consists of materialist values. Education, sustained peace and social cohesion failed to enter the picture. Thousand years ago people were more open-minded than they are now, and more structured, with a clear sense of purpose in their lives at the same time. This is an important measure for me at least.
Thousand years ago people were more open-minded than they are now, and more structured, with a clear sense of purpose in their lives at the same time. This is an important measure for me at least.
The proof of which comes from where?
Thousands of years ago, people sacrificed their children to the gods. While I can't prove that, I believe it firmly.
Thousand years ago people were more open-minded than they are now, and more structured, with a clear sense of purpose in their lives at the same time. This is an important measure for me at least.
The proof of which comes from where?
Thousands of years ago, people sacrificed their children to the gods. While I can't prove that, I believe it firmly.
With your standard of proof, I have plenty of proof: Read a book. Specifically, a book from a thousand years ago. Even more specifically, a book by the authors I mentioned.
Thousand years ago people were more open-minded than they are now, and more structured, with a clear sense of purpose in their lives at the same time.
Living life in plenitude.
Living life in plenitude.
Speaking of "Life", the Life Expectancy of people has increased a lot over the centuries. It must have taken an awful lot of religion to achieve that!
;D
Thousand years ago people were more open-minded than they are now, and more structured, with a clear sense of purpose in their lives at the same time. This is an important measure for me at least.
Allow me to back up. "People" is a vague concept. One can cherry pick selected thinkers, the ones who left a trail. How representative are those select thinkers of the general population.
Were Newton and Einstein representative of people in their world? I don't think so. We don't know what common people thought because they left no record.
“In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is.” - Yogi Berra, a famous American thinker.
PS "The fathers of the church accepted the buying, selling and owning of human beings. So did the popes: Muslim slaves were manning papal galleys until 1800. So did religious orders: Jesuits in colonial Maryland owned slaves, as did nuns in Europe and Latin America."
Thousand years ago people were more open-minded than they are now, and more structured, with a clear sense of purpose in their lives at the same time. This is an important measure for me at least.
Allow me to back up. "People" is a vague concept. One can cherry pick selected thinkers, the ones who left a trail. How representative are those select thinkers of the general population.
Were Newton and Einstein representative of people in their world? I don't think so. We don't know what common people thought because they left no record.
“In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is.” - Yogi Berra, a famous American thinker.
PS "The fathers of the church accepted the buying, selling and owning of human beings. So did the popes: Muslim slaves were manning papal galleys until 1800. So did religious orders: Jesuits in colonial Maryland owned slaves, as did nuns in Europe and Latin America."
Living life in plenitude.
Speaking of "Life", the Life Expectancy of people has increased a lot over the centuries. It must have taken an awful lot of religion to achieve that!
;D
You are an evil person, and I can prove it. At any rate, discussions of religion are guaranteed to express the Bullshit gene.
Thousand years ago people were more open-minded than they are now, and more structured, with a clear sense of purpose in their lives at the same time. This is an important measure for me at least.
Allow me to back up. "People" is a vague concept. One can cherry pick selected thinkers, the ones who left a trail. How representative are those select thinkers of the general population.
People is not a vague concept to me. Open-mindedness is also a very clear concept to me. Cherry-picking is also a clear concept. For example:
Were Newton and Einstein representative of people in their world? I don't think so. We don't know what common people thought because they left no record.
By excluding outstanding examples of people from your concept of people you are cherry-picking. By laying emphasis on "We don't know" and at the same time refusing to listen those who know is the opposite of open-mindedness.
“In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is.” - Yogi Berra, a famous American thinker.
Also, the tension between theory and practice provides a standard of measure of the theory when you investigate the tension and answer questions like:
- Is it possible to approach the theory in practice or not? Is the ideal of the theory attainable or not?
- When one approaches the ideal of the theory in practice, does it improve the quality of life or not?
PS "The fathers of the church accepted the buying, selling and owning of human beings. So did the popes: Muslim slaves were manning papal galleys until 1800. So did religious orders: Jesuits in colonial Maryland owned slaves, as did nuns in Europe and Latin America."
All your ancestors, religious and irreligious alike, owned slaves. Now, *my* ancestors, religious and irreligious alike, *were* slaves. That's people for you. Anything unclear?
All your ancestors, religious and irreligious alike, owned slaves. Now, *my* ancestors, religious and irreligious alike, *were* slaves. That's people for you. Anything unclear?
:Jim leaves the field, tail between legs, vowing to refrain from further posting lest it be discovered that he owns slaves:
Speaking of "Life", the Life Expectancy of people has increased a lot over the centuries. It must have taken an awful lot of religion to achieve that!
I see, elder people were unknown before the miracle of the industrial revolution and life expectancy has certainly exploded with the advent of atheism...
:Jim leaves the field, tail between legs, vowing to refrain from further posting lest it be discovered that he owns slaves:
One of whom is Jimbro3738.
:P
I am a slave to myself.
Nah! Rather to Jimbro37!:P
And whether other little bits of data on development, growth of the middle class and life expectancy support your view is also a little suspect.
"Development", "middle class" and "life expectancy" - the trilogy of political correct materialism. Traduced as consumerism, herds and fear of death.
Whatever, I enjoy "suspect" views. :)
Gary also mentioned economic and technological advances, thus making it even clearer that his measure of development only consists of materialist values. Education, sustained peace and social cohesion failed to enter the picture. Thousand years ago people were more open-minded than they are now, and more structured, with a clear sense of purpose in their lives at the same time. This is an important measure for me at least.
Not true. Education and social cohesion (you can pick other terms too if you wanted) are two of the foundations of society. How do you measure them? Growing middle classes, wealth, technological development etc etc.
Sustained peace? When did that happen? Ever?
People were more open minded a thousand years ago? I guess you could be right How else would Christianity or any other superstition have taken a hold? :)
A clear sense of purpose? I suspect the vast majority of people a thousand years ago has a crystal clear sense of purpose. As you say. Something along the lines of 'try not to die today'. Rich people joined in. 'Try not to die this week'.
Speaking of "Life", the Life Expectancy of people has increased a lot over the centuries. It must have taken an awful lot of religion to achieve that!
I see, elder people were unknown before the miracle of the industrial revolution and life expectancy has certainly exploded with the advent of atheism...
You might well be on to something!!! A quick look at a few graphs and charts show that both atheism and life expectancy rates started a steep climb from 1950 onwards!
Some people might suggest that things like 'WW2' might be a factor. But let's not worry about inconvenient factors, and celebrate, promote and worship your discovery instead! Hallelujah! Or whatever atheists say....
Hallelupasta?
You might well be on to something!!! A quick look at a few graphs and charts show that both atheism and life expectancy rates started a steep climb from 1950 onwards!
Wonderful. Mix it with gay liberation and you'll have the secret for eternal life...
Hallelupasta?
Haha! Nice. :D
..........charts show that both atheism and life expectancy rates started a steep climb from 1950 onwards!
[glow=green,2,300]Wonderful. Mix it with gay liberation and you'll have the secret for eternal life... [/glow]
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Don't forget the resurgence of the famed self-nutkicking kilted Scot --- all those raps to the sacks & he keeps on smilin'! (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/big%20laugh%20007.gif)
Education and social cohesion (you can pick other terms too if you wanted) are two of the foundations of society. How do you measure them? Growing middle classes, wealth, technological development etc etc.
As I thought. We measure those things very differently. I measure education by the quality of books people write. The comparative number of schools and students in successive eras is also a good measure, and evaluations as to what extent rulers support those institutions.
Social cohesion is measured by lack of internal strife, stability of social and administrative institutions, continuity of traditions. Things like that. Something called middle class is applicable only to this century and previous. It's a rather anacronistic and dubious concept to all earlier times.
Sustained peace? When did that happen? Ever?
There have been times and places. A current immediate example is Sweden - 300 years of peace. This is not unprecedented, depends on how you delimit it. If you desperately refuse to see peace among people and prosperity of arts and sciences in old times, you won't see it.
Please back on topic, will you. Thing is I've lots to say about what you're talking about, but I have no intent to add to the mess.
Please back on topic, will you.
Everyone is on topic but you.
Education and social cohesion (you can pick other terms too if you wanted) are two of the foundations of society. How do you measure them? Growing middle classes, wealth, technological development etc etc.
As I thought. We measure those things very differently. I measure education by the quality of books people write. The comparative number of schools and students in successive eras is also a good measure, and evaluations as to what extent rulers support those institutions.
Social cohesion is measured by lack of internal strife, stability of social and administrative institutions, continuity of traditions. Things like that. Something called middle class is applicable only to this century and previous. It's a rather anacronistic and dubious concept to all earlier times.
Sustained peace? When did that happen? Ever?
There have been times and places. A current immediate example is Sweden - 300 years of peace. This is not unprecedented, depends on how you delimit it. If you desperately refuse to see peace among people and prosperity of arts and sciences in old times, you won't see it.
We measure them differently? So, a society is educated providing it has good schools and a few decent books get written. Nevermind if no one acts of any of the lessons learned and the population continues living in piss poor poverty living hand to mouth. Okay dokey.
Alternatively, what I think you'll find is that with a decent education, you'll normally find a population making more intelligent decisions leading to increased prosperity, technological developments etc etc. That there are decent schools tends to be the forerunner of all of this...
Sweden is a great example. I agree. If you can quietly ignore the half dozen or so wars that they've gotten themselves involved in over the last 300 years. I'll award you ten bonus points if you can name the single civilisation in human history that did not arm itself and use those arms.
I'm going to Battle soon. Sustained peace for getting on a thousand years, since the last battle...
What has undoubtedly gone over your head, is that you have in a backhanded manner, agreed with my original point.
Nevermind. Jimbro was right. I should shuffle off to investigate this rumour about him and slaves...
Sweden is a great example. I agree. If you can quietly ignore the half dozen or so wars that they've gotten themselves involved in over the last 300 years.
Sorry I got the number wrong http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=114&artikel=5746324
They celebrated mere 200 years of peace. Looks like they consider loss of Finland also a war, even though this was practically decided in a real war a 100 years earlier.
This is how Swedes define their peace. You are of course welcome to your own opinion on what peace is, but it will be unengaging as long as you don't spell it out yet you assume everybody should accept your silent premises.
I'll award you ten bonus points if you can name the single civilisation in human history that did not arm itself and use those arms.
As I said, it depends on how you delimit things. If you now delimit things as "civilisation" rather than kingdom or the like, well, you have to define that one too.
What has undoubtedly gone over your head, is that you have in a backhanded manner, agreed with my original point.
Which original point? This one?
I suspect the vast majority of people a thousand years ago has a crystal clear sense of purpose. As you say. Something along the lines of 'try not to die today'. Rich people joined in. 'Try not to die this week'.
This was the element I have been objecting to. It was a mere undertext at first but soon enough you spelled it out properly. The way I see it, you have actually conceded my point now when you say:
what I think you'll find is that with a decent education, you'll normally find a population making more intelligent decisions leading to increased prosperity, technological developments etc etc. That there are decent schools tends to be the forerunner of all of this...
Except that you talk without examples, i.e. without data, so it's hard to say. Well, doesn't matter as long as you remain unspecific.
Sweden is a great example. I agree. If you can quietly ignore the half dozen or so wars that they've gotten themselves involved in over the last 300 years.
Sorry I got the number wrong http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=114&artikel=5746324
They celebrated mere 200 years of peace. Looks like they consider loss of Finland also a war, even though this was practically decided in a real war a 100 years earlier.
This is how Swedes define their peace. You are of course welcome to your own opinion on what peace is, but it will be unengaging as long as you don't spell it out yet you assume everybody should accept your silent premises.
Jesus. I'm having to prove that warfare, genocide, ethnic cleansing and violence is a common occurrence across the planet and across all eras, completely regardless of the dominant religion, level of education, economic development and skin colour????
I have to convince you that those lucky countries who have isolated periods of calm are the exception, not the rule? You, sir, are a tough audience! :)
What has undoubtedly gone over your head, is that you have in a backhanded manner, agreed with my original point.
Which original point? This one? ...
No. My original point. I'm not helping you out here.
I suspect the vast majority of people a thousand years ago has a crystal clear sense of purpose. As you say. Something along the lines of 'try not to die today'. Rich people joined in. 'Try not to die this week'.
This was the element I have been objecting to. It was a mere undertext at first but soon enough you spelled it out properly. The way I see it, you have actually conceded my point now when you say:
what I think you'll find is that with a decent education, you'll normally find a population making more intelligent decisions leading to increased prosperity, technological developments etc etc. That there are decent schools tends to be the forerunner of all of this...
Except that you talk without examples, i.e. without data, so it's hard to say. Well, doesn't matter as long as you remain unspecific.
WTF??
1. I have no idea what you're talking about.
2. You had a point? Seriously?
3. Planes, trains and auto-mo-fo-biles. Where's your data?!
What has undoubtedly gone over your head, is that you have in a backhanded manner, agreed with my original point.
Which original point? This one? ...
No. My original point. I'm not helping you out here.
I pointed out what I was responding to. You chose not to. So be it.
[glow=black,2,300]Iran orders man’s eyes to be gouged out after acid attack
[/glow]
The mad mullahs of Iran have ruled that a man who poured acid on a young girl’s face should be punished by having his eyes gouged out and his nose and right ear chopped off, according to an Iranian opposition group.
The sadistic attacker, identified only as Jamshid, was convicted last October by the clerical regime’s highest court of deliberately pouring acid on the face of a girl named Shirin, causing her to lose her own right ear and eyesight, according to the National Council of Resistance to Iran.
The Muslim theocracy’s top judges routinely order grisly punishments, including stonings and mutilation, arguing that it is justified under Islamic laws.
Anyone want to make book that they won't use sedatives or anesthesia?
Sounds like the peaceful law of a peaceful religion ....................... Yes?? No??
What do you think?
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What has undoubtedly gone over your head, is that you have in a backhanded manner, agreed with my original point.
Which original point? This one? ...
No. My original point. I'm not helping you out here.
I pointed out what I was responding to. You chose not to. So be it.
When I mentioned my original point, what I was referring to was my original point. Not some random point mid way through the conversation. The original one. I assumed that when I stated 'my original' point, you'd understand that that to mean the original point I made. This is a conversation. Usually, the original point will be the first point a person makes.
I didn't think this would be difficult. My bad.
Just to clarify, I was referring to my original point. Not any random points I made since then.
When I mentioned my original point, what I was referring to was my original point. Not some random point mid way through the conversation. The original one. I assumed that when I stated 'my original' point, you'd understand that that to mean the original point I made. This is a conversation. Usually, the original point will be the first point a person makes.
I didn't think this would be difficult. My bad.
Just to clarify, I was referring to my original point. Not any random points I made since then.
This is not difficult to understand at all. Thanks.
In turn, it should not be too difficult for you to understand that maybe what engaged me was a completely different point than your first. The same way as you respond to whatever lines are of interest to you, the exact same applies to me. I reply to whatever prompts my attention and, to keep it brief, I don't talk too long about what doesn't. I was in this discussion earlier and I have my own points whose trail I follow. Namely, there are specific authors of specific times living in specific places that I had already mentioned before you showed up.
You showed up here without any specifics and began claiming sweepingly something in the manner "all generations before us were hungry, stupid, and lived miserable brief lives; only people of prosperous middle class live satisfying lives". I showed my disagreement - with some specific references (no need for me to be much more specific than you are, just in case specifics are not your strong point).
It happens that people talk past each other. Here it happens all the time. Welcome to DnD.
Smiley, you wanna peace or justice? Or you wanna everybody let go?
Or a perp doing harm is ok, but same harm done to the perp is not peace?
You mix things up. Why using "peace" meaning forgiveness?
[glow=black,2,300]Iran orders man’s eyes to be gouged out after acid attack
[/glow]
The mad mullahs of Iran have ruled that a man who poured acid on a young girl’s face should be punished by having his eyes gouged out and his nose and right ear chopped off, according to an Iranian opposition group.
The sadistic attacker, identified only as Jamshid, was convicted last October by the clerical regime’s highest court of deliberately pouring acid on the face of a girl named Shirin, causing her to lose her own right ear and eyesight, according to the National Council of Resistance to Iran.
The Muslim theocracy’s top judges routinely order grisly punishments, including stonings and mutilation, arguing that it is justified under Islamic laws.
Anyone want to make book that they won't use sedatives or anesthesia?
Sounds like the peaceful law of a peaceful religion ....................... Yes?? No??
What do you think?
(https://dndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fx7Hml6K.jpg&hash=9a3827f466c433e28b7d8b392dcb03bf" rel="cached" data-hash="9a3827f466c433e28b7d8b392dcb03bf" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://i.imgur.com/x7Hml6K.jpg)
As I have said before, all of the Abrahamic religions have elements of violence in them. The adherents get to choose how to interpret it.
For instance, as you know, that jolly part of the the Bible known as the OT states that a victim of rape shall marry their rapist. That is fcuked up as heck, don't you agree?
/Inb4 Yeshua and the tripe about his "new covenant" is brought up, completely ignoring his comments about, "I have come not to abolish the law, rather to fulfill the law", along with the "Not one dot or iota shall be changed" verse.
Thousand years ago people were more open-minded than they are now, and more structured, with a clear sense of purpose in their lives at the same time. This is an important measure for me at least.
The proof of which comes from where?
Thousands of years ago, people sacrificed their children to the gods. While I can't prove that, I believe it firmly.
With your standard of proof, I have plenty of proof: Read a book. Specifically, a book from a thousand years ago. Even more specifically, a book by the authors I mentioned.
I get that the two of you think that poverty and ignorance is more noble than affluence, that suffering ennobles the spirit. But you are sitting in a comfortable century reading medieval romances, doing some mental time slumming, thinking you could get there what you can't get here.
There is little romantic about agrarian society, while there were exceptions life was poor, nasty, brutish, and short.
There is little romantic about agrarian society, while there were exceptions life was poor, nasty, brutish, and short.
You just might sound convincing, had I not grown up in a farm myself, amongst people who had been rural for times immemorial. You just might have a point if my knowledge were gathered from medieval romances. But this is not the case. Btw, do you know what a medieval romance is? It's a love story between a knight and a lady. You perhaps meant bucolic. But this is not my source of knowledge either.
I get that the two of you think that poverty and ignorance is more noble than affluence, that suffering ennobles the spirit. But you are sitting in a comfortable century reading medieval romances, doing some mental time slumming, thinking you could get there what you can't get here.
There is little romantic about agrarian society, while there were exceptions life was poor, nasty, brutish, and short.
I don't read romance novels, and can't imagine why you think that I hold the ideas you've invented.
I live happily in the world of drone strikes and internet porn. Agrarians are nice for keeping the larders full, but that's it.
You must stop smoking that stuff.
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But you are sitting in a comfortable century reading medieval romances, doing some mental time slumming, thinking you could get there what you can't get here.
There is little romantic about agrarian society, while there were exceptions life was poor, nasty, brutish, and short.
Georges Duby (October 7, 1919 – December 3, 1996) was a French historian specializing in the social and economic history of the Middle Ages. He ranks among the most influential medieval historians of the twentieth century and was one of France's most prominent public intellectuals from the 1970s until his death in 1996.
Another one "sitting in a comfortable century reading medieval romances"...
The past "is a far away foreigner country" exactly as for most western people Islam countries are. Ignorance about both is total and has been used for controlling the masses.
You just might sound convincing, had I not grown up in a farm myself, amongst people who had been rural for times immemorial. You just might have a point if my knowledge were gathered from medieval romances.
Your knowledge of medieval life was gathered from a twentieth century farm? :)
Btw, do you know what a medieval romance is? It's a love story between a knight and a lady.
I don't find that a very good description. It's about a knight, a quest, and the values of chivalry (visualized in a cross). What you're talking about is a later development, from the 12th century or so onward.
You just might sound convincing, had I not grown up in a farm myself, amongst people who had been rural for times immemorial. You just might have a point if my knowledge were gathered from medieval romances.
Your knowledge of medieval life was gathered from a twentieth century farm? :)
First-hand experience of countryside life should beat any speculative conjectures any day, don't you think?
Btw, do you know what a medieval romance is? It's a love story between a knight and a lady.
I don't find that a very good description. It's about a knight, a quest, and the values of chivalry (visualized in a cross). What you're talking about is a later development, from the 12th century or so onward.
True. The closer you look at medieval romances, the better you know that it tells you nothing about medieval rural life.
I get that the two of you
I don't read [...] internet porn. Agrarians are nice for [...] smoking that stuff.
Ah, I see what happened.
- I refer to two people, The Portuguese-Estonian Nostalgic Front
- The quoted individual from PENF has an embedded quote
- Confusion
All better now?
I get that the two of you
I don't read [...] internet porn. Agrarians are nice for [...] smoking that stuff.
I refer to two people, The Portuguese-Estonian Nostalgic Front
:devil: I :heart: the Portuguese-Estonian Front. :pirate:
- I refer to two people, The Portuguese-Estonian Nostalgic Front
The PENF emphatically denies such false accusations of erudition, culture and sagesse...
You just might have a point if my knowledge were gathered from medieval romances. But this is not the case.
