Let's have a topic on what each of us needs to make Otter our primary and only web browser.
To me, all I need is this:
https://github.com/OtterBrowser/otter-browser/issues/892
Something that is not a requirement for me but I would still like it is a fix for this:
https://github.com/OtterBrowser/otter-browser/issues/890
I think it would be better to name the requirement (and add a link for detailed information if necessary).
For me those requirements are:
- mail-client
- password manager
- better download dialog (enabling me to alternatively open the file)
- dropdown functionality of the backwards icon
- less program crashes
- solving the connection problem (I suppose that's to do with qt5): when I get disconnected because of provider problems otter after reestablishing the connection often cannot be used anymore until after the next boot (Error 8: The specified configuration cannot be used.).
Otter has become already decently stable and recommendable for people who don't do too much with the browser, i.e. it's good for general browsing, okay for watching YT&FB, works for logging in and out of banking sites.
I'd like to see some things mentioned here, such as a password manager, history list in Back and Forward buttons, and other things Opera used to have. And occasional cookie/connection problems solved in some sites that require login.
I'd very much like to see content blocking by element. EU has made a stupid and evil decision: They demand websites to launch a script about accepting cookies. Accepting cookies is rationally a client decision, not website decision. The accept-cookies script, e.g. in Google Maps, makes website content jump and interferes heavily with browsing experience. To get rid of this major annoyance, it's absolutely vital to have content blocking by element, to block specific scripts and other elements.
It's very sad that every time when users gain a method to browse conveniently, web designers invent new methods to annoy users. For example, when browsers began including popup killers, web designers invented pop-in scripts, things that jump into your face in the web content, not outside the frame as the original popups did.
So, things are getting worse and content blocking by element is needed. And Opera had it: Right-click, Block content, and select the blockable elements. Very convenient and perfectly user-friendly. And perhaps one of the reasons why Opera was seen as a threat to global web-marketing and killed off.
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- password manager
- better download dialog (enabling me to alternatively open the file)
- dropdown functionality of the backwards icon
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Hi,
I think, some of the mentioned features are already usable
- browsing history in the backward/forward icons is available on clicking and holding left mouse button over them
- there are some actions in the context menu (right mouse button) in the download dialog
There is work in progress in some of the mentioned areas (password manager).
I would join the request for an element-wise blocker or a wildcard-based blocker like in classic Opera.
regards,
vbr
What do i need? I need adblockplus support (or other advertisement blocking tool ). Also it would be very good to add turbo mode support like in Opera (I know that it will be technically hard).
I found that there's a special adblock list that specialises on EU cookie popups/popins https://raw.githubusercontent.com/liamja/Prebake/master/obtrusive.txt
@timur
Do you know how to subscribe to adblock lists? I have described the procedure on these forums earlier, but it's a bit outdated now.
I found that there's a special adblock list that specialises on EU cookie popups/popins https://raw.githubusercontent.com/liamja/Prebake/master/obtrusive.txt
@timur
Do you know how to subscribe to adblock lists? I have described the procedure on these forums earlier, but it's a bit outdated now.
Does it mean that Otter has adblock by default and i can use it with special adblock lists like in adblockplus? If so it is great!
Do you mean this: https://dndsanctuary.eu/index.php?topic=469.0
P.S Finally i use a nickname after so little time. :-)
@Epic
This https://dndsanctuary.eu/index.php?topic=357.msg29299#msg29299
The differences now:
- the folder in otter profile is blocking instead of "adblock"
- the file name in profile is contentBlocking.ini instead of "adblock.ini"
- the formatting inside the ini file is different
Hopefully you can figure it out :)
@Epic
This https://dndsanctuary.eu/index.php?topic=357.msg29299#msg29299
The differences now:
- the folder in otter profile is blocking instead of "adblock"
- the file name in profile is contentBlocking.ini instead of "adblock.ini"
- the formatting inside the ini file is different
Hopefully you can figure it out :)
Thanks for the information! Otter browser is better with every new release! While others shows ads even in browsers (like in the lastest Firefox release), Otter helps to block it. Now we have the very good free software web browser. So i'm waiting for the first stable version.
