The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga

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Reply #1575 – 2016-10-18, 17:50:18

As Clinton is prophesied to win will someone please get round to saying how that is going to help the tens of millions in the States who are suffering as the matter is always totally ignored here.

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Reply #1576 – 2016-10-18, 18:19:49

Quote from: midnight raccoon on 2016-10-17, 22:56:43

That's why I'm tellling you that if Trump somehow,

Just because you can imagine something, Sang, doesn't make it true… Or does it, in your world?

Dream on!

@Howie: You'd be thinking of enlarging our welfare state? That would only cement the problem into place…

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Reply #1577 – 2016-10-18, 19:08:36

Quote from: rjhowie on 2016-10-18, 10:50:18

how that is going to help the tens of millions in the States who are suffering as the matter is always totally ignored here.

How can that be? You bring it up once a week.

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Reply #1578 – 2016-10-18, 19:40:46

Quote from: ersi on 2016-10-18, 05:07:09

Condolences for the loss of llama. Hopefully you will find a new one soon http://www.walnutridgellamas.com/llamas-for-sale/

Thanks, however that's about 4.5hrs (9hr round trip) away.

They are so awkward you just have to love them.

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Reply #1579 – 2016-10-18, 22:40:51

Lamas are not yours. Love your turkeys.
Turkeys are better than American politics. Glu Glu Glu.

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Reply #1580 – 2016-10-18, 23:14:34

Well ensbb3 can i inform you as simply as possible to allow for your ex-colonist brain strain that neither you nor Oakdale for example while dribbling about my opinion have never once answered my points about the 43 million on food stamps the million annually losing homes and so on. When I ask of such large and internal issues are going to be handled by say Clinton or anyone you lot just ignore these problems. Shows how much you are unable to answer or just know they will not be seen to. Obama for all the stuff we heard about him did NOTHING on those important failures and Clinton will be the same. So instead if trying to rubbish me or the straightforward challenge you body-swerve. It is therefore very obvious that there is not going to be an answer and while the corporates will still pull the strings after the farce of an election for 2 people who are a farce. So come on give an answer.

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Reply #1581 – 2016-10-18, 23:21:32

Quote from: rjhowie on 2016-10-18, 15:14:34

Obama for all the stuff we heard about him did NOTHING on those important failures and Clinton will be the same.

Oh, no, Howie: You've got it quite wrong! Obama -and Hillary, when her turn comes- will institute policies and govern in ways guaranteed to exacerbate such problems…
You can't see that, from your Scot-socialist perspective, of course.

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Reply #1582 – 2016-10-19, 01:44:15

Quote from: rjhowie on 2016-10-18, 16:14:34

So come on give an answer.

Llamas man. Do keep up.

They are steady, rough terrain, pack animals that always seem to know where the problem is - shows the proper amount of nervousness towards the problem - And, an oddly relevant detail I felt no need to disclose until now, they only poop in like one or two spots (No idea what's up with that, quite tidy tho.

). Rather than a bird of prey we should adopt a South American llama as our national symbol. Not like it's mythological or anything.

Now, given it's oddly useful tidiness we'd just need to point the 'business end' somewhere else..? Definitely north of Portugal...

Quote from: Belfrager on 2016-10-18, 15:40:51

Turkeys are better than American politics. Glu Glu Glu.

...Given our current agreement over American politics such a great nation should do better.

Hmm? So where?
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Quote from: Belfrager on 2016-10-18, 15:40:51

Love your turkeys.

Dear god man! Have you ever seen a wild turkey? Not the most lovable of monsters. More likely to eat your face off.

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Reply #1583 – 2016-10-19, 20:14:29

Trump is begging money abroad

Either he has no sense of rule of law or he has been hacked by Russians. Not mutually exclusive

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Reply #1584 – 2016-10-20, 14:48:24

Trump committed political suicide last night.

Quote from: Richard R Strain of the conservative American Enterprise Institute

That was horrifying. Based on that answer alone, I hope Mr Trump loses all 50 states. He deserves to. He is attacking democracy itself.

In reference to his steadfast refusal to say if he'll accept the outcome of the election.

Quote from: Former Chairmen of the Republican Party Micheal Steele

His answer inflicts serious damage to his campaign because in the end the American people want to know if you can be a good loser

What else is there to say? Prominent fellow Republicans hope he loses big at this point. Sad thing thing is Hillary will be sworn in and become president if he "accepts" the outcome or not, so with his last strands of sanity he might as well go down with grace.

