Where debating everything under the sun is only the beginning

Maybe sobering up?

So. Can god create a stone he cannot lift?

My solution is to admit self-referential logic. This makes sense because personal selfhood is the self-evident experience of anyone.

To "win" a logic discussion can be like a drug. Addictive.

Quote from: Belfrager on 2014-04-08, 21:36:50

To "win" a logic discussion can be like a drug. Addictive.

Yes, it can be. It can also get one to the proverbial high horse, making the others realise that they are on a low horse, on a tiny pony. Looks like this is a regularly necessary realisation for Jseaton.

But for me the expression never meant anything.

(This is also a major reason why I don't believe that, if there is a God, he is any of the Gods made up by humans so far, because none of them exhibit Godlike qualities--they all exhibit human frailties (anger, egotism, revenge, irrationality, etc).

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(This is also a major reason why I don't believe that, if there is a God, he is any of the Gods made up by humans so far, because none of them exhibit Godlike qualities--they all exhibit human frailties (anger, egotism, revenge, irrationality, etc).

Let's suppose for the purpose of discussion that there was a god giga-years ago. Obviously, the evolution of assorted galaxy collections hasn't evolved to the point of making bacteria, let alone human precursors. What qualities would that god have? Would they in any way resemble human emotions? Needs? Wants? Desires?

What claptrap.

Quote from: ensbb3 on 2014-04-08, 16:24:26

So. Can god create a stone he cannot lift?

By the very definition of God, God can anything that your small imagination can imagine and much, much, infinitely much more,
He "can" everything. If that satisfies you limitations, he even can lift stones he "can't lift". Cappice?

God, unlike us, is not limited by logics or any other limitation you can imagine. It comes from the definition.
It's a fucking definition, that I agree.

He "can" everything. If that satisfies you limitations, he even can lift stones he "can't lift". Cappice?

God, unlike us, is not limited by logics or any other limitation you can imagine. It comes from the definition.

('Low horse' does not compute here).

Humility, compassion and understanding are qualities that lean towards the Divine (perfection), so you're going the wrong way guy.

(This is also a major reason why I don't believe that, if there is a God, he is any of the Gods made up by humans so far, because none of them exhibit Godlike qualities--they all exhibit human frailties (anger, egotism, revenge, irrationality, etc).

Quote from: jseaton2311 on 2014-04-09, 13:03:46

('Low horse' does not compute here).

If high horse is an entity, then so is low horse, logically. High and low compute in the exact same way as warm and cold. I may lack the culture, but I have the logic.

Not any good if it's meaningless.

You make this too easy.

Humility, compassion and understanding are qualities that lean towards the Divine (perfection), so you're going the wrong way guy.

Real gods are not made up. Real God is and exists no matter what we think or do or don't. This should be common sense too.

When we got this cleared up, the question remains why you keep getting all enthusiastic about man-made gods and have decidedly nothing to do with the real and true one.

2. Common sense is not so common apparently, as you cleverly leave out that religion is not inherent in our beings/makeup, rather it is learned.

3. One arrives at the conclusion that you'll be proving how your "Real God" is not man-made and how the "others" are man-made?

...Robespierre, one of the main architects of the gorious heydays of the French Revolution, having slain enough priests, monks and nuns to his taste, made unambiguous moves to institute an alternative religion made up by himself. Another example is Stalin, the supreme leader and father of the peoples of the USSR. Once the Orthodox Church had been pushed basically underground, Stalin's personal cult took quasi-religious forms.

These examples show that religion cannot be eliminated without replacement, which basically means religion is inherent, an inevitable aspect of what it means to be a human. When you try to ignore it or eradicate it, it will come back bugging you in gross shapes.

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Hollywood Atheist. First step - don't believe in god. Second step - constantly be angry at the god you don't believe in. Shake your fist at the sky and think blasphemous thoughts, if god doesn't strike you down by lightning be more angry at him.

You know everything.

Like Euclid assumed that the continuum is flat and parallel lines don't intersect.

And to help you with quoting. When you select some text and press Quick-Quote, the quote will be thrown into the Quick Reply box at the bottom of the page, but the Quick Reply box is closed by default, you have to open it by pressing the + on its side. Even when the box is closed, the Quick Quote still silently works.