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Otter Browser Forum / Re: bugs
Emdek, that crash is reproducible anytime at least on my PC :) , and this happens only on LinkedIn so far. I do not wander too much through Internet, focusing on work rather.
Also LinkedIn was the reason I left Opera 12, as it was really slow on that portal. If it helps.
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Otter Browser Forum / Re: bugs
Quote from: Emdek on

@Pref, that commit adds context menu which allows to to toggle all toolbars, so it allows to recover (at least when someone knows how to use context menu ;-)).

Quote from: Pref on
and also in this view F4 does not work, just informing.

Works fine here, maybe some extra step is required to reproduce that part?

Emdek, ad 1 - yup! Works now fine, sorry, I did not notice. However, RMB with context menu offering turning on Menubar, Tabbar works only on this tiny grey space between Search Field and Bookmarks (I am referring to Bookmarks Manager only), and on that big grey field at the bottom.
Ad 2, F4 - just have noticed, works fine in Bookmarks Manager (when Tabbar and Menubar is off) only for the first time. The next switches do nothing. I have to restart Otter, then again, F4 in Bookmarks Manager works fine only once.
And I do not know if it is OK, but in Sidebar opened there is nothing, empty, just a grey space with a cross to close it.

Also, once you are here :) I have a huge bug (or something) which would be unreasonable to report officially because I do not have any precise data.
Just steps:
1. open LinkedIn profile;
2. click PYMK, People You May Know at the right upper menu.
3. Otter dies, freezes completely, Win 8 reports lack of memory, closes Otter. I even cannot open an error console to provide you with the report.
One clue: opening LinkedIn gives some JS errors in the console, then I click PYMK, and here we are at the point #3.
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Otter Browser Forum / Re: bugs
@ersi
In the situation described above, without knowing a shorcut, you have no chance to use about:config. No place to write it. In the Bookmark Manager there is only field Search.
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Otter Browser Forum / Re: bugs
Quote from: Emdek on

@Pref, see these tickets:
https://github.com/OtterBrowser/otter-browser/issues/700


Emdek, just FYI, this still happens in weekly 58, x64 Win 8. That is:
1. switch to Manage Bookmarks;
2. turn off Tabbar;
3. turn off Menubar;
4. done, without knowing the shortcut a newbie cannot find the way, and this is rather not the usual way;
5. and also in this view F4 does not work, just informing.

Maybe one of the solutions would be splitting off Menu and Tabbar. And placing this drop-downed Menu like in the new Opera or Vivaldi, in the very upper left corner, always available when Menubar is turned off.
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Otter Browser Forum / Re: bugs
@Emdek, thank you, maybe it would be helpful for people if such a thread "Bug reports" with the link to Github was at the top of this board.
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Otter Browser Forum / Re: Otter advantages over Vivaldi
Well, the main advantage for me now is speed. It is visible.
As Otter now has too little basic features, and I need a full browser to import everything from Opera 12, I still use FF, it has nicely working add-on with a tab sidebar.
But definitely Otter has more simplified look, which for work is very important, and already has overwhelmingly more customization options than Vivaldi.

As someone here mentioned the very general issue of a marketing approach let me make a wider comment regarding this subject.

1. Is Otter going to be only for Geeks or also for Mortal People (that's me  :D ?
If only for Geeks it will die, and bring no money to the Author who--I think--deserves in the future some financial benefit out of his work. Mortal People can yield the fruits.
2. Hence, the answer for the 1st question affects everything.

Let's assume the project should deliver financial benefits meaning it should be done also for Mortal People. And here we have got the absolutely most important issue:
to deliver many, many features, options but also many of them buggy
or
to deliver first the most basic features but working well, and then to develope advanced things.
Why is it so important?
Because someone here said something that Otter should firstly contain a lot of fireworks, and features even if they do not work but they would attract the users. And this is absolutely wrong attitude nowadays. It worked 10 years ago. Today the most modern trend (around 2-year old) in software industry is to test, test, test, and then deliver properly working product. Not everybody got this, of course (Ubisoft hue hue :) but this is the direction. How do we know that? Let me give you some good examples. Lately Lollipop 5.0 has been firstly introduced to Poland, and useful idiots were really proud of it: "we have been appreciated". Oh, yeah. You have been beeing tested before delivering it to supermen. The same applies to PayPass cards. Does anyone believe that we, in Poland have the most advanced IT infrastructure? But we are on the top of implementing PayPass technology. Why? Testing before offering to supermen. Sad to say.
Hence, this is the main trend now. Do not release buggy thing. Release something working.
All this agile and scrum software development has one main goal: to remove as many bugs as possible, and to deliver the final product almost or possibly perfect.

