I'm pretty sure the Russian Federation will be the first major country to "release" its UFO files to the public… Soon, they'll have no credibility left, without relying on the lunatic fringe.
But Canada and Great Britain have made steps in this direction. Hm.
How much can we actually blame on extra- terrestrials? (Ya'll can leave the politics out and just talk about ETs… :) )
The ETs are in league with the Chinese. ;)
Ya'll can leave the politics out and just talk about ETs...
Politicians works for the ETs.
ETs are reptilian/insects like creatures so the reason politicians banned smoking, As everybody knows, smoke kills insects.
ETs reproduces by eggs, like ants not mammals. Therefore the first step, homosexual adoptions and artificial insemination.
Trump is clearly a reptilian like creature. Same goes for the Queen of England. If you pay enough attention, you'll see for brief moments their forked tongue and reptilian look in their eyes.
Queen of Britain you ignorant Iberian.
So, the queen of Britain is no longer the queen of England…? You might want to let the Beefeaters guarding Windor Castle and other sites know — they can stand down!
Scotland has. Why shouldn't England, eh?
I, as an American, ask you to give us our nukes back! :) (Somewhat more seriously: Turkey should be "divested" post-haste of all American war-making technologies… Specially, nuclear missiles and anti-nuclear missiles… And, yes, I mean that Turkey should be expelled from NATO. But you already know I'd like to see NATO go away, so what's the problem? :) )
[Please insert Euro-babble as much as you want… Then say why NATO remains necessary, and why the U.S. needs to pay for most of it.]
I know Howie is probably not representative of Europeans. Still, he's a paragon compared to the Ugly American it seems to me most Europeans see as the typical American…
What I glean from my discussions with most Europeans is: Until the U.S. becomes fully committed to welfare state-ism or outright socialism, we're considered barbarians!
Sobeit! Slit your wrists in your luxurious bath, Europe! (We'll mourn you… But not follow your example. You once had scruples; we still do — for a while yet, I hope.)
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I know this seems off-topic, but it really isn't: Europe's been living in a fantasy world for three decades… :) It's no great stretch, to invoke ETs as the "modern" Jews.
[Please insert Euro-babble as much as you want... Then say why NATO remains necessary, and why the U.S. needs to pay for most of it.]
Hah! Poor little US, putting some of its military expenses in the NATO column during accounting. Why the US needs to pay for most of it? It pays about the same as France and the United Kingdom put together last time I checked. And I thought it's mainly because of NATO that we were buying all of those
stupidexpensive
American JSF planes. That's €6 billion going to America from the Netherlands alone. There's definitely some magic going on with the numbers, but I'm pretty sure the magic isn't quite the way you're insinuating.
(Oh dear, a couple of glasses of wine and I sound like
@krake. :P)
More seriously, it's a somewhat convoluted, mostly concealed scheme of economic cooperation as well as a military alliance. In that sense, some form of TTIP would obsolete it. The money's going to our respective military industrial complexes more than it goes to some kind of dark hole NATO bureaucracy. Now
there's a protection racket. ;)
Interesting take, Frenzie…
:no:
Why the US needs to pay for most of it? It pays about the same as France and the United Kingdom put together last time I checked.
The problem is not what the USA pays, the problem is what you fear from them. That's what determine what happens.
The USA have all the arguments they want to stop "defending" Europe, does Europe can defend itself from Putin if Americans fly away?
Europe (except Portugal) accepted the Plan Marshal, now you are at Americans hands.
Just lambs. The silence of lambs it's your destination, the slaughterhouse.
The rest of Europe is nothing but ex soviet parias. They'll go for those who pay better.
The USA have all the arguments they want to stop "defending" Europe, ...
A bogus argument. Unfortunately, there are enough birdbrained people out there to buy it.
After the collapse of the Soviet Union they were defending Europe from Saddam's weapons of mass destruction.
Then they were defending Europe from Iran's nuclear threat (probably some missiles fired from the camel's ass).
Now they are protecting Europe from Putin.
Who will be next they will protect Europe from? Tuvalu?
Europe (except Portugal) accepted the Plan Marshal, now you are at Americans hands.
Don't be silly, it wasn't only Portugal.
The rest of Europe is nothing but ex soviet parias.
Hail to the exception, spelled P-o-r-t-u-g-a-l! :jester:
The USA have all the arguments they want to stop "defending" Europe, does Europe can defend itself from Putin if Americans fly away?
America piggy backs on our empire, not the other way around. We're hospitable hosts, not weak dependents.
Then… :)
The USA have all the arguments they want to stop "defending" Europe, ...
A bogus argument. Unfortunately, there are enough birdbrained people out there to buy it.
After the collapse of the Soviet Union they were defending Europe from Saddam's weapons of mass destruction.
Then they were defending Europe from Iran's nuclear threat (probably some missiles fired from the camel's ass).
Now they are protecting Europe from Putin.
Who will be next they will protect Europe from? Tuvalu?
Europe (except Portugal) accepted the Plan Marshal, now you are at Americans hands.
Don't be silly, it wasn't only Portugal.
The rest of Europe is nothing but ex soviet parias.
