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Reply #1600
You hear about them from third world countries and when they are blocked from observing.
Exactly my point, we should be hearing something from international observers when a candidate promises to put in jail the other, when a candidate menaces to refuse to accept the results, etc. These are clear accusations of fraud,manipulation and intimidation, not anything like free elections by international standards.

Third world politics and elections indeed.
The world ignores Oakdale's advices, "this is not a democracy"...
A matter of attitude.

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Reply #1601
He kinda had to: He lost.
Just like Trump is going to lose. At least Kerry didn't start make excuses and casting bizarre conspiracy theories about his defeat * even before the votes were counted.

*millions of illegal immigrants are going to somehow vote for Hillary, etc? Really? What does one have smoke to believe that or are Trump and is supporters really this insane? There is no defending Trump in any credible way at this point.
“What kind of man would put a known criminal in charge of a major branch of government? Apart from, say, the average voter.”
― Terry Pratchett, Going Postal

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Reply #1602
I do have to express concern that Hilary Clinton did avoid an awful lot of media interviews unlike Donald Trump so why was that? Is there something in the accusation that so much of the media was not expressing a balance but in her corner? As I also said much of the tv show rubbish was a waste of time as more pressing issues were body-swerved. The general standard too was poor. Clinton will get in but for those people I feel sorry for it will make no damn difference to their legions of suffering. In addition she will be a warmonger. It has also been obvious that an awful lot of people over there who aren't Trump fans are suspicious of Clinton and with goodly reason.  Bags of money will continue or a whole range of "security agencies, hundreds of military bases (not needed) , supporting corporate string pulling and so on.

Neither candidate is a saviour and the poorest two for decades. It kind of shows why more and more are getting fed up with the structure stuck with and for a short time the senator who lost to Clinton would have been very different from the two you poor folk are stuck with over there.

Safe $100
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Reply #1603
Because whoever's your MP will lift your "legions" of poor out if their "suffering" , Howie? Save your pity for your own countrymen.
“What kind of man would put a known criminal in charge of a major branch of government? Apart from, say, the average voter.”
― Terry Pratchett, Going Postal

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Reply #1604
no comparison at all midnight racoon and if your brain gets a rest and thinks carefully you will realise that. you doi not have a Welfare Estate a national health service especially if one of the 43 million on food stamps. a country that boasts of democracy (hundreds of thousands not registered) the greatest democracy (giggle) at least 17 protection agencies and much more hypocrisy. When you loot cannot face the actual you time and time again switch to somewhere else rather than cope with the shambles. the most boastful country on Earth yet the hard facts speak volumes so maybe you lot stopped boasting and faced the truth. Instead of challenging the issue of tens of millions of poor (note tens) the 10 figure losing homes and the farce of the electoral corporate system.

instead the big and negative issues just get ignored here because you can't deal with them nor that obvious hypocrisy.  And I also know that my $100 dollars are perfectly safe and that gets ignored as well as the poverty and lack of democracy, etc.  :whistle:
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Reply #1605
The US is sooooo horrible, blah, blah, blah. In fact, people aren't "losing homes" in the numbers you suggest. The actual foreclosure rate is one in 1592, largely because people were approved for mortgages they should have been declined for (subprime mortgages and whatnot.) But you have no interest in facts, just in spewing the same anti-American garbage regardless of the actual thread topic.
“What kind of man would put a known criminal in charge of a major branch of government? Apart from, say, the average voter.”
― Terry Pratchett, Going Postal

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Reply #1606
Actual votes so far for Nevada :yes:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-trump-may-depress-republican-turnout-spelling-disaster-for-the-gop/

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Instead of a poll, let’s start today’s Election Update with some actual votes. According to the estimable Nevada journalist Jon Ralston, Democrats have a 20-percentage-point turnout edge so far based on early and absentee voting in Clark County (home to Las Vegas), Nevada. And they have a 10-point edge in Washoe County (home to Reno).
The article does go on to note that in Nevada early voting favors Democrats, however. The thing is that Realclear Politics still has Nevada as a "tossup" state, but it's actually difficult to find a Trump supporter in Las Vegas, and the Las Vegas area has most of the population of the entire state.