P.S I can uderstand it but it would be better to create the graphical tool for adblocking.
- browsing history in the backward/forward icons is available on clicking and holding left mouse button over them
Thanks, I didn't know that. So it's already one less on my list.
- there are some actions in the context menu (right mouse button) in the download dialog
The context menu does not offer anything useful in my opinion. The possibility to open a pdf-file (to name the most important example) is simply lacking. You have to save and then open the pdf.
The context menu does not offer anything useful in my opinion. The possibility to open a pdf-file (to name the most important example) is simply lacking. You have to save and then open the pdf.
Sorry for the misunderstanding, I was thinking about the transfers page, which obviously only work for already downloaded/saved files. From there the files can be run via doubleclick or context menu action.
I agree, that the ability to save the file internally to a temporary location and open it directly would be an useful addition.
vbr
My own request in this thread about element blocking was probably not quite reasonable. Adblock rules are fairly flexible and Otter already has this. But somehow adblock rules don't get everywhere. I was wrestling with a nasty script that refused to get blocked. Finally a CSS rule did something.
A stable and secure browser without any interests in my personal data as well as a support of Chrome or preferred Mozilla Firefox Add-Ons - in order to use for instance EFF's https-everywhere.
I am impressed by the continuous progress of your browser!
@bluedragon77, the latter issue will require mature QtWebEngine backend, they are working on that issue right now, so it should be ready for Qt 5.6 (around January).
password manager
In progress, but I'm not 100% sure if it will make it into next beta.
better download dialog (enabling me to alternatively open the file)
Already done.
@py-thon, which Qt version are you using?
The last issue is this:
https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-46542
@ersi, some rules aren't supported yet, was that something "standard"?
Otter has become already decently stable and recommendable for people who don't do too much with the browser, i.e. it's good for general browsing, okay for watching YT&FB, works for logging in and out of banking sites.
It doesn't work for my bank, First Direct. Click on the "Internet Banking" link at the top of the page and it just opens a tab with text in. Works fine in Chrome, Firefox and qupzilla (my current browser of choice)
Also clicking on magnet links returns a protocol error "Error 301 Protocol "magnet" is unknown"
These are the two show stoppers for me.
@Emdek
I am still using 5.4.2, the latest in Debian Testing (I know I could get a newer version somehow, but with my recently unstable connection I am glad to get the basics done).
The mentioned bug seems similar, even though I am not really roaming between different access points. But I am assigned a different IP each time I connect.
But this is only one of the two problems. Sometimes, mostly when after establishing a connection I don't use it instantly with Otter (but with other programs like Opera or Synaptic) I can't use it with Otter (say 15 minutes later). Otter just doesn't send or receive anything but gives no error message.
I need tab groups like Opera's.
@ersi, some rules aren't supported yet, was that something "standard"?
To be clear, I was struggling with Adblock in another browser. I wanted to block a specific script file, but Adblock simply refused to block it no matter how I wrote the rules.
As far as I can determine, there seems to be a deliberate backdoor in Adblock. The only way to block the popup (hide it) was a CSS rule. I'd say it's a nonstandard case. Adblock principles look great, but some specific scripts remain unblocked even when you write the direct URL that should be blocked. This is what I call a backdoor.
I tried blocking the script on the website with Otter too right now. Exactly the same thing as with the other browser: Only userCSS hides the popup.
This thread is about the issue https://dndsanctuary.eu/index.php?topic=1455.0
I'm already using Otter for like 20-30% of my browsing. The progress in the last months has been amazing!
It will become my primary browser as soon as it gets password manager, "click tab to minimize" and address bar completion. In fact, I think with only the first two (which I know are coming quite soon) I'll already make it primary, although the address bar completion would help for recommending it to other people as it's something people expect.
