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Makes me wonder why so much is spent in vast massive sums to send rockets all into the Universe and even some would-be experts musing on getting us to places like Mars. What a load of cobblers and not much real point to the general people who live on Earth.

send rockets all into the Universe

These are the voyages..?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhMEKiIb86I

The main point is the vast amounts of money being pent on all this Universe guff. Not as if people have somewhere to rocket off to and anyway most places a waste f damn time. Talk about people being brained.  :down:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaWM-hMPUx8

You'll be okay as you know mental health is free on the NHS.

So... the United Emirates beated China and USA and their space probe arrived first to Mars (https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-55998848).

Welldone. Yes, I know it is not a race... but it is.

The Chinese is timed neatly for the Spring festival. The year of the metal rat is ending, and we're now entering a metal bullish year.

(https://miro.medium.com/max/875/1*w4oTZwDqtGu8OARczvSvOA.jpeg)

Metal rules.  :headbang:

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA6ppby3JC8[/video]

Meanwhile @ SpaceX

Here is a more complete video of the landing. It was a blast. As it has been every time.

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIZOcsu8tWk[/video]

Meanwhile @ SpaceX

Meanwhile in my brain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKKVoR1X5lM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlbhFyVXnro

The sense of deja vu is strong. I did link to my Back to the Space Age (https://jaxroam.medium.com/the-future-history-of-the-expanse-eb474d991268?source=friends_link&sk=c687bd0e2d4def3f4b84718b5c33cf30) piece in another thread, but I guess a rerun is better than an also-ran. (Speaking of media nostalgia, I guess I should watch For All Mankind, but haven't gotten around to it yet.)

Mr Elon Musk sent a Tesla car to  space orbiting the earth, wasn't it? He thinks space to be his personal trash can vanity.
Space is not his property, as that idiot seems to think.
Hope all his rockets explode. Beautiful.

Hope all his rockets explode. Beautiful.

Thus far most of them have exploded. It is on track.

The sense of deja vu is strong. I did link to my Back to the Space Age (https://jaxroam.medium.com/the-future-history-of-the-expanse-eb474d991268?source=friends_link&sk=c687bd0e2d4def3f4b84718b5c33cf30) piece in another thread, but I guess a rerun is better than an also-ran. (Speaking of media nostalgia, I guess I should watch For All Mankind, but haven't gotten around to it yet.)

Incidentally:

Base orbiting Jupiter moon and Venus (or on Venus, if story written early 60s or before)

That applies to my favorite piece of Dutch sci-fi, see http://www.letterenfonds.nl/nl/boek/824/torenhoog-en-mijlen-breed

You really can't ask more out of the Starship Program. Just when you think you've seen it blow up all the ways, they land one on fire and then it explodes. Pretty much Kerbal Space Program irl.

Mr Elon Musk sent a Tesla car to  space orbiting the earth, wasn't it?

It's in orbit of the Sun. Seems like they said it passes close to Mars too, sometimes, so probably an elliptical orbit between Earth and Mars.

space is still a waste of time and vast money showing that too many folk have not grown up.

Elon Musk blows stuff up in the name of science and progress. These are good causes.

Spending billions on floating about space and no practical living in planets is a total waste of dashed money and shows how folk can be brained.

I guess I can understand your problem with governments spending, but what's your problem with how billionaires spend their money?

Elon Musk is hardly spending his own money. Like with every good CEO, his most important function is fundraiser. He attracts investment (i.e. creates hype) to a project and that's the money that gets spent. Government money might be among there, might not. Some of Musk's own money might be spent in projects that he really believes in, but I don't think he really believes in any of the projects he is famous for.

I watched Elon Musk's appearance on Joe Rogan show. At one point, Joe Rogan asked something like "But how did you get the licence for digging the tunnel under LA?" and Elon Musk looked at him confused, as if puzzled "Licence for digging? What's that?" He did not answer the question. He might have been already pre-confused for the entire day. It was the show when they did weed on camera.

 I just hope they name one Enterprise. So we can legit say The Starship Enterprise. :spock:


Edit: This last launch was lackluster, huh? I haven't got to see one blow up mid air. Missed opportunity.