Yes, practical experience (http://www.buzzfeed.com/timchester/inside-the-violent-geeky-world-of-hardcore-international-med) is important.
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I own something like that last pic, not for warfare but for straining cooked pasta. I'm not a violent person.
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A couple of years ago Geert Wilders argued that it may become necessary to deport millions of Muslims. It strike me as bizarre and more than highly unlikely. I wonder how our more knowledgeable members on the subject of Muslims in Europe react to the sentiment that Wilders expresses.
Yes, practical experience (http://www.buzzfeed.com/timchester/inside-the-violent-geeky-world-of-hardcore-international-med) is important.
Totally ridiculous.
It is ridiculous as a statement even though one day it would have solved much. It is too late now anyway the dye is set.
King William 3rd of Orange (says the title)
Oh... the protestant now has images... someday they will start knocking at the Vatican door...
Anyway, where's our Muslim posters? We have a lot of work posting about them and they don't even correspond?
If they think that they don't have a fair chance, they are wrong. There's many people here that respects everyone.
So, please, I would like to hear from those we've been talking about.
....please, I would like to hear from those we've been talking about.
Mincing words when well within a position of strength is not their forte. (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/muslim008.gif)
Tut, tut, my favourite Portugese Romanist. I had a an image on the Opera forum. Oh and I won't be knocking the Vatican doors any time soon. You could try knocking my lodgeroom door but there is a prob as you don't know the knock or know the signs to get in!
As for wanting Muslims here I would even prefer Lisbon knee-benders. :sing:
I had a an image on the Opera forum.
Sacrilege... an image worshiper... :)
Of course we need Muslim posters and they are certainly welcome as everyone else. I would like to see a Taliban discussing here with the western political correctness.. :)
Or with me...
Then we should promote on the Taliban sites?:idea:
Then we should promote on the Taliban sites?:idea:
Even better, send an emissary there. :)
We have a lot of people right for the job.
My doubts are that he (https://dndsanctuary.eu/index.php?action=profile;u=9) won't deliver anybody alive.
Sacrilege... an image worshiper... :)
Ever the iconoclast...
I had a an image on the Opera forum.
Sacrilege... an image worshiper... :)
Of course we need Muslim posters and they are certainly welcome as everyone else. I would like to see a Taliban discussing here with the western political correctness.. :)
Or with me...
...in your bedroom.
Have a coupple of pictures on a bedroom wall. Robert E. Lee is one and had Chiang Kai Shek once. Her Majesty is on the living room wall and always impressed the police when they came to get me to sign a warrant. All my family are loyalists........
...in your bedroom.
No need to project to others your hidden desires.
Oh I for one do not have any hidden desires. Just tell old white shoes to watch out!
Anyway, where's our Muslim posters? We have a lot of work posting about them and they don't even correspond?
If they think that they don't have a fair chance, they are wrong. There's many people here that respects everyone.
So, please, I would like to hear from those we've been talking about.
I have maintained correspondence with the user from Opera formerly known as "Cocoa_Butter", and see tells me that when she gets some time, she will try to post here, as I have informed her where me all migrated to.
Patience, my Portuguese, Papal friend. :cheers:
I remember her and when I heard how well her son had done (he was in the Army Cadets), I sent a small gift for him.
Have a coupple of pictures on a bedroom wall. Robert E. Lee is one and had Chiang Kai Shek once. Her Majesty is on the living room wall and always impressed the police when they came to get me to sign a warrant. All my family are loyalists........
Here's another one for the wall.
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...the user from Opera formerly known as "Cocoa_Butter"...
I remember her - favourably. I also remember she was temporarily banned due to some strife with a Christian lady whom I also remember favourably :)
Welcomes to both :D
Well she was okay or I wouldn't have did what I did so good luck to her. I don't have a prob with moderates.
I remember her and when I heard how well her son had done (he was in the Army Cadets), I sent a small gift for him.
She informed me of that.
@ersi: Yeah, that and over the usual Israel/Palestinian Territories argument.
ohhhh.. an american even corresponds with a muslim that told him that she would post some day...
Isn't that great...
There's nothing wrong with Islam or any other religion. There should always be religious tolerance. However in my country it's very disturbing that some muslims use Islam to brainwash. They use Jihad to declare war, kidnap and kill people who are not their religion, pretty much tainting the image of real hard working&peace loving Muslims like myself and my family and others
Islam is peaceful if conducted right and understood correctly sadly the people are not .So do not blame the religion blame the people .
Also its a must for no muslim to use the word Kafir as its stated with in the Quran
Be careful who you call Kafir because only Allah knows who is truly a rejector and who is merely a misguided person. It is not up to us to "sentence" a person to the Hellfire.
We must always maintain courtesy, diplomacy and a never-dying zeal to convey the message to others no matter how discouraging or useless it may seem - don't give up on a non-muslim because most people are good people who simply need a break from the anti-Islamic propaganda around them.
And also is a muslim calls another muslim a kafir he has just as good as left Islam as i said in my above post its the people of Islam that have distorted and played with the religion and also allowed others from not of the faith to distort their thinking too .
Peace .and love .
Well there are awful big chink of Islam that fits into the kafir mentality thinking right across the world and a reign of violence abounds. And anyway something more basic - the whole idea of the founder of Islam being a prophet of God which I find a negative. Why would God start a religion with a child molestor? The interpretation of this conundrum will be interesting.
Why worry when we got you Saint Howie have a :banana:
Welcome back to the gang Chimpsy
Well there are awful big chink of Islam that fits into the kafir mentality thinking right across the world and a reign of violence abounds. And anyway something more basic - the whole idea of the founder of Islam being a prophet of God which I find a negative. Why would God start a religion with a child molestor? The interpretation of this conundrum will be interesting.
Joseph, Mary's husband, was "90 years old" when he married 12 to 14-year old Mary!Was he too a pedophile?
They lived longer age them
i could quote more
When we read the Bible, we learn about some Prophets marrying many wives, even hundreds of wives in some cases. Let us look at some of the verses from the Old Testament:
In Exodus 21:10, a man can marry an infinite amount of women without any limits to how many he can marry.
In 2 Samuel 5:13; 1 Chronicles 3:1-9, 14:3, King David had six wives and numerous concubines.
In 1 Kings 11:3, King Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines.
In 2 Chronicles 11:21, King Solomon's son Rehoboam had 18 wives and 60 concubines.
And knowing that the Bible's Old Testament allowed before for men to have sex with girls who were at the age of 3, then it wouldn't surprise me that those Prophets who had 700 wives for instance, had many very young "teenage" girls before as their wives.
It wouldn't surprise me if they too had wives that were younger than Mary when she got pregnant, and younger than Aisha when she got married.
Since there are so many wives that those Prophets married (hundreds of wives), then how would anyone know that they didn't marry young women as our beloved Prophet peace be upon him did with his marriage to Aisha peace be upon her?
Welcome back to the gang Chimpsy
Thankyou very much String i hope you are well and in good health .
I fall, I rise, I make mistakes, I live, I learn,
Admirable. I come to a screeching halt after "I make mistakes".
Welcome aboard.
Well there are awful big chink of Islam that fits into the kafir mentality thinking right across the world and a reign of violence abounds. And anyway something more basic - the whole idea of the founder of Islam being a prophet of God which I find a negative. Why would God start a religion with a child molestor? The interpretation of this conundrum will be interesting.
Joseph, Mary's husband, was "90 years old" when he married 12 to 14-year old Mary!Was he too a pedophile?
They lived longer age them
i could quote more
When we read the Bible, we learn about some Prophets marrying many wives, even hundreds of wives in some cases. Let us look at some of the verses from the Old Testament:
In Exodus 21:10, a man can marry an infinite amount of women without any limits to how many he can marry.
In 2 Samuel 5:13; 1 Chronicles 3:1-9, 14:3, King David had six wives and numerous concubines.
In 1 Kings 11:3, King Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines.
In 2 Chronicles 11:21, King Solomon's son Rehoboam had 18 wives and 60 concubines.
And knowing that the Bible's Old Testament allowed before for men to have sex with girls who were at the age of 3, then it wouldn't surprise me that those Prophets who had 700 wives for instance, had many very young "teenage" girls before as their wives.
It wouldn't surprise me if they too had wives that were younger than Mary when she got pregnant, and younger than Aisha when she got married.
Since there are so many wives that those Prophets married (hundreds of wives), then how would anyone know that they didn't marry young women as our beloved Prophet peace be upon him did with his marriage to Aisha peace be upon her?
Well said.
I don't think we will hear much from Mr. Howie about this.
Well said.
I don't think we will hear much from Mr. Howie about this.
And a sad thing, that.
And all those examples are from the Old Testament which is mainly the standard handbook for Jews so guess that is a sly dig at them! The Old Testament is a precursor of Jewish history and it is the New Testament which is the important part of actual Christianity itself. This would be kind of obvious to those with brains but then this is a cosy wee club. Altogether not a very wise nor mature attempt at debunking me. Typical of course.
And all those examples are from the Old Testament which is mainly the standard handbook for Jews so guess that is a sly dig at them! The Old Testament is a precursor of Jewish history and it is the New Testament which is the important part of actual Christianity itself. This would be kind of obvious to those with brains but then this is a cosy wee club. Altogether not a very wise nor mature attempt at debunking me. Typical of course.
Glad to hear all of this; in which case, you will now throw away the constant bollocks about "queers" and such?
After all, that is from the OT.
Apart from the permission to marry many women - which is NOT the topic here - I fail to see the Bible clearly supporting having sex with children. Specific quotes would help.
Apart from the permission to marry many women - which is NOT the topic here - I fail to see the Bible clearly supporting having sex with children. Specific quotes would help.
The topic is always subject to change...this is DnD! That being the case, give this a gander.
The draft law would cover Iraq’s Shia citizens and residents, a majority of the population of 36 million. It includes provisions that prohibit Muslim men from marrying non-Muslims, legalizes marital rape by stating that a husband is entitled to have sex with his wife regardless of her consent, and prevents women from leaving the house without permission from their husbands. The law would automatically grant custody over any child age two or older to the father in divorce cases, lower the marriage age to nine for girls and fifteen for boys, and even allow girls younger than nine to be married with a parent’s approval.
http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/03/11/iraq-don-t-legalize-marriage-9-year-olds (http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/03/11/iraq-don-t-legalize-marriage-9-year-olds)
Oh, Prophet, what hath thou wrought!
The draft law would cover Iraq’s Shia citizens and residents, a majority of the population of 36 million. It includes provisions that prohibit Muslim men from marrying non-Muslims, legalizes marital rape by stating that a husband is entitled to have sex with his wife regardless of her consent, and prevents women from leaving the house without permission from their husbands. The law would automatically grant custody over any child age two or older to the father in divorce cases, lower the marriage age to nine for girls and fifteen for boys, and even allow girls younger than nine to be married with a parent’s approval.
I have heard of similar laws in Iran. At first I thought they were kind of unfair to women. Now I know better, because I have seen documentaries and Iranian movies about how real life is there. Seriously, those poor men need legal protection against women. (This strictly about Iran, the prime Shia country. I am also somewhat familiar with Wahhabite Saudi Arabia, and there the case is different, as bad as dark ages in Europe.)
I've got certain suspicions about Ersi!..
Hey, Ersi! don't get yourself killed!
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The law would automatically grant custody over any child age two or older to the father in divorce cases, lower the marriage age to nine for girls and fifteen for boys, and even allow girls younger than nine to be married with a parent’s approval.
I have heard of similar laws in Iran. At first I thought they were kind of unfair to women. Now I know better, because I have seen documentaries and Iranian movies about how real life is there. Seriously, those poor men need legal protection against women. (This strictly about Iran, the prime Shia country. I am also somewhat familiar with Wahhabite Saudi Arabia, and there the case is different, as bad as dark ages in Europe.)
This is unfair to those who lived in the 10th century, people who had no alternative models to compare themselves to.
No I will not distance my views on quuers Southern booxing laddie. Any more than you can get away from using an 18th century constitution for wanting to play cowboys. A country that has never grown up.
and it is the New Testament which is the important part of actual Christianity itself.
Even the son of reformation is converting... my words were not in vain
No I will not distance my views on quuers Southern booxing laddie. Any more than you can get away from using an 18th century constitution for wanting to play cowboys. A country that has never grown up.
"Thou hypocrite". :P
Now how is that for an outstanding declaration re the word 'hypocrite'?! Coming from the place that causes so much bother in the world, contradicts it's so-called values has tens of millions of poor, folk having to fight for basic rights supposed to be enshrined, run by corporates and their allies on the Hill. Ha, ha the word if you didn't know better would make you think that it has been corrupted over there. Ha, ha - don't know why you bothered with higher educ you should have went into comedy. :lol:
While a real, genuine, Muslim don't posts I don't care about this thread.
:cheers: For one raised in an English speaking country, something has gone terribly wrong with that paragraph, Mr. Howie. :zzz:
No jimbro the thrust is correct so don't hide behind the English stuff!
"Not everything you read on the internet is true." Abraham Lincoln
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:wine: It's worse than that. :cheers:
http://www.mrctv.org/videos/letterman-trashes-mary-todd-lincoln%E2%80%99s-looks-presidents%E2%80%99-day (http://www.mrctv.org/videos/letterman-trashes-mary-todd-lincoln%E2%80%99s-looks-presidents%E2%80%99-day)
No jimbro the thrust is correct so don't hide behind the English stuff!
:lol:
:lol: :lol:
(https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/big%20laugh%20007.gif)
Now how is that for an outstanding declaration re the word 'hypocrite'?! Coming from the place that causes so much bother in the world, contradicts it's so-called values has tens of millions of poor, folk having to fight for basic rights supposed to be enshrined, run by corporates and their allies on the Hill. Ha, ha the word if you didn't know better would make you think that it has been corrupted over there. Ha, ha - don't know why you bothered with higher educ you should have went into comedy. :lol:
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdTTqDGPEeg[/video]
Mr. Rebel, you've captured the essence of the Glasgow Man over the pond.
Mr. Rebel, you've captured the essence of the Glasgow Man over the pond.
Mr. Rebel, you've captured the essence of the Glasgow Man over the pond.
Mr. Rebel, you've captured the essence of the Glasgow Man over the pond.
Nice try even though you have as suits now a pal of the Southern hal-Yankee, would-be adult. The theme of your reply is a bit like a summing up of this alternative forum and simply a repeat of the overblown would-be's. Trouble is you lot are so far up yourselves you don't see your moats in the your own eyes. Always is amusing that so-called wonderfully, self-analysed intelligents are limited themselves. It is all just a repeat of your group love-in psyche. Not surprised some of you got frantic at the Opera thing going but forget it was a wee remnant group of self opinionated and repeat subject trolls.
,
Jim, I've found another one!
:idea:
Trouble is you lot are so far up yourselves you don't see your moats in the your own eyes.
If you have moats in your eyes you better go see a doctor
right now.
Trouble is you lot are so far up yourselves you don't see your moats in the your own eyes.
If you have moats in your eyes you better go see a doctor right now.
:jester: So says the resident moat doctor. :jester:
Whoat are you talking about?
Beams.
Matthew 7
verses 1-5
Whoat
What in Cthulhu's name is a whoat? :insane:
@Jim: :cheers:
@Mac: Nice addition there about who you are quoting. :left:
Nice try even though you have as suits now a pal of the Southern hal-Yankee, would-be adult. The theme of your reply is a bit like a summing up of this alternative forum and simply a repeat of the overblown would-be's. Trouble is you lot are so far up yourselves you don't see your moats in the your own eyes. Always is amusing that so-called wonderfully, self-analysed intelligents are limited themselves. It is all just a repeat of your group love-in psyche. Not surprised some of you got frantic at the Opera thing going but forget it was a wee remnant group of self opinionated and repeat subject trolls.
I'm not going to sit here and brainlessly point out Mr. Robert J. Howie's flaws—we all know he has them—but I am going to say a little about how Mr. Howie's harangues obfuscate any attempt to locate responsibility for the consequential decisions of those who have access to the means of power. Let me begin by citing a range of examples from the public sphere. For starters, Mr. Howie may unwittingly cause the destruction of human ambition and joy. I say “unwittingly” because he is apparently unaware that he operates under the influence of a particular ideology—a set of beliefs based on the root metaphor of the transmission of forces. Until you understand this root metaphor you won't be able to grasp why what really irks me is that Mr. Howie has presented us with a Hobson's choice. Either we let him deny minorities a cultural voice or he'll take rights away from individuals on the basis of prejudice, myth, irrational belief, inaccurate information, and outright falsehood.
Mr. Howie really ought to to take something for his hysterical paranoia. I've heard that chlorpromazine works well. Indeed, some sort of medication should awaken Mr. Howie to the fact that just as night follows day, he will help the most presumptuous rubes I've ever seen back up their prejudices with “scientific” proof by next weekend. In point of fact, to say that the bogeyman is going to get us if we don't agree to his demands is lusk nonsense and untrue to boot. This may be water under the bridge by now, but many people respond to Mr. Howie's capricious, balmy initiatives in the same way that they respond to television dramas. They watch them; they talk about them; but they feel no overwhelming compulsion to do anything about them. That's why I insist we expose all of Mr. Howie's filthy, subversive, and destructive activities.
If Mr. Howie doesn't see anything wrong with committing all sorts of mortal sins—not to mention an uncountable number of venial ones—then perhaps he doesn't deserve all the support he's getting from us. Speaking of asinine hellions, he and his lapdogs are on a recruiting campaign, trying to convince everyone they meet to participate in helping horny, incomprehensible busybodies back up their prejudices with “scientific” proof. Don't join that claque; instead, remember the scriptures: “Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil.” This is not a question of mysticism or egoism. Rather, it is a question about how I must admit that I've read only a small fraction of Mr. Howie's writings. (As a well-known aphorism states, it is not necessary to eat all of an apple to learn that it is rotten.) Nevertheless, I've read enough of Mr. Howie's writings to know that Mr. Howie's lies come in many forms. Some of his lies are in the form of opinions. Others are in the form of antics. Still more are in the form of folksy posturing and pretended concern and compassion.
Ostensibly, Mr. Howie does not intend to devalue me as a person but, in fact, it would be charitable of me not to mention that he is a big fan of interrogation and torture. Fortunately, I am not beset by a spirit of false charity so I will instead maintain that he knows exactly where he wants his foes. He wants to put them in the lowest-paying jobs. He wants to put them outside the equal protection of the law. He wants to put them into positions of hopelessness and helplessness. And then he expects them to sing his praises? The reality is that if Mr. Howie can overawe and befuddle a sufficient number of prominent individuals then it will become virtually impossible for anyone to raise several issues about Mr. Howie's inane theories that are frequently missing from the drivel that masquerades for discourse on this topic.
It's time that a few facts had a chance to slip through the fusillade of hype, but that's a story for another time. For now, I want to focus on the way that his subalterns are united by only two things. Want to guess what those are? They're a deep-seated sense of victimization and a burning desire to incite an atmosphere of violence and endangerment toward the good men, women, and children of this state. Aside from those two things, the members of Mr. Howie's lynch mob have little in common. Surprisingly, some of them even realize that if anything will free us from the shackles of Mr. Howie's sententious, stiff-necked tricks, it's knowledge of the world as it really is. It's knowledge that if I have a bias, it is only against inimical drunks who demonize my family and friends. We must provide a trenchant analysis of Mr. Howie's cock-and-bull stories if we are ever to make some changes here. Yes, this is a bold, audacious, even unprecedented undertaking. Yes, it lacks any realistic guarantee of success. However, it is an undertaking that we must unquestionably pursue because we find among narrow and uneducated minds the belief that unenlightened, crass pamphleteers aren't ever malignant. This belief is due to a basic confusion that can be cleared up simply by stating that I'd peg the odds at about six to one that Mr. Howie will honeyfuggle us into believing that there should be publicly financed centers of sensationalism in the coming days. If I'm wrong, I promise that I'll gladly go into hiding. In short, Mr. Robert J. Howie's dream is for us to lay down our freedom at our feet and say to him, “Make us your slaves—but feed us”.
Are you really taking him seriously, or is my ironometer maltuned?
Are you really taking him seriously, or is my ironometer maltuned?
Neither (http://www.pakin.org/complaint/) :left: :zip:
I'm not going to sit here and brainlessly point out Mr. Robert J. Howie's flaws—we all know he has them—but I am going to say a little about how Mr. Howie's harangues obfuscate any attempt to locate responsibility for the consequential decisions of those who have access to the means of power. Let me begin by citing a range of examples from the public sphere. For starters, Mr. Howie may unwittingly cause the destruction of human ambition and joy. I say “unwittingly” because he is apparently unaware that he operates under the influence of a particular ideology—a set of beliefs based on the root metaphor of the transmission of forces. Until you understand this root metaphor you won't be able to grasp why what really irks me is that Mr. Howie has presented us with a Hobson's choice. Either we let him deny minorities a cultural voice or he'll take rights away from individuals on the basis of prejudice, myth, irrational belief, inaccurate information, and outright falsehood.
