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Reply #50
Meaning?  ???
Meaning?  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Meaning?  :jester: :jester:
Meaning?  :doh:

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String I cannot fathom why you are so oddly puzzled at my statement. It could not have been more explanatory. Once again I will repeat that there are NO statistics nationally for the number of people shot down by the various police forces over there. Saying that the FBI were told years ago to start amassing these did hot happen either. Heavens, I could have figured that out in first year of secondary school.  :whistle:
rjh - my apologies for delaying my reply.

I was puzzled because it seems to me that there is in fact data on this (to which I referred in the link I gave) so I thought I might have missed a nuance of meaning in what you wrote.

Nuance?  :jester:

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Reply #52
 :D TT the snotty! :jester:

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Reply #53
 :hat:
"Quit you like men:be strong"

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Reply #54
Computer games can teach you a lot if you let them.

Sorry I meant to respond to this some time ago. I caught some bug and been laid up sick for awhile... Lovely thing about kids, you share so much. Hopefully that's my one for the winter.

But yea, I agree. I was going to say that I would probably find your accent interesting...
You haven't heard me speak. Admittedly, I like to think I sound fairly close to native. Definitely close enough to fool my fellow Europeans into thinking I'm an American

seems you covered that tho.

Entomorph: Plague of the Darkfall

Haven't played that one. Spent, probably, too much time with the CnC series tho.

original CD-ROM the next time I visit my parents.

I got in the mood for some SC Brood War about a year ago. Tossed my parents house looking for one of the many copies I've bought over the years and only came up with three empty cases. One does have the key on it, though, so I went ahead and acquired it by other means. :pirate: I prefer having the .iso anyway.

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I was going to say that I would probably find your accent interesting...

For better or worse, it's not even half as interesting as it was a few years ago. :P Plus it might be a bit like with this Russian woman I know: her Dutch sounds Belgian with the slightest Russian accent, but it mostly just sounds Belgian to my Dutch ears. If you yourself speak with the southern so-called drawl, that is.

And hey, make sure to contact me if you ever come by Belgium. ;)

Haven't played that one. Spent, probably, too much time with the CnC series tho.

CnC was pretty much my favorite game ever in the late '90s. Anyhow, I ended up watching a playthrough of Entomorph on YouTube instead. It turns out I misremembered and I came quite significantly close to actually finishing the game, except I'm quite sure I never did.

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Reply #56
On the original themes there does seem to be a black psychology problem. Somewhere I have an American published  paperback written which touches on that very subject in practical example. The writer is a black man.
"Quit you like men:be strong"

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If you yourself speak with the southern so-called drawl, that is.

I'm not sure. Depends on what you'd call it. States (or regions around them) have unique dialects to me. A TV southern drawl doesn't sound natural to me either. It's hard to fake a genuine southern accent. They always put too much drag on slang without the rite inflection.

I could probably have you guessing for a time but if you listen to me long enough I'm sure the south will come out a bit... I also can ham it up quite well when I want to.


CnC was pretty much my favorite game ever in the late '90s.


Ah yes, back when a way to play multiplayer was free. CnC had that faction disk thing. Don't you miss the chirp and hiss of dial-up? lol. It was a great game. SC took it for me tho. Favorited it before it was more balanced and cool. You could spawn a copy of it free for multiplayer and with an unfair amount of tinkering play over serial or dial up... Then came battlenet and Korean ass-whoopings.

nd hey, make sure to contact me if you ever come by Belgium.

Careful what you wish for ;)

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I'm not sure. Depends on what you'd call it. States (or regions around them) have unique dialects to me. A TV southern drawl doesn't sound natural to me either. It's hard to fake a genuine southern accent. They always put too much drag on slang without the rite inflection.

I don't know about on TV, but I've met my wife's family from southern Illinois.

Don't you miss the chirp and hiss of dial-up? lol.

:lol:

SC took it for me tho. Favorited it before it was more balanced and cool. You could spawn a copy of it free for multiplayer and with an unfair amount of tinkering play over serial or dial up... Then came battlenet and Korean ass-whoopings.

Just LAN at friends and the single player missions for me. :) The CnC replacement was AoE.