Hail to the exception, spelled P-o-r-t-u-g-a-l! :jester:
Have no fear, good Sir, the Drumpf may soon be here to whisk us out of NATO/world affairs/occupation-meddling, and leave the UK and
@rjhowie to lead The Force! (https://dndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sectalk.com%2Fboard%2Fpublic%2Fstyle_emoticons%2Fdefault%2Ftrollface.gif&hash=665db6eec9584d69e6bd4e70d368aa3a" rel="cached" data-hash="665db6eec9584d69e6bd4e70d368aa3a" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://www.sectalk.com/board/public/style_emoticons/default/trollface.gif)
Viva la isolationism!
the Drumpf may soon be here to whisk us out of NATO
And buy everything and drive to bankruptcy like his did his hotels.
Drumpf may soon be here to whisk us out of NATO/world affairs/occupation-meddling
He would die much before that happens. In politics and world strategy casting errors can be corrected.
Well colonel if Trump won (what a farce a country having him as one of 2 possible leaders! Farcical) and you were out of NATO maybe the money could be saved to help the millions of your own countrymen who have had their hopes and patriotism misused. Hhhm, maybe on second thoughts the country would collapse. The only aside fortune touch of that would be less military invasions and bases everywhere! Yeah, go on, elect him and could only happen in America that one of the 2 for the White House would be so laughable and crassly ignorant. That liar, Clinton is only he lesser of two evils and shows how deep the political problem is in the ex-colonies. You poor sap!
Hillary is liar? Hrmmm... Well she has two pages of false statements on Politifact. (http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/statements/byruling/false/)But Trump doubles her (http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/), even though her record goes back longer. Maybe being that full of shit is what turns Trump's skin orange? I'm not sure of what's the greater mystery: Trump's unhuman skin tone or that Trump's supporters somehow think their messiah tells the truth.
Drumpf may soon be here to whisk us out of NATO/world affairs/occupation-meddling
He would die much before that happens. In politics and world strategy casting errors can be corrected.
Exactly. He would die or get shot dead much before that happens.
Anyway, it won't happen for two main reasons:
a.) Trump has no chance to become president
b.) Which president (politician) kept all the promises after being elected?
a.) Trump has no chance to become president
I'm not sure of that.
I agree with the rest.
Drumpf may soon be here to whisk us out of NATO/world affairs/occupation-meddling
He would die much before that happens. In politics and world strategy casting errors can be corrected.
Exactly. He would die or get shot dead much before that happens.
Anyway, it won't happen for two main reasons:
a.) Trump has no chance to become president
b.) Which president (politician) kept all the promises after being elected?
Methinks you are underestimating the power of the stupidity of some of our voters. Look at the ancient motherland; they just left your EU. WTF was that all about?
Meanwhile, in that most damnable state to our southwest, Louisiana, former KKK grand wizard and former HoR member, David Duke is running in the Louisiana's Democratic primary to become the nest La. Senator. WTF is that all about?
Odd things are afloat my German friend. At this point to say anything will "never" happen is foolish.
Well if you had a proper democracy youngie then you would not have a man like Trump in the running to well, run the country! The other is another waste of damn time as Clinton is well into the corporate corner a liar and con woman. Many only voting for her as the only alternative for the White house. As for people being so stupid as support Trump you do have a big problem with that boy as there are legions of the dopey over there which shows how basically bad things are.
You can of course being young be optimistic for the future one day but maybe it is just as well the nutjob industry is so big as you will at least have comfort when older and still frustrated. :up:
Well if you had a proper democracy youngie then you would not have a man like Trump in the running to well, run the country!
In a democracy, anyone can run as long they meet the qualifications outlined in the constitution. It would be undemocratic to disqualify somebody because political views (and is what happens in totalitarian countries. So I have to support Trump's right to run even as I fear what the lunatic might do if he manages to win. It's a little late for the election, but maybe next time Oakdale and myself should run against each other. At least it would be entertaining as we troll each other :yes:
It's a little late for the election, but maybe next time Oakdale and myself should run against each other.
When I was a kid, I thought '92 would be
my year… :) (Mumbles something about "misspent youth".)
Well if you had a proper democracy youngie then you would not have a man like Trump in the running to well, run the country! The other is another waste of damn time as Clinton is well into the corporate corner a liar and con woman. Many only voting for her as the only alternative for the White house. As for people being so stupid as support Trump you do have a big problem with that boy as there are legions of the dopey over there which shows how basically bad things are.
You can of course being young be optimistic for the future one day but maybe it is just as well the nutjob industry is so big as you will at least have comfort when older and still frustrated. :up:
So what you are saying is we should go back to the style of gov't seen in the Roman Republic? (https://dndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sectalk.com%2Fboard%2Fpublic%2Fstyle_emoticons%2Fdefault%2Ftrollface.gif&hash=665db6eec9584d69e6bd4e70d368aa3a" rel="cached" data-hash="665db6eec9584d69e6bd4e70d368aa3a" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://www.sectalk.com/board/public/style_emoticons/default/trollface.gif)
At least it would be entertaining
I agree, very American and certainly not worst than what we are assisting.
