The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga

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Reply #675 – 2016-01-26, 09:43:16

Most Interesting point. Speaking of dictators, there's commentary that he's crossed the line into fascism. What kept former President Bush below that line was the Fascist cult of personality and the authoritarianism displayed by Trump. (Possibly) a literal fascist versus Hillary might not be good choices, but never vote for the American would-be Mussolini. Yes, I did mention the theory about being able work across the aisle; but getting the trains to run on time is far from the only thing.

There are rays of hope, though. It's early in the election, so Comet Trump could still burn out. If it doesn't in the GOP primary, it still will in the general election; especially as it crosses non-rightwing nut states (not even neccasarily the Democratic ones. Note what I said about Trump and the electoral college)

Quote from: Belfrager on 2016-01-26, 06:30:59

Americans deserves better from the Republicans, I'm disapointed.

We deserve better than a corrupt two party system that's rigged against a third party offering a serious contender to the presidency. I spoke before about a Republican Party implosion, owing antiquated views increasingly out of step with mainstream America. Perhaps a demolition crew needs to be sent to the Democratic Party as well.

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Reply #676 – 2016-01-26, 11:22:32

Intelligence is not an attribute of a political party, a nation, a race or a continent.
However, teaching and indoctrination can and does influence everybody's mind.

I couldn't care less about who will become President of the USA.
Nevertheless I took the time to watch a few interviews with the Donald.
No matter if one agrees or not with what he is telling, at least he is the less mendacious among GOP candidates or compared to Billary.
Often he simply tells what he thinks. This way you can't win elections, so don't bother about him.
Is he a sexist? Maybe. I don't even want to know how Bill Clinton would compare to him in private life...
Is he a racist? Maybe. It doesn't need a racist to wage wars in breach with international law. Not even a Nobel prize for peace can stop some...

Whatever, God bless the new President of the US, whoever she/he will be.

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Reply #677 – 2016-01-27, 01:42:27

Clinton is no outstanding creature or principled Joan of Arc. Has had dodgy stuff been a liar and a disappointing figure altogether. That Sanders does so well amongst the young wherever he goes says something and I am afraid the Trump legions do the same. The country is in a stake of flux and there is an undercurrent of dissatisfaction about politics the way it is and how the actual system is run. Both Trump and Clinton have the big bucks element behind them which hardly is very encouraging for progress and Sanders is a pleasant change from the dross.

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Reply #678 – 2016-01-27, 23:39:02

Tom DeLay, a former Senator from Texas, has said today on his FB page that he expects Hillary will be indicted by the FBI within 2 months.

So it is then; Bernie "Feel the Bern" Sanders v Donald Trump/The Lipless Canadian Senator from Texas, Ted Cruz.

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Reply #679 – 2016-01-28, 02:08:19

Well now, I would be happy as larry if that Clinton hussie was indicted and at least there would be one decent candidate that America could be really looking at and that he ha s young support is a brilliant change over there. I would even tempted to send a donation like another contributor here did to Sanders!

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Reply #680 – 2016-01-29, 14:58:03

So the lipless Canadian (Ted Cruz) was center-stage in last night's debate, and what a spineless little charlatan he is. The man was so weak as water, that he actually verbally attacked a moderator because he felt ganged up on.

Lincoln and Coolidge and company must be rolling over in their respective graves at this point.

You have an entitled, jackass billionaire who claims he'll stand up to China, Daesh, etc, yet won't appear at a debate because he felt a woman moderator is too mean. (FFS)

Then you have a foreigner who has said everything, was for it before he was against it before he was for it again, who also felt the trio of moderators were being too mean.

That's not even mentioning the arch-hypocrite Rubio, who wants to bloviate on endlessly about Jesus Christ, who then follows that up immediately with "We should carpet-bomb the hell out of Iraq and Syria."

I thought Rand Paul did well, but of course, because he doesn't believe in bankrupting the country by way of giving the military everything but the kitchen sink, he'll never win the nomination.

