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Title: Forum Stats
Post by: ersi on 2014-02-28, 08:00:30
About this page https://dndsanctuary.eu/index.php?action=stats

Shouldn't we have browser stats there, being keen web-browsing people in general and promoters of Otter browser?

To keep the stats table still straight in graphical browsers in big monitors, I suggest replacing one frame with browser stats frame. Namely, Top 10 Boards looks worthless. We don't even have 10 boards, so there should be Top 10 Browsers instead. We collectively definitely use more than 10 browsers.

Can be done or none?
Title: Re: Forum Stats
Post by: Banned Member on 2014-02-28, 08:29:02
These are the forum's data - not the site's. However they may seem the same.
For example, if I visit the forum this way (https://dndsanctuary.eu/index.php?wap2) with a phone? Will it pertain to the site's data or to the forum's?
Title: Re: Forum Stats
Post by: Frenzie on 2014-02-28, 12:08:19
Can be done or none?

I don't believe so.

For example, if I visit the forum this way (https://dndsanctuary.eu/index.php?wap2) with a phone? Will it pertain to the site's data or to the forum's?

That'll make no difference.
Title: Male to Female Ratio
Post by: Banned Member on 2014-03-05, 08:31:45
Couldn't find that thread, think this'll be o'k.
Quote from: Stst.Centa
Male to Female Ratio: 20.5:1

We'd better do something about it?;)
(:sst:BTW, who's that half-a-man?(https://dndsanctuary.eu/Smileys/default/huh.gif))
Title: Re: Male to Female Ratio
Post by: Banned Member on 2014-03-05, 10:46:20
Couldn't find that thread, think this'll be o'k.
I've found it:
https://dndsanctuary.eu/index.php?topic=70.0
Title: Re: Forum Stats
Post by: Banned Member on 2014-03-19, 13:11:02
"The Lounge" celebrates its 7000:
Quote from: Index
7000 Posts
35 Topics
:)
Title: Re: Forum Stats
Post by: Frenzie on 2014-03-19, 18:06:12
Hip hip hurray!  :hat:
Title: Re: Forum Stats
Post by: string on 2014-03-21, 15:58:59
I noticed that the level of "New Members" in Forum Stats for 2014 stands at 91!

An algorithm must be wrong somewhere unless some sign in and then resign.
Title: Re: Forum Stats
Post by: Banned Member on 2014-03-21, 16:00:28
Apart from members and sockpuppets, we obviously must hold some... GHOSTS! :yikes:
Title: Re: Forum Stats
Post by: Banned Member on 2014-04-17, 13:42:41
Quote from: Index
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Discuss political madness, orchestrate grand religious debates, explore urban development potential, you name it.
5469 Posts
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:beer:
Title: Re: Forum Stats
Post by: Frenzie on 2014-04-17, 15:33:17
An algorithm must be wrong somewhere unless some sign in and then resign.

More likely I probably banned a bunch of those "doctors" with spam signatures. For a little while there we had a new one each day. (Never posted though.)
Title: Re: Forum Stats
Post by: Banned Member on 2014-04-17, 15:42:57
But we had one craving to give us some food, no?:)
Title: Re: Forum Stats
Post by: Frenzie on 2014-04-17, 17:56:28
I wasn't around to see it. :)

(Also, I don't even know why I'd want to buy a Kerala masala online.   :ninja:)
Title: Re: Forum Stats
Post by: Banned Member on 2014-04-17, 20:24:41
:lol:
Title: Re: Forum Stats
Post by: Banned Member on 2014-04-21, 15:25:22
Quote from: Forum Stats

17852 Posts in 300 Topics by...
:cheers: :hat: :wizard: :dance:
Title: requesting browser stats one more time
Post by: ersi on 2014-05-04, 19:01:42
In old Opera forums, they provided a third-party service so bloggers could get some idea of their followers, amount of clicks, location and browser stats. Probably a third-party tracker is not what we want here, but shouldn't some kind of script be possible to do, a script that accumulates data? The stats may not be possible to integrate with the stats page, but how about publishing them for each month for example in this thread? We are in several senses a browser forum after all.
Title: Re: Forum Stats
Post by: Frenzie on 2014-05-04, 20:13:58
These are the stats for April 2014.