Mr. Howie really ought to to take something for his hysterical paranoia. I've heard that chlorpromazine works well. Indeed, some sort of medication should awaken Mr. Howie to the fact that just as night follows day, he will help the most presumptuous rubes I've ever seen back up their prejudices with “scientific” proof by next weekend. In point of fact, to say that the bogeyman is going to get us if we don't agree to his demands is lusk nonsense and untrue to boot. This may be water under the bridge by now, but many people respond to Mr. Howie's capricious, balmy initiatives in the same way that they respond to television dramas. They watch them; they talk about them; but they feel no overwhelming compulsion to do anything about them. That's why I insist we expose all of Mr. Howie's filthy, subversive, and destructive activities.
If Mr. Howie doesn't see anything wrong with committing all sorts of mortal sins—not to mention an uncountable number of venial ones—then perhaps he doesn't deserve all the support he's getting from us. Speaking of asinine hellions, he and his lapdogs are on a recruiting campaign, trying to convince everyone they meet to participate in helping horny, incomprehensible busybodies back up their prejudices with “scientific” proof. Don't join that claque; instead, remember the scriptures: “Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil.” This is not a question of mysticism or egoism. Rather, it is a question about how I must admit that I've read only a small fraction of Mr. Howie's writings. (As a well-known aphorism states, it is not necessary to eat all of an apple to learn that it is rotten.) Nevertheless, I've read enough of Mr. Howie's writings to know that Mr. Howie's lies come in many forms. Some of his lies are in the form of opinions. Others are in the form of antics. Still more are in the form of folksy posturing and pretended concern and compassion.
Ostensibly, Mr. Howie does not intend to devalue me as a person but, in fact, it would be charitable of me not to mention that he is a big fan of interrogation and torture. Fortunately, I am not beset by a spirit of false charity so I will instead maintain that he knows exactly where he wants his foes. He wants to put them in the lowest-paying jobs. He wants to put them outside the equal protection of the law. He wants to put them into positions of hopelessness and helplessness. And then he expects them to sing his praises? The reality is that if Mr. Howie can overawe and befuddle a sufficient number of prominent individuals then it will become virtually impossible for anyone to raise several issues about Mr. Howie's inane theories that are frequently missing from the drivel that masquerades for discourse on this topic.
It's time that a few facts had a chance to slip through the fusillade of hype, but that's a story for another time. For now, I want to focus on the way that his subalterns are united by only two things. Want to guess what those are? They're a deep-seated sense of victimization and a burning desire to incite an atmosphere of violence and endangerment toward the good men, women, and children of this state. Aside from those two things, the members of Mr. Howie's lynch mob have little in common. Surprisingly, some of them even realize that if anything will free us from the shackles of Mr. Howie's sententious, stiff-necked tricks, it's knowledge of the world as it really is. It's knowledge that if I have a bias, it is only against inimical drunks who demonize my family and friends. We must provide a trenchant analysis of Mr. Howie's cock-and-bull stories if we are ever to make some changes here. Yes, this is a bold, audacious, even unprecedented undertaking. Yes, it lacks any realistic guarantee of success. However, it is an undertaking that we must unquestionably pursue because we find among narrow and uneducated minds the belief that unenlightened, crass pamphleteers aren't ever malignant. This belief is due to a basic confusion that can be cleared up simply by stating that I'd peg the odds at about six to one that Mr. Howie will honeyfuggle us into believing that there should be publicly financed centers of sensationalism in the coming days. If I'm wrong, I promise that I'll gladly go into hiding. In short, Mr. Robert J. Howie's dream is for us to lay down our freedom at our feet and say to him, “Make us your slaves—but feed us”.
That's a stupidity.
Epistolary polemicize is way out of your reach, thedawgfan.
Are you really taking him seriously, or is my ironometer maltuned?
Neither (http://www.pakin.org/complaint/) :left: :zip:
Dammit! I should have known. I've been sucked in by that machine before.
:'(
I wonder how long it would have taken me to wake up if I had actually read more than the first couple of sentences.
I'm not going to sit here and brainlessly point out Mr. Robert J. Howie's flaws—we all know he has them—but I am going to say a little about how Mr. Howie's harangues obfuscate any attempt to locate responsibility for the consequential decisions of those who have access to the means of power. Let me begin by citing a range of examples from the public sphere. For starters, Mr. Howie may unwittingly cause the destruction of human ambition and joy. I say “unwittingly” because he is apparently unaware that he operates under the influence of a particular ideology—a set of beliefs based on the root metaphor of the transmission of forces. Until you understand this root metaphor you won't be able to grasp why what really irks me is that Mr. Howie has presented us with a Hobson's choice. Either we let him deny minorities a cultural voice or he'll take rights away from individuals on the basis of prejudice, myth, irrational belief, inaccurate information, and outright falsehood.
Mr. Howie really ought to to take something for his hysterical paranoia. I've heard that chlorpromazine works well. Indeed, some sort of medication should awaken Mr. Howie to the fact that just as night follows day, he will help the most presumptuous rubes I've ever seen back up their prejudices with “scientific” proof by next weekend. In point of fact, to say that the bogeyman is going to get us if we don't agree to his demands is lusk nonsense and untrue to boot. This may be water under the bridge by now, but many people respond to Mr. Howie's capricious, balmy initiatives in the same way that they respond to television dramas. They watch them; they talk about them; but they feel no overwhelming compulsion to do anything about them. That's why I insist we expose all of Mr. Howie's filthy, subversive, and destructive activities.
If Mr. Howie doesn't see anything wrong with committing all sorts of mortal sins—not to mention an uncountable number of venial ones—then perhaps he doesn't deserve all the support he's getting from us. Speaking of asinine hellions, he and his lapdogs are on a recruiting campaign, trying to convince everyone they meet to participate in helping horny, incomprehensible busybodies back up their prejudices with “scientific” proof. Don't join that claque; instead, remember the scriptures: “Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil.” This is not a question of mysticism or egoism. Rather, it is a question about how I must admit that I've read only a small fraction of Mr. Howie's writings. (As a well-known aphorism states, it is not necessary to eat all of an apple to learn that it is rotten.) Nevertheless, I've read enough of Mr. Howie's writings to know that Mr. Howie's lies come in many forms. Some of his lies are in the form of opinions. Others are in the form of antics. Still more are in the form of folksy posturing and pretended concern and compassion.
Ostensibly, Mr. Howie does not intend to devalue me as a person but, in fact, it would be charitable of me not to mention that he is a big fan of interrogation and torture. Fortunately, I am not beset by a spirit of false charity so I will instead maintain that he knows exactly where he wants his foes. He wants to put them in the lowest-paying jobs. He wants to put them outside the equal protection of the law. He wants to put them into positions of hopelessness and helplessness. And then he expects them to sing his praises? The reality is that if Mr. Howie can overawe and befuddle a sufficient number of prominent individuals then it will become virtually impossible for anyone to raise several issues about Mr. Howie's inane theories that are frequently missing from the drivel that masquerades for discourse on this topic.
It's time that a few facts had a chance to slip through the fusillade of hype, but that's a story for another time. For now, I want to focus on the way that his subalterns are united by only two things. Want to guess what those are? They're a deep-seated sense of victimization and a burning desire to incite an atmosphere of violence and endangerment toward the good men, women, and children of this state. Aside from those two things, the members of Mr. Howie's lynch mob have little in common. Surprisingly, some of them even realize that if anything will free us from the shackles of Mr. Howie's sententious, stiff-necked tricks, it's knowledge of the world as it really is. It's knowledge that if I have a bias, it is only against inimical drunks who demonize my family and friends. We must provide a trenchant analysis of Mr. Howie's cock-and-bull stories if we are ever to make some changes here. Yes, this is a bold, audacious, even unprecedented undertaking. Yes, it lacks any realistic guarantee of success. However, it is an undertaking that we must unquestionably pursue because we find among narrow and uneducated minds the belief that unenlightened, crass pamphleteers aren't ever malignant. This belief is due to a basic confusion that can be cleared up simply by stating that I'd peg the odds at about six to one that Mr. Howie will honeyfuggle us into believing that there should be publicly financed centers of sensationalism in the coming days. If I'm wrong, I promise that I'll gladly go into hiding. In short, Mr. Robert J. Howie's dream is for us to lay down our freedom at our feet and say to him, “Make us your slaves—but feed us”.
That's a stupidity.
Epistolary polemicize is way out of your reach, thedawgfan.
The arrogance of the Portuguese never ceases to amaze. :P /s
/s = I am being sarcastic.
Whoat
What in Cthulhu's name is a whoat? :insane:
A whoat is a bit like a steasel.
Are you really taking him seriously, or is my ironometer maltuned?
Neither (http://www.pakin.org/complaint/) :left: :zip:
Dammit! I should have known. I've been sucked in by that machine before.
:'(
I wonder how long it would have taken me to wake up if I had actually read more than the first couple of sentences.
Someone else apparently read the whole thing :right:
I'm not going to sit here and brainlessly point out Mr. Robert J. Howie's flaws—we all know he has them—but I am going to say a little about how Mr. Howie's harangues obfuscate any attempt to locate responsibility for the consequential decisions of those who have access to the means of power. Let me begin by citing a range of examples from the public sphere. For starters, Mr. Howie may unwittingly cause the destruction of human ambition and joy. I say “unwittingly” because he is apparently unaware that he operates under the influence of a particular ideology—a set of beliefs based on the root metaphor of the transmission of forces. Until you understand this root metaphor you won't be able to grasp why what really irks me is that Mr. Howie has presented us with a Hobson's choice. Either we let him deny minorities a cultural voice or he'll take rights away from individuals on the basis of prejudice, myth, irrational belief, inaccurate information, and outright falsehood.
Mr. Howie really ought to to take something for his hysterical paranoia. I've heard that chlorpromazine works well. Indeed, some sort of medication should awaken Mr. Howie to the fact that just as night follows day, he will help the most presumptuous rubes I've ever seen back up their prejudices with “scientific” proof by next weekend. In point of fact, to say that the bogeyman is going to get us if we don't agree to his demands is lusk nonsense and untrue to boot. This may be water under the bridge by now, but many people respond to Mr. Howie's capricious, balmy initiatives in the same way that they respond to television dramas. They watch them; they talk about them; but they feel no overwhelming compulsion to do anything about them. That's why I insist we expose all of Mr. Howie's filthy, subversive, and destructive activities.
If Mr. Howie doesn't see anything wrong with committing all sorts of mortal sins—not to mention an uncountable number of venial ones—then perhaps he doesn't deserve all the support he's getting from us. Speaking of asinine hellions, he and his lapdogs are on a recruiting campaign, trying to convince everyone they meet to participate in helping horny, incomprehensible busybodies back up their prejudices with “scientific” proof. Don't join that claque; instead, remember the scriptures: “Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil.” This is not a question of mysticism or egoism. Rather, it is a question about how I must admit that I've read only a small fraction of Mr. Howie's writings. (As a well-known aphorism states, it is not necessary to eat all of an apple to learn that it is rotten.) Nevertheless, I've read enough of Mr. Howie's writings to know that Mr. Howie's lies come in many forms. Some of his lies are in the form of opinions. Others are in the form of antics. Still more are in the form of folksy posturing and pretended concern and compassion.
Ostensibly, Mr. Howie does not intend to devalue me as a person but, in fact, it would be charitable of me not to mention that he is a big fan of interrogation and torture. Fortunately, I am not beset by a spirit of false charity so I will instead maintain that he knows exactly where he wants his foes. He wants to put them in the lowest-paying jobs. He wants to put them outside the equal protection of the law. He wants to put them into positions of hopelessness and helplessness. And then he expects them to sing his praises? The reality is that if Mr. Howie can overawe and befuddle a sufficient number of prominent individuals then it will become virtually impossible for anyone to raise several issues about Mr. Howie's inane theories that are frequently missing from the drivel that masquerades for discourse on this topic.
It's time that a few facts had a chance to slip through the fusillade of hype, but that's a story for another time. For now, I want to focus on the way that his subalterns are united by only two things. Want to guess what those are? They're a deep-seated sense of victimization and a burning desire to incite an atmosphere of violence and endangerment toward the good men, women, and children of this state. Aside from those two things, the members of Mr. Howie's lynch mob have little in common. Surprisingly, some of them even realize that if anything will free us from the shackles of Mr. Howie's sententious, stiff-necked tricks, it's knowledge of the world as it really is. It's knowledge that if I have a bias, it is only against inimical drunks who demonize my family and friends. We must provide a trenchant analysis of Mr. Howie's cock-and-bull stories if we are ever to make some changes here. Yes, this is a bold, audacious, even unprecedented undertaking. Yes, it lacks any realistic guarantee of success. However, it is an undertaking that we must unquestionably pursue because we find among narrow and uneducated minds the belief that unenlightened, crass pamphleteers aren't ever malignant. This belief is due to a basic confusion that can be cleared up simply by stating that I'd peg the odds at about six to one that Mr. Howie will honeyfuggle us into believing that there should be publicly financed centers of sensationalism in the coming days. If I'm wrong, I promise that I'll gladly go into hiding. In short, Mr. Robert J. Howie's dream is for us to lay down our freedom at our feet and say to him, “Make us your slaves—but feed us”.
That's a stupidity.
Epistolary polemicize is way out of your reach, thedawgfan.
The arrogance of the Portuguese never ceases to amaze. :P /s
/s = I am being sarcastic.
That post exceeds the DnD limit of 4,000 word. You're banned. Or, as rj would put it, "banded".
The arrogance of the Portuguese never ceases to amaze. :P /s
/s = I am being sarcastic.
:)
That post exceeds the DnD limit of 4,000 word. You're banned. Or, as rj would put it, "banded".
Nahh you got wrong counting the number of words... I demand a re-counting by an independent observer before being banded. :)
Grand Rapids is independent. We have relations with no countries.
However, we do have the world's largest potholes.
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However, we do have the world's largest potholes.
Grand Rapid's world largest potholes.
"Middle-of-nowhere's world largest something". The other day I was talking with friends about that particular American characteristic - always have the biggest something of the world... of that place.
Nice potholes by the way, but we have them bigger. :)
Islam is peaceful if conducted right and understood correctly sadly the people are not .So do not blame the religion blame the people .
First of all no religion on Earth is understood correctly. Everybody has opinions about what this or that means and there is no ONE consensus or interpretation of what so-and-so said when he said it and what he meant and what it means today. It is argued that even the disciple Paul had his own personal ideas of what Christianity should be and he bent the so-called 'word from God' in the direction he personally felt was best. Theologians are left with the task of sorting all that out.
Nevertheless, because there is no universally accepted authority in Islamic law, what is to keep the extremists in your religion from continuing to murder innocent people with impunity? Not as many Muslims as you think are good, peace-loving and wholesome people. Not when you consider that nearly 40% of Muslims believe that the 3000 innocent men, women and children who died in 9/11 'somewhat' deserved to die. That is an epidemic proportion of Muslims who have no decency as human beings and likewise zero morality...if this doesn't disgust you as a Muslim then you are obviously part of that 40%. I could never follow a religion with so many obscene people in it and I don't know how you can either, unless you are obscene yourself. The 40% number is conservative since it doesn't take into account the Muslims who won't admit their true feelings, even anonymously.
How can I feel comfortable in my own country with Muslims who say they are peaceful and yet are almost equally likely to be lying through their teeth! Should I welcome Muslims to my neighborhood when upwards of half of them would just as soon see me dead? Do you see why so many people are skeptical of your religion? If Islam has no way of policing it's own through some sort of excommunication or whatever, then I believe people would just as soon see it quarantined in the Middle East mountains and deserts, so it can leave the rest of the world in some sort of peace. Islam has nothing to do with peace my friend, mainly because Muslims like you refuse to do anything except say 'we have a handful of extremist'. What you have Chimpsy old pal, is a hoard (at least 640,000,000 people [sic]), of vulgar and barbarous people out to conquer the world at any cost to human life.
You will forgive me Chimpsy, but your religion is NOT overflowing with hard-working & peace-loving people. You can sugar coat Islam any way you want, but it still evil and getting worse (you idiots may destroy the planet someday). If Islam has 640 million people who are fine with the murdering of innocent Americans, then Islam was shit out through Satan's own ass and comes from the very deepest pits of Hell and to Hell it will return--with you in it apparently. Have a nice day sir.
(not) (Aren't you supposed to murder me now or something for saying that?)
40%
In the Medieval times there were no polls conducted, so... How many, do you think the so-called "Christians" backed the slaughter of the Crusades? Inquisitioning the "witches"?
Was it just 40...
40%
In the Medieval times there were no polls conducted, so... How many, do you think the so-called "Christians" backed the slaughter of the Crusades? Inquisitioning the "witches"?
Was it just 40...
Where did I say the slaughter during the Crusades or any Inquisition was okay? Islam is apparently a 1000 year throw-back to those unenlightened days...Muslims haven't learned much from history huh? (btw, I'm not a Christian).
.....your religion is NOT overflowing with hard-working & peace-loving people. You can sugar coat Islam any way you want, but it still evil and getting worse (you idiots may destroy the planet someday). If [glow=black,2,300]Islam has 640 million people who are fine with the murdering of innocent [/glow]Americans, then Islam was shit out through Satan's own ass and comes from the very deepest pits of Hell and to Hell it will return--with you in it apparently.
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Did you leave school as a 10 year old or what JoshL? We are not taling about a great many centuries ago but present and modern days. Which mainstream religion is it that has the great leadership position of undermining, maiming, blowing up and generally killing by terror? Cutting off hands, stoning people, creating instability and being dogmatic over all else?
As they grow here in Gt Britain they get more demanding and given into and we wring our hands on those that leave here to go to their prehistoric lands to maim and kill. It is the same across Europe and time after time bending over backwards in our traditional reasonable way has just seen the rise continuing of the extremes and demanders. A while ago I mentioned a poll among young Muslims here and it was disquieting the results. Moderate Muslims make platitudes but fall over backwards to being too forward in case they are labelled as beyond the frame. As they mushroom in Europe and Britain at the rate they are along with the decline in indigenous population there will be a catastrophic state by the end of the century. For a start we in Britain will in effect be taken over and don't expect to be as reasonable as were in the past.
England has changed beyond reason and whole towns not just districts. To a lesser extent in Scotland but it is now growing here and that Nationalist eejit, Alex Salmond wants to increase immigration? And just remember too Josh you country hasn't been exempt from Islam either. I has become a Fifth Column wherever it starts. :irked:
...or what JoshL?
"WHAT JoshL?"???
"WHAT" means that there are several such namesakes in the vicinity.
I don't understand why no one appears to contest the barbarities protestants and atheists says about Islam...
If it keeps like this, they will think they're right...
Come on dear talibans, no one available?
Oh don't you smile and take the high ground my Portugese hot shot! Didn't your last Pope make a very public speech about Islam that had them all dancing with anger?!
"WHAT JoshL?"???
"WHAT" means that there are several such namesakes in the vicinity.
Your namesakes would be which or whose.
- How do you know Josh is a which?
- He looks like one.
- I'm not a which! I'm not a which!
- But you are addressed as one.
- They addressed me like this.
- No, we didn't.
- And this isn't my whose. It's a false attribution.
- Well?
- We did do the whose.
- The whose?
- And the what.
- But he is a which!
You will know the which by swinging the duck because the duck floats like would.
This swinging duck was a WWII hero!
[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtgVJZPY8hE[/video]
He certainly was and never a mention in history nor a medal.
No medal necessary. Such cartoons were useful in a small way by 1943.
I have a few recollections of that moment in history. In '43 I was six years old and remember going through my neighborhood collecting things for the war effort. I had a wagon that I pulled along in quest of newspapers and empty food cans. I'd tie up the newspapers and crush the cans with my foot. Six years old and a part of the war effort; it made me feel proud.
No medal necessary. Such cartoons were useful in a small way by 1943.
I have a few recollections of that moment in history. In '43 I was six years old and remember going through my neighborhood collecting things for the war effort. I had a wagon that I pulled along in quest of newspapers and empty food cans. I'd tie up the newspapers and crush the cans with my foot. Six years old and a part of the war effort; it made me feel proud.
My brother was three. One day my mother saw him striding around the front yard, slashing savagely with a stick.
"What are you doing?" she asked and his answer stopped her in her tracks.
"Killing Jaaps." he said.
I have a few recollections of that moment in history. In '43 I was six years old and remember going through my neighborhood collecting things for the war effort. I had a wagon that I pulled along in quest of newspapers and empty food cans. I'd tie up the newspapers and crush the cans with my foot. Six years old and a part of the war effort; it made me feel proud.
My father hates airplanes. I think the bombing of Rotterdam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_rotterdam) might have something to do with it. He lived in the suburbs at the time.
When in the Navy I flew for hundreds of hours. I don't hate airplanes, but I've developed a horrible fear of flying. My wife wanted to fly in an upcoming trip. We're driving. Sad. Pteromerhanophobia is a bitch, but I'm stuck with it.
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What's become of ISLAM -- The Religion of Peace?
They hate airplanes.
They hate airplanes.
So much so they
love to fly them into every real tall building they see.
Sometimes they miss, but try they will.