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Reply #681 – 2016-01-29, 15:15:43

Quote from: Colonel Rebel on 2016-01-29, 07:58:03

by way of giving the military everything but the kitchen sink

Why I never! Our troops are over there defending your freedom and you won't even give them a kitchen sink? Left-wing hippie! (Lulz)

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Reply #682 – 2016-01-29, 17:08:11

I must confess, as a non American, I'm at a loss about what to think about the competition to be the Republican Candidate. The only one to have caught my eye is Mr Trump because he seems a belly laugh a minute; the rest seem, well, ordinary.

As far as I understand it, if Trump wins the public vote, the delegates have the mandate to overrule that and vote for someone they like who would not do the damage that Trump would. If it came to that who would win the delegates vote? I.e. Not the public vote.

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Reply #683 – 2016-01-29, 19:35:46

Well the party will push forward whoever has the best chance of getting votes. But Trump will just go independent and split the Republican vote, and possibly even gain support from such a situation, thus costing the GOP the election.

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Reply #684 – 2016-01-29, 23:54:13

Unfortunately for an advanced country the election shows how weak and pathetic the system is these days. For far too many Americans being standardised at restricted incomes compared to the top lot it is sadly farcical.

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Reply #685 – 2016-01-30, 02:14:33

In other words, Howie, your "principle" is ienvy: You judge how well you're doing by a comparison to others — if someone else has more, you "feel" you have less.
You're ripe for conversion to full-blown socialism!

Good luck with that.

Perhaps you should re-read George Orwell's Animal Farm…

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Reply #686 – 2016-01-30, 04:08:46

Meh. What happens to Congress is what interests me. This one is easy to call.

The GOP is obviously in trouble. But it's not the first time one of the main two have had to reform under a new cause. It'd be nice to see one of the other parties (Libertarians for example) use this time to assert themselves. Offshoot parties like the Tea Party have always died out, with various results depending of the issues that created them.

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Reply #687 – 2016-01-31, 03:17:52

Envious of what Oakdale??

Spending half the globe's military expenditure - 40 million poor on stamps - salaries not progressing - taxes weighted for the rich - a million a year losing homes - running a torture camp in Cuba where you should not be at all - 2.3 million ic prisons - executions by gas, electricity, pills, firing squad - increasing militarising of police - shooting mad - scores of mass killings - lack of wide democracy due to money control of the big 2 and that is just a start! Democracy?

Now I know you are trying dear man to be funny but you have HAD to do that because the hard fact cannot be explained so thanks for the opportunity to remind of this. And the latest news is that the New York Times has come out for that damn woman, Clinton by there again that media is part of the inhouse mob who really control things. It is not the people and it SHOULD be!

The stats I mention here will still be there under Clinton when finished two terms and it is not surprising that in depth and sensible Americans can see the worth of the outside, Sanders. What is a pleasant and brilliant thing is the numbers of the younger age who flock to hear him. Now he would be a great leap forward in democracy and for the worth of the millions of the decent who want to be able to stand for America and be principled not brained by the media and their money barons. Well done to Sanders.

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Reply #688 – 2016-02-02, 07:13:06

Interesting. Trump came in second in Iowa, but Rubio came relatively close to beating the narcissistic blowhard who appears to have a dead animal on his head (just bury the poor thing, will ya

) Maybe this provides evidence for a theory that I read that says people may claim to be Trump supporters to pollsters, but the reality of what his is starts to sink in at ballot time.

I still subscribe to the theory that he's a literal fascist, complete with the racism, xenophobia, cult of personality and authoritarianism.

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Reply #689 – 2016-02-04, 06:46:47

Well in general world authoritarianism is part of the country in the world.

Although I feel from a safe distance that Sanders is the better of all of them on both sides in a general assessment it does not give a very good overall political picture for the country's system. The Republicans are in a poor state of flux and the Democrats will have that yakking bore Clinton in the White House. Will she make any difference to the economy, poor, vast unemployed, stifling of wages and so on? No she will not as she is in the pockets of the money barons and the vast amounts allowed to be spent do not come down from heaven do they??