But Nevada is a small state in in population and is unlikely to swing all but the closest elections. The rest of the article details more important bad news for Trump and the article title notes the high probability Trump is depress GOP voter turnout everywhere. Bypassing the bullet points for the save of post brevity, I skip to the main point:

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The nightmare scenario for the GOP is that high-information Republican voters, seeing Trump imploding and not necessarily having been happy with him as their nominee in the first place, feel free to cast a protest vote at the top of the ticket. Meanwhile, lower-information Republican voters don’t turn out at all, given that Trump’s rigging rhetoric could suppress their vote and that Republicans don’t have the field operation to pull them back in. That’s how you could get a Clinton landslide like the one the ABC News poll describes, along with a Democratic Senate and possibly even — although it’s a reach — a Democratic House.

I don't actually see the Democrats taking the House this time, but there is a decent chance of at least an even split Senate.
“What kind of man would put a known criminal in charge of a major branch of government? Apart from, say, the average voter.”
― Terry Pratchett, Going Postal

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Reply #1607
Democracy by constant polling… Do you mean, Sang, that votes are not just cast but are already being counted, and the counts released"officially"? :) (You know that you don't…) That's how Kerry almost won in 2004: The major networks touted "exit polls" and then, when the official tallies came in, were aghast! :)

Nate is pretty savvy. He says, "One needs to be careful about drawing too many inferences from early-voting data. There are a lot of states to look at and a lot of ways to run the numbers, and we’ve seen smart analysts trick themselves into drawing conclusions that didn’t necessarily hold up well by Election Day."
Two things to note, Sang:
I don't consider you a "smart analyst"; you're a partisan…first and foremost!
And your prejudices and predilections don't allow you to be careful with your predictions.

I'll still wait for November 9th (…perhaps somewhat later :) ) to see what actually happened.

p.s.: How do you confuse the keyboard's letters "k" and "v"…? :)
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Reply #1608
p.s., Sang:
Don't you wish you'd voted for Lessig? :)
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Lessig announced the launch of his presidential campaign on September 6, 2015. On August 11, 2015, Lessig announced that he had launched an exploratory campaign for the purpose of exploring his prospects of winning the Democratic Party's nomination for President of the United States in the 2016 election. Lessig pledged to seek the nomination if he raised $1 million by Labor Day 2015. The announcement was widely reported in national media outlets, and was timed to coincide with a media blitz by the Lessig 2016 Campaign. Lessig was interviewed in The New York Times and Bloomberg. Campaign messages and Lessig's electoral finance reform positions were circulated widely on social media. His campaign is focused on a single issue: The Citizen Equality Act, a proposal that couples campaign finance reform with other laws aimed at curbing gerrymandering and ensuring voting access. As an expression of his commitment to establishing citizen equality first, Lessig has said he will resign once the Citizen Equality Act becomes law and turn the presidency over to his vice president, who would then serve as a typical president pursuing legislation on a variety of issues. In October 2015, Lessig abandoned his automatic resignation plan and adopted a full policy platform for the presidency, while retaining the passage of the Citizen Equality Act as his legislative priority.
He announced the end of his campaign on November 2, 2015.
A typical Democrat, without the backing of the Clinton Machine… :)

BTW: When I say "a typical Democrat, " I mean those silly gooses who aren't connected to the Clinton Machine… (O-black-ama had his eight years and he knows it's time to step down… It's time for the "real" Democrats to come back!)
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Reply #1609
you make a typical Yank midnight raccoon and the propaganda soaks into you with no bother like it does for millions.  There are large numbers losing homes, people who cannot afford health care and well over that 40 million on food stamps. It is so easy to slag you country off because it is so big-headed. The greatest democracy in the world nonsense stuff and creating wars all the time when there are more pressing things at home. Not once has anyone here lie you been able to deal with the large and glaring hypocrisies in your own country and it's history. Instead you have to fall back like the other odd person to sniping and sneering at me. None of that answers anything listed time after time because you lot cannot do so and damn well know it.