I just have a question regarding style, would you dress better than Hillary? Would Oakdale present himself as an English gentleman or a Californian old hyppie? these are decisive questions to the electorate.
Cantabridgian hippie, Bel… :) A native Californian who returned to the state eventually, I was raised elsewhere - thankfully! Uh, I mean dude!!!
I remember so much from back then that I'm going to watch the ComicCon show… :) Just good (almost) clean fun!
Is there a Russian comics culture…?
OK. Ten minutes in, I've changed my mind. (ETs have taken over, and they're really dullards… :) )
I'm pretty sure the Russian Federation will be the first major country to "release" its UFO files to the public… Soon, they'll have no credibility left, without relying on the lunatic fringe.
You're wrong OakdaleFTL. The Russian Federation won't be the first major country to "release" its UFO files to the public. ;)
CIA releases thousands of declassified 'X-files' on aliens, flying saucers and other unexplained phenomena (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3422014/The-truth-really-CIA-releases-thousands-declassified-X-files-aliens-flying-saucers-unexplained-phenomena.html)
Wonder if it helped to improve credibility. :rolleyes:
You overlook colonel the reason why the headshrinkers are big business in your own place boy. And the way the palce is run and so many in desperation. The Cold War thinking set are hand in glove with the money barons and indeed corporate military business. It has always been the opportunity for the young to be hopeful but unfortunately where you live it is twice the challenge.
I could agree with you more, Howie, if Russia itself had been more innocent lately. Maybe the old Cold Warrior Putin himself wants to a new Cold War. This gives him all the reason he needs to continue to build Russia's armed forces even as the economy crumbles as shown by this graph.
(https://dndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.tradingeconomics.com%2Fcharts%2Frussia-gdp-growth-annual.png%3Fs%3Drudpryoy%26amp%3Bv%3D201607072313n&hash=e97279f993891a92515ddeb1cd74b2cd" rel="cached" data-hash="e97279f993891a92515ddeb1cd74b2cd" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://cdn.tradingeconomics.com/charts/russia-gdp-growth-annual.png?s=rudpryoy&v=201607072313n)
I am afraid you are very wrong in your assumption that Putin wants a cold war thinking. It has been the West led by you-know-who. Your country has this built-in assumption that is is greater than everywhere else and has a right to be the global corporate and military thinking. Out of that has come hundreds of military bases with the ridiculous excuse of protection of interests. The Russia Federation is a capitalist based one may I remind and because it is so big the US led lot do not like having anywhere in the world where they cannot be in charge. So because Putin and Russia (a very proud nation as it happens) refuses to be controlled it is the US led propaganda that has created the present situation.
So many minds across the Atlantic are so easy to brain hence the ant-Russian rhetoric that goes on. The West is creating n immoral situation and it is ridiculous. Considering the influence of Re China on your economics you would be better trying to be more principled on that direction tan falsely bashing the bear. Try spending time and money on the tens of millions of your country men and women who re suffering whilst military and corporate control of the world comes before them.
Methinks you are underestimating the power of the stupidity of some of our voters. Look at the ancient motherland; they just left your EU. WTF was that all about?
Which ancient mother are we talking here? The only region that has left the EU to date is Greenland.
Britain is talking about doing it, with some trepidation and placid sense of urgency. After the British isles actually became islands about 8000 years ago they haven't been seen as motherland or particularly ancient by other Europeans, rather Britain has been the landing ground, or attempted such, by Romans, Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Norse, French, Spanish, Dutch, and Germans. Arguably Britain could be seen as the ancient motherland of a historically important subset of Americans.
Since you seem to refer to Krake, he would have to determine which mothers he would like to recognise. I don't think he's a good Preussian like
@Macallan but linguistically Proto-German seems to have been spoken initially in some vicinity of Denmark, and Proto-Indo-European in the Ukraine (hypothesis in ascendancy) or Turkey (supported by some stalwarts). Genetically migration to Europe (and Germany) seems to have come in three major waves, but expect many revisions to the hypotheses in the decades to come. Plenty mothers to choose from, but none of them leaving the EU, and
@krake in particular seems opposed to Ukraine and Turkey even joining the EU.
Someone should have explained slowly to the colonel that Gt Britain was not in a thing like the US of A. And on top of that if a State in nutjob land voted to get out - they wouldn't with tanks on the streets!
Midnight I would remind you that the new "Cold War" was started by you lot and the rest of the West just bowed and came along. Any country the USA cannot dominate economically and in other ways becomes an enemy in whatever way it suits. Because of the long anti-Russian stuff in the days of the old Soviet Union it was easy to educate the kindergarten minds over there as the propaganda is clever and well pushed. When Russia became a capitalist State but would not knuckle under to your corporate empire the propaganda experts took over across the pond. No doubt due to the previous mind controlling in America in USSR days it was easy to re-do such. Putin is not an idiot and very much obvious as clever and well educated. A time ago I said I had watched and listened to him being interviewed by around half a dozen top journalists in a tv studio room and he was very clever. When he does the annual much bigger public interviews in front of a big audience he needs no notes or anything and proves it. You just fall easily into the braining you lot get by your politicians and the big corporate media.