What I need is better keyboard control:
- follow hints (https://github.com/OtterBrowser/otter-browser/issues/744)
- spatial navigation (https://github.com/OtterBrowser/otter-browser/issues/119)
- incremental link search (https://github.com/OtterBrowser/otter-browser/issues/309)
- sequential link navigation (Opera's Q/A shortcuts)
- form navigation (TAB only moves between form elements, not links)
Honestly, until there is some form of keyboard-based browsing, I won't even use Otter at all.
What I need is better keyboard control:
- sequential link navigation (Opera's Q/A shortcuts)
Do you mean the way Opera could jump for example from a heading to heading and between other HTML elements? I also miss this, but surprisingly even console browsers do not offer this. Not that I know of anyway.
What I need is better keyboard control:
- sequential link navigation (Opera's Q/A shortcuts)
Do you mean the way Opera could jump for example from a heading to heading and between other HTML elements? I also miss this, but surprisingly even console browsers do not offer this. Not that I know of anyway.
I meant the navigation from one link to the next. I used that all the time in Opera, especially when spatial navigation broke down.
I only used the other element-navigation shortcuts (e.g. heading to heading) very occasionally.
@mgraham, QtWebKit has built-in spatial navigation although it requires some JS to set initial focus to correct element etc.
This is the part that we are currently missing.
@mgraham, QtWebKit has built-in spatial navigation although it requires some JS to set initial focus to correct element etc.
This is the part that we are currently missing.
I've used QtWebKit's built-in spatial navigation with qutebrowser. As it stands, it has quite a few usability problems:
- It is almost impossible to see the currently selected link (maybe this can be fixed with CSS?)
- Can't open links in the background, or in a new tab
- Doesn't open pull-down menus
- doesn't handle form elements nearly as well as Opera does
QtWebKit's built-in spatial navigation isn't good enough to be a primary mode of navigation. I don't think I would be able to use qutebrowser for mouse-less browsing if it didn't also have the "follow hints" feature.
- It is almost impossible to see the currently selected link (maybe this can be fixed with CSS?)
Yeah, or drawing some border on top of web view (we can fetch link geometry).
- Can't open links in the background, or in a new tab
That is weird, should be easy to do.
- Doesn't open pull-down menus
It's WebKit limitation, probably for security reasons.
What I'm missing from old Opera:
- left "window" opend when clicking on left browser border with RSS and download manager
- full support of standards (HTML5?)
What I'm not missing from old Opera:
- e-mail client - web e-mail clients now are so good (in example gmail) that there is no need of local software for this
What I like in Otter:
- when I use CTRL + TAB then bookmarks are sorted like in old Opera -> oldest opened are first - I love it!!!
left "window" opend when clicking on left browser border with RSS and download manager
You can show that toggle by enabling this option in
about:config:
Sidebar/ShowToggleEdge, although RSS listing won't be available until RSS client will be ready.
>being able to skip and delete words using cntrl+arrows and cntrl+back
>being able to import from opera
>tab stacking pls
>there is no dictionary integrated of any language
>tab stacking pls
I thought I was all alone hehe :eyes:
>being able to skip and delete words using cntrl+arrows and cntrl+back
Damn, I thought that this one was already fixed.
>being able to import from opera
There are already numerous importers available, more to come.
>tab stacking pls
Should be ready before end of the year.
>there is no dictionary integrated of any language
Planned.
>tab stacking pls
Should be ready before end of the year.
:yes:
I'd like to ask for some more prominent documentation for the customisation features in OtterBrowser.
If i understand it correctly, there are currently several customisation features already available (besides the visible settings gui) - e.g. via json files for toolbars, possibly menus or context menus etc.
Is there maybe some API specification of the respective files, supported object or function names etc,?
I believe, it might be possible to infer something from the sources etc., but a more visible documentation of these features might be useful. or am i possibly missing some already available documents?
regards,
vbr
Yes, there is some documentation (https://github.com/OtterBrowser/otter-browser/wiki/Actions).