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I don't know about on TV

Generally an exaggerated Georgia or Texas accent.

but I've met my wife's family from southern Illinois.

Sounds a lot like Kentucky and parts of Tennessee to me. Some of the northern dialects are more nasally spoken. That makes a mess in S. Indiana, wow.


Just LAN at friends and the single player missions for me.  :)  The CnC replacement was AoE.


I didn't know many people with a network when those came out. But on the subject of old games and Age of empires... I bopped into the boy's room like a week or so ago and he was playing Castles II. I forgot I had even showed him that. Loved that game and Conquest of the New World.

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I didn't know many people with a network when those came out. But on the subject of old games and Age of empires... I bopped into the boy's room like a week or so ago and he was playing Castles II. I forgot I had even showed him that. Loved that game and Conquest of the New World.

That's before my time, and it's not one of the old ones I've played over the years. I'm a little surprised he likes it. It's not the pixelated graphics. Those are fine, but often the control schemes in those older games aren't quite as sophisticated as later on. On the other hand, the original Warlords II came out in '93 and those controls were sublime. Same for, say, Monkey Island 2, even though it came out two years prior to the somewhat awkward (more traditional) controls of Gabriel Knight.

I also have the original Shogun: Total War. It's a lot better than that latest disaster, Rome 2: Total War. I believe that a clever mix of Castles 2 and Warlords 2 would pretty much result in Shogun: Total War.

Since Warlords 2 might be hard to obtain, interesting alternatives could be the free clone LordsAWar! and the browser clone Warbarons.

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Sounds a lot like Kentucky and parts of Tennessee to me. Some of the northern dialects are more nasally spoken. That makes a mess in S. Indiana, wow.


As in this article: Vowel Movement (How Americans near the Great Lakes are radically changing the sound of English.)
Quote from: Salon
In the NCS region, that extra vowel sound is an integral part of the big shift. The tensing of the short a starts a domino effect. First, the short o rotates into the newly created short-a void. People in Detroit have a jab, not a job. (Or don’t have one, as the case these days may sadly be.) NCS speakers then slide the wha sound into the slot formerly occupied by short o. They now pronounce caught like people from Boston do, but they pronounce cot the way other people say cat. One link down the chain, but tilts toward bought, and further down the short e in words like bet starts to sound like but. The final link in this chain may be the short i of bit elbowing its way in the direction of bet, though its course isn’t entirely clear just yet.

This may seem a bit abstract on paper. But when you hear someone refer to “bosses with the antennas on the tap,” and realize he or she is talking about buses that have antennas on top, the drastic nature of this shift becomes clear as a bell. Or a bull, perhaps. You see the problem.

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That article doesn't align with my anecdotal experience. Is this some kind of lower class phenomenon? My Detroit-based family doesn't sound strange like that at all. Besides which, it contradicts itself as well. Both the NCS speaker from Detroit and the Canadian speaker clearly pronounce "bag" rather strangely, more like beg (/bɛg/) than like bag (/bæg/). Radically different? It's certainly not the word I'd use. They deviate from the General American norm in similar ways.

It'd certainly help if they gave their IPA interpretation of the differences instead of speaking in vagaries like having a jab, not a job. Does the first thing mean a /dʒæb/, which would be quite remarkable, or simply the General American pronunciation /dʒɑb/? (Although /dʒɒb/ is also acceptable.) It seems to me that the author is either from (New) England or just confused.

Finally, the "short" vowels have remained the same? Well, remember those relatives from southern Illinois? They say pit and pin (/ɪ/) instead of pet and pen (/ɛ/), among other things. And they've changed quite a lot over in England since Shakespeare's days.

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I'm a little surprised he likes it.

Indeed. Took me by surprise too. But, I got him the CnC compilation pack and he literally wore it out playing Red Alert and Generals. He's his father's son.
but often the control schemes in those older games aren't quite as sophisticated as later on.

The exact problem with Castles II, actually.
It's a lot better than that latest disaster, Rome 2: Total War.

Say It ain't so. I hadn't played it yet but I was looking forward to it.

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I think Rome 2 (and 1) were pretty good as soon as I got over the annoyances with historicity, which was quickly. As (military) re-enactment of the Roman Empire I haven't seen better, politically they fell apart. The gameplay was reasonable, longish, but with variety and real choices.

