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Forum Administration / Re: What's in a Name?
So, more or less, don't quote the whole thing unless absolutely unavoidable, always credit the source, always respect the source's license. IANAL either.
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Forum Administration / Re: Moderation

Maybe I'm naive but I think most moderating here will be cleaning up after spam bots.

Same here. At least in our main sections, the moderation policy is extremely liberal.

Yeah, I kinda like the no personal attacks rule from The Old Place. I don't think we need to censor swearing but that may just be me.


Here is a policy I find interesting: http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/rules/ Not necessarily to emulate, but it certainly has some relevant aspects.

I'd think 'bigoted slurs' would fall under personal attacks most of the time. I don't think we need to care about people being on or off topic, it's not like this is the official support forum of anything. Same with derailing threads - if posters respond to trolls instead of blocking them they're taking part in the derailing.
Posting personal info on any other member without said member's consent should be insta-ban in my opinion. Maybe call that the GOM rule.
Rules against First Post and the like would mess up most Lounge games.
Flooding outside such game threads, even if it's not outright spam is a different story though.
I'm not so sure about sockpuppets either - nothing wrong with banned users coming back as long as they behave. Perma-bans should probably be the absolute exception ( well, except for spam bots ) - SMF has options like just keeping someone from posting in a certain section for a period of time.
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Forum Administration / Re: What's in a Name?

Meh, if those bastards at Opera (pardon the French there, Frenzie, but they have really rubbed me the wrong way on how they've gone about the whole dratted thing) want to complain about the name, I say we spit on them, and add just a wee bit more to it, such as DnDTalk or something similar.

I doubt they have a copyright on "Debates and Discussions".


Of course, Pesala was always a wise poster, and I am still quite partial to the name Diatribes and Disputes, as it brings to mind happy years of arguing ad nauseum with our dear friend Bantay. :left:  :)

We used to refer to it as the troll cave way back when :right:
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Forum Administration / Re: What's in a Name?

Re Copyright in the forum I would guess that most cartoons shown in D&D probably infringe copyright if people wanted to be sticky. Can't say I approve at all but there it is.

Depends which laws actually apply. In the US it would be fair use ( don't pretend it's your own, link to the original just to be safe etc. ), but this isn't the US.
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Forum Administration / Re: What's in a Name?

Why is a message board without file sharing so concerned about copyright? Is that the reason why we don't see any mention of Opera or its logo?

Because it may already be a copyright violation just to show an image or whatever, even if you don't host it. These things differ between countries as anyone following relevant, for example, german and american news can attest. I'd assume dutch copyright law would be more or less in line with german ( thanks to EU regulations ) rather than US law but I bet it's got its own set of warts.
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Forum Administration / Re: Moderation

I'll recruit the former D&D poster known as johnogaziechi to this site.
If he's interested in carrying on putting up with us all, perhaps he'd consider a modship?

He'd get my vote ( wait, who said there's going to be voting? )


That would mean diversity in having mods in different continents, as you requested Frenzie, and would also bring on board a religious moderator as well, and Catholic to boot, @Belfrager. Additionally, he would probably recruit Nigerans, and other Africans as well.

I'd be more concerned with having mods all over the different time zones so there's always a decent chance that someone's awake enough to deal with crap. Maybe I'm naive but I think most moderating here will be cleaning up after spam bots.


But one thing is assured; before our time is up, we simply must recruit Mr. Howie to this site; not to moderate, mind you, but to post, as I've always enjoyed his senile ramblings and ravings, and I'm sure Belfrager would go into withdrawals not having the old Orange v Green debates.  :trollface:

You weren't supposed to say that in public  >:(
I'm sure he'll show up eventually. He's been in on The Old Place since before the previous ice age, I doubt he could stop if he wanted to  ;)
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Browsers & Technology / Re: Keeping an eye on Opera

Speaking of which, does anyone remember the mail client that came with BeOS? […]
Dammit I miss BeOS. Guess I'll check if any of the successor projects got anywhere lately.

Sorry, never used it. I actually have or had a BeOS demo disk somewhere which had the interesting capacity of playing reasonable-quality Xvid (or was it DivX…) video on my Pentium 100 without stuttering.

Yeah, actual realtime media playback, processing etc. was one of the stated design goals.
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Forum Administration / Re: Moderation

The server is in the Netherlands, so I would imagine Dutch laws apply. Mac, you interested in being a moderator in the Americas? There's no expectation of regular activity attached; I figure an occasionally visiting mod is still a lot better than one less mod.

Sure, why not? I guess for now at least the main task would be to watch out for spammers and get rid of them ( not that I've seen any so far, but I'm sure they'll show up once the search engines find the forum )
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Browsers & Technology / Re: Keeping an eye on Opera

I only use M2 for newsfeeds these days; I don't think I've used it for mail since '08-ish. Like I said, there was virtually no visible development there since Opera 7, while Thunderbird kept improving in the meantime. I currently use Icedove (=Thunderbird).

Speaking of which, does anyone remember the mail client that came with BeOS? It (ab)used the filesystem's database/content indexing features, extended attributes and the filemanager's support for all of that so it didn't actually have a mail overview, folders were actual directories, mails were files in them etc.
Dammit I miss BeOS. Guess I'll check if any of the successor projects got anywhere lately.
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Forum Administration / Re: Moderation

One difficult matter is that of legality. Nowadays one cannot slander people on the web and be sure of anonymity and invulnerability and then there is the tricky matter of copyright. Does anyone know how Opera handled this?

Or which laws apply in the first place. The server is in .nl, isn't it?
About slander - I'm not sure if it would be enough to keep the forum inaccessible to anyone who isn't a registered user ( so it won't be 'legally public', for lack of a better term )


It's dismaying how quickly one gets into rules and regulations isn't it!

Indeed. You'd hope the only rule necessary is "don't be a dick", unfortunately it's never that easy :(
Looking at the rules in other forums ( and the motivation behind them ) definitely looks like a good idea.
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Browsers & Technology / Re: Keeping an eye on Opera


I gave up on Opera when they dropped support for anything non-x86, without even bothering to whip up something halfway stable as a final release. Especially MacOS X / powerpc support was apparently dropped in the middle of an unannounced beta phase.

They also won't be returning to *BSD.

They never supported NetBSD ( and I wouldn't ask them to - it's the definition of an obscure minority system ), the Linux version still works on amd64, except it became so bloated that my poor little laptop swaps itself to death after a while, despite 4GB of RAM.
Opera just fills everything up and I don't give enough of a crap anymore to dig around and see if I can fix it. Firefox works lately ( after years and years of crap ), even on sparc64 hardware ( one of our guys had enough and fixed it ), let's see if/when the TenFourFox people get their stuff into the main tree.
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Browsers & Technology / Re: Keeping an eye on Opera

I think it's just a matter of time they will (also) close the mail-client. I think it's safe to say that people only using that half-baked mail-client because of it's integration with the browser!

I used it way back in the 4.x and 5.x days, mostly to keep private mail separate from work. Got the job done but then again IIRC it didn't support any kind of cryptography and at that time it was windows only. So I got used to something else and never looked back.
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Browsers & Technology / Re: Keeping an eye on Opera
I gave up on Opera when they dropped support for anything non-x86, without even bothering to whip up something halfway stable as a final release. Especially MacOS X / powerpc support was apparently dropped in the middle of an unannounced beta phase.