You can customize toolbars, menus, etc. by creating .json files in your config directory. The default .json files can be found in the source code (https://github.com/OtterBrowser/otter-browser/tree/master/resources).
Thank you very much for the helpful references. The available customisation options seem to be even more powerful, than I expected in some aspects.
Now, I was trying to add an option to a link context menu to open the link in a private tab, but I can't find the respective function item. Is there maybe something like OpenLinkInNew*Private*Tab (?) (possibly also with a private window as well as the background variants)?
thanks and regards,
vbr
.../config/menu/webWidget.json (https://github.com/OtterBrowser/otter-browser/blob/master/resources/menu/webWidget.json):
"type": "include",
"includeIn": "link",
"actions":
[
[...]
"OpenLinkInNewPrivateTab",
"OpenLinkInNewPrivateTabBackground",
"OpenLinkInNewPrivateWindow",
"OpenLinkInNewPrivateWindowBackground",
[...]
But I'm not sure they are really working properly. I'll let Emdek provide a more authoritative answer.
Thanks for the promt response - the respective context menu items are added as expected - I can even see the correct translated versions in my localisation - however, the panes or windows don't really seem to be "private" - e.g. when used in this forum, my login credentials are kept. (On the other hand, if I create a new private pane and just copy and paste the address, I get the expected "Guest" login.)
Thanks again;
vbr
Yes, I tried it on these forums and noticed that too. That's why I said I'm not sure they're working properly.
I've reported the issue here (https://github.com/OtterBrowser/otter-browser/issues/944).
I need rss feeds. I notice the rss icon inside the adress field right now but don't know how to use it.
Also an integrated English corrector when typing would be nice.
Thanks
I need rss feeds. I notice the rss icon inside the adress field right now but don't know how to use it.
Also an integrated English corrector when typing would be nice.
Thanks
It's unformatted for now. For now it basically only shows that an RSS feed is there.
I'd like it to scan for RSS feeds from the same domain inside the webpage too, not only by looking for
link rel="alternate" type="application/rss+xml".
I'd like it to scan for RSS feeds from the same domain inside the webpage too, not only by looking for link rel="alternate" type="application/rss+xml".
At the very least it also looks for Atom feeds. But what do you mean exactly?
I'd like it to scan for RSS feeds from the same domain inside the webpage too, not only by looking for link rel="alternate" type="application/rss+xml".
At the very least it also looks for Atom feeds. But what do you mean exactly?
Sometimes the link to RSS feed is on the webpage (in the body), not as link rel in the head.
Anyway, I tried right now and it looks like it works already in Otter. Probably a property of the web engine. I think this is a proper test page, if I am seeing right view-source:http://sverigesradio.se/sida/default.aspx?programid=2358
That page contains what it should:
<link rel="alternate" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://api.sr.se/api/rss/program/2358?format=109" title="Prenumerera på Öppet API via RSS" />
I don't know how good of an idea it would be to scan the page for links that say something like "RSS" or "feed".
I need rss feeds. I notice the rss icon inside the adress field right now but don't know how to use it.
Also an integrated English corrector when typing would be nice.
Both are planned and doable (although QtWebEngine doesn't support spell checking API yet).
@ersi,
@Frenzie, we are using this rule to fetch links:
a[type="application/atom+xml"], a[type="application/rss+xml"], link[type="application/atom+xml"], link[type="application/rss+xml"]
That page contains what it should:
<link rel="alternate" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://api.sr.se/api/rss/program/2358?format=109" title="Prenumerera på Öppet API via RSS" />
Sorry. I am being increasingly too hasty and superficial in my technological routines. I have to pull myself together :(
I don't know how good of an idea it would be to scan the page for links that say something like "RSS" or "feed".