Had Russia just succumbed to the greed of US corporates oh what a difference we would have got at such a wonderful place and leader! Other places that do not give in to US control an big business either get de-stabilised or an excuse to invade but as that cannot be done to the Russian Federation the old propaganda goons in America control the thinking. Your country is acting like a plonker.
Putin is not an idiot
No he isn't.
Anyone defending him is.
Arguably Britain could be seen as the ancient motherland of a historically important subset of Americans.
In the context of EU, that's what Britain unarguably is, but they themselves don't present it this way. Cameron said something about Britain being a good European and that's why Britain must leave, which sounds like Europeans are not very good Europeans and that's why he lets us have our EU.
From this side of La Manche they always looked like a fifth wheel in EU. No idea why anyone let them whiny bragging hagglers join in the first place. They comply with the rules even less than Greeks.
By the way, didn't you say in another thread something like that nations don't exist?
That's a point. Britain is the fairy godmother of EU, more than any other country they shaped the EU we have today. If it hadn't been for Britain there would have been no EU.
I never said nations don't exist, I believe I called them "an idea, an ideal". Those things are very real, but in an abstract. The nation is what you lie down and think about, the city is where you act. (Or more rarely: in the countryside, wilderness or at sea, but not only are the ones in the countryside far off the cities a shrinking minority, their economic output is even much smaller. For those the economy is even more local, with even less trade and interaction with the outside, the minuscule number of seafarers aside.)
Nations are also real in concrete terms, try crossing most national borders without a passport. But "Sweden" or "USA" or "China" is not where the economic activity is, it is in the Stockholm region, Gothenburg region, Malmö-Copenhagen, Boston-Washington, Great Lakes, Sacramento-San Jose, Beijing-Tianjin (JingJinJi/Bohai Rim), Suzhou-Shanghai-Hangzhou, Guangzhou-Shenzhen-Hong Kong (Pearl River City).
Or people in commute distance from people. Since "commute distance" and "people" are flexible terms the borders of these cities or areas are fluid as well. Most of these have a dominant city, bigger and more influential than the others, a few lack these and an obvious centre.
It is easy enough to track the history of these nations, it's basically one of conquest. In the case of Sweden the Svea tribe and kingdom (centered around Uppsala, Stockholm and Copenhagen are later inventions, based on a need for better seats of trade) beat the other kingdoms, and the kingdoms of Norway and Denmark as well, to form today's Sweden (with a policy to subjugate all the lands around the Baltic Sea, which they were quite successful with for a couple royal reigns). Even as the dynastic border around "Sweden" expanded, the economy was still local.
Imagine that comment from a Portuguese on Putin when you think of the decades Portugal lapped up Dr Salazar?
Britain is the fairy godmother of EU, more than any other country they shaped the EU we have today.
That's the biggest lie I ever heard.
EU is the result of a French and German plan. French to stay with agriculture and Germans to stay with industry, all over Europe.
Britain was in to play the American interest in destroying the EU and, specially, the Euro.
Their time finished so they return to their American masters.
I believe you live in Mars. Subsidized by the Chinese or something alike.
Britain was in to play the American interest in destroying the EU and, specially, the Euro.
I've always like this line of argument: "You won't play
my game, so you're playing against me!"
GB didn't join the Euro, so -when and if it fails (Portugal, Italy, Greece and Spain have reasonable complaints, against their own politicians)- they can blame GB…
Why not blame New Zealand? :) They didn't join the common currency plan, either…
Without political unity, a common currency is guaranteed to disadvantage poorer "areas". (Can they still be called "countries"? :) ) What happened -and continues to happen- is the result of a foolish belief that European solidarity would overcome national interests…
Sad, I know. Specially since we all (well — you all! :) ) speak Esperanto now!
Without political unity, a common currency is guaranteed to disadvantage poorer "areas".
It doesn't happen often but this time I tend to agree with you - almost.
However, I'm slightly correcting your above statement:
Without political unity
and a common fiscal policy, a common currency is guaranteed
to fail.
The problem is that a common fiscal policy can't have regards for different economic developments. Interest rates (higher or lower) should manage economies and monetary equilibrium during a given time frame whereas the EU joins countries with several national economies at different conditions. Alas mission impossible.
Add to the above "Free Trade" among countries with different degrees of industrialization. It will act like poison for less industrialized countries depriving them of any protectionist measure to keep their local industry and workstations alive. While it means profit and expansion for the one it can lead to masked slavery for the other.
Alan Greenspan predicted no future for the €. So far he proved to be wrong but I wouldn't underestimate present and upcoming risks...
What happened -and continues to happen- is the result of a foolish belief that European solidarity would overcome national interests…
Nope. Nobody was so naive. European solidarity or rather European
need might help to homogenize those national interests.
Sad, I know. Specially since we all (well — you all! :) ) speak Esperanto now!
I can't tell for others but I'm speaking a few languages and Esperanto is definitive not among them.
GB didn't join the Euro, so -when and if it fails (Portugal, Italy, Greece and Spain have reasonable complaints, against their own politicians)- they can blame GB...
Who's blaming GB? I just said what any European specialist knows, GB's role for American strategy and you answered nothing to deny it.