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Isn't it something that they hate the West and all that it stands for yet flood here and Europe. They also use mobile phones, radios, television, planes, computers to help their global murderous leanings.
They hate airplanes.
So much so they love to fly them into every real tall building they see.
What's next? London's
Penis Tower?
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That's as much use to common sense when dithering.
This (http://aveilandadarkplace.com/2013/08/14/how-can-we-discuss-islam-in-better-ways-a-response-to-alex-gabriel-on-dawkins-and-islam/) is worth reading. This (http://freethoughtblogs.com/marginoferr/2014/04/13/an-open-letter-to-james-croft-about-how-to-criticize-islam/) is decent too.
Oh yeah, and I'll include a link dump of sorts to Ayaan.
Present:
- Here's What [Ayaan] Would Have Said at Brandeis (http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304512504579493410287663906)
- Ayaan Hirsi Ali’s response to the Brandeis University statement (http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2014/04/09/ayaan-hirsi-ali-response-brandeis-university-statement/scUhyo0C8NuU1DQU8PxtPN/story.html)
Classics:
- The Right to Offend (http://vorige.nrc.nl/opinie/article1654061.ece/The_Right_to_offend)
- Women Victims of Islam (http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterfliesandwheels/2014/04/ayaan-hirsi-alis-women-victims-of-islam/)
Here's an interesting clip of Ayaan on the Bill Maher show talking about Islam.
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEPwxfaZDT8[/video]
.....an interesting clip of Ayaan on the Bill Maher show talking about Islam.
I love it, she put starch in the shorts of both her fellow panelists!
No doubt in her mind whether Islam is a Religion of Peace or not!!!
Now, she's been marked for death by Islam for her honesty.
On a
'lighter' note, word of the [glow=black,2,300]
Religion of Peace[/glow] from formerly great Britain:
Thousands of schoolchildren's education could have been threatened by a hardline Muslim plot to force out moderate school governors and heads and replace them with extremists.
It emerged today that 25 Birmingham schools are now being investigated for links to the alleged radicalisation plot, and while Birmingham City Council has refused to name the schools, some of which have upwards of 600 students, it means that vast numbers of pupils could have been at risk.
The number of schools allegedly involved rose today from 15 to 25 as Education Secretary Michael Gove is said to have told Ofsted inspectors to fail any school 'where religious conservatism is getting in the way of learning and a balanced curriculum'
This afternoon Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg backed the investigations, saying schools should not be allowed to become 'silos of segregation'..............
[glow=black,2,300]
Religion of Peace... [/glow] (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/big%20laugh%20007.gif) ...right, Mo-ham-mud's left testicle. (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/muslim008.gif)
Yes you pre-empted me on that one. It does seem that the investigation is to be even wide to Bradford (a Muslim fifdom) and Manchester (getting as bad). One moderator Muslim community leader was "concerned" they were being single out! This is the usual lib open-minded giff we have been brained with for ages. Than Heavens I will not be here when they demand an Islam Monarch as part of the end of century take over. Mind you the indigenous over the pond will be a minority even before us. America in front again!
Mind you the indigenous over the pond will be a minority even before us. America in front again!
You are referring, no doubt, to the Navajo and the Sioux.
Groan.
Mind you the indigenous over the pond will be a minority even before us. America in front again!
You are referring, no doubt, to the Navajo and the Sioux.
No.
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http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/lifting-the-veil-of-islamophobia
So the truly mortifying answer to the question of why you [Ayaan Hirsi Ali] are at the AEI is that no liberal institution would offer you shelter when you most needed it—and when your value to the global conversation about free speech, the rights of women, and other norms of civilization was crystal clear. And ever since, your affiliation with the one institution that did take you in has been used to defame you in liberal circles. Perfect.
I think I might see if I can get that Detroit Lodge to march down your street with a band and waken you really early jimbro. :devil:
The scariest aspect of that piece was...
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I think I might see if I can get that Detroit Lodge to march down your street with a band and waken you really early jimbro. :devil:
Too late...I've been up since 2 am.
Damn.
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(https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/muslim008.gif)
[glow=black,2,300]Christians offer safe houses to Muslim converts[/glow]
A Christian campaign group is launching a national network of safe houses for Muslim converts who face ostracism or violent reprisals for leaving their religion.
It says it knows of up to 1,100 former Muslims at risk in Britain but the true number could be 3,000...........continued
[glow=green,2,300]The obligation of government is to protect it's citizens from overt foreign threat, but
what about threats from within?[/glow]
[glow=black,2,300]Does Islam encourage violence?[/glow]
[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmqEsasyCUU[/VIDEO]
[glow=black,2,300]Teach Violence???[/glow]
[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tia7HoOqlH8[/VIDEO]
Geez---- Can't they get along with anybody ?
The one consistency the 3 Abrahamic religions have is that they have all been violent, and all 3 do remain so, though the youngest and most infected by fundamentalism gets the most press.
I was particularly taken aback by Catholic Supreme Court Justice A. Kennedy's ruling that agnostics, atheists, and non-religious people are to be treated as second-class citizens, per his swing vote and writing in the SCOTUS case Town of Greece v. Galloway.
Less violent and more subtle, perhaps, than Islamic terrorism, but I personally take it as an affront to the US Constitution and an act of Christian terrorism, as the majority 5 in that ruling are all Catholics, all old, and all Caucasian. None of them have a laptop or IPad either.
May the 5 of them be impeached for unethical and unbecoming behavior for a Supreme Court Justice, the bastages! :furious:
I have just lightly perused the pleadings & summary statements of the Supreme Court in the matter
Town of Greece v. Galloway, (http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/13pdf/12-696_4f57.pdf) & after re-skimming the findings & majority statements, I completely concur with the findings of the Supreme Court.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Persecution is not an original feature in any religion; but it is always the strongly-marked feature of all law-religions, or religions established by law. Take away the law-establishment, and every religion re-assumes its original benignity.
It was found that the government was not establishing any religion, nor was anyone being forced to accept belief in any specific religion against their will, or any religion for that matter. The complainants case was basically found to be without true merit or value.
Read the findings (http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/13pdf/12-696_4f57.pdf) of the Court for yourselves.
It reads to me like they're appealing primarily to a tradition in Congress while failing to consider the differences. Most specifically, those differences are that these prayers are:
a) Not in Congress, but in a place where citizens directly interact with their representatives. Assuming tradition is as relevant as the court purports it to be, it's just not the relevant tradition to take into consideration.
b) Significantly more sectarian.
The dissenting views go into well-informed detail about how Congress (and other legislative bodies) differ from a meeting between representatives and citizens.
Contrary to the majority’s apparent view,
such sectarian prayers are not “part of our expressive
idiom” or “part of our heritage and tradition,” assuming
the word “our” refers to all Americans. Ante, at 19. They
express beliefs that are fundamental to some, foreign to
others—and because that is so they carry the ever-present
potential to both exclude and divide. The majority, I
think, assesses too lightly the significance of these reli
gious differences, and so fears too little the “religiously
based divisiveness that the Establishment Clause seeks to
avoid.” Van Orden v. Perry, 545 U. S. 677, 704 (2005)
(B REYER , J., concurring in judgment). I would treat more
seriously the multiplicity of Americans’ religious commit
ments, along with the challenge they can pose to the
project—the distinctively American project—of creating
one from the many, and governing all as united.
Back to those peaceful people of Mohammud PBOT, & the rest of Us infidels too.
Islam's Latest Contributions to Peace
"Mohammed is God's apostle. Those who follow him are harsh
to the unbelievers but merciful to one another" Quran 48:29
2014.05.27 (Baghdad, Iraq) - A dedicated Sunni straps explosives to his body and then detonates in a Shia mosque, exterminating seventeen rivals.
2014.05.26 (Benghazi, Libya) - A journalist is murdered for criticizing those fighting for an Islamic state.
2014.05.26 (Adamawa, Nigeria) - Boko Haram gumen shoot twenty-one villagers to death.
2014.05.25 (Homs, Syria) - 'God generously makes possible' an al-Nusra suicide bomb attack in a Christian residential district that leaves twelve dead.
2014.05.25 (Jos, Nigeria) - Eight people watching a televised soccer game are pulled apart by a Fedayeen suicide car bomber.
2014.05.25 (Kirkuk, Iraq) - Fundamentalists bomb a shop selling alcohol, killing a dozen patrons and bystanders.
Islam's Latest Contributions to Peace
Would you mind to enumerate the contributions to peace made by another religion during the last decades? ;)
No, those of the other religion I have in mind don't claim to act in God's name (neither they do). They don't make use of suicide car bombers. They have more adequate methods to bring peace: bombers, jet fighters or drones.
A less intrusive method to bring peace is to arm the 'good' moslems and to train them how to finish off soldiers still alive (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/foreign-affairs-defense/syria-arming-the-rebels/syrian-rebels-describe-u-s-backed-training-in-qatar/#disqus_thread).
Islam's Latest Contributions to Peace
Would you mind to enumerate the contributions to peace made by another religion during the last decades? ;)
In stark contrast to the beheadings, castrations, mutilations, bombings, & various other fun-filled activities in the name of, & at the bequest of, their Mohammud (PBOHisself) via his so called 'holy book'.
I'll name just one that comes to immediate mind.
Pope Francis urges interfaith dialogue
The Pope brings interfaith dialogue to a region plagued by atrocities committed along religious lines.
Arriving in Jordan with old friends from other faiths, Pope Francis begins his Holy Land tour with an unprecedented move. It's the first time in Vatican history that a Pope has invited a Jewish rabbi and an Islamic leader onboard an official delegation making its way to one of the world's holiest, and most contentious cities for worship in unison.
The pontiff's invitation demonstrates how "Interfaith Dialogue" - a developing conflict resolution tool - can work in a region long affected by atrocities committed along religious lines......continued
In direct contrast to
....They have more adequate methods to bring peace: bombers, jet fighters or drones......
What
'Religion' are you speaking of?
Sounds as if you're disturbingly & deliberately confusing your depiction with
'secular' governments, because to date I know of no
'religion' that utilizes bombers, jet fighters or drones to gently guide anyone towards peace.
"......While rumors of a Quran desecration or a Muhammad cartoon bring out deadly protests, riots, arson and effigy-burnings, the mass murder of non-Muslims generally evokes yawns.
In the eleven years following 9/11 nearly 20,000 acts of deadly Islamic terrorism were perpetrated, yet all of them together fail to provoke the sort of outrage on the part of most Muslims that the mere mention of Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo inspires......."
What 'Religion' are you speaking of?
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Sounds as if you're disturbingly & deliberately confusing your depiction with 'secular' governments
"Secular" doesn't mean they are ungodly. Do you know a president of the USA who come out as an atheist?
I have just lightly perused the pleadings & summary statements of the Supreme Court in the matter Town of Greece v. Galloway, (http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/13pdf/12-696_4f57.pdf) & after re-skimming the findings & majority statements, I completely concur with the findings of the Supreme Court.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Persecution is not an original feature in any religion; but it is always the strongly-marked feature of all law-religions, or religions established by law. Take away the law-establishment, and every religion re-assumes its original benignity.
It was found that the government was not establishing any religion, nor was anyone being forced to accept belief in any specific religion against their will, or any religion for that matter. The complainants case was basically found to be without true merit or value.
Read the findings (http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/13pdf/12-696_4f57.pdf) of the Court for yourselves.
1. I rather figured you would concur.
2. What utter nonsense. Going 20 years with only inviting Christian ministers for an invocation (which in itself is highly divisive) and refusing other religion's ministers, imams, spiritual leaders, etc, is an attempt to establish a state religion, which Kennedy's predecessor's deemed unconstitutional.
If you are being honest, you'll admit Kennedy's spineless and absolutely biased decision was a blatant act of judicial activism, the kind of which Tea people have bitched about since they hijacked the original TP movement and infected it with their own brand.
Tell me please, SF, do you not find it at all odd that the 5 who ruled in favor of the Town of Greece were all Catholics and by default, Christians (presumably like yourself, considering your comments on various other topics), and that the 4 opposed were 3 Jews and a fellow RC, who obviously did not let her own preferred religious views get in the way of her judgement?
The majority 5 rested their votes on
historical precedent and tradition.
Does it not appear strange and perhaps somewhat noticeably biased to you that the the SCOTUS opts to do that now, in a time of great change and transformation for the country, when in 1865, 1869, and even earlier than that,
historical precedents and traditions get chucked the hell out of the window on issues such as slavery and the right of states to secede from the federal union?
...only inviting Christian ministers for an invocation (which in itself is highly divisive) and refusing other religion's ministers, imams, spiritual leaders, etc, is an attempt to establish a state religion,
Do you believe that it's a legal requirement, or should be a legal requirement, to import a diverse set of ministers, rabbis, & other various clerics --- via some sort of
pre-determined numerical formula --- in order to present the invocations, even if it means going outside the localities geographical limits?
Which do you believe, that the inviting of only Christian Ministers is highly divisive, or is it the invocations themselves -- however worded -- that are highly divisive? Why?
....is an attempt to establish a state religion.....
And how is any of that you cite an attempt to establish a State Religion - where none exists, similar say to that of the Church of England --- the only State religion that immediately comes to mind?
.....if you are being honest, you'll admit Kennedy's spineless and absolutely biased decision was a blatant act of judicial activism.....
Not at all (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/hitqt9.gif) , honesty has nothing to do with how I should, would, or will respond to your assertion. (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/nono.gif) From anyone else, I would take that as an insult. From you, a disappointment.
So, while you're at it, please do explain from a legal standpoint, how does finding in favor of long standing tradition & precedent miraculously transform itself into judicial activism?
....religious views get in the way....
I sincerely doubt that the panels religious views could somehow outweigh the fact that they didn't see -- because it didn't exist -- a breach of the Constitution's Establishment Clause.....simply put, they were not establishing a State Religion, merely honoring a standing tradition shrouded in precedent.
Now, if they found otherwise, then you might be able to make a case for Judicial Activism.
The majority 5 rested their votes on historical precedent and tradition.
Does it not appear strange and perhaps somewhat noticeably biased to you that the the SCOTUS opts to do that now, in a time of great change and transformation for the country, when in 1865, 1869, and even earlier than that, historical precedents and traditions get chucked the hell out of the window on issues such as slavery and the right of states to secede from the federal union?
The Constitution does not change or transform 'cept thru Constitutional Amendment.
The attitude of the people might, & that's why there is a process to follow.
Slavery, & Secession ..... vs ..... Invocations ......(https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/imthinkin6.gif)...... Apples & Oranges.........Apples & Oranges
Besides, Slavery & Secession wasn't on the calendar in 2014. (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/chuckle002.gif)
...only inviting Christian ministers for an invocation (which in itself is highly divisive) and refusing other religion's ministers, imams, spiritual leaders, etc, is an attempt to establish a state religion,
Do you believe that it's a legal requirement, or should be a legal requirement, to import a diverse set of ministers, rabbis, & other various clerics --- via some sort of pre-determined numerical formula --- in order to present the invocations, even if it means going outside the localities geographical limits?
Which do you believe, that the inviting of only Christian Ministers is highly divisive, or is it the invocations themselves -- however worded -- that are highly divisive? Why?
....is an attempt to establish a state religion.....
And how is any of that you cite an attempt to establish a State Religion - where none exists, similar say to that of the Church of England --- the only State religion that immediately comes to mind?
.....if you are being honest, you'll admit Kennedy's spineless and absolutely biased decision was a blatant act of judicial activism.....
Not at all (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/hitqt9.gif) , honesty has nothing to do with how I should, would, or will respond to your assertion. (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/nono.gif) From anyone else, I would take that as an insult. From you, a disappointment.
So, while you're at it, please do explain from a legal standpoint, how does finding in favor of long standing tradition & precedent miraculously transform itself into judicial activism?
....religious views get in the way....
I sincerely doubt that the panels religious views could somehow outweigh the fact that they didn't see -- because it didn't exist -- a breach of the Constitution's Establishment Clause.....simply put, they were not establishing a State Religion, merely honoring a standing tradition shrouded in precedent.
Now, if they found otherwise, then you might be able to make a case for Judicial Activism.
The majority 5 rested their votes on historical precedent and tradition.
Does it not appear strange and perhaps somewhat noticeably biased to you that the the SCOTUS opts to do that now, in a time of great change and transformation for the country, when in 1865, 1869, and even earlier than that, historical precedents and traditions get chucked the hell out of the window on issues such as slavery and the right of states to secede from the federal union?
The Constitution does not change or transform 'cept thru Constitutional Amendment.
The attitude of the people might, & that's why there is a process to follow.
Slavery, & Secession ..... vs ..... Invocations ......(https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/imthinkin6.gif)...... Apples & Oranges.........Apples & Oranges
Besides, Slavery & Secession wasn't on the calendar in 2014. (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/chuckle002.gif)
1. Both are highly divisive. If the Town of Greece had periodically (say at the minimum of once per year) invited a religious leader of another persuasion of religion, I seriously doubt Galloway would have had a problem with it. She is a Jew, after all; why not invite a Rabbi from time to time? Oh that's right, because majority rules, and to hell with minorities, amirite? :rolleyes:
Additionally, why not mix it up from time to time? Go 3 weeks of meetings (usually at the 1st of the month, of course) with an invocation, then on the 4th, just get straight to business without one? Once again, because the majority rules and to hell with minorities; this is the repeated un-said response from many Christians throughout this country. Not all of course.
2. My goodness man; do I have to spell this out to you? Not trying to be an ass here, but when any layer of gov't, be it local, state or federal, repeats any form of religious tenant ("In Jesus' name we pray.....amen") regularly.......for 20 years.......without change, it is clear that said layer of gov't is trying to establish a state religion via endorsement from whichever layer of gov't we are speaking about. Once again, had a different religious leader of a different religion been invited to perform the invocation, it wouldn't appear as though the Town of Greece was vehemently endorsing the Christian religion. But they did not, and only began inviting other religious leaders of other religions when threatened with a lawsuit.I fully expect them to go back to the way it was for 20 years. Totally and pointlessly divisive.... I urge you to look at North Carolina's recent try to establish Christianity as the official state religion for that state. Not sure if you are being serious with your query or just merely trying to troll me, or rustle my jimmies. :left:
3. A swerve then; so be it. You and I are usually quite frank with each other, but if you wish to not openly admit it, that's fine. A reputable Tea Party member such as yourself should lead by example for that un-organized mass of people. No one else seems to be doing so, hence the recent decline of influence? Many within it would call Roe v Wade judicial activism..........and while I can respect a woman's right to choice.........I would thoroughly agree with the Tea People on that assertion of judicial activism.
4. A final swerve. How disappointing. :(
There are 2 national churches in Great Britain (just to assist SmileyFaze) but the Church of Scotland is Presbyterian and the state has no control or influence over it. Indeed when The Queen sends a representative he/she has to sit up in the gallery in a seperate area and now ti the deegates to the Annual Assembly. The same applies to HM if she is there.
Anyway more importantly, I have in the past noted that some Americans give the impression their country is wonderfully free of such formal influences. Well not it isn't. The dollar note is of course an obvious example (along with Masonic stuff) but so too is the swearing in of the head of state. Religion plays a far more role in the political life of America than the national churches here. And in addition there are great parts of that religious influence in the States that is far from moral, competent or to boast about. The Republican Party is a good example.
1. Both are highly divisive. If the Town of Greece had periodically (say at the minimum of once per year) invited a religious leader of another persuasion of religion, I seriously doubt Galloway would have had a problem with it. She is a Jew, after all; why not invite a Rabbi from time to time?
That's your biased opinion, is it not. Where does it say in the Constitution that it's anti-invocation, anti-prayer, anti-religion?
Nowhere, that's where. Seriously, the First Amendment is first because the founding fathers wanted it there....in a place of prominence. It specifically says:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;It specifically tells the Government what it can't do & must do ...... don't force us all to honor any one State Religion, like England did with the Church of England, & don't keep us from freely practicing our own religious practices -- whatever they may be.
If anything it's not a freedom
from religion, it's a freedom
for religion.
It doesn't present even the suggestion of a quota system, or how any religious person or group must practice......just the freedom to do so completely free of government proclamation or legislation.
But, in the end I agree with you that your suggestions are nice, & if presented properly to
their legislature, maybe they
might adopt some of your nice ideas.
That's what freedom is about, having the right to agree or even disagree.
....Once again, because the majority rules and to hell with minorities.....
That's a democracy. We have a Constitutional Republic, whereas it's based on democratic like principals that need to adhere to specific laws.
If they broke the law, then they would have been ruled against.
They didn't break the law, therefore the majority has the right to it's invocation as it sees fit.
If someday they choose to change how they open their sessions, as long as they don't break the law, they are at liberty to do so, knowing full well that some might not appreciate the proceedings as much as others.
That's life.
2. My goodness man; do I have to spell this out to you? Not trying to be an ass here, but when any layer of gov't, be it local, state or federal, repeats any form of religious tenant ("In Jesus' name we pray.....amen") regularly.......for 20 years.......without change, it is clear that said layer of gov't is trying to establish a state religion via endorsement from whichever layer of gov't we are speaking about.