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Reply #1585 – 2016-10-20, 15:38:36

Not being a Scots socialist Oakdale I make allowances for the average ex-colonist being "duh" about anywhere else! And ersi just following the modern anti-Russian propaganda nonsense. When you seriously think about the countries the West has mucked up by imperialist or military nonsense makes it look stupid.

Clinton is a warmonger and dangerous woman and depends on the usual corporates. We all know that Trump is a corporate but he is not in the same club as Clinton's wider lot. May I remind the ersi mindsets that Clinton came out with all that rubbish about Putin and the Kremlin trying to control the electoral system in nutjobland and she stands in front of a mike nodding her head ojn that guff. Proof? none. Trump got wide support because so many Americans are sick and tired of the "system" and his followers know that Clinton will do sod all about the tens of millions struggling in he country and who have had their loyalty corrupted and misused. Oakdale does touch on a very honest passing point in that my questions on the food poor stamps folk the legions losing homes will not be answered. Clinton will rattle up the military expenditure and the hundreds of bases across the world. For security? Nah it keeps her corporate industry supporters in her corner. The anti-Russian nonsense is being used as an excuse and laughable when you think what America gets up to across the world.

What a political leader over there needs to do is close scores of military bases stop trying to control the world on the benefit of the big money people and start trying to help the millions of Americans who are poor and suffering in the country. I did think in passing that Clinton's opponent for the Democrats was in the sensible direction but he has become a hypocrite. People of honesty and proper intelligence must not just get hyped up at Trump being where he is but challenge themselves to ask why so many ordinary and frustrated people have flocked to him. Oakdale got slightly near my assertion challenge as to why the important challenges i raise on food stamps and military expense, etc were getting fed up with it but not once has there been a direct and capable answer at my assertions because they are too hard to face.

Clinton in the White House will be a groan and military confrontations instead of the poor in America will be the damn nonsense to be ignored. If she makes a big difference in both my strong points then I will at the end of her first term give a donation of $100 dollars to a charity. For a Scot who is part of a tradition of sensible with money that is with much confidence!

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Reply #1586 – 2016-10-20, 15:51:09

Quote from: midnight raccoon on 2016-10-20, 14:48:24

Trump committed political suicide last night.

Don't cheer too early. He will rise like a, well, like a zombie, and win proudly!

In the third debate, Trump said that Putin said nice things about him (about Trump) while he (Putin) has no respect for Clinton and Obama.

Here's what Putin really said.

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avBAT6Op0lU[/video]

The Russian word translates as "bright" or "brilliant" only with regard to the sun. When applied to people, it means something like "quite a character". So no, Putin did not say nice things about Trump. If Trump builds his foreign policy based on the assumption that Putin thinks he's nice...

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Reply #1587 – 2016-10-20, 19:49:50

It would be funny if he refuses the result of elections.

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Reply #1588 – 2016-10-20, 23:56:42

Quote from: midnight raccoon on 2016-10-20, 06:48:24

In reference to his steadfast refusal to say if he'll accept the outcome of the election.

You mean, like Al Gore did in 2000 and John Kerry did in 2004?

(If you forgot: Kerry and company thought the exit polls should count for more than the actual vote tallies…) As far as I could tell, Trump merely declined to forgo legal remedies — in case of "irregularities".

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Reply #1589 – 2016-10-21, 01:25:28

In a basic way Donald Trump was right as far as "irregularities" go and yet that gets ignored? I did have to kind of shake my head in the debate between the 2 candidates when Clinton went on about security agencies (17 of them!) went on about Russia interfering with elections. Not one of those agencies could produce proof and she misused that corner and also body-swerved the email situations. Now in hard practice she is an experienced politician unlike Trump but she has been a liar and manipulator as well. Trump has got the support he has because many people have got sickened off by the way the system operates and the political families who think they have a special damn right to run the place. in modern time both the Bush and Clinton ones for example.

It is of course an obvious thing that someone who is not a politician like Donald trump is a man with things that may be unsure but his opponent with all her experience is not something to boast about. If she wins the friction being caused in the world by Obama and Clinton will be in danger of getting worse. When she comes up with all the head shaking guff about Russia that is an attempt to take the mind of people away from the very deep problems the county has and millions of it's people who are suffering. Had Hilary Clinton been a more honest and really principled person her experience would be something but she fails there. Donald Trump has no political experience as such compared to her and so many have responded to him because they are damn fed up with the way the country is being run. In a wide sense my $100 dollars are safe and if Clinton gets in expect more military friction as she must please her corporate backers especially those in the military industry.

