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Otter Browser Forum / Re: Logging in to Github
Yesterday, it automagically started working again. I guess a sysadmin noticed some machine had pooped itself (or was it the rodents gnawing on the wires?) during the weekend and fixed the problem.

But today it's gone back to not working. These companies are as efficient as the government. I wonder how they're still in business.
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Otter Browser Forum / Logging in to Github
Has anyone here been using Github lately? It looks like they're killing it with their de facto forced two-factor authentication!

At first I used to receive the verification code on my email almost instantaneously but in the last few days, it started taking more and more time. Yesterday I tried to log in, had to click the resend button four times before calling it quits. Searching the interwebs, it seems to be an old problem.

Apparently they sent the emails in bulk because today I got the four email. They sent them all at 1AM... like 3 hours after the codes had already expired. *facepalm*

Is that a scam to get people's phone numbers or is it just a classic case of "everything Microsoft touches turns to $h17?"
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Otter Browser Forum / Re: start page choice and newtab ??
Quote from: Quetzal – on
the new tab do not gives acces to the home page
Forget about the New Tab button. Use the Home button instead, every time you want a new tab.

Quote from: Quetzal – on
the homepage button do not open a new tab
It does exactly that here using the default configuration. To demonstrate this:
1. Start with a new profile.
2. go to Tools > Preferences
  2.1. Set the Home page
  2.2. Set Startup behavior to Show home page
3. Add a Go to Home Page button to the Tab Bar toolbar just before ---spacer--- and remove the New Tab button

Now every time you start Otter, the home page is loaded. And every time you click the Go to Home Page button, the home page is loaded in a new tab.

Isn't that the result you're looking for?
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Otter Browser Forum / Re: start page choice and newtab ??
If all you want is that your chosen home page be loaded by default on every single new tab you open, is there anything preventing you from using the Home button instead of the New Tab button?
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Otter Browser Forum / Re: and linux ??
I'm not sure how Mint works, but if they're supposed to build packages and suddenly it stopped, then it may be that it's not building correctly on Mint for some reason. You may want to contact the Mint package maintainer.

In the meantime, you can try building it yourself from source. That way you'll have a binary to work with... or you'll find out why it's failing and why there's no package. You can then report back upstream with a GitHub ticket.
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Otter Browser Forum / Re: Remove newToolBar
I'm not sure I understand you well. You mean you've added one of the standard panels to the default sidebar, such as Addons, Advanced Configuration, etc. In that case, at the end of the sidebar there's a "+" that let's you uncheck anything you've added.
The changes are stored in your toolBars.json file:
Code: [Select]
		"identifier": "SideBar",
		[...]
		"panels": [
			"bookmarks",
			"history",
			"notes",
			"passwords",
			"transfers",
			"addons"
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Otter Browser Forum / Re: search engine contest
Quote from: Quetzal – on
or i have to make a new serachengine for any language of this website
That's what I do. How can Otter know the language of the word you're searching for?

Automatic language detection may happen on the side of the target website, as is the case for Google Translate. But not all websites do that.

Theoretically Otter may detect the HTML element's language through the lang attribute, but some pages don't use the attribute properly, or at all. Otter may also detect the word's language (using Google's Cloud API, CFFI-CLD2, NLTK, etc.) and pass it to the search engine as a variable similar to {searchTerms}, say {searchLanguage}.

IMHO these methods are all prone to errors and quite complicated to be implemented in a clean way, so personally I'll just keep creating multiple search engines.
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Otter Browser Forum / Re: youtube change in 2 days
It's just Article 13 taking effect. And so, YouTube is changing its TOS I guess. This has nothing to do whatsoever with Otter or any other browser for that matter.
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Otter Browser Forum / Re: 1.0.01 (2019.01.01)
In any case, when you do this all you'll see is your fullscreen-ed video and the tab bar. The tab bar will disappear and only reappear when the mouse moves to the edge of the screen. You can even change this and disable it completely in its toolbar options (just like any other toolbar).

Quote from: exley – on
also, i noticed that while smooth scrolling exists, there are no options how many lines to skip
by default it goes 1 by 1 and that is rather slow scrolling
Better open a ticket for a feature request on GitHub.
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Otter Browser Forum / Re: 1.0.01 (2019.01.01)
Quote from: exley – on
why would people need to press F-buttons ?
or ANY buttons ?

this should automatically work like in any other browser ...
No. The F11 is only needed if you don't want to override settings. When Otter says YouTube "wants to enter full screen mode" select "Always allow". This will change the Website Preferences for YouTube and you'll never ever have to do anything other than click the fullscreen button (or press "f") ... just like in any other browser.