Once again I agree that that is your personal opinion, which you have the right to, you are at liberty to have, & I respect it even though I may not agree with it.
Some day maybe you can don the black robes, & then you can come to a different decision based on your own minority opinion & interpretation of the First Amendment, but until then I doubt your opinions in this matter will see themselves expressed in a majority decision of any Supreme Court.
In my own personal opinion of what the First Amendment is, & what it controls, & as long as the Supreme Court Justices rule the same consistent way they have for the so many years ---200+/- --- things won't change & rulings like this will stand.
Now, I think you should wrap it up so we can return to the topic at hand ..... [glow=black,2,300]
ISLAM -- The Religion of Peace?[/glow]
If you want we can open a new thread just to discuss the pros & cons of the Supreme Court.
Take note, as always, you will probably find that on better than 60% of the rulings we will probably agree, & if not, we will respect each others right to disagree --- as in this case. As always you will have my completely honest opinions either way. I know you would expect nothing less. ---- Same here. (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/cheerskj4.gif)
PS......I like agreeing, as opposed to disagreeing.
There are 2 national churches in Great Britain (just to assist SmileyFaze) but the Church of Scotland is Presbyterian and the state has no control or influence over it. Indeed when The Queen sends a representative he/she has to sit up in the gallery in a seperate area and now ti the deegates to the Annual Assembly. The same applies to HM if she is there.
Anyway more importantly, I have in the past noted that some Americans give the impression their country is wonderfully free of such formal influences. Well not it isn't. The dollar note is of course an obvious example (along with Masonic stuff) but so too is the swearing in of the head of state. Religion plays a far more role in the political life of America than the national churches here. And in addition there are great parts of that religious influence in the States that is far from moral, competent or to boast about. The Republican Party is a good example.
Thanks for clearing that State Religion thing up for me, but in honesty I wasn't talking about GB, I was only talking about England.
As far as us here having more religious overtones in our government dealings & such, it only goes to the founding of our
'New World'.
People came to the
'New World' primarily due to religious persecution in Europe, & our United States were founded on & based on what some call Judeo-Christian Principals & Values.
So it stands to reason we Americans take our religious heritage, values, & principals a little more fervently than most Europeans do, so it shows in a lot of what we do, much to the chagrin of the non-religious minority amongst us.
Can't please everyone you know.
Persecution is not an original feature in any religion; but it is always the strongly-marked feature of all law-religions, or religions established by law. Take away the law-establishment, and every religion re-assumes its original benignity.
Glad I was able to inform you a bit more than known SmileyFaze. However the Church of England down south does not have the influence that religion has in America even without it having a national church. Just loo espeically in the Republican Party corner at how involved religion is in that area. We over here have nothing like that thank goodness. Spiritual neo-cons is an American phenomena.
As for quoting the early Americans and the Constitution the sad truth is that they may well for the sake of arument have been reasonable men but what their country did after is something else. Persecution of the native Indians in vast numbers. Persecution of the Negroes in vast numbers. When immigrants from Europe arrived in droves they were cowed and kept subjugated as well. Any country on Earth that does not accept the will of America is in for persecution so Thomas Paine and others have been ignored. If those who assemble in Philadelphia came back today they would be shocked and greatly saddened by what came after them.
Back on topic:Mentally handicapped exploited as human bombs in Iraq
(ANSA) - Baghdad, May 29 - An Islamic militant group linked to al-Qaeda is using mentally handicapped people as unwitting "human bombs" to carry out attacks in Iraq, an Iraqi government source said Thursday.
The interior ministry source said there have been seven such attacks carried out in recent months by militants of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIS). "They kidnap mentally ill people in the streets, make them wear explosive vests, then they make them detonate with remote control devices," said General Saad Maan, spokesman for the interior minister..........
What do you think of this maleficent development in the name of the Allah?
Is this the Religion of Peace, or is it the Religion of Pieces (as in body parts)?? (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/firefart.gif)
(ANSA) - Baghdad, May 29 - An Islamic militant group linked to al-Qaeda is using mentally handicapped people as unwitting "human bombs" to carry out attacks in Iraq, an Iraqi government source said Thursday.
What do you think of this maleficent development in the name of the Allah?
A maleficent development the USA is responsible for.
There was no al-Qaeda in Iraq before the USA invaded it. Through an invasion justified with lies they turned Iraq into a mess.
Hundreds of thousands of victims during the invasion and a sectarian war they left behind.
SmileyFaze's needs to listen a bit more to Pope Francis words.
What is not an endorsement to pacifism, just see the Swiss Vatican guard history.
A maleficent development the USA is responsible for.
There was no al-Qaeda in Iraq before the USA invaded it. Through an invasion justified with lies they turned Iraq into a mess.
Hundreds of thousands of victims during the invasion and a sectarian war they left behind.
Can't see the forest for the trees can you?
All the acts being committed are being committed due to the warped perverted messages from the head of the "Religion of Peace" & his book of convoluted warfare.
Without Islam, there would never have been an al-Qaeda.
SmileyFaze's needs to listen a bit more to Pope Francis words.
I consider myself a Christian who has had the benefit of a Roman Catholic childhood/upbringing.
I follow no organizational religion, so my relationship with my God is of a personal one-on-One nature.
The words of the Pope mean little to me except as in a comparison to the words of Mohammud, whereas
this Pope has the higher moral ground by leaps & bounds.
Now what a telling comment.
It suggest that you are not a practicing RC but instead fall back on a childhood cover story. Then the religion you thank for that sees you thinking more of that child molestor would-be Islam prophet than the man in the white shoes?? Somehow you think that liking the present Pope makes that all right. Boy oh boy what a confusion merchant you are.
Is the ultimate purpose of mankind's existence to debate, argue, fight and kill over whose god is real or best? Grown intellectual men and women will waste their entire lifetimes on this nonsense while in the end there is no such thing as a god, it's just leftover thinking from an ancient and superstitious era. Science has calmly, rationally and logically shown that no god could possibly exist simply because there was no time before the big bang. Science has no interest or hidden agenda in pointing this out and it really doesn't give a rat's ass whether you can grasp this concept of physics or not--it simply is the way things are.
We truly are at the infant stage of our development as a species when one steps back and sees how inane all this talk about a god/creator really is. In most religions our eternal lives depend on our belief in one god or another and yet no god chooses to make his presence perfectly clear--it's a game god plays with our eternal souls. Logical? Rational? Nope, god is the biggest practical joke ever perpetuate on the human race. Is this to be our legacy? Is the greatest thing humans aspire to the endless fighting and hate that a belief in gods brings upon us? As a species, it's high time we moved on.
I have a brief moment of sentience in the universe, I will not waste any of it believing in something as mindless as a god. Moreover, the meaning of life is not to be found with some guru on a mountain top or even in the deepest depths of rigorous and intense meditation. You need not find some god to get the answer--the meaning of life is what each of us makes of it. It is not mysterious, mystical or supernatural, nor is it only understandable by those of 'superior intellect' as Ersi would have us believe--the meaning of life is simply what we choose it to be.
1. Both are highly divisive. If the Town of Greece had periodically (say at the minimum of once per year) invited a religious leader of another persuasion of religion, I seriously doubt Galloway would have had a problem with it. She is a Jew, after all; why not invite a Rabbi from time to time?
That's your biased opinion, is it not. Where does it say in the Constitution that it's anti-invocation, anti-prayer, anti-religion?
Nowhere, that's where. Seriously, the First Amendment is first because the founding fathers wanted it there....in a place of prominence. It specifically says:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
It specifically tells the Government what it can't do & must do ...... don't force us all to honor any one State Religion, like England did with the Church of England, & don't keep us from freely practicing our own religious practices -- whatever they may be.
If anything it's not a freedom from religion, it's a freedom for religion.
It doesn't present even the suggestion of a quota system, or how any religious person or group must practice......just the freedom to do so completely free of government proclamation or legislation.
But, in the end I agree with you that your suggestions are nice, & if presented properly to their legislature, maybe they might adopt some of your nice ideas.
That's what freedom is about, having the right to agree or even disagree.
....Once again, because the majority rules and to hell with minorities.....
That's a democracy. We have a Constitutional Republic, whereas it's based on democratic like principals that need to adhere to specific laws.
If they broke the law, then they would have been ruled against.
They didn't break the law, therefore the majority has the right to it's invocation as it sees fit.
If someday they choose to change how they open their sessions, as long as they don't break the law, they are at liberty to do so, knowing full well that some might not appreciate the proceedings as much as others.
That's life.
2. My goodness man; do I have to spell this out to you? Not trying to be an ass here, but when any layer of gov't, be it local, state or federal, repeats any form of religious tenant ("In Jesus' name we pray.....amen") regularly.......for 20 years.......without change, it is clear that said layer of gov't is trying to establish a state religion via endorsement from whichever layer of gov't we are speaking about.
Once again I agree that that is your personal opinion, which you have the right to, you are at liberty to have, & I respect it even though I may not agree with it.
Some day maybe you can don the black robes, & then you can come to a different decision based on your own minority opinion & interpretation of the First Amendment, but until then I doubt your opinions in this matter will see themselves expressed in a majority decision of any Supreme Court.
In my own personal opinion of what the First Amendment is, & what it controls, & as long as the Supreme Court Justices rule the same consistent way they have for the so many years ---200+/- --- things won't change & rulings like this will stand.
Now, I think you should wrap it up so we can return to the topic at hand ..... [glow=black,2,300]ISLAM -- The Religion of Peace?[/glow]
If you want we can open a new thread just to discuss the pros & cons of the Supreme Court.
Take note, as always, you will probably find that on better than 60% of the rulings we will probably agree, & if not, we will respect each others right to disagree --- as in this case. As always you will have my completely honest opinions either way. I know you would expect nothing less. ---- Same here. (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/cheerskj4.gif)
PS......I like agreeing, as opposed to disagreeing.
1. Of course it is. Why stir up an ant bed when all parties involved could agree on a compromise and most everyone walks away satisfied; something along the lines that I have suggested. I'll tell you why; because as I have posted, quite a few in your preferred religion would prefer to lord their majority over the others, without getting input from the minority.............now at what point in our history has this occurred before, hmm? You appear to have taken what I posted as an effort to oust Invocations completely; a position I judiciously guarded against by suggesting that for every 4 town meetings; 3 be done by Christian ministers, followed by a minority religion. The next 4 would follow a similar phase, though on that 4th time this time go 'round, there would be no invocation,
for that one time only. Finally, if the local leaders in question didn't have their heads up their arses and wouldn't so averse to
any compromise, such proposals wouldn't have to go to the state level, as it could be taken care of locally. I think we can both agree that many issues can and should be dealt with locally?
2. I doubt I'll ever don any black robes. I am too busy trying to hedge against the coming US economic collapse. 3 bubbles are set to burst, and I intend to avoid the fall out.
3. Feel free to bloviate ad nauseum about Islam and it's fundie fringe, but a robust discussion such as we have had was needed for this thread. :cheers:
4. I'll end this the honorable way by agreeing with you to agree to vehemently disagree with much of your position, especially the bit about their being NO freedom from religion. That wording was worded as so to be vague.
Finally, for all of the Christians who do wish to lord their majority position over those of us in the minority religious position, with no input from us, I say this to you.....
Our Day Will Come. :devil:
Aye you wish but not whilst I am getting ready for the marching season here laddie. :knight:
God is Great.
http://www.smh.com.au/world/the-struggle-to-keep-an-afghan-girl-safe-after-a-mullah-is-accused-of-rape-20140720-zuypw.html
Sadly but unfortunately this is hardly an exceptional situation.
Here in Britain we seem to have a special problem with young male Muslims in particular. Gangs of Muslim young men have been responsible time after time for sex crimes and especially on under age white girls. Of course such can happen whatever the background but again repeatedly we get news of yet another Islam gang of offenders. They cannot get away with it here with their own but the "Kuffirs" are there for the taking. A while ago on the Opera Forums I detailed a situation in the north of England when a main televison channel (Channel 4) did a special programme on the rape of especially younger white girls by Asia gangs. Even had a mother on detailing how her daughter had been treated. The regional olice service in the area then tried through the legal system to get Channel 4 blocked from showing the programme but eventually failed and had to apologise.
Even more recent was a case of a couple who did sexual stuff on an altar in a RC church in N. Ireland and nothing was done . Elsewhere a silly pair smeared the handles of a Muslim temple with bacon then threw the stuff inside the entrance hall. Equally stupoi although in their small minds they thought it funny. They got months in jail.
When in a minority Islam will play it cool but as it grows it gets more ambitious, demanding and the number of young Muslims keen on fighting somewhere increases. America is a big country so a bit slower there but here on this small island it is becoming a different story altogether.
Sadly but unfortunately this is hardly an exceptional situation.
Here in Britain we seem to have a special problem with young male Muslims in particular. Gangs of Muslim young men have been responsible time after time for sex crimes............
Well, more & more women are becoming self-reliant here every day.
You may not approve of our methods (like we give a roasted flying shit), but it will send the message, loud & clear.
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No the message is you are all childish oer there and it is one hell of a country that so many people need guns. Yu seems to be born with a fear complex and shoot each other in thousands. Biggest nutjob nation on earth Smiley! However you have given the head shrinker industry much business and create jobs in it. No sensible country would want to imitate your system. Not only in gun madness, prison populations, people on death row for years (ridiculous) over the top sentencing and so on. Islamists can be dealt with without us all becoming nuts. That you don't care what other countires think of you is not a confidence but an ignorance, conceit and elementary brain use.
Allow me to shed some story and some messages from my ancestors .
''never underestimate the Bee , rat , and Ghost in a Beautiful box ''
--bee is producing honey , but they have sting in their ass . firstly, they will Speak so Sweet and act so nice , but in the end they will Stab from behind .
-- the trait of rats is always destroy something , and they breed fast .
--Ghost in a beautiful box , is a trap that hidden in a beautiful package .
When the box opened , everyone Will Shocked .
it's coded , and to decode that
it's necessary to understand, about Why Manipulators , will manipulate .
???
in Year 1400 Saka ( 1478 ) , a Kingdom in Java Island is fall .
they Fallen , because attacked by Bees , Rats , and Ghosts in boxes .
let me know , anyone ?
is there are some Events in your Land , with the same pattern -- mentioned above ?
........that so many people [glow=blue,2,300]need [/glow] guns........
Need has absolutely nothing to do with it.......the Right to Keep & Bear Arms noted in the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution (And the Bill of Rights) is not now, & never has been, dependent on a
need!!!
Need plays no part in the preservation &/or defense of that right -- a right much bigger than the words of any person, any document, or any government. Every human being has the inalienable right to protect themselves, their family, & their friends.
...No sensible country would want to imitate your system.....
As if we care ....... To each their own, but we will continue the way we please, in spite of your personal observations. (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/usa-flag-89.gif)
....would want to imitate your system. Not only in gun madness, prison populations, people on death row for years (ridiculous) over the top sentencing and so on......
You are free to design your own destiny, as we are ours.
We wouldn't want it any other way,
....That you don't care what other countires think of you is not a confidence but an ignorance, conceit and elementary brain use.
In the end that seems to bother you way, way more than it bothers us. (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/cleanteeth09.gif)
You should tend to the Islamic vermin in your own backyard, & worry less about us. (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/A%20OK%20002.gif)
We'll take care of all our own distractions, & as we see fit to, too ............... thank you. (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/cheerskj4.gif)
Oh BTW, we are so very good at what we decide to do.
Seriously, after over 235 years, you'd think we would stop amazing ourselves, but here we are again, still doing it.
Go figure.
Conceited.........I think not.
Consistently convinced makes more sense. (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/chuckle002.gif)
[glow=green,2,300]Thousands of Christians Fleeing Northern Iraq Following ISIS' [/glow][glow=blue,2,300]'Convert or Die' [/glow] [glow=green,2,300]Ultimatum[/glow]
Thousands of Christians are fleeing northern Iraq and communities they have lived in for almost 2,000 years following militant group ISIS' ultimatum last week that they convert to Islam, pay a tax, or be killed for their faith.
"In my opinion this is a very grave situation. No Western leader is moving to stop such a tragedy but they offer only empty words with no actions," Dr. Munir S. Kakish, Chairman Council of Local Evangelical Churches in the Holy Land, told The Christian Post in an email on Sunday. "ISIS must be stopped before it wipes out Christians from other areas."........continued
Religion of Peace???
Give me a B52 loaded to the eyeballs with 100,000 megaton nukes & I'll show them rag headed Islamics
some long deserved eternal peace! (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/BigToothSmile.gif)
Well, that seems not like Religion issues .
but more like mental health issues ..
On the other hand ,
People that have tolerance , will tolerate people that intollerance .
But people that intollerance , will not tolerate the People that have tolerance .
in the end , People that have tolerance and tolerance itself, will extinct .
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if want to have Stupid sh*t like Tolerance , just make sure to have Enough Power to defend the tolerance .
if want to have Stupid sh*t like Tolerance , just make sure to have Enough Power to defend the tolerance .
(Just passing through…)
Sparta makes the obvious point! Why was everyone else afraid to say it?
And Christians have had to flee in Syria too when previously they were safe. In one Christian town the monks were given an immediate order to leave with what they were standing in. Egypt is another culprit so it and there are places in Israel where Zionists make life difficult so it is across the ME. We here in what I now call Londonstan (used to be an indigenous city but not now) we have had Islamists come out with some shocking posters in protests. I would be arrested if I did something similar and we are giving in too much for them.
Sir , in my humble opinion .
if you really care about your Country .
tell your Government to Expand the Mental health care services .
before the Viruses of insanity affect the majority of your People .
for some reason , They will always looks , interested , and have subjective about Majority .
that's an Epic combination arround Stupidity and Insanity .
Never Underestimate the Power of Stupid People in large Groups
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--Remember this , When Bees and Rats put Ghosts in beautiful boxes .
that time, Chaos will come .
Stupid people in large groups leaves that door wider open, haha.
ISIS Jihadists, who pledged to spread the Ebola Virus (http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/turkish-poet-islam-is-worse-than-nazism) throughout USA & Europe, already there carrying the deadly disease to unsuspecting Europeans.
Kinf of typical of a religion found by a child narryer that claims to be Godly doing this kind of barbaric stuff. :down:
Kinf of typical of a religion found by a child narryer that claims to be Godly doing this kind of barbaric stuff. :down:
(https://dndsanctuary.eu/index.php?action=reporttm;topic=56.250;msg=24971)
Do you know that my Country is the only part of Christianity, and the most special and loyal one to the Holy Church and to the Holy Priest, that still today evokes the name of Allah everyday trough the Portuguese word "oxalá"?
It's a corruptelle of "Inch Allah" meaning be it what Allah desires, be it what God wants. :)
And God starts to be irritated with you....
Well don't you tell the authorities in Malaysia as they have been singling out Christians for having the nerve to use the word and banning them from using it.
Oops - that was a reply for Belfrager from me!
In any Democracy there should be a free exchange of ideas, & policies.
When the freedom of speech is negotiated away by the requirements of so called
"political correctness", all freedoms & liberties will eventually follow -- some slower than others, but follow they will nevertheless.
There are some that say that Islam is the Religion of Peace, yet there are others -- mostly those that have had run-ins with Islam -- there are others that say that Islam is definitely not a Religion of Peace, & that Islam is not even a religion at all in it's proper interpretation ... that Islam is merely a totalitarian ideology bent on violent world domination.
Here are some videos that discuss & highlight this particular issue, followed by two (2) important videos relative to the discussion: [VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xad6oICLqk[/VIDEO]
[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQOCcx5V9RI[/VIDEO]
[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdX1qpCtlh8[/VIDEO]
I have heard Geert Wilders before and have to say that I have no problem at all in what he says and how he says it. Europe and here in Gt Britain there is a time bomb ticking and it shouldn't be thought the USA is somehow immune being so big and where it is. You have already found in NYC what can happen. The head of the government waste of money the Equalities Commission who is of overseas extraction has admitted that multi-multiculturalism isn't working!
Wherever Islam flourishes there will be trouble no matter the moderates. Europe is awash with the trouble they have created. The more you get involved with their contributing countries the worse you will suffer eventually. I should also remind you that you are deeply involved with Islamic dictatorships in the ME for example the leader being Saudi Arabia which is a shocking example of intolerance and ant-democratic ways. London is no longer indigenous and neither is Birmingham our second city as are other towns down south in England. Across Europe it is the same so heed the warning SmileyFaze.
Warning: The graphic nature of the following beheading video should be viewed with caution, if at all!
The Religion of Peace?
Is Islam a religion at all, or is it just another sick, perverted ideology --- & this beheading just peaceful Islamic ecstasy?
Warning: The graphic nature of the following beheading video should be viewed with caution, if at all!
[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xczWwZHpj-0[/VIDEO]
I see YouTube has cast it's vote! (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/imthinkin6.gif)
What do you think?
Islam is a kind of religion and also frankly a way of life. It contradicts the meaning of demcracy and it is very hard to fit any of their Islamic daft countries into that sphere. A passing thing also is this nonsense of it's founder marrying a child of 7 and he claimed to be a prophet?