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Reply #690 – 2016-02-05, 13:05:38

Quote from: rjhowie on 2016-02-04, 01:46:47

No she will not as she is in the pockets of the money barons and the vast amounts allowed to be spent do not come down from heaven do they??

That's why I support Trump. He doesn't have to appeal to the money barons.

Committed Republicans will always support the Republican candidate.
Committed Democrats will always support the Democrat candidate.
What about the 43% of voters who say they're independent? They're bullshitting themselves.

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Reporting an Independent political identity does not guarantee the absence of partisanship. Independents demonstrated considerable variability in relative identification with Republicans versus Democrats as measured by an Implicit Association Test…To test whether this variation predicted political judgment, participants read a newspaper article describing two competing welfare or special education policies. The authors manipulated which policy was proposed by which party…Regardless of the policy details, these implicit partisans preferred the policy proposed by “their” party, and this effect occurred more strongly for implicit than explicit plan preference. The authors suggest that implicitly partisan Independents may consciously override some partisan influence when making explicit political judgments, and Independents may identify as such to appear objective even when they are not.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2014/01/08/most-political-independents-actually-arent/
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Q: What about the Scots who like the U.S.?
A: There aren't any.

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Reply #691 – 2016-02-05, 20:35:18

3 months ago, I placed a $100 bet with a former Political Science professor of mine that Rubio would wind up being the Repub nominee (with me saying Rubio would be it, and him saying Cruz would be it).

He's been gloating for the past week about that damned lipless Canadian's Iowa Caucus win, but I will wind up being proven right, no question about that.

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Reply #692 – 2016-02-05, 22:49:54

…the media is still pushing the meme that a conservative shouldn't be nominated, because a conservative can't be elected. And yet they're reticent, when it comes to handicapping a "social democrat"! Hm.

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Reply #693 – 2016-02-06, 01:34:23

Of course not. It's all but impossible to be a political conservative in America if you've set foot outside long enough to see what really happening in the world. I think Oxford should redefine Republican to "Someone who lives inside a bubble."

Quote from: Jimbro3738 on 2016-02-05, 13:05:38

That's why I support Trump. He doesn't have to appeal to the money barons.

I've never understood this argument in favor of Trump. He doesn't need to play to money interests because he IS money interests. Well, his supporters claim he can't be bought. but ~~Ebenezer's~~ Donald's history shows that can be accomplished easily.

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Reply #694 – 2016-02-06, 07:16:58

Quote from: midnight raccoon on 2016-02-05, 17:34:23

It's all but impossible to be a political conservative in America if you've set foot outside long enough to see what really happening in the world. I think Oxford should redefine Republican to "Someone who lives inside a bubble."

I'm pretty sure (specially on evidence…

) that you meant to say: "Someone who doesn't live inside the bubble"…

"It's all but impossible to be a political conservative in America if you've set foot outside long enough to see what really happening in the world […]". Sang, you can't possibly be so stupid!

Go ahead and vote for Trump! (I don't think you'll get the chance…) Or Billary…

Rational government has never been something that you wanted, or would approve of. You just want what you want. Anything that doesn't give you that is "bad"…

BTW: How do you feel about the constitution of the United States?

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Reply #695 – 2016-02-06, 13:43:31

A Canadian conservative is an American liberal.

Quote from: OakdaleFTL on 2016-02-06, 02:16:58

Go ahead and vote for Trump! (I don't think you'll get the chance…) Or Billary…

Cruz, Oak?
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Take your pick boys.

Cheech or chong?