So, to the Author, it is your choice to develop many fireworks at once, and few of them working perfectly or to decide which ones of them are the most needed, then to polish them, and then, once they work, to build them up with advanced things.

Let me point out at the end that however, I am not a programmer, I have used Opera since 2001 until the bloody euthanasia of Presto. And I used this for work, not for fun. Well, mostly. :) And nothing else.
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Otter Browser Forum / Re: bugs
Hi,

I understand this is the thread to report the bugs in.

Win 8 64 Pro, 8 GB RAM, Otter in Polish, first 32 then 64.

Absolutely fantastic thing:
I switched to Bookmarks, and then all the menu disappeared, even no possibility to enter it using a mouse (maybe a shortcut?). Reinstalled, same thing, probably settings remember the last "view", as when Otter starts it opens Bookmarks only, no way to switch to Tools, no Menu visible.
[edit] I know where the bug is now.
1. In the Preferences, General, Starting set to "continue the last session" or similar.
2. Open the Bookmarks Manager, no other tab.
3. Menu, Toolbars, turn OFF "show tab bar".
4. You are done. :) Nothing to click on, no menu as it vanished with a tab bar. F4 does not work, also F3.
5. Press F2, enter any website address. Go there. In the right upper corner there is a DuckDuckGo search engine.
6. Scroll down the duck. At the end you have an option "Manage search engines". You are saved. :) As through there you can go to Preferences and change the starting behaviour. Otherwise it will always open Bookmarks view, and you are at the point #4. :)

Also, F4 which I am so used to use in Opera here opens kind of a sidebar but it contains nothing. Just an empty left side bar with a cross to close it.

Also, a tab bar is movable, great, so I moved this immediately to the left, it opened kind of a blueish field, I dropped the tab bar there and, ups! All the tabs were turned 90 degrees, simply vertical position to read. Hard to explain, a screensave would do the job, I will put it later.

However, I must say I admire the work being done, I want to contribute, will find the way. I think Ott is much, much faster than Vivaldi, and already has much more features and options, really closing to my beloved Opera 12.
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Otter Browser Forum / Re: Install questions for MS Windows
Quote from: Frenzie on

The "experimental binaries" link leads to the downloads. Perhaps it's about time to simply change the text to "download"; I'm not sure.

Quote from: Pref on
Also, the question, where are trojan-free Win 64 installation files?

I beg your pardon? In any case, the 64-bit Windows builds can be found here.


Hello, Frenzie, I meant that if I download some .exe file from anywhere I am not sure what kind of "sweeties" I get as a bonus. If I download from an owner/author website it is usually clean, and safe. And I just could not find this "mortal" text "Download".
OK, I see it is in experimental bins. Let me kindly point out this is not the way Mortals see the things. :))))
And thank you for your effort and help.
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Otter Browser Forum / Re: Install questions for MS Windows
Rolf, you are absolutely right.  :D
What we, Mortal People need is just kind of an Open Office/Libre Office repository - you have there just anything you want described precisely. This is for Linux (which I am a big profane fan) 32 and 64, this is for Windows 32 and 64.
That's for mortals. :)))
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Otter Browser Forum / Re: Install questions for MS Windows
Hi,

I have just registered, having learned on Vivaldi about Otter. :)

Regarding the subject,
Here
http://otter-browser.org/
there is no easy link to Windows installation files.
I found the current (hopefully) version of Otter somewhere on the web.
I think that for marketing reasons it would be good to provide an easy access from the origin website to installation files.

Also, the question, where are trojan-free Win 64 installation files?

Best,
Pref