Down south in England our national capital Londonstan ( indigenous Britons are now a minority due to white flight) a group of Islamist filled a car tunnel under the river Thames with their cars and sporting that Islamic State flag. It is reckoned there are 500 "British citizens" over in the Middle east with that crowd of mental midgets. Some 250 are said to be from London alone. Personally, i have little time for it at all and it has never struck me as having basic things like the importance of love and such. Being a way of life it is not very good at the democratic angle hence my concern about it. You have to stick pokers up moderates to get condemnation of the damnable work of IS. This small island is already overcrowded and the great rise in the popualtion is from these imparted people as they breed like rabbits and such. Now the most overcrowded nation in Europe we are storing up one damnable future as Islam grows and mosques open up everywhere like supermarkets. For the moment I am being downright selfish by saying that I will be glad I am not here at the end of this century as we will be overwhelmed and heavne help the country.
I see YouTube has cast it's vote!
Good and quite rightly so. If anyone has the desire to see such a video, (though I am at a loss to think why), then they can go and find it elsewhere. Posting it here was not necessary, regardless of your warning about it's content.
Well I am not that keen to see it and the incident itself is enough for me.
Good. Saves me the trouble of removing it. Partly because of reasons given by Luxor, and partly because the family has requested that the video shouldn't be spread.
Also I don't want to help IS/IL in any way, they want this video spread, and of course they are succeeding.
Gotcha's..........The video was already removed prior to me posting. The post was made to just make you all aware of the latest so called "Religion of Peace" perverted & revolting activity.
Judged by all your reactions, it was a thumping success! (https://dndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.smileys.me.uk%2Fsmileys%2FHappy%2Fhappy0159.gif&hash=a66898d9605c2d2542a17440b9a40ba3" rel="cached" data-hash="a66898d9605c2d2542a17440b9a40ba3" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://www.smileys.me.uk/smileys/Happy/happy0159.gif)
Well ...
Afaik , traditionally they will create some Stories .
If that was not islam ..
But that are Jews , and Murica that disguised as islam to make them look bad .
Or something like -- ISIS is Created by US and zionis ..
Well ...
Afaik , traditionally they will create some Stories .
If that was not islam ..
But that are Jews , and Murica that disguised as islam to make them look bad .
Or something like -- ISIS is Created by US and zionis ..
You've been hanging around Katsung too long.
ew,
in here ,
that shit happened for real , Since hundred years ago.
they just combined that .. but always have the same pattern ( Label Sellers , Claimism, Disinformation , The big lie technique , Black or White fallacy , gray fallacy , etc ) also almost have similarity with ancient 36 stratagems .
basically , it used to blame jews for their shits .
and in the last 6-7 decades , they put murica and zionist in the list .
well,
retarded-hypocrisy are just too mainstream .
Let's not forget the political and strategical aspects at play:
One Big Question Surrounds The Murder Of US Journalist James Foley By ISIS (http://www.businessinsider.com/how-did-isis-kidnap-james-foley-2014-8)
The Assad regime has been a big winner from the IS/IL phenomena, Not the Assad supporters, they were on the receiving end of ISIL brutality long before many people cared, as the Syrian regime was (and should be) considered a hostile regime.
There circulate many theories on the net and in the pressphere Who Is Really Behind ISIL. Surprisingly it is always the suspect the theorist likes the least. The US is the culprit, in cohorts with Israel, Syria, Qatar, Saudi-Arabia, Iraq and Iran. Maybe the Chinese are into it too. Inside the US this is neatly divided among partisan lines, ISIL is the brainchild of Bush-Cheney and Obama.
Reluctantly I have come to the position that none of the above are behind ISIL, not even Saudi-Arabia which quite reasonable should be the first suspect. On the other hand, like in an Agatha Christie murder mystery, all are behind it. ISIL didn't appear when they become front page news, they have been around for years, expanding their operations into Syria when the civil war started. Tactical decisions from the parties, extreme brutality (which made al-Zawahiri disown them as they were alienating the very Sunni Iraqis that should be their support), and an as-yet undiscovered secret sauce made them what they are today.
like in an Agatha Christie murder mystery
Murder on the Middle Orient Express...
Reluctantly I have come to the position that none of the above are behind ISIL, not even Saudi-Arabia which quite reasonable should be the first suspect.
It must cost some money to fund them... someone has to be paying the circus.
When you eliminate all the possibilities then the impossible comes true...
It must cost some money to fund them... someone has to be paying the circus.
When you eliminate all the possibilities then the impossible comes true...
It must be Putin. Why should we left him out this time?
First he destabilized Iraq so ISIL can spread there and afterwards he destabilized Syria so that ISIL can spread there too.
It must be Putin. Why should we left him out this time?
First he destabilized Iraq so ISIL can spread there and afterwards he destabilized Syria so that ISIL can spread there too.
:) I didn't said that.
Honestly, I don't know.
For the love of Mike- the US bogeyman Putin man is responsible? What about the weaponry supplied by the USA? and the Islamists US allies who are dictatorships? Who was it that trained the Iraq Army/ Putin is a handy fall guy but the practice says something else!
What happened to the American journalist was a disgusting and evil thing and making up all sorts of excuses to justify his execution. Bombing these Muslim gits is right. I am no great fan of President Obama but what he said about that poor man and the situation was correct. One cannot but feel for his family and he was a decent and reasonable man. There is something fundamentally wrong with Islam that whole legions of them want to go about killing in such barbarous ways to justify the faith. no love, no compassion like other faiths. They could not care a damn about modernity (although will use modern tools and communications). You must accept what they say and stuff anything else. Here in Europe there is a tinderbox and although open mindsets here in Britain toady we are part of the downward process for the future. Some of these murderous scum will return as one has said and make a bomb to set off somewhere.
They are content enough to live here use our Welfare state,demand this and that and too many politicians just play cricket with them. This is a much different invasion than any before and we will erupt one day in the future not only on this now overcrowded island but across Europe. What moderate Muslims seem to suitably ignore than in the future it is not only the indigenous who will suffer but them. They do not speak out enough.
And anyway there must be something deeply flawed in the mentality that needs to kill to prove some daft pointless, well, point. Whole swathes of GB are over-run and breeding grounds for the militants as over the English Channel.
For the love of Mike- the US bogeyman Putin man is responsible? What about the weaponry supplied by the USA? and the Islamists US allies who are dictatorships? Who was it that trained the Iraq Army/ Putin is a handy fall guy but the practice says something else!
krake was being sarcastic, you know. :P
For the love of Mike- the US bogeyman Putin man is responsible? What about the weaponry supplied by the USA? and the Islamists US allies who are dictatorships? Who was it that trained the Iraq Army/ Putin is a handy fall guy but the practice says something else!
krake was being sarcastic, you know. :P
(https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/chuckle002.gif) Touchy, touchy, touchy ....... Perish the thought that you even sarcastically suggest that Vlad, RJ's
'Orange Order Borscht Buddy', might just be connected to anything --- RJ might just get his panties in such a twist that it causes him ta give birth ta a two headed American Pit Bull Terrier!!! (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/biglaugh023.gif)
They are supposedly well-heeled.
How an arrest in Iraq revealed Isis's $2bn jihadist network (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/15/iraq-isis-arrest-jihadists-wealth-power)
I wonder, though, what motivations the Guardian's sources have for this reveal. They may be the richest terror group on the planet, but that wealth isn't in Bank of Isil.
Laughable SmileyFaze. It would take more than an American terrorist supporter to make me touchy. You lot think you have some God given right to rule the world and any country (like Putin's) that won't accept your big headedness is beyond the pale. And a n American bull terrier? Pffffhhh! If it is as brilliant as the lot who messed up Iraq, trained it's army (haha), had to flee out of Somalia, lose S. Vietnam and other places, well no thanks. :rolleyes:
I am glad I visited the Twin Towers before the horror and just think, lots of the murderers involved are funded by your pals the Saudi Arabians. But then selling them corporates military stuff and getting bases does away with principles, eh? I think as much of Islamists as I do about your chums across the Irish Sea. Same league. :doh:
The dubious 'Religion of Peace' -- through it's terrorist arm ISIS, beheads another American, & threatens to do the same to a British Citizen next.
[glow=green,2,300]From (CNN) (http://edition.cnn.com/2014/09/02/world/meast/isis-american-journalist-sotloff/index.html) -- ISIS video shows beheading of American journalist Steven Sotloff[/glow]
Where are the cries of outrage from the world's 1.6 Billion Islamic Community?
Their silence, as always, is deafening!!!
If they don't vocally condemn this action of The Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, does the Islamic Community actually condone them?
No. Some do, but the vast majority don't anywhere support has been polled (nobody has polled in Iraq, but it is a question how big support ISIL has with the Sunni Arabs in Iraq). Before these two Americans thousands of others, mostly Iraqi and Syrian, have been killed during the years. Americans are not in harm's way of ISIL, but many other groups are.
The support of or sympathy for ISIL seems to come in two groups. Some see them as legitimate resistance against the US-Iranian regime in Iraq and against the Assad regime in Syria (who still have the record of murder, mutilation, and mayhem in the region, but ISIL is a runner-up), others have fallen for the caliphate propaganda. If they can become US enemy number one, they have effectively de-legitimised Al Queda as a has-been.
Their extreme brutality may lead to an attrition of support in the first group, as has happened elsewhere, and which has happened with them earlier when under different names. However, it is possible it increases their appeal with the second group.
I'm not seeing why they endeavor so much for having the US fighting them directly instead of just take care of Iraquian authorities.
It's very obvious that warnings, with American citizens beheaded and youtubed, for the US stop attacks are aimed in fact to make the US multiply by a thousand such attacks and give them not too much chances.
It would made sense if attracting the US for a trap but what trap?
The plan and the Trap = The world Burn .
Some men just want to watch the World Burn .
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Sometimes, uncle alfred is not fully wrong .
British PM Cameron ( who is a twit, to put it nicely) has made some recent comments that are clearly not-so-subtle hints to our brainless incumbent President ( seek out a coalition and put the fawkers out of bidness):
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/03/obama-david-cameron-nato-coalition (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/03/obama-david-cameron-nato-coalition)
Well I have to say that Cameron is as you say if but a well educated one and his pal in the White House should have stayed in Chicago as there is much to try and cope with there. I don't have much time for Islam (surprise, surprise) and you just don't know what is going to happen next or where. Here in Glasgow a young woman with a whole life ahead of her has gone. She was educated at Glasgow's top, expensive private girls' school then beat it to help the Islamic State nutters. Her family feel shocked and terribly let down. They cannot understand it and she had saddened them as they totally disagree with what she has done.
So it shows a deep flaw in Islam that every so often someone trusted and sensible appearing suddenly goes off to join the half-wits. Several years ago w from a Pakistani Muslim background (as usual) tried to ram a car into Glasgow Airport and started a brief car fire. One got battered by a Glasgow man (rightly) and the other was a doctor. A doctor for goodness sake! With Obama and Cameron mouthing off it will be interesting to see how these two comedians come up with a plan on these latest fanatics.
Oh, and before I forget. The decapitation of the two journalists and another inn the list is evil and bad enough but hey what about that great Western ally, Saudia Arabia? Every single week a group of men get their heads cut off too. When do we take that lot on.?
So it shows a deep flaw in Islam that every so often someone trusted and sensible appearing suddenly goes off to join the half-wits.
Did you mean,
RJ, to imply exactly the opposite of what you wrote? Your characterization of these Jihadi tourists (http://theweek.com/article/index/266528/how-the-west-produces-jihadi-tourists) is off by a mile…
I'm waiting for further developments. Reports on the radio (and now I find them all over the Internet-- take your pick of the favorite newsfeed) indicate that the peace-lovers at ISIL/ISIS have come into possession of a Russian fighter plane, and have threatened Putin. "You're next!" This could get interesting, as-- having already beheaded 2 Americans and threatening a UK journalist with beheading next-- they now seem to be trying to get Russia riled up.
Geez, don't these people read history books? What happened last time somebody got the USA, the UK and the old USSR all on the same side against them? Somehow, I don't think ISIL/ISIS has as much "throw weight" behind them as Nazi Germany did in WW2, and look what happened then. Keep it up, and I fancy that ISIL/ISIS will have about all the peace a body can stand-- and maybe then some.
.....Somehow, I don't think ISIL/ISIS has as much "throw weight" behind them as Nazi Germany did in WW2.....,
You're quite right regarding
conventional overall might, but unless they decide to dye themselves in iridescent green day-glow, when they eventually blend themselves into society, a society they already have Islamic roots in -- London, NYC, LA, Paris, Berlin, ....... the list goes on ...... they have the ability to just strike in horror -- independently, or in concert -- without a care in the world.
Why? Because they are suicidal terrorists of the worst kind, hellbent on murder & terror in the name of creating a pure Islamic Caliphate.
There isn't a populated location on this planet they can not infiltrate with their [glow=red,2,300]'Home Grown Islamic Meliorists & Converts'[/glow], obsessed with creating one Islamic world using any & every perverse means at their disposal --- an eventual World-Wide Islamic Caliphate.[/i]
Imagine walking peacefully in crowded London. All of a sudden 6 home grown ISIS combatants whip out their cutlery, & kill dozens upon dozens of innocent Londoners in a mad fit of controlled rage, in the most horrible of ways.
Who will stop them?
Who will be able to keep them from simultaneously repeating this carnage in every major city in the world?
Then in say, 1 week..........repeat the carnage, over, & over, & over, & over again.
Sorry MJM, Hitlers lil cuties could never accomplish this much horror in their best of days.
And just when you think you've found & killed them all, & nothing happens world-wide for weeks, like the mother of all storms it starts all over again!!!
Think this can't happen?..........Unimaginable you say?.............I hope you're right....lets just wait & see.
Let them emigrate, settle, & move in next door --- Let's continue to welcome them in with our loving, open arms.
Sadly I believe, many hundreds are already here amongst us -------- wherever you call here ------------ & now as we speak, they are getting secretly stronger & even more aggressive.
Wanna have a lottery as to if or when the flood gates will or might open?
Do you disagree with the possibility of the simple scenarios I laid out?
I implore you to show us why.
And most importantly, what
facts led you to your conclusions?
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Put your hand over your eyes (peeking is permitted), & click (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/awright005.gif) (http://www.islamcan.com/audio/adhan/azan12.mp3) if you agree.
No I am not off by a mile at all Oakdale. It is direct and to the point!
I'm waiting for further developments. Reports on the radio (and now I find them all over the Internet-- take your pick of the favorite newsfeed) indicate that the peace-lovers at ISIL/ISIS have come into possession of a Russian fighter plane, and have threatened Putin. "You're next!" This could get interesting, as-- having already beheaded 2 Americans and threatening a UK journalist with beheading next-- they now seem to be trying to get Russia riled up.
It is a cost-less gesture, Russia is the enemy, has always been the enemy. The US has had to balance different interests, but Russia has not. To declare Putin the enemy is pure win, and make them more attractive to other enemies of Russia, like Chechen and other Caucasian islamists, many who already sympathise with ISIL. It may be a little confusing to Westerners to whom Russia has increasingly been positioned as an enemy, so if ISIL is our enemy's enemy, is ISIL then our friends?
I've idly wondered if ISIL will be the first group to score a hat-trick and declare China an enemy as well (India is after all pretty much a given), but there probably isn't enough in it for them. China is otherwise cozening up with Iran, another arch-enemy.
Over simplifying just saying Russia has always been the enemy. The same wording 100% can be laid at the West so both the West and Russia have equality in the club.
Up here in the northern part of the Kingdom, preachers in mosques have been strongly advising their flocks not to get involved with the Islamist head-bangers in IS. That is to be commended even though i regard it as a falsely based traditional religion.
Gentlemen, meet your enemy in person.
The Islamic State (https://news.vice.com/show/the-islamic-state)
I wonder what's your opinion about it, both documentary and IS.
(I saw the full length documentary but can't find the link, the above one has five parts)
It isn't really much better than places like Saudi Arabia is it? The West (rightly) argues that IS is a disgusting and vile organisation but so too is that country in the ME. Women cannot even be allowed to drive a car for goodness sake and as I pointed out and suitably ignore there are tens of thousands who have been jailed for wanting more freedoms AND every dashed week they cut the heads of people. Mind you I am not surprised places like Saudi are ignored here as they are pals of the so-called heroes of democracy, rights, freedoms, etc - namely the West.
Where are you actually from RJ......you say "The West" as if you were from somewhere other than "The West" .....like "The East" .......So RJ where are you really from, & if you had to take up arms (which would truly disgust you to no end I'm sure) if you had to take up arms to defend where you're really from, besides yourself, who would you be defending?
Seen from Hong Kong you are to the east, even though you belong to the West.
As I see it the "border" between the West and the East would go through Afghanistan.
Well, let's take a look at our trusty World Atlas, shall we?
Hmmmm. Glasgow, Scotland. Let's see here. Western edge of Scotland, on the Clyde River, in (at this writing) the UK. The UK consistently takes up arms with "The West" and if you ask most citizens of other countries-- specifically former Eastern Bloc countries-- they would tell you to a man that the UK is a Western nation, not an Eastern one. Just a wild hunch here, but I'd bet that if Scotland DOES vote for independence on the 18th, the new nation will identify in most minds--at home and abroad-- as a Western nation rather than an Eastern one.
So-- that gives RJHowie and his anti-Western rants a bit of a problem. Somehow I just don't picture him sitting in his rooms doing Buddhist chants-- he's a Presbyterian, a staunch Orangeman-- so that possible link to the East doesn't work either. Could be he's a Westerner who just doesn't like it much.
So-- that gives RJHowie and his anti-Western rants a bit of a problem. Somehow I just don't picture him sitting in his rooms doing Buddhist chants-- he's a Presbyterian, a staunch Orangeman-- so that possible link to the East doesn't work either. Could be he's a Westerner who just doesn't like it much.
You're misunderstanding him. He doesn't mean an Asian country. He's developed a strange love affair with Russia as of late. I remember some years ago he expressed admiration for the czars. Maybe that explains it; he sees Putin as a new czar rebuilding the Russian empire. It's a shame, really. Howie doing would Buddhist chants and preaching on that religion would be 20% funnier (well 19.7275 according to my calculations, but this keeps the numbers simple.)
Amongst the gobblygook the one with the most sensible appraisal is mjsmsprt40. As for you Smiley your tracing no doubt comes from somewhere else (probably the old daft Ireland (the modern one is better) but my family has lived here in Scotland for a great many centuries and at least into 6 that are traceable. The Howie monument south of Glasgow and the farmhouse was where the Covenanters hid in the 17th century until William of Orange came and rescued Scots Presbyterians from a pathetic king. Presbyterians are peaceful and certainly not up to disgraceful antics like Muslims. Even younger Muslims from respectable and highly educated families become terror nuts. You are dithering there Smiley whilst this champion of the Reformation is based on long and good solid ground. :happy:
Howie monument
In 1983, to honor Mr. Howie's many years of service and contributions to Riverside County agriculture, the Board of Supervisors dedicated the plaza area outside of the County Administrative Center (CAC) as the Robert M. Howie Citrus Plaza. The plaza consisted of several orange trees and a modest monument briefly describing his contributions to the County.
Good to know that you have a "modest monument". Better than nothing, keep the good work with lemons. Hero. :)
The religion of peace.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsbAba0qLHI
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[glow=blue,2,300]The RJH Monument somewhere West of Glasgow [/glow] (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/biglaugh023.gif)
Would be most interesting to know where tt92's prdeccessors came from before they were shipped to an Aussie penal colony. However meantime he trails back to the Middle Ages as abasis for his limited grey cells. We are talking about modern times Aborigine beater and there is no global religion that equals Islam. Did any of your lineage come from Ireland (second attempt)?
Now, now, Smiley, it is typical of your red neck style to be crude and produce such pictures However on research, I have discovered that item you depict was actually the original for the monument in Washington DC that soldiers (in sun glasses, snigger, snigger) patrol It was fly of you to try that one thinking no-one would discover that matter. tut, tut I know you talk it but dear, oh dear.
For the more grey cell filled heads I give a link (don't you collapse Chicago man) which will show a most impressive series of pictures of the Howei Monument which is SOUTH of Glasgow (ex-colonists are never very good at geography). The link also shows the farmhouse. Such places and far off fields were where ministers held services during the "killing times" of the 17th century. Inside a room is where the Covenater service Bible is along with a flag and drum. And to conclude I remind that the local John Howie wrote a famous book (I have a copy - of course) Tales of The Covenaters. In November 1588 after a secret Presbyterian service at Lochgoin as people were chatting they heard the rumble of horses hooves and thought it was the King's dragoons. Then someone recognised a lone rider on his horse. He onlooker turned to the local Laird and cried "It is okay..it is John Howie hopefully with some news." John pulled up his horse at the crowd and shouted for all to hear "Huzzah, huzzah my friends! Scotland has declared for William of Orange we are free!" So a Howie gave news in 1688 and this one still does the same today. Eat your hearts out...........
ps For an impressive tribute type this - Howie monument Lochgoin :knight:
For the more grey cell filled heads I give a link […]
And -as usual- you don't… Forgotten, like your once facile English, no doubt! :)
HOWIE MONUMENT LOCHGOIN
There are also other links on the same page - www.ayrshirecovenanters.org/ (http://www.ayrshirecovenanters.org/) is one but several others.