$100 will prove points.   :(  :coffee:
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Reply #1610
The greatest democracy in the world nonsense stuff and creating wars all the time
Of course, those little squabbles like World War One and World War Two (just to pick out the largest in the 20th century) don't count! Nor the various colonial wars… :)
You carp on that "greatest democracy" line because you are easily led by propaganda. You cite numbers, knowing full well your country does worse; and you ignore improvements in our stats…
What is your point, RJ? I mean, other than that you have some secret grudge against the U.S.?
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Reply #1611
Nate is pretty savvy. He says, "One needs to be careful about drawing too many inferences from early-voting data. There are a lot of states to look at and a lot of ways to run the numbers, and we've seen smart analysts trick themselves into drawing conclusions that didn't necessarily hold up well by Election Day."
Two things to note, Sang:
I don't consider you a "smart analyst"
I said "early voting favors Democrats" , which is a simplification of what Nate said. You always seem to forget which of us studied and applied this type of research which a great deal of success.
And your prejudices and predilections don't allow you to be careful with your predictions.
Too bad my predications are almost always right

The major networks touted "exit polls" and then, when the official tallies came in, were aghast!  :)
Why is that you're so partisan that you confuse exit polls with votes already cast and counted? Of course, those numbers cited above don't mean Hillary will win Nevada by those margins but it does show things don't look too good for him here.
“What kind of man would put a known criminal in charge of a major branch of government? Apart from, say, the average voter.”
― Terry Pratchett, Going Postal

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Reply #1612
There are large numbers losing homes,
Do the math, Howie. We're talking less than 0.16 percent. In a large country, the absolute numbers might be "large" but doesn't show a crises.
people who cannot afford health care
Under the ACA the numbers are improving.

creating wars all the time
Wikipedia has a list of wars involving the UK What a bunch of warmongers. First, Second and Third Cod Wars? Really?  Did you need fish that badly? The wars you accuse the US of also involved the UK.
“What kind of man would put a known criminal in charge of a major branch of government? Apart from, say, the average voter.”
― Terry Pratchett, Going Postal

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Reply #1613
Why is that you're so partisan that you confuse exit polls with votes already cast and counted?
Do you mean to say that the actual tally of early voting has already been officially stated? :) You're not that naive. (Or are you?)
That's the job of the partisan media. State election officials are proscribed from doing it by law… (You've sort-of maybe heard of "law"? That's the rules, that somehow don't apply to Democrats. :) Ask Hillary…)
You always seem to forget which of us studied and applied this type of research which a great deal of success.
You only had to please your instructors; I had to square my results with reality… :) (BTW: "which a great deal of success" means — what?)
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Reply #1614
Do you mean to say that the actual tally of early voting has already been officially stated?
Because those Democratic ballots returned are votes for Trump? Give me a break. Are in denial that Trump is going to lose this thing? Channel 13 has a running Blog of the early voting :

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Totals after all ballots tallied in ClarK (county):

EV+AB: 85,662

Dems: 44,227

GOP: 25,440

Rest: 15,985

I can assure those Dems are not voting for Trump.  It would take a quantum, or even Trumpian leap of illogic to not connect those to votes for Clinton. The X factor is is the "Rest" category, but even if every one of them votes Trump, Clinton would still be leading by a large margin.
“What kind of man would put a known criminal in charge of a major branch of government? Apart from, say, the average voter.”
― Terry Pratchett, Going Postal