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Reply #696 – 2016-02-06, 14:49:50

Quote from: OakdaleFTL on 2016-02-06, 07:16:58

Rational government has never been something that you wanted, or would approve of. You just want what you want. Anything that doesn't give you that is "bad"…

Rational government is what I'm looking for. That doesn't come from Republicans. Notice something funny? Under Republican administrations, the deficit tends to increase (hell, Bush managed to take a surplus and a growing economy into a deficit and the worst economy since the Great Depression. Yes, it was Bush in part from re-legalizing financial instruments that were made illegal because of their large part in causing the former...) Now look at your ineffectual Republican congress, who currently have their heads so far up their asses they'll need surgery to remove it. Nope GOPers haven't been the most rational people of late and its far from congress's performance alone. They seem more obsessed with Planned Parenthood, LGBT, and the non-existent immigration crises (it peaked in 2007 and currently declining, xenophobic/racist idiots) than doing anything productive, with appeals to their irrational base.

And why the hell would I vote that lunatic Trump?

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Reply #697 – 2016-02-07, 02:20:59

Quote from: Jimbro3738 on 2016-02-06, 05:43:31

Cruz, Oak?

Yes, Jaybro: I hope Ted Cruz will win the GOP nomination, and the general election.

Like Sanders, he is not a "stealth" candidate… What he says is what he means. What does he say that you object to?
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@Sang: (Insert your usual balderdash… That's what you'll respond to, anyway. Why waste my time?

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BTW: Nevada's primary elections are looming — your picks are…?

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Reply #698 – 2016-02-07, 02:35:45

Quote from: OakdaleFTL on 2016-02-07, 02:20:59

@Sang: (Insert your usual balderdash… That's what you'll respond to, anyway. Why waste my time?

Because you say stupid shit like "Rational government has never been something that you wanted, or would approve of. " Maybe you really think that, having tried to make up my positions on issues for years and are now confusing your hallucinations with what I actually said.

But on the issue of rational governance, you really haven't noticed the disconnect the GOP and reality? Your man Cruz, for instance, doesn't realize carpet bombing will lead to more ISIS, not less. Yes, folks, he said "We will utterly destroy ISIS. We will carpet-bomb them into oblivion. I don’t know if sand can glow in the dark, but we’re going to find out!” The only type of bomb that could make the sand glow is nuclear. Maybe he didn't mean to say he'll take the "war on terror" nuclear, but that's the implication. Don't get me wrong. I don't think he's insane enough to do that (maybe Trump is, though), but these continuous irrational statements cast doubt on if a Republican is capable of rational governance. After all, do rational people say one irrational thing after another. Some media outlets, including the liberal Huffington Post, have defended Cruz on this issue by saying perhaps he doesn't even know what carpet bombing is.

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Reply #699 – 2016-02-07, 05:07:13

Quote from: midnight raccoon on 2016-02-06, 18:35:45

Because you say stupid shit like "Rational government has never been something that you wanted, or would approve of. " Maybe you really think that, having tried to make up my positions on issues for years and are now confusing your hallucinations with what I actually said.

What you've actually said, over the years, is what I respond to: Obamacare is good, because the only alternative is a single-payer system… Climate change is a dire problem that 97% of "climate scientists" agree on… The Citizens United case was wrongly decided… Al Gore won the presidency in 2000 (but Richard Nixon didn't, 1960!)… Roe v. Wade was correctly decided… The 14th Amendment to the constitution is carte blanche to re-write the rest of the document, by judicial fiat…

Your positions are straightforward: You want what you want! Mine remain grounded upon a desire for limited government and fidelity to the constitution.

BTW: Carpet-bombing is a term from the '40s thru the '70s. Sand turned to glass by conventional munitions would, indeed, likely glow…

Brains turned to mush by so-called institutions of "higher education" likewise would glow, reddish…

What about Cruz's stated positions bothers you? What about those of Sanders and Clinton don't?

Relax! You'll get your vote; and you can do your part to support the candidate of your choice, no? (I think it's amazingly funny that Clinton has accused Sanders of "slimming" her!) But perhaps I'm wrong: Won't you vote for whatever candidate the Democrat Party puts forward?