As you will see smarty pants it is an impressive obelisk and there is also in the city of Glasgow a Lochgoin Avenue named after the farmhouse and there used by coincidence a Howie family living in that very street. Try not to be too jealous muckle moos.Oh for goodness sake, I better translate that for foreigners. It means big mouths eat your heart out.
I mean no disrespect — but I can't help noting that the land of the Covenanters is now a windfarm… :) (source (http://www.eastrenfrewshire.gov.uk/whitelee-covenanters))
Dear, oh dear. When an ex-colonist is ignorant of something they go back to the infantile side which is always inherent in so many. I do tolerate it because it is a national characteristic for a chunk of the place (thankfully not all).
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Yet another [glow=blue,2,300] 'Peaceful' [/glow]exhibition of love & good will by Islamic Representatives ISIS
......."A Message to the Allies of America" includes what appears to be a threat directed at British Prime Minister David Cameron, news.com.au says. "For being a lapdog, Cameron, you will drag your people into another bloody and unwinnable war," the video warns.
Cameron responded to the video by tweeting: "The murder of David Haines is an act of pure evil. My heart goes out to his family who have shown extraordinary courage and fortitude. ... We will do everything in our power to hunt down these murderers and ensure they face justice, no matter how long it takes."
Cameron has returned to his residence at Downing Street and is expected to chair a meeting of the government's emergency response team Sunday.
Late Saturday, the White House released a statement from Obama in which he says the United States strongly condemns the "barbaric murder" of Haines.
"Our hearts go out to the family of Mr. Haines and to the people of the United Kingdom," the statement reads. "The United States stands shoulder to shoulder tonight with our close friend and ally in grief and resolve.
"We will work with the United Kingdom and a broad coalition of nations from the region and around the world to bring the perpetrators of this outrageous act to justice, and to degrade and destroy this threat to the people of our countries, the region and the world."...............................Continued
Will the Crusades be revisited?
Should they?(https://dndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fimgur.com%2F2rrjeln.jpg&hash=d1a3919f75fa49140d82bd3520816ac5" rel="cached" data-hash="d1a3919f75fa49140d82bd3520816ac5" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://imgur.com/2rrjeln.jpg)
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With apologists like these poor excuses for
'Leaders' running the
'Snake Oil' Side-Show........I sincerely doubt it........
What do you think?
if islam is religion of peace .
Then Why their Extremist , is not extremely Peace ?
I thought wrongly as it turns out that they executed with a long sword like ancient beheading but they don't. When I made a point of following this horror up having previously avoided such films. I got a really physical shock as they do it even more horribly. The poor soul is laid on the ground face down and then the Islamist starts to actually saw round the neck with a knife and takes longer. It is an abhorrent way to kill anyone and it was a group of Christians they were killing. Even more sickening were the other sick minds gathering round with mobile phones to take films. After several seconds i immediately left the link and didn't want any more then sat for several minutes as even that was too much.
When "moderate Muslims" say is not Islamic they are in a difficult position. I say that because the terror wave is all over the world from one end to another and large numbers follow these spiritual maniacs. Having visited the Twin Towers one one of my US visits I still drift back to thinking how I had been at the top of a place so many people had worked in and died. Listening to phone messages from the towers and people jumping off were numbing. There is something deeply flawed in Islam as many of these terror scum are from middle class and comfortable backgrounds. The lass who left university here in my city and disappeared over to the IS attended a very expensive and high class private school leaving her family numbed. She has also sent word back she would like to bring the IS black flag back home to here. Well she better not damn try that.
(https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/cheerskj4.gif) I applaud that well thought out & constructed post, & I whole heatedly agree with all your assertions contained within!
The lass who left university here in my city and disappeared over to the IS attended a very expensive and high class private school leaving her family numbed. She has also sent word back she would like to bring the IS black flag back home to here. Well she better not damn try that.
This is what I just can't understand at all.
How can a Nation, yours, mine, & others accept back with open arms those lowest of scum who fought & murdered so many innocent people out of pure vile hatred, welcome them back to our lands as if they should be somehow welcome, as if it was their right!?
This, knowing full well, that the internal forces that drive them is pure relentless hatred for us & all we love & cherish ---- our friends, our families, our neighbors, our Country, & our basic way of life!!??
How can this be??
Citizens or no, they should be rounded up, tried for treason against humanity, found guilty, & then humanely put to a swift death en mass.
They should never be allowed to breath our good & free air while walking freely amongst us!
Has political correctness & respect for human decency gone truly mad?
In a way you have been fortunate if that is the right word to use being a massively bigger country. Here on this small island it gets more into your face but just the other day there was a passing news item about a small group of Islamic woman in Minnesota think it was planning to take a practical interest in the IS. It is right aross europe as well and the future does not look very encouraging in the long run. Everywhere Islam spreads the antagonists flourish in one way or another. Democracy and such means absolutely nothing as Islam and that thinking do not square very well.Even moderates Muslims will be at stake as well one day.
There is something very fundamentally awry with the Islam religion right from it's start. Last year when speaking at a public rally i got stuck into Islam as being false because how can it's founder be Godly or a dashed prophet of god and marry a 7-year old child then later consummate the marriage?? Things are worse in England than north of the Border here in Scotland but we have an inner city area of Glasgow that looks like Karachi. A young lad of 15 (an RC boy) was visiting a pal there he was kidnapped by a gang of Islamists and tortured for several hours whilst they drove around in a car. Then they dumped his body a few miles away behind the Celtic football social club to die. As he did they poured petrol over him and set him alight. Of course they got jailed but it seems for years they were part of a larger group who caused problems in the district and little was done. Had that been indigenous folk you can bet the police would have arrived and whisked them away. So the moderates have something to answer for and have to be pressed for comment.
Everywhere in the world in your country, mine and everyhwere they grow there is a problem and too many minds have been far too open.
I would go a bit farther than Smiley, believe it or not.
Once you turn against your homeland--- whatever your homeland is, whether the US, the UK, any of the European nations, Russia--- oh, heck, let's throw in the middle Eastern nations too-- when you turn against your homeland and serve the enemy, you should automatically lose citizenship in your former home. Why should this girl that RJH mentions think she has a home in Scotland anymore, when she has joined a group that would cheerfully kill every last one of her former neighbors that didn't convert to this radical form of Islam? She has taken part with the enemy, becoming a traitor even to her own family--- or does she really think her new friends would stop before killing her mother, father, sisters and brothers?
No--- once you leave your home to join a group such as ISIS, your citizenship in your former home should be terminated and you should be considered as the enemy that you've become.
Funny thing: ISIS has gone so far over the top that even Al Qaeda thinks they've gone too far. Now, when you're too radical even for Al Qaeda-----.
It seems a game over there, where groups try to out-radical the radicals to get the most headlines. Hacking off a few Western heads is always good for grabbing the limelight. :knight: :ko:
I would go a bit farther than Smiley, believe it or not......
......once you leave your home to join a group such as ISIS, your citizenship in your former home should be terminated and you should be considered as the enemy that you've become.....
~~ vs. ~~........ Citizens or no, they should be rounded up, tried for treason against humanity, found guilty, & then humanely put to a swift death en mass .........
..... They should never be allowed to breathe our good & free air .........
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Totally agree that they should not be allowed back.
These followers come to civilised countries which tells you something of where they came from! They accept our freedoms, rights, oh and well use the Benefit system of our Welfare State then condemn us as if we were the devil incarnate. They would not have any of the modern and positive circumstances from whence they came of civilised nations but will misuse us. It is a totally false, immature and dangerous religion. That they use what they want when living in the West then hive off to be part of evil and ranting animals is a disgrace and I hope my country which is looking at confiscating passports does it instead of yakking on the matter.
Smiley--- you misunderestimate me. Removing citizenship merely recognizes officially what has already taken place. A person who leaves his home to join ISIS has become a traitor-- removing citizenship recognizes that fact and makes the person "fair game" for whatever we're doing to the rest of ISIS. If the rest of the world finally gets tired of it and decides to exterminate ISIS to the last man--- too bad, so sad, shouldn't have betrayed your homeland if you wanted to live.
ISIS is merely the latest example of course. The same thing applies to those who join any other terrorist group who have sworn themselves to murdering everybody who doesn't subscribe to their beliefs. Make yourself the enemy of your home, don't be surprised if your neighbors get together to put you out of their misery.
Smiley--- you misunderestimate me. Removing citizenship merely recognizes officially what has already taken place. A person who leaves his home to join ISIS has become a traitor-- removing citizenship recognizes that fact and makes the person "fair game" for whatever we're doing to the rest of ISIS. If the rest of the world finally gets tired of it and decides to exterminate ISIS to the last man--- too bad, so sad, shouldn't have betrayed your homeland if you wanted to live.
This seems like a strange concept of citizenship to me. "The homeland giveth citizenship, the homeland taketh it away. May the name of the homeland be blessed!"
For me a different concept of citizenship seems more natural. Citizenship comes with birth and it never leaves the citizen (unless specifically asked to be removed by the citizen, and even then it depends). Some responsibility comes for holding a citizenship of a country. Also the country has responsibilities to its citizens. This is a mutual relationship not to be broken lightly.
This even applies to traitors. The country enacts certain laws that apply to traitors. Even traitors are to be treated according to legal procedure.
The rule of comely behaviour does not apply only to the country's own citizens, but to all people of the world. The person who is not a citizen of this country is a citizen of some other country, and respect to the person shows the country's respect to that other country. Unless the countries are at war, the person deserves ordinary decent treatment.
Is it okay for American authorities to be irresponsible with impunity towards any non-citizen? Is this how Americans view citizenship?
Then again--- it just may be possible---
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Person charged after terror raids allegedly planned to 'behead someone abducted off the street'
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A person charged with serious terrorism-related offences after police raids in Sydney this morning was allegedly planning to abduct a person off the street and film their beheading.
Police have confirmed raids across Sydney this morning thwarted a plan to commit violence against “a member of the public on the streets”.
9NEWS understands the man is accused of plotting to abduct a person off the streets and decapitate them in a manner similar to the recent ISIL beheadings of US and UK citizens in Syria.
The suspect allegedly intended to wrap the body of the victim in an ISIL flag and upload video of the murder online.
Raids were also carried out in Brisbane but police said they weren’t directly linked to the operation in Sydney.
Three people were arrested after over 800 police officers searched 15 homes in north-western Sydney, in a joint AFP and NSW Police counter-terrorism operation called “Operation Appleby”.
Police executed search warrants in Beecroft, Bellavista, Guildford, Merrylands, Northmead, Wentworthville, Marsfield, Westmead, Castle Hill, Revesby, Bass Hill and Regents Park.......................CONTINUED (http://tinyurl.com/m7lslcb)
As I unknowingly predicted, (https://dndsanctuary.eu/index.php?topic=56.msg26912#msg26912) it is now starting ....... are you sure it wont happen in your neck (no pun intended) of the woods?
About how Muslim women don't actually choose to wear a hijab:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/marginoferr/2014/09/18/what-choice-is-a-free-choice-and-why-religion-destroys-the-freedom-of-choice/
Is it okay for American authorities to be irresponsible with impunity towards any non-citizen? Is this how Americans view citizenship?
Two words: Guantanamo Bay.
As I unknowingly predicted, (https://dndsanctuary.eu/index.php?topic=56.msg26912#msg26912) it is now starting ....... are you sure it wont happen in your neck (no pun intended) of the woods?
We've already had Salafistic cretins like Sharia4Belgium and Mohammed B (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Bouyeri) for years.
Since this seems to be the ISIL thread by default:
Sunnis in Iraq Often See Their Government as the Bigger Threat (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/11/world/middleeast/sunni-mistrust-is-major-hurdle-for-new-iraqi-leaders.html?_r=0)
A group of Iraqi Sunni refugees had found shelter in an abandoned school, two families to a room, after fleeing fighters from the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria. They were gathered in the school’s courtyard last week when the Iraqi Air Force bombed them.
The bombing, in Alam District near Tikrit, may well have been a mistake. But some of the survivors believe adamantly that the pilot had to know he was bombing civilians, landing the airstrike “in the middle of all the people,” said Nimr Ghalib, whose wife, three children, sister and nephew were among at least 38 people killed, according to witnesses interviewed last week, as well as human rights workers who detailed the attack on Wednesday.
The attack fit a pattern of often indiscriminate shelling and airstrikes on Sunni areas by the armed forces of the Shiite-led Iraqi government. The strikes have added to a long and bitter list of Sunni grievances, leading many to view the government’s leaders as an enemy — and some to regard the government as an even greater threat than the Sunni extremists in ISIS.
Since this seems to be the ISIL thread by default:
That is wrong, we should change it. I ask you all for thinking about it.
Is it okay for American authorities to be irresponsible with impunity towards any non-citizen? Is this how Americans view citizenship?
Two words: Guantanamo Bay.
And secret prisons hosted by various so-called allies all over the world. My questions were rhetorical anyway.
About how Muslim women don't actually choose to wear a hijab:
There are actual hijab-promoting women in England and France, from what I have heard. Such thing doesn't make sense to me, but it exists. Muslims in the West seem to prefer to enclose themselves in ghettos.
The Baltic countries host Muslims that originate from Tatarstan, Middle Asia, and Caucasus. Those Muslims are a vanishing tiny minority, never too demanding or vocal. No conspicuous cultural traits that would jump on other people. No jihadism or global view of sharia. Basically only racial traits set them apart from the general population.
They wear traditional clothing only at their own weddings and religious clothing at religious gatherings, which are modest, confined to their own homes and clubs. There are no specifically built mosques. This is how Islam looks here. I have an old pastor friend whose best friends are a rabbi and a mufti.
Six Iranians arrested for appearing in a video dancing to Pharrell Williams' song Happy have been sentenced to up to one year in prison and 91 lashes, their lawyer says.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-29272732 (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-29272732)
I don't know what to say. It's old but good news...they were released even though they "hurt public chastity". :o
Just shows how far they ae from freedom and democracy as I have said.Talk about spiritual knuckle-draggers.
Just shows how far they ae from freedom and democracy as I have said.Talk about spiritual knuckle-draggers.
True enough for the ones who run the show and the ones who police the system. Huzzah for the dancer and others who don't play the rules. Christians have been through this sort of madness but for the most part have learned to behave rationally. Except in the American South.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYxeTjrckl0&channel=AgainstTheFlowMedia (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYxeTjrckl0&channel=AgainstTheFlowMedia)
Since this seems to be the ISIL thread by default:
That is wrong, we should change it. I ask you all for thinking about it.
You are right, and I did, so I did (https://dndsanctuary.eu/index.php?topic=511.0).
Thinking back to the word of jseaton2311 about the West only taking special note of the IS when heads came off. I think he should be more honest and say it was when the sad and unfortunate fellow citizens that got chopped the US responded. Islam and democratic principles do not blend together and are a constant mess everywhere. The girl i mentioned and which mjsmsprt40 commented on is not the only young Muslim from a cumfy and monied Muslim family taking up the cudgel. Thus it shows there is a running and deep flaw in what paasses for a religion is a threat to our way of life. Not just for the indigenous but the moderate Muslims as well. With the modern and continuing violent threat everywhere from Islam I have little time for it at all. Methinks I would have a cup of tea and blether with old red socks in Rome. :)
[glow=green,2,300]Obama’s[/glow] [glow=black,2,300]“not Islamic” [/glow][glow=green,2,300]Islamic State claim ridiculed[/glow]
As well it should be. The disconnect between the statements of the administration — and the government and media establishment in general — and reality is increasingly large, and Americans are noticing in increasing numbers. “Obama’s ‘not Islamic’ Islamic State Claim Ridiculed,” IPT News, September 11, 2014.......
........The claim, also made by Obama’s predecessors, is “preposterous,” Daniel Pipes wrote for the National Review Online. “To state the obvious: As non-Muslims and politicians, rather than Muslims and scholars, they are in no position to declare what is Islamic and what is not.”
Author Sam Harris, an atheist who challenges all religions, went further, dismissing Obama’s argument as a “scrim of pretense and delusion.”
“Which will come first, flying cars and vacations to Mars, or a simple acknowledgment that beliefs guide behavior and that certain religious ideas—jihad, martyrdom, blasphemy, apostasy—reliably lead to oppression and murder?” Harris wondered in an essay (http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/sleepwalking-toward-armageddon). “It may be true that no faith teaches people to massacre innocents exactly—but innocence, as the President surely knows, is in the eye of the beholder. Are apostates ‘innocent’? Blasphemers? Polytheists? Islam has the answer, and the answer is ‘no.'”.........................Continued
Does the
'Great Placator' of the Western World's assertions hold true for you?
Is ISIS Islamic, or not?
What do you think?
Yes, it is Islamic, or not.
Thus it shows there is a running and deep flaw in what paasses for a religion is a threat to our way of life. Not just for the indigenous but the moderate Muslims as well. With the modern and continuing violent threat everywhere from Islam I have little time for it at all.
Then why are you casting a blind eye?
Why are they permitted to do what they are doing, & allowed to plan openly the subjugation & overthrow of Britain?
Is it your contention that if you close your mind to Islam's existence long enough, it will all go away, & things will return to what you consider
'normal' ?
Or is it that deep down Britain is petrified of them, & their numbers, & don't want to offend them in fear that they may rise up, & slaughter every British man, woman, & child!?
They will you know........for peaceful coexistence isn't in the Koran.
[VIDEO]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2lWlwveU-0[/VIDEO]
[glow=blue,2,300]Peaceful Coexistence? [/glow]
[VIDEO]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zw3kmptcevI[/VIDEO]
[glow=blue,2,300]Peaceful Coexistence?? [/glow]
What about Peaceful Coexistence --- is it really possible?
Will Islam peacefully accept coexistence, not only in Britain, but anywhere?
What do you think?
I knew about these Islamic head bangers and there was an anti-Islam group who went about in opposition in London. Trouble is that London is no longer indigenous English - they are a minority and hardly surprising that Islamists think they can do what they damn well like. In addition the police should have dealt with them but the so-called liberal mindset is another damnable opportunity for these religious nuts of a false religion think they can do what they like.
As they spread here and in Europe there will be increased friction and there will be a day after us when there will be rivers of blood. As one man interviewed said if they don't like it her let them shove off. Trouble is the isdlam lot are so hypocritical due to milking the Welfare State and Benefits system. The Islamic nut who commented on stopping activities, etc did not include child abuse. Funny that omission as Muslim young gangs have an unenviable record of such right across the north of England especially.
We have never in our traditional British open minds ever had an immigration lot who tried to change society the law or anything else until this bunch of false religion people flooded in. I have no time for them at all and I am too polite to say where they should put their Shariah law nonsense. And anyway they should be arrested for trying to introduce a different legal system. Everywhere there is a large number of them equally we get trouble, social breakdowns, terrorism threats and so on. Anyway Islam and democracy as I forthrightly state are incompatible. Moderates are just too afraid to admit and although i have always loved my country I am selfishly glad i will not be here in 3000AD. Those indigenous being born in the near future will be saying goodbye to the country and europe by the winter of their years.
.......Moderates are just too afraid to admit and although i have always loved my country I am selfishly glad i will not be here in 3000AD. Those indigenous being born in the near future will be saying goodbye to the country and europe by the winter of their years.
3000AD? ....... 2050AD it will all be long over, one way or the another.
Either they will have been victorious, or eradicated........,every man, woman, & child.
I seriously, & unfortunately, doubt there will be any middle ground.
3000AD? ....... 2050AD it will all be long over, one way or the another.
My guess is 2030.
I wonder if that is what rj meant.
Anyway Islam and democracy as I forthrightly state are incompatible. Moderates are just too afraid to admit and although i have always loved my country I am selfishly glad i will not be here in 3000AD. Those indigenous being born in the near future will be saying goodbye to the country and europe by the winter of their years.
1. Not every Muslim is a head shearing terrorist.
2. I know about loving a wife. I know how to love my children. I have no idea what it means to love a country.
3. What will the world look like in a thousand years? A thousand years ago the
Vikings, Moors, and barbarians battled kings and popes for the fate of Europe.
As the millennium approached, Europeans feared the world would end. The old order was crumbling, and terrifying and confusing new ideas were gaining hold in the populace. Random and horrific violence seemed to sprout everywhere without warning, and without apparent remedy. And, in fact, when the millennium arrived the apocalypse did take place; a world did end, and a new world arose from the ruins.
What I do know is that Christians have done horrific things both when urged on their leaders and unbidden by anybody.
Sorry to spoil you open mid spot there jimbro but we are living in a hgihly scientific, modern and sophisticated world nut hundreds of years ago. Yet these spiritual nuts are still at it and even more so. I have as it happens in the past given reference to 'moderate Muslims' but thir is something more flawed in a religion made up by a self proclaimed prophet marrying a child then consummating the marriage. Going back to more elementary times is not a definitive argument at all. Having a leader who was a child molester and giving it credence is something else. The religion that has increased and caused continuing disturbance in modern times is Islam and is increasing all the time.