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Reply #1590 – 2016-10-21, 03:12:52

Quote from: OakdaleFTL on 2016-10-20, 23:56:42

You mean, like Al Gore did in 2000 and John Kerry did in 2004?

Recounting Florida is hardly the same as refusing to say you'll accept the outcome and you know it.

Quote from: rjhowie on 2016-10-21, 01:25:28

In a basic way Donald Trump was right as far as "irregularities" go and yet that gets ignored?

No, he's not. He's trying to claim that illegal aliens are going to vote for Clinton, which even the more sensible Republicans roll their eyes and shake their heads at. Even Trump's surrogates are trying change the message to "the media is 'rigging' the election" but he goes back to his own idiocy. In fact, the media is just reporting what happened, just like they did for months over Clinton's emails - to Trump's benefit.

Quote from: rjhowie on 2016-10-21, 01:25:28

If she wins the friction being caused in the world by Obama and Clinton will be in danger of getting worse.

Hardly. British telly might show this, but Trump behaves likes like a small child or mentally unstable person. Putin and Trump might get along now, but I guarantee Putin will say something to get under Trump's thin skin and he'll go completely off the rails at Putin and make relations worse.

Quote from: rjhowie on 2016-10-21, 01:25:28

f Clinton gets in expect more military friction

Expect worse than Clinton because of his temperament. He'll throw a temper tantrum one day and start a war over nothing. It's discovered that a US born terrorist's parent were born in Ethiopia (or where ever) and watch the bombs fall over that country. I'm afraid you're not understand how mentally unstable Trump has shown himself to be, which is probably not your fault since you live over the ocean from Trump's antics.

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Reply #1591 – 2016-10-21, 05:35:49

Quote from: midnight raccoon on 2016-10-20, 19:12:52

Recounting Florida is hardly the same as refusing to say you'll accept the outcome and you know it.

Excuse me!?

He conceded the election, and then un-conceded — because he thought a partial count in heavily Democrat districts might give him an edge…
Oh? You mean he didn’t say he’d do such a thing beforehand? Well, he’s a Democrat, after all! Win at all costs…

You’ll never understand what happened in 2000. Nor admit what was tried in 2004… And, should Hillary not win in 2016, you’ll come up with yet another conspiracy theory to explain how reality sucks!

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Reply #1592 – 2016-10-21, 05:39:36

Better to send international observers to guarantee the elections process. Like in Ruanda...

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Reply #1593 – 2016-10-21, 05:52:21

Rwanda? International observers observe "international" standards — nothing to do with accuracy or fairness… Just the opposite, I've noticed.
(I never voted for Jimmy Carter, and never accepted his "aw, shucks" pose: He was always a liberal — in the modern American sense of the term, not the traditional European one.)

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Reply #1594 – 2016-10-21, 10:35:01

This thread will die on Nov. 9 when little dick Trump's Titantic sinks beneath the waves of Crooked Hillary's ship of state.

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Reply #1595 – 2016-10-21, 11:49:07

It never ends!

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Reply #1596 – 2016-10-21, 13:55:04

Oh please, Oakdale. Trump is the man preemptively threatening to accept the results in an election that's looking to be an electoral college landslide and maybe even a popular vote one if he keeps up his antics, further he claims the election is "rigged" (just like the Emmys when he didn't win....) He blames everybody but himself. I see that idiocy about 2000 and 2004 is all over right wing blogs, despite the fact that it isn't remotely the same situations. Republicans

Oh and Kerry did concede the election :p

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Reply #1597 – 2016-10-21, 17:49:36

Quote from: Belfrager on 2016-10-21, 05:39:36

Better to send international observers to guarantee the elections process. Like in Ruanda...

There always are international observers, at every elections in our countries. You just don't hear about them when everything is okay. You hear about them from third world countries and when they are blocked from observing.

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Reply #1598 – 2016-10-21, 22:14:49

What struck me about the tv debates between the 2 unfortunate comedians is that much of the content was of little use. Many more pressing matters that would be general in other countries were just not par of the comedy. They were poor and only emphasised the hard truth that these two are probably the worst two in a Presidential Election for a long time. What that shows is the depth of a serious problem that exists and at the same time more an more Americans are getting fed up with who they are getting and the farce of the shows.

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Reply #1599 – 2016-10-22, 06:29:37

Quote from: midnight raccoon on 2016-10-21, 05:55:04

Oh and Kerry did concede the election :p

He kinda had to: He lost.