It was the show when they did weed on camera.

And to provide silly talking-points to flat-earthers, cynical greenies, an' a certain Scot whose name we won't mention! But, ersi, riddle me this: Was the "discovery" of America less a feat and fortuitous boon because Isabella finance it? :)
To speak to your specific point: Securing the tunneling rights beneath LaLa (eh? you say!?) is a political matter. Some builders are oblivious; some are adept. (You thought Trump was the naif who got the job -candidate, then presidency- by bluster and buffoonery?
That tells me you've had too much schoolin' an' too little learning! Or -at best- the mix was too uneven, and your list is noticeable...

Thanks for recommending Aristotle on politics to me! Them Attics and others of their time (cellar hiders, maybe?) did wonders: Surely something can learned from their experience and example; some of their schemes secured peace and prosperity for nigh onto a generation!
The United States stands -at my studied urging- ready to faint, in awe... Shucks! :)

Quote from: ersi on 2021-03-30, 11:52:49

It was the show when they did weed on camera.

And to provide silly talking-points to flat-earthers, cynical greenies, an' a certain Scot whose name we won't mention! But, ersi, riddle me this: Was the "discovery" of America less a feat and fortuitous boon because Isabella finance it? :)

Elon Musk is not discovering anything. The entire latter half of last century was the space age. Space has already been discovered and all the relevant technology has been invented. Musk's Spacex is deploying the existing technology and calling it invention and discovery.

(You thought Trump was the naif who got the job -candidate, then presidency- by bluster and buffoonery?

Yes, Trump bluffed himself to the presidency. Bluster and buffoonery is his style of managing anything and everything. Putin's army of hackers helped a bit too, which might have been the tipping point.

These facts are not worrying by themselves. Rather, it is worrying that in USA such behaviour goes completely unpunished.

Same with Musk. It should have been somebody's job in his team to secure the licences to start drilling the city's underground. Well, breaches in the area of construction - particularly including outrageous breaches - go mostly unpunished here too.

Why do you seem like a fan of Musk? He is not even American.

Thanks for recommending Aristotle on politics to me!

There are those who assume that Ἀθηναίων πολιτεία is misattributed to Aristotle. I am solidly in that camp. I don't like anything written by Aristotle, but I like that book very much, so I'm sure it is not by Aristotle.

Elon Musk is not discovering anything. The entire latter half of last century was the space age. Space has already been discovered and all the relevant technology has been invented.

Neither -really- did Columbus... Certainly, not Isabella nor Spain, either! :)
Musk "discovered" how to get teams of engineers to pursue a technological advance only commonplace in pulp fiction: Re-usable, self-returning boosters. The damn things flip during descent and safely (usually :) sit their ass fins down on dry (relatively) land! Do you have any idea of the cost savings that single advance will net? And the rebirth of inspiration the sight of such, "live and direct" as Edison Carter used to say (TV show, Max Headroom...) might instil. You surely don't mean to tell me that America's space program wasn't anemic at best, sclerotic and feeble at worst, before SpaceX? Hell, we had to pay the Russians to ferry our astronauts to ISS; and we'd been using the Russian-made Atlas boosters for everything less than military hush-hush missions since our "space detente" in the '80s... The dream of space had become just a jumble of pastel promises put on editorial whiteboards beside all the black-and-white bad news (...in living color, of course!)!
It's true that NASA continued good work, with robotics and long-term probes... Which the public just wasn't excited by. John Q. and Ivan D. no longer cared. In the smaller democracies (...please, let's not quibble over that terminology), I'd bet Howie's attitude is the most prevalent one:
"I've got my telly, but the shows are no good because Gov.fu wastes so much money on egghead's dreams. I could eat better, if we  never "explored" beyond the tip of our noses, mate! And the fools who risk their lives to go -- essentially nowhere, take money that could have paid for my retirement..." is what you hear from un-interested people. And politicians who dream big things are relegated to the Also-Rans category, accomplishing never more than pyric programs like the Space Shuttle...
Even people who know better shrug off the chance of EMP-calamity, knowing less than 1 trillion $ U.S, would obviate the dangers of another Carrington Event, let alone a malicious nuke attack from a belligerent bad-guy country.
I'm tired. And you're too young to be such a cynic, my friend...