I understand it's not so simple. Now I took a look (hopefully accurately) at the link that I meant and it looks like
<a href="http://api.sr.se/api/rss/group/16907" class="prkbtn prkbtn--icon">
i.e. no clue what to grab from there. Simply
rss would yield too many false positives. To look for more reliable indicators of RSS feeds would miss too many true positives. To implement a robot to verify all links to see if any of them returns an RSS feed would be both resource heavy and undesirable for other reasons. All these are worthless options.
I also took a look at how Mozilla does it, and I found that there are extensions to detect RSS links inside webpages, so apparently Mozilla actually doesn't do it out of the box, even though occasionally it seems to me that it does. Must be because I keep overlooking details.
My request was pointless. The current rule for RSS detection is okay. Sorry for bothering.
@ersi, @Frenzie, we are using this rule to fetch links:
That's pretty good, but note that it will miss out on feeds that are in the application/rdf+xml format. Also note that people can make mistakes and checking for e.g.
a[type*=atom], a[type*=rss], a[type*=rdf], link[type*=atom], link[type*=rss], link[type*=rdf] could be an option. But I'd need a way to search e.g. Google by HTML to know that kind of thing for sure. In any case, application/rdf+xml should be added to the mix.
I also took a look at how Mozilla does it, and I found that there are extensions to detect RSS links inside webpages, so apparently Mozilla actually doesn't do it out of the box, even though occasionally it seems to me that it does. Must be because I keep overlooking details.
Firefox actually originated the newsfeed icon, but in the post-Firefox 4 world they decided it was much too useful to keep.
>Being able to tell where the music/sound/etc is playing
(https://dndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Feasycaptures.com%2Ffs%2Fuploaded%2F966%2F8944410669.png&hash=2621798c662934a06b7a3c368585ae04" rel="cached" data-hash="2621798c662934a06b7a3c368585ae04" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/966/8944410669.png)
>Better default icons (my opinion. Don't know if someone else agrees with me)
>Being able to change the text rendering, not just the size
(https://dndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Feasycaptures.com%2Ffs%2Fuploaded%2F966%2F8770278623.png&hash=2f752d2de169f89b142262c4ba2a482b" rel="cached" data-hash="2f752d2de169f89b142262c4ba2a482b" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/966/8770278623.png)
(I really don't like the looks of this)
>Sidetabs option
>Better default icons (my opinion. Don't know if someone else agrees with me)
This is probably mostly a platform-integration issue. On my Linux, the majority of the icons is taken from my global icon theme. However, on Windows (especially 8 and 10, I suppose) they kind of stand out.
>Being able to change the text rendering, not just the size
Text rendering is an OS thing. For Windows, try searching for "ClearType" in the start menu.
Text rendering is an OS thing. For Windows, try searching for "ClearType" in the start menu.
Hi, just to make sure, I am not missing something obvious - is there ClearType support in Otter, or can it be enabled in some way? It appears to me, this feature is not active (e.g. comparing to classic Opera or other applications that presumably utilise ClearType (this is on Win XP SP3 with ClearType enabled, using Otter - weekly 90). Thanks and regards,
vbr
>Being able to change the text rendering, not just the size
Text rendering is an OS thing. For Windows, try searching for "ClearType" in the start menu.
http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/967/2414302030.png (http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/967/2414302030.png)
I don't know how much cleartype affects the browser but zooming, changing the font and size of the letters doesn't seem to help (to make the second page look better).
Is there an option I am unaware of?
EDIT: nvmd, I just needed to try more fonts. It looks good now:
(https://dndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Feasycaptures.com%2Ffs%2Fuploaded%2F967%2F7357375109.png&hash=43da009c14e26d022eb5dc198a8ae10d" rel="cached" data-hash="43da009c14e26d022eb5dc198a8ae10d" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/967/7357375109.png)
Configuration (in case that someone wants it)
(https://dndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Feasycaptures.com%2Ffs%2Fuploaded%2F967%2F3445646805.png&hash=e1b002bf4ac144d4201455c16519f3d8" rel="cached" data-hash="e1b002bf4ac144d4201455c16519f3d8" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/967/3445646805.png)
(It's in spanish but I doubt that the UI order is any different from the english one)
I guess that the only thing that I need now are better default fonts
>Being able to tell where the music/sound/etc is playing
We will expose it as soon as backend will support that, maybe QtWebEngine will have such ability in the future.