Without political unity, a common currency is guaranteed to disadvantage poorer "areas". (Can they still be called "countries"? :) ) What happened -and continues to happen- is the result of a foolish belief that European solidarity would overcome national interests...
Only an immense degree of naivety would believe in that.
Since you seem to not have any idea about reality maybe is good to you to know that "poor areas" in Europe means, as in the case of Portugal, to have a GDP bigger than more than 50% of the American States. So, think again about poverty and health distribution.
The EU was about to create a flourishing single market of 500 million consumers based in a solid currency as the Euro.
What happens it's simply the fights for dominate such market. Like all "free-markets" it has an owner.
I can't tell for others but I'm speaking a few languages and Esperanto is definitive not among them.
For Oakdale we all should speak the same language if we were really united. That's the American problem seeing the world at their own image. Since the world doesn't behaves as they think it should, they export their own with Hollywood.
I can't tell for others but I'm speaking a few languages and Esperanto is definitive not among them.
I (or rather my wife) do have an early review copy of Bridge of Words (https://www.librarything.com/work/15917886) lying around. It sounds kind of interesting, although probably not interesting enough to actually make time for.
Britain was in to play the American interest in destroying the EU and, specially, the Euro.
I've always like this line of argument: "You won't play my game, so you're playing against me!"
GB didn't join the Euro, so -when and if it fails (Portugal, Italy, Greece and Spain have reasonable complaints, against their own politicians)- they can blame GB…
I, like Krake, would agree with you this time. The Euro is one of the EU projects Britain didn't instigate (or undermine), though they did an quarter-hearted attempt of joining.
De Gaulle had a point when he vetoed Britain as a member of the EEC. Britain changed the whole trajectory of the EU. When they got in they insisted Greece should be a a member too, and since then been a consistent supporter of EU enlargement. They have also been proponents of the EU as a market, with free movement of people and money, eschewing the more federal vision of the founder nations, a tightly integrated club of Western European countries. The irony is that all the reasons Brexiteers came up with for leaving the EU were those things Britain had pushed for in the EU.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37iHSwA1SwE
Add to the above "Free Trade" among countries with different degrees of industrialization. It will act like poison for less industrialized countries depriving them of any protectionist measure to keep their local industry and workstations alive. While it means profit and expansion for the one it can lead to masked slavery for the other.
That was always the objective and still is.
The way of doing it was to pay (called structural funds). The funny part is that after benefiting with peripherical economies destruction, now they want they money back.
With GB's exit, Italy now turns the third biggest economy after Germany and France. That's an important factor since it moves the center of decisions more to the South. It's the right time for a Southern common front against the Anglo Saxon continued assault.
Add to the above "Free Trade" among countries with different degrees of industrialization. It will act like poison for less industrialized countries depriving them of any protectionist measure to keep their local industry and workstations alive. While it means profit and expansion for the one it can lead to masked slavery for the other.
That was always the objective and still is.
So, so. Since it was always so how comes that none of your bright decision makers didn't knew it from the beginning?
Nobody was forcing you neither to join the union nor to adopt a currency you can't afford.
It was fascinating to fill the pockets with structural funds (which b.t.w. nobody is asking you to pay back) and to lend cheap money. Wasn't it?
What you are charged with is the mountain of debt your corrupt elites accumulated afterwards.
The European Union is neither the incarnation of Mother Theresa nor is it the holly cow you can milk forever.
With GB's exit, Italy now turns the third biggest economy after Germany and France. That's an important factor since it moves the center of decisions more to the South. It's the right time for a Southern common front against the Anglo Saxon continued assault.
Dream on dear Bel. :)
Making decisions with empty pockets? You must be kidding.
Only thing they could do is to create an union of the bankrupts. Than you could lend money from Italy, Spain, Greece or vice versa. You could also help each other to fix your economies. However don't expect Middle and Northern Europe to be part of such an union. ;)
I can't tell for others but I'm speaking a few languages and Esperanto is definitive not among them.
I (or rather my wife) do have an early review copy of Bridge of Words (https://www.librarything.com/work/15917886) lying around. It sounds kind of interesting, although probably not interesting enough to actually make time for.
If not for a book, you might have time for a webpage about Esperanto http://www.xibalba.demon.co.uk/jbr/ranto/ The critique is devastating, in my opinion. When I first encountered Esperanto, I instantly came up with some of the same objections.
The European Union is neither the incarnation of Mother Theresa nor is it the holly cow you can milk forever.
Oh yes it is. You'll keep on paying, you have no other option when wanting to play the powerful and you need desperately to play the powerful. :)
You don't sent the money and bye bye 300 million consumers.
All the rest of your "economic" theories, debts and deficits, are just meaningless words. To be powerful in Europe either you pay with blood or you pay with money.
Making decisions with empty pockets? You must be kidding.
It's an Art. It seems we're doing it just fine. Strange empty pockets that buys so much of your BMWs...
You should theorize less and get back to the factory for producing more. After all that's all you know about life. :)
Until now, I think Germany is performing well at their plan to conquer Europe but it would be very ironic if you act as an avaricious...
Come on, don't be afraid of spending the money, if it can be bought then it's not expensive.
You should had learn it when you tried to conquer with cannons.