I don't like anything written by Aristotle, but I like that book very much, so I'm sure it is not by Aristotle.

:) You used to sing a different tune! (Have you accepted the Frege/Pierce modern logic of quantification at last? Whence came syllogism? :)
I'll agree he (Aristotle) was wrong about almost everything he wrote about. Like his teacher before him, he was a mediocre student. (Oh, if only Socrates had refused the hemlock and avoided his kangaroo court date! Think of all the pomposity and stubborn wrongheadedness he might have pilloried as an itinerant gadfly!?
But no. A systematizer (Plato-the Sourpuss) took up Ethics and -the gods help us!- epistemology and even ontology! (Luckily for some, he'd not forgot his childhood tales of Atlantis! :) )
Your reasoning above requires a universe of discourse severely limited -- by what your schoolmaster gave you to work with...  Where -if anywhere-would your sense of adventure take you, if only you'd let it?
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Did you ever read C. Northcote Parkinson's book on political science via history? I know I recommended it to you... (Since the book was never translated -form plain English to academic gobbledygook- it might be hard to find: Let me know, huh?

Do you have any idea of the cost savings that single advance will net?

Space Shuttles have been tried. It turned out "pyric" as you say.

For dense usage of near-earth rockets, there needs to be a market somewhere for cargo and public transportation that airplanes cannot fill. The rockets should provide at least a significant load or speed or maintenance advantage. They are not providing any of it.

Electric cars are not properly taking off either. They are good only for short distances, and luckily for them, most driving is over short distances. Over longer distances, where you need to refill, combustion engines are still much better - refill in minutes and continue.

Somehow the awesome Tesla engineers have not even come up with the idea that the electric car batteries could be removable: Arrive at the refill station, give away your empty batteries, put new charged batteries in the car and continue. It would be somewhat faster, I suppose. If not, then electric cars can only survive by forcing them by regulation.

Overall the entire idea of electric cars as eco-friendly is misguided. To be eco-friendly, we absolutely do not need more cars. We need to drastically reduce the number of cars.

And you're too young to be such a cynic, my friend...

I'm older than Emacs!

Quote from: ersi on 2021-03-31, 23:02:21

I don't like anything written by Aristotle, but I like that book very much, so I'm sure it is not by Aristotle.

:) You used to sing a different tune! (Have you accepted the Frege/Pierce modern logic of quantification at last? Whence came syllogism? :)

Aristotle can be credited with formulating the syllogism, but valid deductive reasoning definitely precedes him. Quantification is secondary and rests the syllogism.

I have heard that in Bangladesh people have lots of respect for Vivekananda, but hardly any respect for Ramakrishna. I wonder what they make of the fact that Ramakrishna was Vivekananda's guru, not the other way.

Did you ever read C. Northcote Parkinson's book on political science via history? I know I recommended it to you... (Since the book was never translated -form plain English to academic gobbledygook- it might be hard to find: Let me know, huh?

First read what's easily available online. Of course exercise your discernment to find what is valuable.

Somehow the awesome Tesla engineers have not even come up with the idea that the electric car batteries could be removable: Arrive at the refill station, give away your empty batteries, put new charged batteries in the car and continue. It would be somewhat faster, I suppose. If not, then electric cars can only survive by forcing them by regulation.

I imagine it's very much a matter of cost of some sort. The concept is beyond obvious after all.

Yes, the concept is obvious, and the benefits for the consumer are obvious. Yet e.g. in mobile phones the development was to make batteries non-removable precisely to make things worse for everybody. It's the way progress works.

I know Howie is talking about the Space Force, but cryptocurrency investments are doing quite well right now.

How I regret not accepting those 20 Bitcoin that kindly Scot I met at a party offered me back in 2011. :(

Quote from: ersi on 2021-04-01, 10:26:16

Somehow the awesome Tesla engineers have not even come up with the idea that the electric car batteries could be removable: Arrive at the refill station, give away your empty batteries, put new charged batteries in the car and continue. It would be somewhat faster, I suppose. If not, then electric cars can only survive by forcing them by regulation.