Code: [Select]
Windows	438,672	74.3 %
Linux 106,646 18 %
Macintosh 22,317 3.7 %
BSD 17,527 2.9 %
Unknown 3,510 0.5 %
Java Mobile 678 0.1 %
Unknown Unix system 205 0 %
Nintendo Wii 123 0 %
BlackBerry 27 0 %
Sun Solaris 25 0 %


Code: [Select]
Opera	No	348,157	59 %
Google Chrome No 104,095 17.6 %
Firefox No 89,239 15.1 %
Safari No 28,787 4.8 %
LG (PDA/Phone browser) No 10,283 1.7 %
Mozilla No 3,972 0.6 %
MS Internet Explorer No 2,903 0.4 %
Konqueror No 482 0 %
Android browser (PDA/Phone browser) No 477 0 %
ELinks No 452 0 %


Glancing over at the IE version breakdown, I noticed something interesting about IE6:
Code: [Select]
Msie 10.0	No	174	0 %	
Msie 9.0 No 277 0 %
Msie 8.0 No 736 0.1 %
Msie 7.0 No 232 0 %
Msie 6.0 No 1,480 0.2 %
Msie 5.0 No 1 0 %
Msie ? No 3 0 %


NB Otter is probably counted as Chrome or Safari. So is Opera 15+.
Title: Re: Forum Stats
Post by: ersi on 2014-05-05, 04:32:43
Thanks for the stats, Frenzie.

NB Otter is probably counted as Chrome or Safari. So is Opera 15+.

Yes, I also saw Otter has only mask identifiers out of the box, no unique identifier. But the prevalence of Windows is interesting, given that the poll in my OS thread implies a more even breakdown.

Can I copy/cite these stats in the OS thread as I feel like?

Re IE6: Maybe something masking as such again?
Title: Re: Forum Stats
Post by: Frenzie on 2014-05-05, 07:22:04
Can I copy/cite these stats in the OS thread as I feel like?

Sure.
Title: Re: Forum Stats
Post by: Macallan on 2014-05-05, 11:36:42

Code: [Select]
BSD	17,527	2.9 %

I guess that's just me :insane:


Code: [Select]
Konqueror	No	482	0 %

And I keep konqueror around as backup in case FF acts up :right:
Title: Re: Forum Stats
Post by: Banned Member [2] on 2014-05-05, 12:58:20
Ersi, your poll is not very well done in the first place. Anyway it's supposed to count per user, not per time or visits, so...
Title: Re: Forum Stats
Post by: jax on 2014-05-05, 13:26:10


Code: [Select]
BSD	17,527	2.9 %

I guess that's just me :insane:

Probably, unless there is a secret BSD admirer.

I assume Android is "Linux", as I should have a few hits with Opera Mini/Android, and I don't think I am alone in this.
Title: Re: Forum Stats
Post by: ersi on 2014-05-05, 14:16:01
There's "Android browser", probably the stock browser of Android devices. There's also a separate "LG" thingy. What's that?

"Opera" is probably lumped together from desktops and phones/palm devices. I use both desktop and mobile Opera. I also use FF, Seamonkey, Elinks, Otter (masked as Chrome) and Konqueror to access this site. And I'm surely forgetting something.
Title: Re: Forum Stats
Post by: Frenzie on 2014-05-05, 14:35:49
There's "Android browser", probably the stock browser of Android devices. There's also a separate "LG" thingy. What's that?

I don't know, but I would assume it's an LG fork of either stock Android or Chrome (or both; these things change over time).
Title: Re: Forum Stats
Post by: Emdek on 2014-05-22, 10:40:18
@ersi, I know some script to collect stats... ;-)
In most cases Otter will end up being detected as Safari (like most of browsers that use WebKit).
It should be unique enough:
Quote
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/538.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Otter/0.9.01-dev Safari/538.1
Title: Re: Forum Stats
Post by: Frenzie on 2014-05-22, 13:03:35
It's AWStats, but the specifics are out of my control.
Title: Re: Forum Stats
Post by: Emdek on 2014-05-22, 17:59:48
@Frenzie, these are still alive? :-D
We could always mod forum to store UA of each post, I've done such mod for phpBB and PunBB, using assets and data from my statistics.
Title: Re: Forum Stats
Post by: Frenzie on 2014-05-22, 19:29:42
Sure, someone already made one. I added it to the site as a trial right now. I'll add in support for Otter myself if I decide I like it. (Or I could just make it display the plain user agent without any processing. Or keep it secret… or…)
Title: Re: Forum Stats
Post by: Belfrager on 2014-05-22, 21:01:28
A thing appeared bellow my flag. OS and Browser I use.
What is that for? I know perfectly what I use.
Title: Re: Forum Stats
Post by: Frenzie on 2014-05-23, 05:18:08
I thought it might be fun. It can disappear as quickly as it appeared.
Title: Re: Forum Stats
Post by: Emdek on 2014-05-23, 05:51:30
@Frenzie, I would go for smaller icons (16 x 16), skip labels (these could be shown on click using alert, along full UA string) and place them somewhere else, to take less space.
Title: Re: Forum Stats
Post by: Belfrager on 2014-05-23, 08:54:45
I thought it might be fun.