>Better default icons (my opinion. Don't know if someone else agrees with me)
I guess that we could experiment with another source for icons, Oxygen is being replaced by Breeze anyway...
>Sidetabs option
Side tabs? What are these?
Hi, just to make sure, I am not missing something obvious - is there ClearType support in Otter, or can it be enabled in some way?
I've found this:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2988449/does-qt-use-cleartype-for-rendering-text-in-windows
I guess that the only thing that I need now are better default fonts
Perhaps setting defaults depending on platform could be a good idea.
Side tabs? What are these?
Basically the option to move the menu to where you desire
(https://dndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theeldergeek.com%2Fimages%2FHT2_009%2FSP32-20040722-090234.gif&hash=cd27643385908d9565cc46c4d8118782" rel="cached" data-hash="cd27643385908d9565cc46c4d8118782" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://www.theeldergeek.com/images/HT2_009/SP32-20040722-090234.gif)
I doubt that barely anyone would like to move the location bar to the right or left so I recommend to be left apart when you move it
Basically the option to move the menu to where you desire
You can already move global toolbars (except menu bar) to any edge, isn't that what are you looking for?
Basically the option to move the menu to where you desire
You can already move global toolbars (except menu bar) to any edge, isn't that what are you looking for?
Holy crap, I never noticed; But it seems that you can't change the size, or am I ignoring something?
it seems that you can't change the size, or am I ignoring something?
The size of what exactly?
You can change the icon size which sets the height of any *bar (right-click > Configure... > Icon size). Further configuration is expected to be available in the first stable release (https://github.com/OtterBrowser/otter-browser/blob/master/TODO).
-Sidebar does not auto-close when opening a bookmark from the sidebar. There could be a button (on the top of the sidebar?) to switch the auto-close behavior on/off)
-When closing a tab, the one to the right should be activated, not the parent one. This lack doubles the click actions for me.
Sidebar does not auto-close when opening a bookmark from the sidebar. There could be a button (on the top of the sidebar?) to switch the auto-close behavior on/off)
I haven't heard about this workflow, is it supposed to work that way always?
When closing a tab, the one to the right should be activated, not the parent one. This lack doubles the click actions for me.
Right now it always switches to previously active tab, I'm planning to allow to specify behavior, but for now we are limited by offerings of
QTabBar...
Not sure if this is the right place, but compared to a year ago, Otter is already my main browser. :-) The speed en relative small size, combined with the Opera-like interface and currently no obvious memory leaks, makes it a winner in my book (both Mozilla (Firefox/Iceweasel etc.) and later Opera versions had memory leaks when you closed tabs and especially web pages with lots of javascript (gmail and facebook, in my case), would sometimes over time use so much RAM that I had to kill it from the terminal to get my PC to respond again. I sometimes use Pale Moon for those website that require a more Mozilla-like browser or Tor Browser for my banking and other sensitive cases. I would like to be able to import my Opera sessions, though... no longer using Opera for anything much, but the ability to store and restore different sessions, is one of my favourite Opera features. It looks like Otter has the same feature working, but it would be nice if I could import my existing Opera sessions, like I can my Opera bookmarks.
Talking of Tor Browser (I know there used to be a portable app Tor Opera browser), it would be nice as an option if the private tabs had an option (in advanced preferences?) to use Tor instead of just locally deleting the history and clearing the cache.
Emdek, just a question. This is not a show stopper for me, but another nice to have... how easy/difficult is it implement the Opera "skins API" or something similar? Getting users to develop their own skins (and being able to download some nifty ones from some very artistic people) was a nice feature about Opera for me. However, I would not like it if it would make the browser slower or use too much extra RAM. I still remember the small and fast Opera from the 1990's. :-)
@Chavoux, there was some initial work on importing Opera sessions, but we want to cleanup generic mechanism first, before adding new importers.