If not for a book, you might have time for a webpage about Esperanto http://www.xibalba.demon.co.uk/jbr/ranto/ (http://www.xibalba.demon.co.uk/jbr/ranto/) The critique is devastating, in my opinion. When I first encountered Esperanto, I instantly came up with some of the same objections.
Doesn't really seem to be the same subject at all. :) But actually it's much easier to read a book than a webpage. The point is simply that there is so much else of interest.
The idea of Esperanto is mildly interesting, but the execution has always left me cold. It's basically reinvented English, except more Czech/Polish/Italian than Saxon/French. Except English managed to discard some phonemes along the way for clarity.
If not for a book, you might have time for a webpage about Esperanto http://www.xibalba.demon.co.uk/jbr/ranto/ (http://www.xibalba.demon.co.uk/jbr/ranto/) The critique is devastating, in my opinion. When I first encountered Esperanto, I instantly came up with some of the same objections.
Doesn't really seem to be the same subject at all. :)
If the book is about Esperanto (distinguished from the idea of any kind of international artificial constructed language, using Esperanto as a general denominator), then it's somewhat about the same thing. I looked up the book's description and it focuses on the social ideas, so the emphasis is different, but if it's about the language by Zamenhof, then it's not about a whole different subject.
But actually it's much easier to read a book than a webpage.
I've lately saved some long webpages as PDF's to load them onto ereader. Works, if you take time with the settings upon saving.
The idea of Esperanto is mildly interesting, but the execution has always left me cold. It's basically reinvented English, except more Czech/Polish/Italian than Saxon/French. Except English managed to discard some phonemes along the way for clarity.
Reinvented Greek/Italian/Belorussian rather. A very questionable mix. Anybody who takes a cursory look would come up with some easy improvements within minutes. Because it's technically incompetent like this, I would be cautious about the social ideas behind it too.
There's no need for Esperanto, lousy English fits perfectly the role.
A "language" with no more than two thousand native words fits perfectly international communications.
"Native words"? I assume by that, and your count, you don't count words with an origin to be "true" English. You wouldn't find many words in Portugese without Latin, Celtic, Gothic, Arab, English... origin. Even "new" words usually have an origin.
Reinvented Greek/Italian/Belorussian rather. A very questionable mix. Anybody who takes a cursory look would come up with some easy improvements within minutes. Because it's technically incompetent like this, I would be cautious about the social ideas behind it too.
More precisely put, I meant that it's something of an artificially created pidgin/creole hoping to attain the status of an English or French, but with a slightly different language emphasis. Except it seems to lack the ease and simplification of an actual pidgin in terms of phonemes and the like. Nor does it seem to have put much thought into how universal those phonemes are outside or possibly even inside Europe. I note your webpage makes the same criticisms with more detail.
"Native words"? I assume by that, and your count, you don't count words with an origin to be "true" English. You wouldn't find many words in Portugese without Latin, Celtic, Gothic, Arab, English... origin. Even "new" words usually have an origin.
Wrong, we've many paleo-iberian languages and even writing. In fact, Tartessian is the only known writing that spreaded from west to east. :)
(It's interesting to know how linguists determines that. Tartassian has three known variations, spreading in area and time, the more recent at the eastern part of the Peninsula, the older in the western part.
As other initial writings, the older variation often repeats characters (because they had to engrave it again) something that doesn't happen to the newest (having already a better engraving thecnique).)
So, it's not initial languages that adopted new words, it was a new language (Latin) that latinized old words.
The God Endovelic comes from the Latin Endovelicus which was a latinization of theTurdule word for the God. No one knows how it was exactly spelled but the sound would have been somehow close to the way Romans said.
Putin is not an idiot and very much obvious as clever and well educated.
I don't recall anyone saying otherwise. But he seems to be making the European mistake of thinking Americans are.
But he seems to be making the European mistake of thinking Americans are.
Russia has been creating many different think tanks, news agencies and general websites in order to combat American and NATO information and influence.
This is a not neutral article on that: A Powerful Russian Weapon: The Spread of False Stories
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/29/world/europe/russia-sweden-disinformation.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
This is a not neutral article on that: A Powerful Russian Weapon: The Spread of False Stories
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/29/world/europe/russia-sweden-disinformation.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
No, it isn't. It's the sort of cheap propaganda it blames Russia for. :D
Indeed it is.
So, both sides use information's manipulation and propaganda. It happens that one of those sides is also our side.
Europe is not some sort of "Third Way" some pretends it to be.
Either we shift totally into Russia's direction or we remain under "protection" (and orders) of the Americans. I doubt that many Europeans will trust Putin so much for doing it, I certainly don't.
The EU it's the only project that could free Europe from Americans and resist to the Russian appetite while defending Europe's interests in terms of world wide strategy. For that to happen we would need a strong leadership and a common objective. We have none.
As you know, rats are already leaving the ship.
Either we shift totally into Russia's direction or we remain under "protection" (and orders) of the Americans.
Everybody is entitled to have his own opinion. So are you. :)
BTW,
it was nice under the protection of the British Empire. Wasn't it? At least as long as you have not gotten your ass kicked.
Wish you all the luck under American protection. :)
As you know, rats are already leaving the ship.