Well... it sure adds a bit of color to otherwise monochromatic posters posts :)
Title: Re: Forum Stats
Post by: ersi on 2014-05-23, 09:42:53
Right now I see the browser and OS beside my most recent posts. I guess it emerged today. This is a Good Thing!!!
Title: Re: Forum Stats
Post by: Frenzie on 2014-05-23, 09:43:36

@Frenzie, I would go for smaller icons (16 x 16), skip labels (these could be shown on click using alert, along full UA string) and place them somewhere else, to take less space.

Yup, all things I'd consider. :)


Right now I see the browser and OS beside my most recent posts. I guess it emerged today. This is a Good Thing!!!

Well, it's good as long as you ignore the "Safari" that Emdek's using. :P
Title: Re: Forum Stats
Post by: ersi on 2014-05-23, 12:50:01
No matter what people are using, it's good to advertise these techy bits of our little personalities. It fits the character of the forum.

If Belfrager is overly alarmed at this element, give users an option to turn this infobit off in user settings. But the default should be as it is now.
Title: Re: Forum Stats
Post by: Frenzie on 2014-05-23, 18:01:06
Huh, this is odd. The system doesn't seem to recognize my Linux:

Code: [Select]
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/538.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Otter/0.9.01-dev Safari/538.1


Remind me in July if I didn't get around to fixing up some code. I'm still fairly busy throughout most of June (albeit not quite as busy as in May).

@Emdek
Is such a messy UA really necessary, btw? It's kind of headache inducing. :P
Title: Re: Forum Stats
Post by: Emdek on 2014-05-23, 19:15:58
@Frenzie, yes, this is how it's supposed to be, it's used by all WebKit based browsers.
It could be worse. ;-)
Quote
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Ubuntu Chromium/34.0.1847.116 Chrome/34.0.1847.116 Safari/537.36


You don't need to check whole UA, it's enough to check for:
Code: [Select]
Otter/([\w\.]+)

And always run checks in correct order (Chrome and Safari always at end).
Title: Re: Forum Stats
Post by: ersi on 2014-05-23, 19:27:25
Android detection would also be a good addition. But the profile button next to each post is unnecessary. Nicknames already take to the profile.
Title: Re: Forum Stats
Post by: Emdek on 2014-05-23, 19:45:12
@ersi, or it could be modified, as on some other forum I'm using, clicking nickname adds it to reply field.
Quite useful. ;-)
Title: Re: Forum Stats
Post by: Frenzie on 2014-05-23, 19:46:51
And always run checks in correct order (Chrome and Safari always at end).

I'm really not interested in writing my own UA interpreting script — except for adding Otter if I'll keep the display this way. :) I'm partial to just a plain UA string, myself. :D

Android detection would also be a good addition.

It's already there in the code (https://dndsanctuary.eu/index.php?topic=29.msg20373#msg20373). It must be something about your user agent. Presumably Settings > Advanced > User Agent is set to Desktop, making the lack of Android detection quite intentional.

PS I don't have a convenient way to see the actual user agent atm.
Title: Re: Forum Stats
Post by: ersi on 2014-05-24, 04:07:11

Android detection would also be a good addition.

It's already there in the code (https://dndsanctuary.eu/index.php?topic=29.msg20373#msg20373). It must be something about your user agent. Presumably Settings > Advanced > User Agent is set to Desktop, making the lack of Android detection quite intentional.

Hey, you're right. I've set my mobile Opera to identify as Desktop, because some sites fed me their crappy mobile versions. Must keep this in mind when visiting this forum.

@Emdek
Yes, if the button threw the nick into the text area, that would be absolutely fabulous.
Title: Re: Forum Stats
Post by: Frenzie on 2014-05-24, 07:39:10
@Emdek
Yes, if the button threw the nick into the text area, that would be absolutely fabulous.

So you would like it to produce something like "@Emdek"?
Title: Re: Forum Stats
Post by: ersi on 2014-05-24, 15:11:25
Yes, I think people would appreciate it a little. I personally am mostly on a browser that doesn't do javascript :)
Title: Re: Forum Stats
Post by: Emdek on 2014-05-24, 15:25:24
@ersi, AFAIR at least one console browser does it just enough so in theory it might work there (as long as it speaks DOM ;-)), isn't that ELinks?
Title: Re: Forum Stats
Post by: ersi on 2014-06-25, 04:36:30
Elinks does javascript when you compile it that way according to some instructions out of my power http://elinks.or.cz/documentation/html/manual.html-chunked/ch01s06.html

Maybe my version came with some of it pre-compiled. I haven't checked. I don't know or care. On some sites I see the warning that javascript is not working, but this may also be because display:none and collapse tricks are not working here.