I imagine it's very much a matter of cost of some sort. The concept is beyond obvious after all.

Two (or three) worlds

The initial attraction of Tesla, presumably what attracted Musk to join Tesla in the first placce, was the faster, smoother sports car. The electrical motor is superior to the combustion engine, but the battery is an inferior energy store.

Nio was not the first Chinese company with swappable batteries. I trace that evolution back to this beauty:

Spotted in China: Xiaoshuidi Electric Vehicle (https://carnewschina.com/2010/08/26/spotted-in-china-xiaoshuidi-electric-vehicle/)

(https://carnewschina.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/xiaoshuidi-ev-1.jpg)

Not the first electric car by any means, but one of the prettiest. The goal was obviously not a sleek sports car, but a way to get where you want cheaply. Crucially it was powered by a good old (and cheap) lead acid car battery, and those batteries are standardised, and thus swappable. 

There were earlier pioneers, like the Norwegian Pivco/Think Global (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_Global), that preceded either by a decade. Neither sleek nor cheap, but environmentally conscious, it never achieved commercial success.


(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/82/Pivco_PIV3_2.jpg)

That car was basically a driving battery. In that regards it reminds me of the Scania NXT concept vehicle. The concept is to swap hoods, so that it can be a bus at day, a cargo truck at night, but all that means is that you can swap the drive train. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N3elygeUA4

Neither sleek nor cheap, but environmentally conscious, it never achieved commercial success.

That's the fallacy of electric cars - being environmentally conscious. The only thing that can be environmentally conscious is to reduce drastically the number of cars.

Yes, that was badly phrased. The number of cars is the main problem, but switching to electric motors helps a lot. Roughly speaking an EV has half the lifetime emissions of an ICE vehicle (1/6th in the best case). But if there are twice as many EVs as there are petrol cars today, little is won (though by that time "best case" ought to be normal case). They are still cars though they pollute less and are less noisy.

In meatbag news:

But there's exciting news: Russia and China are going to jointly build a lunar scientific research station! On the moon's surface, or perhaps in orbit... No time-line given.
Somewhat related: NASA tasks SpaceX to take Americans back to the moon.

As in China, Russia open moon base project to international partners, early details emerge (https://spacenews.com/china-russia-open-moon-base-project-to-international-partners-early-details-emerge/)

I can't contain my excitement.

They need international partners? we are a fantastic international partner.
The lunar station needs a forum and we are the best.  :up:

And to complement NASA is focused. On Artemis, the programme.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsIhTw0CK8U

Which is as good reason as any to recommend this piece of whatiffery, For All Mankind. They may have outdone Kubrick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZS9M52Bd_w

Humans Will Never Colonize Mars (https://gizmodo.com/humans-will-never-colonize-mars-1836316222)

The suggestion that humans will soon set up bustling, long-lasting colonies on Mars is something many of us take for granted. What this lofty vision fails to appreciate, however, are the monumental—if not intractable—challenges awaiting colonists who want to permanently live on Mars. Unless we radically adapt our brains and bodies to the harsh Martian environment, the Red Planet will forever remain off limits to humans.

Mars is the closest thing we have to Earth in the entire solar system, and that’s not saying much.

(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_scale,f_auto,fl_progressive,pg_1,q_80,w_1600/vwbnyqp2dw8nygwdw53u.png)

The Red Planet is a cold, dead place, with an atmosphere about 100 times thinner than Earth’s. The paltry amount of air that does exist on Mars is primarily composed of noxious carbon dioxide, which does little to protect the surface from the Sun’s harmful rays. Air pressure on Mars is very low; at 600 Pascals, it’s only about 0.6 percent that of Earth. You might as well be exposed to the vacuum of space, resulting in a severe form of the bends—including ruptured lungs, dangerously swollen skin and body tissue, and ultimately death. The thin atmosphere also means that heat cannot be retained at the surface. The average temperature on Mars is -81 degrees Fahrenheit (-63 degrees Celsius), with temperatures dropping as low as -195 degrees F (-126 degrees C). By contrast, the coldest temperature ever recorded on Earth was at Vostok Station in Antarctica, at -128 degrees F (-89 degrees C) on June 23, 1982. Once temperatures get below the -40 degrees F/C mark, people who aren’t properly dressed for the occasion can expect hypothermia to set in within about five to seven minutes.

