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Re: The Inauguration, & U.S. President Donald Trump's First 100 Days in Office

Reply #75
Why must all these conversations devolve into the "liberal" hoping to install Hillary? Usually someone says idiocy like "Trump won snowflake!" We know this. It's more about how horrible the policy offerings from Trump are.

I notice you not defending the tariffs and noting congress can stop them. I already agreed. But do the Republicans in congress have the balls to do so? How many of them represent people that want the tariffs, not understanding the effects it will have on the economy. This includes probably costing more jobs then they create, in addition to the inflation. Mercantilism is a failed, outdated economic policy that has caused many depressions. Further, protectionism on the part of the US and Europe worsened the Great Depression. Then 45 talks idiocy about 20% tariff to build the wall, the most expensive and least effective means to preventing illegal immigration.

Or maybe he's bluffing the whole time. It's hard to tell with this guy.
“What kind of man would put a known criminal in charge of a major branch of government? Apart from, say, the average voter.”
― Terry Pratchett, Going Postal

Re: The Inauguration, & U.S. President Donald Trump's First 100 Days in Office

Reply #76
It's hard to tell with you, too, Sang... Relax a little! Remember: Obama was going to close Gitmo as soon as he took office. What happened? Political reality!
You're right, that I don't defend tariffs. Why should I? I don't consider Trump the messiah like the Dems did Obama, Bad policy is bad policy. But I don't share your pessimism.
Congress doesn't have to stop Trump from instituting tariffs -- he can't. Only Congress can. (Did you never take a civics course?)

Granted, we got a thin-skinned businessman/reality TV star for president. That's as much on your "team" as on mine... :) For you, it seems, everything is an emergency!
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Re: The Inauguration, & U.S. President Donald Trump's First 100 Days in Office

Reply #78
I don't consider Trump the messiah like the Dems did Obama,
You understand that was mostly a myth, right? I never thought Obama was a messiah
he can't. Only Congress can. (Did you never take a civics course?)
Technically you're correct. Yes, I took civics and got an "A" in it. Scroll up a little and you'll note I said that fiscal conservatives and liberals might team up to prevent the tariffs. But you know as well as I do that president can form alliances with members of congress to attempt to push through proposal that are outside the president's constitutionally defined powers. For instance in 2002, Bush had a 30% tariff imposed on Chinese steel which cost more jobs than it saved. In 2009, Obama had a tariff put on Chinese made tire so the tires were simply sourced from other countries. What the constitution says a president can do and what politically he can get done are entirely different things.
“What kind of man would put a known criminal in charge of a major branch of government? Apart from, say, the average voter.”
― Terry Pratchett, Going Postal

Re: The Inauguration, & U.S. President Donald Trump's First 100 Days in Office

Reply #79
[…] in 2002, Bush had a 30% tariff imposed on Chinese steel which cost more jobs than it saved. In 2009, Obama had a tariff put on Chinese made tire so the tires were simply sourced from other countries. What the constitution says a president can do and what politically he can get done are entirely different things.
Ah! You're finally appreciating Obama's quip "elections have consequences"…
(There's more to the tariffs question, of course. Funny, I don't remember you objecting to the Chinese tires case; but I'm willing to believe you objected to W.'s steel tariff… He was ostensibly a Republican! :) )
[…] you know as well as I do that [a] president can form alliances with members of congress to attempt to push through proposals that are outside the president's constitutionally defined powers
Ah! And you've finally realized what politics is!
What do you think of the "I have a pen and a phone" justification of presidential prerogatives, now? :)
You're making progress. (Unfortunately for you, it isn't supportive of progressivism at this time… :) )
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Re: The Inauguration, & U.S. President Donald Trump's First 100 Days in Office

Reply #80
Obama's slogan was - "Yes We Can"
An appropriate slogan for Trump would be - "Yes We Do"

:D

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Reply #81
Speaking of things not adding up:

Apparently The White House has a YouTube channel now - Err, or they are using it now?
https://www.youtube.com/user/whitehouse/about

The about page says they/it...
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Joined Jan 21, 2006

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Re: The Inauguration, & U.S. President Donald Trump's First 100 Days in Office

Reply #82
As Jerry Pournelle said recently:
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[…] I do not think the civil service is ever eager to declare any job redundant; certainly their union never has. It is also certain that it will take the cooperation of Congress to drain the swamp. But note that the Republican Establishment, having said that having both Houses of Congress were insufficient to let them do anything, now is seeking common cause with the Democrats on the grounds that they need a more popular President. One suspects that if they bet that, they’ll have other reasons for leaving the Establishment alone.