Empire on the other hand is out of bounds. The battles had lost their hardware-based 20 units constraint, and had grown too big to keep my attention. If it could run by itself on a big-screen TV, fine. You could see the progression to WWI: Total Trench Warfare.

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I think Rome 2 (and 1) were pretty good as soon as I got over the annoyances with historicity, which was quickly. As (military) re-enactment of the Roman Empire I haven't seen better, politically they fell apart. The gameplay was reasonable, longish, but with variety and real choices.

I was thoroughly disappointed by the Rome 2 "demo" I played for a bit. (Seriously, whatever happened to those?) YMMV, and also the game is supposedly better after a year of patches. I'm not so sure I'd agree, for it were aspects of the gameplay I disliked. I don't know, I couldn't get into CnC 4 either. I think Tomb Raider is probably the only AAA game I played in recent years and actually enjoyed (even though imo it should be more about tomb raiding and less about fights).

Empire on the other hand is out of bounds. The battles had lost their hardware-based 20 units constraint, and had grown too big to keep my attention. If it could run by itself on a big-screen TV, fine. You could see the progression to WWI: Total Trench Warfare.

I did like Empire in spite of its issues, although all in all Napoleon was a lot better.

Btw, I don't know about Rome 2, but most of the Total War games have Darthmod, among other user-made modifications, that significantly up the ante.

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I think Rome 2 (and 1) were pretty good as soon as I got over the annoyances with historicity, which was quickly.


My son has Empire (which he played a lot for a while) and Shogun (not so much for whatever reason), I was waiting for time to play Rome 2 before I sat back down with the franchise. I can get over lack of accuracy and content in the campaign as long as the battles keep the same feel, with at least some of the control updates I expect. (Ship battles, and done right is a good example.)


but most of the Total War games have Darthmod

Yeah I remember that from the 1st Rome. A bit sad that the best games can be are modded these days.

I've been playing a little [Kerbal Space Program lately because it's on Steam for Linux. I had chose not to get it before but on up in the beta versions it's doing better, modded up right anyway. It was suppose to be a father/son exploration of the solar system however the boy found the weapons mods so he's just blowing things up now. :-\ It has a demo in the old tradition of shareware.

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Sounds a lot like Kentucky and parts of Tennessee to me. Some of the northern dialects are more nasally spoken. That makes a mess in S. Indiana, wow.


As in this article: Vowel Movement (How Americans near the Great Lakes are radically changing the sound of English.)
Quote from: Salon
In the NCS region, that extra vowel sound is an integral part of the big shift. The tensing of the short a starts a domino effect. First, the short o rotates into the newly created short-a void. People in Detroit have a jab, not a job. (Or don’t have one, as the case these days may sadly be.)

I grew up in Detroit. One brother and three sisters still live in Detroit or nearby.

First, I don't say 'jab' for job, I say 'job' with an 'ah' sound, as do all my siblings. Furthermore, I have never heard a Detroiter use the 'jab' pronunciation. 83% of Detroit citizens are Black, and I don't think that 'jab' is common among them.

Furthermore, there is no single Canadian accent. The word 'about' ranges from 'aboot' to 'abowt'. In some areas it has a Scottish tinge.

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I can get over lack of accuracy and content in the campaign as long as the battles keep the same feel, with at least some of the control updates I expect. (Ship battles, and done right is a good example.)

In many ways I think battles haven't looked right ever since Empire. Soldiers are just sort of randomly stabbing next to each other when you look at them up close and dying animations seem to have no relation to anything at all. At least in Empire you're doing most of your fighting in volleys of gunfire, so it's not as apparent. I believe the community calls it blobbing (for units just sort of turning into a big incoherent blob in Empire and later) and unit collision (for individual guys actually fighting each other, or rather the lack thereof in Empire and later). But in spite of all that and more (like units getting stuck while trying to land on the beach… I imagine they probably fixed that by now), actually it's the campaign mode that I really couldn't get into. Although I just remembered, diplomacy was rather silly at best in Rome 1. Oh well.

I hear Shogun 2 is great, btw. I never tried it.