I guess you could also choose the default "Allow this time" if you don't want to change preferences permanently.
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Otter Browser Forum / Re: 1.0.01 (2019.01.01)
Quote from: exley – on
hmm why doesn't youtube have fullscreen mode
can the top bar be removed ?
It has. Click the "fullscreen" button on YouTube and press F11 to enter Otter's fullscreen mode and the video will be the only thing displayed on your screen.



Quote from: o11-user – on
2. Tabs stacking.
+1. Tab stacking is the single feature that I miss the most.

Quote from: o11-user – on
3. I imported an opera session and opened it (in the existing window/session). Wow that took a lot of time. An boy was the RAM footprint big - 5 times as big as in opera 12 at the same time! And when closing all the additionally opened tabs of the imported session and going back to only the tabs that where already open before, the memory footprint was still more than half of the max. footprint. (We're talking here going from 3 tabs to 91 tabs and back to 3 tabs. And memory-wise from about 200MB to over 5GB (!) and then down (only) to about 3,7GB (!))

Not a very extensive test but still enough "data" for me to conclude that for me otter isn't quite there yet to replace opera 12 but it's getting closer.
Otter is most likely not the culprit here. Barring any possible memory-leak bug, Otter itself is no more heavy on resources than your average application. Like any other web browser, Otter is just an interface for the layout and ECMAScript engines.

Try the same experiment with the latest version of Chrome/ium or Firefox or any of their numerous forks. While some may *seemingly* manage resources better than the others (unloading more resources after use, not memory-caching as much, etc.), I'd bet the situation will be very much similar for peak resource usage, whether you're using WebKit or Blink or Gecko. The entire ecosystem is using one of these and this will not change any time soon. Even Edge is moving to Blink/V8!!!

No browser will beat (Presto-based legacy) Opera in that area. But Opera is no more, unfortunately.

If this is one of your main reasons for not ditching Opera 12 yet, then whatever you do, don't hold your breath while waiting. ;)
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Otter Browser Forum / Re: No more Win 64 bit binaries?
@mihau

https://otter-browser.org/ :
Quote
Weekly report #263 (2019-01-14)
Almost there
[...]
Weekly report #262 (2019-01-07)
Still working to resolve the packaging crisis
[...]
1.0.01 release (2019-01-01)
[...]
AppImage for Linux, 64 bit (pending);
DMG for macOS (pending);
installer for Windows 7 or later, 32 bit (pending);
installer for Windows 7 or later, 64 bit (pending);
While this is not very informative, these entries clearly imply the situation is temporary.
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Otter Browser Forum / Re: 1.0.01 (2019.01.01)
Quote from: ersi – on
I guess that only fear of legal repercussions prevents them from publishing their own rendering engine based on that code.
1. Probably it requires too much work to raise it up to be on a par with today's industry standards and that much work isn't worth anyone's time.
2. Probably the code is too complex for the "uninitiated" to wrap his head around it so as to a) improve it and b) use it in a meaningful way within a completely new browser project, while the "initiate" is probably already using something else.
3. It would be a legal hell. The list of "third parties" included in opera:about is informative both for what it mentions... and for what it omits. As you can notice it's quite a long list and there's only FOSS and public domain libraries. Maybe it means the rest was developed entirely in house. But again, maybe not. Presto included both a browser engine and an ECMAScript engine (Carakan). I have a feeling such a huge software must be filled with code covered under multiple NDAs. So you'd have to deal with the legal departments of several companies, not just Opera's. It's probably why they didn't bother open-sourcing it in the first place.
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Otter Browser Forum / Re: 1.0.01 (2019.01.01)
Quote from: jim0214 – on
I have a idea. Lets go knock on Opera's door (in China) and tell them since your not using it hand over Presto! Hell the Chinese have stolen enough codes from everyone. Are just maybe, GitHub has a old copy of the source code laying around.
Quote from: ersi – on
Great idea! I doubt that the source code has been forgotten somewhere in the open (it would have been found out by now) but it could be that, asking the right person, the source code might be handed over to us just so
Actually it was on GitHub (illegally of course) about a year or two ago and the repository was forked a few times before everything was taken down.

But it would be as useful as when Microsoft open-sourced MS-DOS 2.0 (from 1983) a few months ago (in 2018). It's only good as a historical curiosity and for sentimental purposes.

I had been an Opera user since the early 2000s after I stopped using Netscape's series of browsers. So it's with a heavy heart that I have to say this, but Presto was already showing signs of age when the company switched to Blink (and also ruined the browser in the process). Nowadays, legacy Opera is pretty awful at displaying many websites.