So now the Chinese have beaten Soviet Union/Russia in Mars missions, due to the latter's "Mars curse".

On the other hand the Soviet Union had a much more impressive record in landing on Venus. Now that's a real man's planet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2t2LyC4sSV0

SN15 did not explode on landing :(

Good news: It will be reused until it does :)

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CZTLogln34[/video]

So now there are three rovers driving around on Mars at the same time, will need to put traffic lights up there soon. At least the US and China are both right-hand drive countries.

(https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/images/e/e7/aviation_firsts.png)

So the current game score is, total (currently active):

Several small steps for meatbaggery this summer.

June was the month for sinobags, while Zhurong was still trundling over Mars. When the taikonauts (https://www.space.com/china-tiangong-space-station) had their spacewalk, there was a a sudden interest in the Space Cow (https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/jun/21/international-space-station-astronauts-complete-six-hour-spacewalk-to-install-solar-panels).

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/CC90/production/_118886325_hi067945563.jpg)

And July is the month for the moneybags. While the 71 year old Virgin launched his latest scheme for multibillionaires to make money from multimillionaires, Amazon is about to deliver their chief operating package into orbit. 

Can't wait for the first robot combat in Mars.

Martian martial machines?

And July is the month for the moneybags. While the 71 year old Virgin launched his latest scheme for multibillionaires to make money from multimillionaires, Amazon is about to deliver their chief operating package into orbit.

They both returned. What a useless waste. To properly deliver a package, the package should reach the destination and stay there!

Even Aussies think that Bezos' rocket is a joke.

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkM4iySAByI[/video]

Some Russian director and actress blast off to the international space station to make a movie.

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHFzIPQyHao[/video]

And William Shatner wants to be the oldest human in space ever - already next week https://news.yahoo.com/william-shatner-says-hes-little-152210499.html

Hard to tell what Zhurong and Perseverance will be up now that Mars is on the opposite side of the Sun.

But for "money dumped in vast amounts for space" we can look forward to the James Webb space telescope (JWST) (https://www.sciencenews.org/article/james-webb-space-telescope-launch-space-science-cosmos-exoplanets) launch in December. Even assuming it survives the launch, the 10 gigabuck telescope will have a limited shelf life, and there will be no battery chance or other maintenance. But the views…

https://youtu.be/b6AdjzJhWYQ

Given how its development has went so far, my money is on the rocket exploding before it gets to orbit.

(https://2w6kxc22rrr9mabqt1mglgait6-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Star-Trek-red-shirt-william-shatner-small-1.jpg)

Lucy on the way (https://www.space.com/nasa-lucy-asteroids-mission-science-goals)… 

(https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/yAfb9gZnUdYiVhZyVxnAEM-1024-80.jpg.webp)


(picture of an artist)

"Lucy is named for a famous female Australopithecus afarensis fossil found in Ethiopia that, as a relative of modern humans, helped illuminate the evolution of our species. It is hoped that the spacecraft Lucy will similarly elucidate our solar system's earliest days."
I am pretty sure they linked that name to a song by four boys from Liverpool.

Given how its development has went so far, my money is on the rocket exploding before it gets to orbit.

The bus ride went well, at least.

There are over 300 ways that the new James Webb Space Telescope could fail, NASA says (https://www.space.com/james-webb-space-telescope-deployment-points-of-failure)

Imagine preparing for all 344 and then it fails because of something dumb like log4j running on the release mechanism for some reason.

According to NASA, China is starting a war in space.

“What do you think is happening on the Chinese space station?” Nelson said, referring to China’s Tiangong space station. “They learn there how to destroy other people’s satellites.”

The first pieces of the Tiangong space station were launched into orbit in April of last year, and the rest of the station remains under construction, with the next component section scheduled to launch on July 23, according to Space News.