You mean: Rats are leaving the
sinking ship.
However, you are entitled to be angry - a net payer less...
Well unfortunately Midnight a great many Americans unfortunately are silly in hard practice. I have watched that Clinton mouth coming out with some ridiculous accusations against Russia. If the USA doesn't control something or somebody then heaven help them. Belfager falls into the propaganda threshold as well. With a long history in America re the Cold War the people have been well propagated into the Russia fury syndrome quite easily. The media there and across the West is very much in the Goebells track so heaven help any place that does not give in to US interest or control. The modern Cold War is handy for Hill buffoons and those brained by them. Russia has no intention of trying to run the world like America and has the sense not to equate military corners either.mode.
You mean: Rats are leaving the sinking ship.
The ship Germans sunk twice and are sinking for a third time.
However, you are entitled to be angry - a net payer less...
For finishing with the "net payer" clownery forever, people must know that the entire EU budget it's inferior to 2% of each country budget.
From that, Germans pays less than 15%.
What are you paying for? toilet paper?
A less net robber, that's for sure.
What are you paying for? toilet paper?
Worse.
Call it what you want, what that money does is to assure your employment while destroying everybody's else.
In other words, the money is the façade to hide how to build a superavit by forcing other's deficit.
Good to people to know that just yesterday a new EU's proceedings open so people can receive a subside for.... destroying their agricultural cultures. Funny isn't it?
Why? because a couple months ago, unilaterally, Brussels decided to reduce (again and again and again) Portugal's quota for some agricultural products.
People has no other option but to try to receive a few centimes for their administratively destroyed way of life.
That's how it has been done respecting all and every economic areas, it's not an accident, it's a plan, it's not an union, it's a conquest.
With GB's exit, I doubt the German propaganda can resist to the "unsuspected" Guardian publishing in detail how everything has been done. That's what the two years period will serve, to negotiate for their silence by offering highly beneficial trade agreements.
Good to people to know that just yesterday a new EU's proceedings open so people can receive a subside for.... destroying their agricultural cultures. Funny isn't it?
Why? because a couple months ago, unilaterally, Brussels decided to reduce (again and again and again) Portugal's quota for some agricultural products.
The BS you are spreading isn't funny at all.
Receiving subsidies for doing nothing? I would call it a generous offer.
Nobody is forcing you to destroy your agricultural culture. You can still produce as much as you can or want to.
Only thing you'll have to do is to find new markets for your products. The EU won't buy your overproduction out of charity.
You can thank your 'protector' for imposing an export ban on one of Europe's best trading partners.
It was a double edged sword meant to weaken that country and Europe as well. A brilliant move b.t.w.
Maybe you can export from now on your agricultural products to your 'protector' instead, because your former market seems to be lost for an indefinite time...
BTW, Portugal is neither the only nor the most affected country within the EU.
That's how it has been done respecting all and every economic areas, it's not an accident, it's a plan, it's not an union, it's a conquest.
Once again Mr. Loudmouth - neither did anybody force you to join the union nor are you kept there by force!
Receiving subsidies for doing nothing? I would call it a generous offer.
Nobody is forcing you to destroy your agricultural culture. You can still produce as much as you can or want to.
Only thing you'll have to do is to find new markets for your products. The EU won't buy your overproduction out of charity.
Clearly Germany is not governed by you...
This is not a matter of supply and demand, this is an administrative rule to stop us competing with your much higher cost and less quality products. You subsidize your products by way of illegal commerce prohibitions and illegal dumping and mascarade everything under a "net payer" position that only fools your average German voter.
You, in agriculture, means France, your partners.
As for industry, the scheme goes analog, you meaning you.
You're representing very well the immense stupidification of the European middle classes about the basics procedures in real life production, trading. and usage of financial instruments.
Once again Mr. Loudmouth - neither did anybody force you to join the union nor are you kept there by force!
It's your abusive takeover over the European project that nobody has ever authorized.
More precisely put, I meant that it's something of an artificially created pidgin/creole* hoping to attain the status of an English or French,** but with a slightly different language emphasis. Except it seems to lack the ease and simplification of an actual pidgin in terms of phonemes and the like. Nor does it seem to have put much thought into how universal those phonemes are outside or possibly even inside Europe. I note your webpage makes the same criticisms with more detail.
Yes, that's what you meant, except that the writer I pointed out has actual grasp of linguistics, which you would do well to learn from. Different from you, he never says "Esperanto" when he means constructed languages in general. He says Esperanto when he means Esperanto and nothing else. Moreover, he is not only capable of detail, but also of comparative analysis, which is the essence of linguistics.
* More precisely, you meant pidgin/creole when you said "English"
** And here you mean lingua franca when you say "an English or French"
Clearly Germany is not governed by you...
Of course not. Otherwise I wouldn't have the time for replying to all your nonsense. :D
This is not a matter of supply and demand, this is an administrative rule to stop us competing with your much higher cost and less quality products.
Not a matter of supply and demand? Really?
Be aware that this (http://www.pri.org/stories/2014-09-20/how-europes-counter-putin-policy-could-go-terribly-pear-shaped) is an article from September 20, 2014.