Many perfectly sensible people can love a country of course although the over the top ones are beyond comprehension certainly. Moderate Muslims I can just tolerate but as their population increases so too do the apartheid areas, trouble, friction, demands and exporting terrorists. In Europe and here we they are nearer the hellholes they want to go and fight for (?) there is a bigger problem so easy far away to be intellectually considerate.
I'm not that open-minded. What to do about this kind of thing? Damned if I know, but I know that airstrikes won't work. Scottish boots on the ground? Republicans are calling for boots, but only when the boots aren't ours.
http://news.yahoo.com/islamic-state-beheads-seven-men-three-women-syria-105543773.html (http://news.yahoo.com/islamic-state-beheads-seven-men-three-women-syria-105543773.html)
BEIRUT (Reuters) - Islamic State beheaded seven men and three women in a northern Kurdish area of Syria, a human rights monitoring group said on Wednesday, part of what it described as a campaign to frighten residents resisting the militant group's advance.
.......Moderate Muslims I can just tolerate but as their population increases so too do the apartheid areas, trouble, friction, demands and exporting terrorists. In Europe and here we they are nearer the hellholes they want to go and fight for (?) there is a bigger problem so easy far away to be intellectually considerate.
IMHO the problem lies with national policy,
when [glow=red,2,300]
Multiculturalism [/glow] is being stressed over [glow=blue,2,300]
Cultural Assimilation. [/glow]
See Here...... (https://dndsanctuary.eu/index.php?topic=513.0)
Well the overpaid head of our Equalities Commission (a government agency and he is not indigenous by the way) has openly said that multiculturalism doesn't work - as you will know over there across the pond too. As for boots on the ground stuff jimbro the only boots in the IS horror should be Muslim boots. Kind of rich in a way as some terrorist groups are funded by close Arab allies of the West. We should never have got involved in Iraq nor dismissed the original Iraqi Army or got into the Libya quagmire either. All we do is make the damn thing worse and give the Islam nut side more recruits.
All we do is make the damn thing worse and give the Islam nut side more recruits.
:up:
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I just happened upon this video clip. If it doesn't disgust you nothing will.
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1ZbHckg0FM#t=33[/video]
That's… odd. Some kind of piñata? (Which is also odd. :P)
Yes that was utterly disgusting and siceking and "acceptable". It is a cobbled together religion by a founder who was a child molester and how they can make a principle or divine thing out of that is beyond sense.
The other thing to take note of is time after time it is Muslims who are educated - students and such. When Scotland got it's first terrorist incident at Glasgow Airport. One of the two maniacs who drove a car into the booking area and then it was alight was doctor! So much for the Hippocratic oath, eh? One die amnnd the other caught when a down to earth Glasgow airport worker decked him with a punch. It would be bad enough if it was all people who were bottom of the academic pile but repeatedly that is NOT the case. We are getting a number of Islamist caught preparing things and the latest had got one of Tony Blair's addresses and also had planned an attack on a Territorial (volunteer part-time and paid army salaries on duty) army base and a police station planned for attack.
With tens of millions of Islam religionists across Europe and mushrooming on this island heaven help future generations of people in both places. That link by Jimbro illustrates very well the idiocy of Islam and everywhere they flood in they bring this un-civilised behaviour. Relgion of peace and purpose? Don't make me laugh it is a danger everywhere.
[glow=black,2,300]Islamic State Jihadis target British police officers inside the UK[/glow]
All the appeasement, all the pandering, all the praise of the Qur’an and Islam, all the covering up of crimes done by Muslims in accord with Sharia directives, and what do British authorities have to show for it? This. One would think that Britain’s peaceful Muslims, overflowing with gratitude to Cameron and May, would be working around the clock to stop this kind of thing. But instead — this..............[glow=blue,2,300]Continued [/glow][/i] (http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/10/islamic-state-jihadis-target-british-police-officers-inside-the-uk)
[VIDEO]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5G2rmSP0iI[/VIDEO]
Basically given the [glow=red,2,300]
'Keys to the City' [/glow] by the government, with virtually total immunity & self-determination [glow=green,2,300]
(Multiculturalism),[/glow] what do you expect!!??
How can this be turned around?
Or, is it too late??
We need to know what Islam really is & what Islam intends for the Western World.
[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgsrnmzxEUY[/VIDEO]
This is a much longer video, but you will find it shockingly full of facts about Islam. We need to know what Islam truly is if we are to protect ourselves.
[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mllMkm8pcVU[/VIDEO]
What it intends is to take it over. When you see constant attacks across Europe it shows the falseness of a religion founded by a child molester and claiming he is a prophet of God? These headbangers use Western policies elsewhere as an excuse which illustrates their failure to work with the idea of democracy which is not possible. Ordinary sensible others are brainy enough to use the political process. Sometime later this century the West especially Europe will slip into a terrible and very bloody mess.
Europe will slip into a terrible and very bloody mess
pardon ..
not sure if their Propagandas Works , or you Sir is just always in Panic Mode .
fyi , it is the Very basic of Every Propaganda ---> Appeal to Emotion .
if thou Panic
( Thingking something bad will happen ) , it mean they are Win .
and yes , Deal With Bigotry and Zealotry sometimes is awkward .
Since some little shit language Differences will causing Chaos .
In example :
Good ---> Wrong
Khair ---> Right
Constitution ---> Wrong
Sharia --> Right
both of them are have the same Meaning .
On the other hand , Most of people are More liked to Hear Lies .
not to mention There is no Religion that genuinely Free From Politic.
Whatever else, here's a word from a Yank-- yeah, I found this on Reddit, occasionally they get something right. My European friends-- pay attention:
(https://i.imgflip.com/g4a8g.jpg)
Here in the States, we seem to be doing the wrong thing. Signing away our rights that our forefathers fought and died for in the hope that we'll get some sort of security. We end up not being one bit more secure than we were before, but we're considerably less free than we used to be.
Signing away our rights that our forefathers fought and died for in the hope that we'll get some sort of security. We end up not being one bit more secure than we were before, but we're considerably less free than we used to be.
Can you be more specific? Examples?
Here's one of the many posts collecting an overview of the responses to yesterday's massacre: http://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2015/01/07/he-drew-first-cartoonisten-en-hun-steunbetuiging-voor-charliehebdo/
Signing away our rights that our forefathers fought and died for in the hope that we'll get some sort of security. We end up not being one bit more secure than we were before, but we're considerably less free than we used to be.
Can you be more specific? Examples?
Been to an airport recently? The TSA is famous for trampling people's rights against unwarranted search and seizure, while providing only show security.
[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Qdb6wC0Iz4[/video]
Must say mjsmsprt40 that picture could well be applicable to your own corner and not just Europe. With so many spy agencies watching you all, phone, computers and everything whilst in the name of security needs a mention. The tradition just to use that word and cause panic amongst the emotional traits there. You have over 400 global bases(and rising) using the word again and have them on the Moon and Mars for "security! :lol:
Must say mjsmsprt40 that picture could well be applicable to your own corner and not just Europe. With so many spy agencies watching you all, phone, computers and everything whilst in the name of security needs a mention. The tradition just to use that word and cause panic amongst the emotional traits there. You have over 400 global bases(and rising) using the word again and have them on the Moon and Mars for "security! :lol:
RJ, maybe I'll give you a break--- this time-- for not knowing. That TSA bit is---- one of the alphabet-soup organizations that spy on us constantly, or at least any time we want to board a commercial airline to fly anywhere. "Transportation Safety Administration", or TSA for short. Low-paid security whose primary job seems to be to hassle little old ladies and toddlers (gotta watch that two-year-old, might be a terrorist in disguise) while ignoring completely the very people they should be watching.
Not only are these guys spying--- they're not even very good at it. Shameful.
Edit; add-on: It occurs to me that you just might be referring to the post with the eagle in it. You didn't see the add-on info at Reddit and apparently didn't read what I wrote below that image. If you HAD read what I wrote, you just might have reconsidered your own post...... OK, just a thought.
Usual ex-colonial bodyswerving and patter to emphasise it so neat try Chicagoan. You STILL have too many spy agencies costing you heps for what? They all check each other as well I bet you. It is all for the word I refer to - "security." It shows how emotional you lot are you can be warped into so many agencies and bases everywhere under the same word. Don't ever relax however on it because your military corporate industry needs it! Just a thought on the obvious.
Now ain't that just something. So intent on hammering America and Americans every chance you get that you can't even be bothered to read what you responded to.
I know it's hard, but you could at least try. But maybe it's too hard to see the screen when you've got a rafter in your eye?
Rafter? I thought it was mote, but what did Matthew know?
Rj is fixated on his biases. I like the man but not his obsessive rants. Too much harping Rj.
The mote is what he was trying to remove from our eyes. Blasted rafter keeps interfering though.
Boko Haram, the extremist Islamic group that wants to enforce Sharia Law across Nigeria, has inflicted mass casualties in northeast Nigeria. Some reports put the number of fatalities as high as 2,000.
Amnesty International, communicating with experts on the ground in Nigeria, has said the assault on the town of Baga could be the deadliest attack by Boko Haram since the extremist group surfaced in 2009.
“The attack on Baga and surrounding towns looks as if it could be Boko Haram’s deadliest act in a catalogue of increasingly heinous attacks carried out by the group,” said Daniel Eyre, Nigeria researcher for Amnesty International.
Amnesty International has quoted some sources that say the town has been razed, with as many as 2,000 people killed. If true, that would mark a “disturbing and bloody escalation of Boko Haram’s ongoing onslaught against the civilian population,” Eyre added.,,,,,,continued
Some religion of peace ........ men, women, children, elderly slaughtered all in the name of Allah, following the example of a bogus prophet.
All prophets are bogus unless they get one occasionally by luck.
Somebody here prophesy the outcome tomorrow's BCS bowl. There are only two probable outcomes, OSU or Oregon, unless mjmsprt40's watermelon catastrophe happens.
The winner will get a one month cruise on SmileyFaze's yacht, hotties included.
.........The winner will get a one month cruise on SmileyFaze's yacht, hotties included.
(https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/captianboat.gif)
Welcome aboard, but it will only be for 2 weeks.
I never spend that much time at sea, & only rent the yacht for 14 days max. (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/cheerskj4.gif)
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Sad then jimbro what with your luck running out?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgsrnmzxEUY
1. Muddled. 2. Trueish. 3. False.
A typical would be liberal mindset and thus blind answer from you jax. :down:
A typical would be liberal mindset and thus blind answer from you jax. :down:
So how are you and your Muslim neighbor getting along the days? ???
Considering I have none anywhere near me I do hope my immediate neighbourhood stays the same. All god Prots and one pleasant elderly RC woman. Happy with that! And don't you laugh boy when you consider how many Muslims there were and how they have multiplied you have seen nothing yet. In fact I wll add this. Your political system is already being effected by Hispanics and company isn't it? The imports will THIS century be the majority in the US and when the Muslims keep multiplying as they do Europe will no longer be a distant look but your own doors.
If a nation wishes to maintain it's hegemony and traditions it needs something like 2.4 children. That no longer exists in Europe nor in Great Britain but when you look at the Muslim birthrate it is whopping and growing at some speed. a number of European countries will have at least half and more citizens who are from Islam and will happen in the US too this century. When they get to over the 50% I tell you that all hell will eventually break out and it will not just be placards and shouting and odd throwing things it will be more violent. The proportion of extremists will grow in proportion to the general Islam increase fuelling the fire.
Religion of peace? Of course for some that's true, but for the outsider renegades a religion of disgusting animals.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/world/66728558/With-sledgehammer-Islamic-State-smashes-Iraqi-history (http://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/world/66728558/With-sledgehammer-Islamic-State-smashes-Iraqi-history)
Yes noticed that in a newspaper item and kind of says it all.
a religion of disgusting animals.
That remembers me something...
Saxons? Protestants? Atheists? American Bible Belt? Reformed English teachers?
Oh, sorry... course not, it has to be those that put the above shaking with fear... those are the animals, never the above ones.
How interesting how protestants and atheists reacts when foreseeing being beheaded. Cowards.
Religion of peace? Of course for some that's true, but for the outsider renegades a religion of disgusting animals.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/world/66728558/With-sledgehammer-Islamic-State-smashes-Iraqi-history (http://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/world/66728558/With-sledgehammer-Islamic-State-smashes-Iraqi-history)
Islam is five hundred years behind the West, but this destruction is not even part of a Reformation. It is ignorance, inferiority, envy, and barbarism.
Come to think of it, so was the destruction that accompanied the Western Reformation.
Islam is five hundred years behind the West, but this destruction is not even part of a Reformation. It is ignorance, inferiority, envy, and barbarism.
Come to think of it, so was the destruction that accompanied the Western Reformation.
You see well. Six hundred years behind, that makes them equal to someone of the fourteen century but with cellphones, toyota vans, explosives and youtube. A lethal combination.
Glad they
are not and
do not represent Islam.
Might be behind the West but little sign of positive progress and don't discuss democracy too much with them.
(https://www.smileyfaze.tk/smileys/ninja.png) Barack Hussein Obama (
عليه السلام) says that Terrorism is not an Existential Threat to Peace or Mankind.
(https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/smokindope002.gif) (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/snapoutofit.gif) Believe that & you've been smokin' the same drugs Barack
does did! (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/dopedoinlines01.gif)
[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLgOH-cS8SU#[/VIDEO]
How in your mind do you come to the conclusion that terrorism could be an "Existential Threat to Peace or Mankind"?
Terrorism can be an annoyance, sure, a problem as well, and a menace in the worst afflicted areas. In those areas terrorism and other destabilisation could put society over the brink. But for "Mankind" terrorism is unlikely to make the top 100 list of existential threats.
No, the IS isn't a real threat, neither for mankind nor for the world.
Some lunatics on Toyota pick-up trucks armed with mashine guns conquering the world?
Wonder how many idiots see this as a feasible scenario?
The real threat comes from the state that wages wars in breach of international law, destabilizing entire regions to push its geo-strategic agenda.
Iraq, Libya and meddling in Syria lately. It's called "reshaping the Middle East" aka get rid of governments that don't obey the Hegemon.
The IS is only the ugly face of power vacuum as a result of such interventions.
'Everlasting' new military bases in the region build up by the Hegemon will 'solve' the problem and serve the geo-strategic agenda.
The IS is only the ugly face of power vacuum as a result of such interventions.
I partially agree.
They're indeed a result of such interventions, but they exist because such interventions wants them to exist with the characteristics they have. In other words they're not the result of power vacuum but a deliberate result. They are what someone wants them to be.
Half of them have to be informants for at least a dozen secret services and that includes probably their leaders.
i live in the country where the Muslim is the majority .
also the most biggest numbers in the world .
and it have some unique patterns .
--Abrahamic Stream will Double Quadrat ( 22) Insanity .
--Lunaticians aint stop until the People Follow their Way( By force if needed) , even their way is Scientifically proven Wrong .
on the other hand , i think... in any land
Topics about religion is undead .
??
I certainly won't blame all of Islamic people for this tragedy, but hope that people in the region will eventually do something to stop these uncivilized barbarians.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/07/world/middleeast/isis-bulldozing-of-ancient-nimrud-site-in-iraq-stirs-outrage.html?ref=world (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/07/world/middleeast/isis-bulldozing-of-ancient-nimrud-site-in-iraq-stirs-outrage.html?ref=world)
(https://dndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic01.nyt.com%2Fimages%2F2015%2F02%2F28%2Fworld%2F28MOSUL%2F28MOSUL-articleLarge.jpg&hash=b880c1fdfe1426357b9129a4c42d7974" rel="cached" data-hash="b880c1fdfe1426357b9129a4c42d7974" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://static01.nyt.com/images/2015/02/28/world/28MOSUL/28MOSUL-articleLarge.jpg)
TIME magazine has two opinion pieces, one arguing that the West (the U.S.) should send in ground troops and one arguing against it.
It would be much simpler just to poison the wells.
poison
[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxhgW-zqWho[/video]
[glow=black,2,300]Afghan soldier shoots, wounds 3 US troops in insider attack[/glow]
These “green-on-blue” murders keep happening because there is no reliable way to distinguish an Afghan Muslim who supports American troops from one who wants to murder them, and political correctness prevents authorities from making any attempt to do so anyway because it would suggest that Islam is not a religion of peace.........continued
Madness, pure madness.
These troops need not have been put in harms way, but being that they were the powers that be are saying we can't keep them safe or protect them because doing so might offend some Muslims!!??
What do you think about this latest edition of Obama's policy of
"POLITICAL CORRECTNESS"?Does he honestly (stop laughin') think this will keep our enemies
'peaceful'?
[VIDEO]https://youtu.be/763X2-MCt-A[/VIDEO]
American Citizens were having a peaceful drawing contest behind closed doors. There comes 2 jihadists determined to martyr themselves all because these American Citizens were expressing their Freedom of Speech by drawing "Cartoons" about Mohammud.
What do you think?
Ignorance and intolerance combine with stupidity to make a world-wide religion hated… Most Muslims, I suspect, have no interest in a new caliphate, nor do they want to wage Holy Jihad™… They want to live their lives as peaceably and profitably as anyone else.
But the stupid are brazen and bold.
Not so very long ago (a few thousand years ago…) they would have been exterminated.
Not so very far from now, they may be…
Unfortunate or not, the cultist Islamists may be decimated soon. They've gone far beyond their remit.
They are what they are.
The oddity about this matter is that in the early days of Islam they DID have pictures of the child molester. So no surprise that here we do have a big problem with Muslim grooming gangs and they tend to be of Pakistani origin. Wonder where they got that idea from, eh??
Who knows, Rj. Take a look at this site.
http://www.zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/book_illos/ (http://www.zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/book_illos/)
(https://dndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zombietime.com%2Fmohammed_image_archive%2Fbook_illos%2FF24426e.jpg&hash=2e4a27504ba7a2a7e9fc14876e05af14" rel="cached" data-hash="2e4a27504ba7a2a7e9fc14876e05af14" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://www.zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/book_illos/F24426e.jpg)
That's from 1719.
Yes interesting as are sights on the 3dr Reich, Soviet woes and such. Muslims tend to ignore that fact that many centuries ago even before these things that pictures of the child molesting founder were routine.
They want to live their lives as peaceably and profitably as anyone else.
There are over 640,000,000 muslims who think the United States somewhat deserved 9/11, what the f*ck are you talking about peaceable? You almost had me fooled that you knew something about something. :knight: :cheers:
I have to say you hit the nail on the head with that reply to Oakdale. International terrorism is everywhere on Earth and the champion practicer is none other than Islam. How that cannot be seen is head shaking but maybe he didn't manage to keep a glass away to be able to think.
How does this strike you, folks?
Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz. ..[said].. he would like to see more of an American ground presence in the fight against ISIS.
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For a little light reading, try this.
http://muhammadanism.com/Bush/bush_mohammed.pdf (http://muhammadanism.com/Bush/bush_mohammed.pdf)
There's something about Republicans that I just can't put in to polite terms.
Now it's Jeb Bush...
Fox News’ Megyn Kelly asked if he would have invaded Iraq in 2003 “knowing what we know now” — that U.S. intelligence proved to be faulty and Saddam Hussein didn’t have weapons of mass destruction. Yes, he replied.
I do feel for Americans that McCain is one of them. He is infantile, looks silly and talks it. Fits well into the Republican mindset.
[glow=black,2,300]Let's Play ....... Spot the Terrorist[/glow]
(https://dndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jihadwatch.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F07%2FAbdulazeez-family.jpg&hash=e37181c5d3c039c3bae557829d68d22a" rel="cached" data-hash="e37181c5d3c039c3bae557829d68d22a" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://www.jihadwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Abdulazeez-family.jpg)
What about adding faces from the Pentagon as they have supported many a terrorist pattern.
There's a problem with your photo, Smiley. As it is, you can't prove that you didn't just slander a family who did nothing-- and had nothing planned to do-- to you.
Of course any one of them could be a terrorist. Or they could be just a family on vacation.
For that matter, we have our own home-grown terrorists. Take a photo of an American Midwest family on vacation at a tourist spot. Any family will do. See if you can spot the terrorist.
[glow=black,2,300]Let's Play ....... Spot the Terrorist[/glow]
(https://dndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jihadwatch.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F07%2FAbdulazeez-family.jpg&hash=e37181c5d3c039c3bae557829d68d22a" rel="cached" data-hash="e37181c5d3c039c3bae557829d68d22a" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://www.jihadwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Abdulazeez-family.jpg)
[glow=black,2,300]Terrorist Correctly Spotted![/glow]
(https://dndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fimagizer.imageshack.com%2Fimg540%2F5779%2F3KtbrC.png&hash=89af601a351b4dc7e033e402a3173f90" rel="cached" data-hash="89af601a351b4dc7e033e402a3173f90" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://imagizer.imageshack.com/img540/5779/3KtbrC.png)
Ha, ha. :D