If the Executive has no power to hire and fire the government officers, just who is responsible to the people? Anyone? Why is that better than a king? As Parkinson observes, kings can waste money on favorites and mistresses, but there is a limit on how many they want, or indeed can endure; but of psychologists, sociologists, experts in voodoo sciences, there is absolutely no limit. Ever.
I ask "savants" like Sang to respond… Knowing that they won't. :)
Jerry remembers (after being reminded…) that the civil service wasn't allowed to unionize until JFK's EO: He mentions that what one president can enact by fiat another can rescind.

As I've said before, it's going to be an interesting time — for at least four years.

Of course, everyone is really interested in Trump's recent emigration edict. See anywhere, to get a broader perspective. But don't look at what a U.S. visa actually is… It'll break your poor little heart! :)
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Re: The Inauguration, & U.S. President Donald Trump's First 100 Days in Office

Reply #83
Dilbert's author Scott Adams is pro-Trump. Who knew?

I've been following his blog for a while. The pro-Trumpness is evident in quips like,
I made the mistake of turning on CNN yesterday and saw all the hypnotized pundits trying to work the secret persuasion word “chaos” into every comment about President Trump. That’s your tell that none of the pundits are offering independent opinions. They are part of the hive mind led by some uncredited persuader on their side. Someone told them to say “chaos” a lot, and so they do.
Now, the above quote makes no sense at all (particularly when you are used to the way the Dilbert comic strip provides adequate commentary-through-irony on modern urban work environment, it makes me ask: Is this really the same author?), but there are occasionally more elaborated attempts to reason to his conclusion,
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Does it make sense to compare President Trump’s performance to past presidents who got a lot done in the first week? Well, maybe, if such a person existed. No one has ever tried moving at Trump’s speed before. We expect the slow-moving traditional leader to create less “chaos” than the entrepreneurial and disruptive leader. But don’t you have to include the benefits in this comparison? The whole point of Trump’s flurry of activity is that he’s trying to create good outcomes. We don’t know if the good outcomes will pan out. All we know is that it was a bit messy at the start.

Is being a bit messy a sign of a problem?

Not if you’re the entrepreneurial, disruptive, candidate of change who just got elected.
So, Scott Adams has the idea that Trump is a businessman and it's good (or at least okay) to behave like a (good) businessman busy with "change".
 
I of course disagree. First, Trump's business record is not good, not even okay. He is a controversial businessman, to put it mildly. Now he is politically disruptive for no other purpose than displaying his arrogance. That may be change compared to politics as it used to be, but is it a change worth having?

An earlier blog post says,
You’re probably seeing the best persuasion you will ever see from a new president. Instead of dribbling out one headline at a time, so the vultures and critics can focus their fire, Trump has flooded the playing field. You don’t know where to aim your outrage. He’s creating so many opportunities for disagreement that it’s mentally exhausting. Literally. He’s wearing down the critics, replacing their specific complaints with entire encyclopedias of complaints. And when Trump has created a hundred reasons to complain, do you know what impression will be left with the public?
The question that I have is: What are we supposed to be persuaded of here? Is it persuasive merely by virtue of being upsetting? What if I am upset only as much as I am upset at any other clown I hear in the news? You realise that Trump is nothing but a clown in a very powerful position, don't you? So what am I supposedly being persuaded of?

And another,
Yeah, it's science... People are irrational and their decisions are based on emotion, influence, and random variables. Reason is mostly an illusion.