Things have worsened considerable for many European farmers (and not only farmers) since.
However. if it makes you feel better, feel free to blame Putin for staging the putsch in the Ukraine or for reacting to the export ban imposed by our 'protector'.
Whomever you will try to blame (Putin, Merkel, Hollande, Cthulhu, ... - take your pick) it won't change the facts.
You, in agriculture, means France, your partners.
Except for some French specialties I can't see many products from France in our big shopping malls.
BTW, what do you think we import from Eastern Europe? Hi-tech?
Once again Mr. Loudmouth - neither did anybody force you to join the union nor are you kept there by force!
It's your abusive takeover over the European project that nobody has ever authorized.
:jester:
A revived Cold War makes the corporate armaments industry rub it's hands.
BTW, what do you think we import from Eastern Europe? Hi-tech?
Eastern Europe? poor idiots, the next slaves to supply the German Reich.
Yes, that's what you meant, except that the writer I pointed out has actual grasp of linguistics, which you would do well to learn from. Different from you, he never says "Esperanto" when he means constructed languages in general. He says Esperanto when he means Esperanto and nothing else. Moreover, he is not only capable of detail, but also of comparative analysis, which is the essence of linguistics.
I apologize if I somehow gave the impression that I was doing something more in-depth than recounting my superficial impression of Esperanto from many years ago. Which, to be clear, means I could be completely wrong about the language. I certainly wouldn't recognize Belarusian properties without a comparative table of the features of Slavic languages, and I thought the "leaves me cold" part strongly implied I've never even thought about doing such a thing. Nevertheless I sometimes wonder if, when asked if you can pass the salt, you answer that you can. :)
* More precisely, you meant pidgin/creole when you said "English"
** And here you mean lingua franca when you say "an English or French"
No, on both counts I did not. English and French have all of the connotations I had in mind for the analogy, which are much wider than merely the fact that it's possible that English is a creole. If I meant "lingua franca" you could replace "English or French" with not only the phrase "lingua franca", but also with any random number of linguae francae, like "Spanish or Russian" or "Arabic or Chinese." English is a Germanic language, possibly a creole, with a particularly strong Romance substrate, while French is the Romance language with the strongest Germanic substrate. Even a language like Spanish isn't comparable here because through its considerable Arabic substrate it's missing the European component of the equation, although I may be underestimating the Visigoth influence.
To paraphrase slightly better what I said before, at a cursory glance Esperanto appears to be essentially English (or to a lesser extent French) reinvented from a slightly more eastern but still very much European perspective (i.e., with a Slavic instead of Germanic component) without much thought given, if any, to its supposed universality with regard to phonemes in particular. Esperanto appeared to me, quite possibly incorrectly, as primarily a mix of Czech/Polish/Italian. But in light of the tone of your post I feel more satisfaction than I should (considering I shouldn't be feeling any at all) at the fact that your author describes Esperanto as "some sort of wind‐up‐toy Czech/Italian pidgin."
I posted a first draft of this reply yesterday which you may have seen, although I deleted it after a few minutes, but I've since given some more thought to what prompted me to compose such a long reply. I realized it's not that you accused me of making a mistake, and the fact that my forum posts tend to be conceptual first drafts at best is a criticism I fully accept but don't intend to act on. Because that is simply the nature of forum posts as far as I'm concerned. What ticked me off is that you wrote "you mean Y." You can say what amounts to the exact same thing inoffensively by prefixing "if I understand you correctly."
- If I understand you correctly, you mean Y.
- Did you mean Y?
- Could you clarify what you meant by X?
Those dang extraterrestrials have managed to confuse us mightily! :) Whose government will step up to deal with them first? Canada? Russia? China? The U.S.? Hm.
[something] makes the corporate armaments industry rub it's hands.
Bernard Shaw wrote a play about that… :) You wouldn't know it,
RJ. But then you know so little that this one lapse hardly counts!
But I'll give you a hint: It was a Scotsman (if I remember correctly…) who was the hero/villain, the arms manufacturer.
Nowadays, what does Scotland
make? I'd be interested to know… (Ask around,
Howie: You've never made anything yourself -besides hard feelings and your own silly romantic notions- so your surly and defamatory posts won't do: Give a sensible answer!
Or do what you usually do: Rant about how the U.S. (…which, in the categories you usually cite, has been getting better and better) is worse than the place you denigrate, for the very reasons you term our lack!
Admit it,
RJ: You have an irrational animosity towards the U.S. and all of your rhetoric and pejoratives is beside the point.
Hey, did an American girl say No to you, and you've never had to gumption to ask another…? :)
Your irrationality is obvious to all; as is your irrational animosity. (It's a European thing, I think… Once upon a time, Europe meant something. Everybody hating everybody else, constant war; silly disputes among people who should easily get along.) You'll soon have problems -yet again!- with the English; and you'll have to choose between Europe and "Great" Britain… And you won't like the choice you'll have to make!
But I suspect you're an alien drone… So, who cares what you think or say? :)
Well Oakdale if your country did not act so corporately control freakish, imperialistic while tens of millions in the country suffer you could have a point. However you replenish the word 'hypocritical' to an outstanding level!