If someone would be able to prepare support for TOR then we could consider it, but I'm not sure if it is doable, especially for backends other than QtWebKit...
Skinning is not easy thing to do, still needs some research:
https://github.com/OtterBrowser/otter-browser/issues/36
Right now you can use Qt stylesheets, like this:
https://github.com/mervick/Qt-Creator-Darcula
Just grab CSS file and select it in Advanced Preferences.
While extremely powerful it comes with a price, it's slower to render than native QStyle.
Tor Browser for my banking and other sensitive cases.
Purpose of Tor is to hide your identity.
Wonder how convenient it is to hide your identity from your banking site where you have to log in anyway.
Talking of Tor Browser (I know there used to be a portable app Tor Opera browser), it would be nice as an option if the private tabs had an option (in advanced preferences?) to use Tor instead of just locally deleting the history and clearing the cache.
I'm afraid there is a misconception about what a Tor Browser is.
It's nothing else than a bundle of a browser and Tor.
Only difference is that the respective browser is trimmed for privacy. Hence many default settings are modified.
That's also the reason why you can also download the expert bundle of Tor. This is only Tor (not bundled with a browser), assuming that the user is 'expert' enough to trim his browser's settings for privacy.
Basically you can use any browser that supports proxies and SOCKS with Tor. The two, are different software and independent to each other.
The browser will comunicate through a local port (it was set for) and Tor will listen on that port forwarding incoming and outgoing requests.
Speaking of browsers...
Lately browsers get 'enhanced' with tons of new features which are poison for privacy. Some of those features are praised as usability features, even so I can hardly see any relation to usability. Instead, many of those features can be used for tracking/fingerprinting.
If such obscure 'features' get implemented without the respective setting to turn it off, there is nothing even an 'expert' user can do about.
Lately browsers get 'enhanced' with tons of new features which are poison for privacy. Some of those features are praised as usability features, even so I can hardly see any relation to usability. Instead, many of those features can be used for tracking/fingerprinting.
If such obscure 'features' get implemented without the respective setting to turn it off, there is nothing even an 'expert' user can do about.
Indeed, but in most cases private mode is sufficient.
Also we have this ticket:
https://github.com/OtterBrowser/otter-browser/issues/27
But so far nobody worked on that...
Anyway, if SOCKS proxy is enough then it should be enough to create custom profile that sets it to use TOR and set it to permanently use private mode.
Anyway, if SOCKS proxy is enough then it should be enough to create custom profile that sets it to use TOR and set it to permanently use private mode.
Exactly.
BTW, Cross-browser fingerprinting test 2.0 (http://fingerprint.pet-portal.eu/?menu=1) failed here.
The project was an interesting one but died before getting the chance to fledge.
Hi Krake,
Purpose of Tor is to hide your identity.
Wonder how convenient it is to hide your identity from your banking site where you have to log in anyway.
The main reason I use TOR is not to hide my identity from the bank, but to hide the fact that I am connecting to my bank from the local network administrators (or whoever else on the LAN that could capture packets). In one of my previous jobs they installed some kind of spyware that tracks all web sites that you visit without telling us. If they are sneaky enough to do that, I do not trust them with knowing when I connect to my bank or any other confidential sites.
I realize that I can set up Otter to use TOR manually; I just thought it would be a nice touch to add it as default for private mode.
Basically you can use any browser that supports proxies and SOCKS with Tor. The two, are different software and independent to each other.
The browser will communicate through a local port (it was set for) and Tor will listen on that port forwarding incoming and outgoing requests.
OK, I just thought that the TOR port was a standard port, so on the browser side you would only have to set the browser to use that port when in private mode. But if I would need to set the local TOR port manually in any case, it doesn't make sense to have it as an automatic option for Otter. Thanks for the explanation. :)