Nelson is not the first U.S. official to warn of Chinese plans to develop weapons to destroy the satellites of other nations. In April, the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) described various potential Chinese space-based weapons including the Shijian-17 satellite, which is equipped with a robotic arm the agency believes could be used to grab and damage other satellites.

China has claimed systems like the Shijian-17 satellite are to be used to help clean up space debris and denied the systems will be weaponized.

Russia's Luna-25 has smashed into the moon

MOSCOW, Aug 20 (Reuters) - Russia’s Luna-25 space craft has crashed into the moon after it spun into uncontrolled orbit, Russia’s space corporation Roskosmos said on Sunday.

It could happen to anyone, though in context one would suspect too much pressure, too little time and too little budget.

Yes, they were in a hurry. Russians were competing with India. India's probe launched earlier, but is on a longer trajectory. India's probe is now lowering itself towards the moon and in a few days we'll see whether it lands or lands to pieces.

ISRO is bidding to make a successful soft landing on the moon, which will make India the fourth country in the world to achieve the feat after the United States, Russia and China.

"Chandrayaan-3 is set to land on the moon on August 23, 2023, around 18:04 Hrs. IST. Thanks for the wishes and positivity! Let's continue experiencing the journey together," ISRO announced on X (formerly Twitter).

Chandrayaan 3 landed safely. (https://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/23/world/chandrayaan-3-lunar-landing-attempt-scn/index.html) So moon landings are possible even in 21st century. Amazing.

India is so happy over the successful moon landing that now they are sending a probe to the sun.

Aditya-L1: India successfully launches its first mission of the Sun (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-66643805)

If they make a successful sun landing, that would be the first.

Superhilarious enthusiastic commentary on this one: NASA's OSIRIS-REx mission returns an astroid soil sample to Earth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLA0mdnBcaI

This time Elon Musk organised probably the biggest rocket explosion ever. I don't see him get enough credit for it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=081a5Thjl5g

Footnote: "Rapid unscheduled disassembly" is a euphemism for explosion Spacex invented at an earlier occasion. The euphemism seems to have caught on.

There's some urge to celebrate 25 years of ISS (https://www.space.com/international-space-station-25th-anniversary-astronauts-webcast) just before it will be relegated into space junk. In some people's minds, the space station has served as an indication that cooperation with Russia is possible. I'd say it is more of an indication that Russians can restrain themselves in landmark situations of cosmic proportions. However, they still interpret those situations their own way, different from what anyone else might think.

Not too long ago Russians also managed to put out a real space movie (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Challenge_(2023_film)), the world's first feature film shot in space, to go along with their other space successes, such as first satellite in space and first man in space. I have not seen it.

Instead I have seen the very anti-space space movie Gravity with Sandra Bullock. The main message: Space is deadly dangerous. You're lucky if you get back alive. Excellent 3D effects though, worth seeing in 3D.

Ironically, the Russians are the only ones who are welcome everywhere in space.

The US vetoed having the Chinese on the ISS, so they built their own treehouse in space, Tiangong 天宫 (Sky/Heaven Palace), where the Russians are welcome, and nobody else. Wikipedia has nice schematics.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/77/Space_station_size_comparison.svg/883px-Space_station_size_comparison.svg.png)
Bit different from the Space Station 5 of 2001.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKBYB7qG4X0

Anyway, the Russians have talked about having a treehouse of their own, as has India. Neither seem likely to get off the ground soon, but my money would be on India. So when the Space Cow ends about 2030, there will be no obvious successor. There would be a mini-ISS around the Moon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Gateway), and possibly some commercial moneybag tourist refreshing station. But nothing ISS+ size this side of 2050. 

Payload costs go down, so it is certainly feasible if someone has enough billions burning in their pockets.

A private company does a moon landing. Apparently you can get rich this way.


Intuitive Machines shares soar after successful moon landing (https://www.reuters.com/business/intuitive-machines-rockets-higher-after-landing-spacecraft-moon-2024-02-23/)

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/LUNR?.tsrc=fin-srch