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Reply #1616
You're really reaching, Sang… How many signed copies do you have? :)
(BTW: I'd pay maybe 50¢ for one! But I'm a spendthrift…)
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Reply #1617
You're really reaching, Sang... How many signed copies do you have?
Reaching? Is the book in print or out of print. Given that book is in print, this appears to be a lie.
“What kind of man would put a known criminal in charge of a major branch of government? Apart from, say, the average voter.”
― Terry Pratchett, Going Postal

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Reply #1618
Conservative/Right Wing media personality Glenn Beck had a lot to say about Trump

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/12/us/politics/glenn-beck-says-opposing-trump-is-moral-ethical-even-if-it-means-clinton-wins.html

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“It is not acceptable to ask a moral, dignified man to cast his vote to help elect an immoral man who is absent decency or dignity,” Mr. Beck wrote on Facebook. “If the consequence of standing against Trump and for principles is indeed the election of Hillary Clinton, so be it. At least it is a moral, ethical choice.”


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“If one helps to elect an immoral man to the highest office, then one is merely validating his immorality, lewdness, and depravity,”

He noted that it has crossed his mind to vote for Hillary, be he'll vote for Darrell Castle of the Constitution Party. That article was on Oct 11.

Now he elaborated on on The Blaze, noting that Trump is a sociopath.

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Have you seen him during the last year and a half truly feel for someone that couldn’t help him? Truly connect on a human level,” Beck told PBS host Charlie Rose, who asked the commentator for an indication that Trump could be a sociopath. ”[A] sociopath is somebody who doesn’t really see the human experience in anyone else, and I haven’t see that in him. I haven’t seen him deeply affected by the human condition in an individual.
The article goes on to state that Beck said Trump was a "narcissistic psychopath."





“What kind of man would put a known criminal in charge of a major branch of government? Apart from, say, the average voter.”
― Terry Pratchett, Going Postal

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Reply #1619
I can assure those Dems are not voting for Trump.
:) You base your "assurances" on -what!- mind-control? (Reminds me of the New York Democrat who couldn't understand how Nixon won in '68 because, as she said, no one she knew voted for him!)

It is interesting that you're willing to quote Glen Beck… I'm surprised that he's become a psychologist; I'd thought he was just keeping busy, awaiting the Rapture!
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This is not the first time the controversial personality has attacked Trump in such a manner. Earlier this year, Beck blasted Trump, calling him a “narcissistic psychopath,” adding that four years of a Trump presidency “will lead to civil war.”
Civil war? Beck seems committed to Armageddon, come what may…
But you'll take his counsel? One wonders why…

Relax. The election is only two weeks away.
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Reply #1620
And thank heavens it will only be two weeks away and we will get a damn break from a big sad laugh of an election. Bad enough the tv swamped by ex-colonial stuff without this farce with 2 candidates who are the most outstanding for decades but neither in a positive way. One is a free lancer and the other a control freak. However I do feel for you people over there as an old Glasgow friend of mine has been living in California for decades with husband and family born and raised there. She is groaning about it but one of her sons intends to emigrate to Scotland  so she can feel happy! :up:
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Reply #1621
Bad enough the tv swamped by ex-colonial stuff
Too bad your lot can't focus on your own problems, eh? :)
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Reply #1622
Following Sang's recent example, I post again:

From a HuffPo article:
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Progressives are also laser-focused on executive branch appointments and staffing. As Warren put it to a gathering at the Center for American Progress in mid-September, “personnel is policy.”
This is not hyperbole: This is how the Dems have always operated…
And reason enough to defeat Hillary Clinton.
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Reply #1624
Good one, jax! This is the level the left in America operates on… And they get away with it! :)

BTW: The last paragraph of the piece is
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“Realistically what the secretary has to try to do if she is elected is to generate some momentum—to do enough so people don’t believe Washington is just completely broken and nothing is ever going to happen,” one confidant told me. “Give enough relief to families and communities so they think, ‘OK, it’s not all great but it’s headed in the right direction.’ I think that is achievable.”
Does that tell you anything…? :)

Bread and circuses, anyone? :(
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