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First, I don't say 'jab' for job, I say 'job' with an 'ah' sound, as do all my siblings. Furthermore, I have never heard a Detroiter use the 'jab' pronunciation. 83% of Detroit citizens are Black, and I don't think that 'jab' is common among them.

Is there a reason that you can think of that might explain why 83% of blacks are unemployed? Better yet: Why are they unemployable is the question I'd have you answer.

(Did I drop a decimal point? Does it matter? Depends on who you're talking to, don't it? :)  Your serve…
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First, I don't say 'jab' for job, I say 'job' with an 'ah' sound, as do all my siblings. Furthermore, I have never heard a Detroiter use the 'jab' pronunciation. 83% of Detroit citizens are Black, and I don't think that 'jab' is common among them.

Is there a reason that you can think of that might explain why 83% of blacks are unemployed?

Is there a reason why an intelligent white dude is a grocery clerk? Drugs? Alcohol?

At any rate, check your numbers because your question is asswipe wrong.

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In many ways I think battles haven't looked right ever since Empire.

Curiosity got the best of me. I let the kid play Rome II over the weekend. I watched Netflix while he reported all the features, and he compared it to Empire a lot. Which I took with a grain of salt. Ship battles on Empire did not bring me happiness. May of been a patch but disembarking looked fairly clean on Rome II. I'm not happy with so much boarding at sea. If formation controls improved like it seems they might I'll be satisfied. I'll have to play it myself during the holidays.


I grew up in Detroit. One brother and three sisters still live in Detroit or nearby.

First, I don't say 'jab' for job, I say 'job' with an 'ah' sound, as do all my siblings. Furthermore, I have never heard a Detroiter use the 'jab' pronunciation. 83% of Detroit citizens are Black, and I don't think that 'jab' is common among them.

Furthermore, there is no single Canadian accent. The word 'about' ranges from 'aboot' to 'abowt'. In some areas it has a Scottish tinge.

I decided I couldn't technically defend my positions but I would argue that you'd have to go outside the cities to get the true local accents. I'm familiar with a rural Wisconsin accent. It has a hint of Canadian in it. More abowts with vowel swapping a for o. Like how they say "Wiscansin". 

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83%  are unemployed

at least show   graphs , statistics , nor surveys result before put 83% value there .
or perhaps some people will  thinks that is a lie .

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Why are they unemployable is the question .

is this somekind of  allusion ?

i dont get it .. 
so ,  while waiting for further explanation .
i assume they have difficulties to find job , because of their Physical nor genetical factor .

i also aware of non sequitur ..

but it seems , Human sense ( eyes ) are not designed to look inside  the Human Mind .
they are Designed to look at 2 dimensional  surfaces ( appearances , Properties , etc )    ( 3D Movies, etc  is another case ) .

well, this is awkward ..

but even in here, the ideal concept of good people is good looking .
and the ideal of beauty is Pearl-white skin .

if your skin is white and have good looking , most people will tend to believe if you're a good guy , vice versa .
i dont think people will give some  jobs to someone that they think he/she is  klepto   , criminal  ,  etc .

so , let say that are the correlation between , Racialism , and Career .

and yes , it is a weak syllogism .



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I think there are racial differences across the world in general and not neccessarily based on some  extreme and impromptu basis. However being a flawed humanity there are as we also know many who wil pounce on such for their own  not often idealistic attempts but arrogance etc and especially if the moaner is not getting what he wants. In my own land of 4 nations I am concious of differences but not in a negative way. Throw n extreme nationalistic corners anywhere and the situation gets polluted. Having worked volontarily in a broad base and in organisations of different racials such is a positive influence.

On a more local basis it is unfortunate too that in the States there is a long and almost built-in racial undertone which could have been long gone but that has influenced many and as a corner of society gets so treated they as a group do not rise above the selfish attitude of the comfortable. Black folk will tend to cluster together in poor circumstances which adds to the friction. The undertones are there always and one can se it even nationally in elections. That the  the thing should have been eradicated a long tie ago is almost without saying and the simmering under society of black people is frustrated and it is not a situation that should be avoided. It will not go away and one day the surface gloss will go very quckly and not kindly.
"Quit you like men:be strong"

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Reply #74
I voted for him twice.


Let me know when you elect your first Paki PM.