Which of the many candidates for president this season is familiar with the SCIENCE of persuasion? Only Trump, until recently. He saved time and money by ignoring the stuff that doesn’t matter (facts) while putting all of his energy into the stuff that does. And it is working.
What is being said here? People are manipulable, therefore it's okay to manipulate? Is that supposed to be good politics or good business? Both?

The thing that is being forgotten on Scott Adams blog throughout: Trump's job is not just to entertain (or persuade, as Adams thinks) American public. Trump is playing on the world arena. And, from this angle, he is playing very badly. Not only is he making enemies at every turn, but he is also making everything to unite those enemies against himself. Quite an achievement for just a week in office.

Trump is not just bad for (international) politics with his outrageous example. He is unambiguously bad for (international) business. He has no redemptive quality.

Re: The Inauguration, & U.S. President Donald Trump's First 100 Days in Office

Reply #84
I wonder what's the world waiting for Americans not be allowed to enter any country.
That's the only action Trump understands. He will understand the meaning of "America first".

The first to not enter will be himself as the one million people English petition already demands...  :lol:
A matter of attitude.

Re: The Inauguration, & U.S. President Donald Trump's First 100 Days in Office

Reply #85
I wonder what's the world waiting for Americans not be allowed to enter any country.
…how they're going to replace the money American tourists bring! :)
The old expression is "cutting off your nose to spite your face".

The simplest reason (why do so many Europeans ignore the simplest reasons? :) ) for the Queen Mum to see Trump during his first year as president is her age; she's past 90, and might enjoy the company of a rascally youth from America!
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Re: The Inauguration, & U.S. President Donald Trump's First 100 Days in Office

Reply #86
You realise that Trump is nothing but a clown in a very powerful position, don't you?
Starting by his haircut.

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Reply #87
Now, the above quote makes no sense at all (particularly when you are used to the way the Dilbert comic strip provides adequate commentary-through-irony on modern urban work environment, it makes me ask: Is this really the same author?), but there are occasionally more elaborated attempts to reason to his conclusion,
Adams was already posting similar nonsense a decade ago and probably before then. He claims it's some kind of Socratic prodding. Oh yeah, and half a decade ago there was that sockpuppet scandal.

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Reply #88
Hmmm... lunatics belong together.

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Reply #89
That's one of the problems with people who can't read plain English… :) They think that their preconceptions are the sum of reality.

You can have a world without the U.S., you know! Just be willing to pay for it…

You have a problem with the Trump administration, deal with it. Or not. You can become "isolationists" too! :) After all, you're the real Powers, aren't you?! But if you can't survive four or eight years of a Trump administration, what are you, really?

@ersi: When you ignore the "echo chamber" effect of our main-stream media (…your first quote from and response to Adams) you display your propagandist roots: You know no one will believe you; but you hope to repeat it often enough that people will accept it, without evidence.
BTW: If Allah didn't say it, it ain't true! Right?! Well, if Mohammad said it…
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I will survive

Reply #90
Trump administration is a thing to be survived!
(It wasn't me who said this...) :whistle:

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Reply #91
Everything is a thing to be survived… Or not. Your choice.
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Reply #92
Wrong. Only dangerous things are to be survived. The others you just get along. No need to survive.

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Reply #93
So speaks the voice of ignorance… How do you know what is dangerous?
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Dangerous

Reply #94
Simple. If you have to survive it, then it's surely dangerous.

P.S.: Don't take it too seriously. I'm just kidding with your words. I don't need your help to make Trump a joker. He does it by himself.
But I just couldn't help. :jester:

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Reply #95
He's stupidly dangerous. Dangerously stupid also fits.
The last thing the world needs, starting by the USA.
A matter of attitude.

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Reply #96
I don't need your help to make Trump a joker. He does it by himself.
But I just couldn't help.  :jester:
You do know the derivation of the term "banana republic," right? :)
The last thing the world needs
When did the Portuguese determine "what the world needs"? :) Hell, you can hardly determine what Portugal needs — other than alms from the EU.
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Reply #97
When abolishing slavery one hundred years before you did?
A matter of attitude.

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Reply #98
Ah! But how long did you have it? :)
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