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Will a call for a more robust British military presence in Germany send Russia a message?

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Britain should make a “military statement” to Russia by retaining 3,000 soldiers in Germany ...

Quickie thought: If fraud in an election makes the election invalid, then we haven't had a valid election in decades.

What happened in the Crimean election is no less than what could have been expected, and with feeling running high as it did it just might be difficult to tell between a bogus "election" and the real thing.

What utter bunkum came from the USA woman on the UN Security Council. There she was talking about invasion attitudes, interfering with sovereignty, pressurising and all the rest of the usual Western tripe. This coming from her side and a country that has spent decades interfering across the world, unsettling States it couldn't initially coerce then find an excuse to attack them. The complete hypocrisy is overwhelming and then jimbro comes in with his usual very bias stuff. Look at your own corner boy. Trouble is that Russia is not rising up it is making it's independence very clear and the US and it's western controlled get the hump at not being able to dictate or do what they like anywhere else. For America to accuse Russia considering what it has done and still doing is so farcical and insulting intelligence.

Time after time Amercia uses the nonsense I mentioned of interfering over the globe because it thinks it has a special duty and right to do so and all for that old hoary "safeguarding our interests."  No other modern nation can compete with the arrogance and political immorality of the USA. Russia has said it has no wish to be involved in invading Ukraine but that makes no difference to the idiots that run the DC corner. If it isn't them running the show or not conforming to their idea of the world you are beyond evil. Maybe someone can explain why America wants to be the worlds controller and stuff anyone else?

The only place that maintained a democratic system was in Crimea whilst the rest of Ukraine was taken over by a rump that couldn't run a piss up in a brewery. The West ignores that and the fact that a quarter of the Keiv "government" is extereme. The West has never been able to get to grips with the end of the USSR and the widening of Russia. It is a proud and patriotic land that does not have the imperial pretensions of the US and it is still good that there are a couple of places in the world that cannot be battered into line on false premise. Not only has the media been bias but actual governments and when an occasional journalist asks a representative at a press conference where certain information comes from they get brushed off.

Ukraine's only hope is a federal system and it better think seriously about all of it's people including those in the east of the country. As for that ballistic clown who is Prime Minister he has constantly changed his mind onNATO,  Ukraine, Russia, EEC and even America. His rump caused the falling aprt of Ukraine not Russia which was giving aid and cheap power.The EEC is in no great position to dish out cash and some parts of it will be very niggled when it goes to someone outside of the thing and not them.  Lastly, NATO should keep it's damn neb out of the matter as it is nothing to do with them.

What happened in the Crimean election is no less than what could have been expected, and with feeling running high as it did it just might be difficult to tell between a bogus "election" and the real thing.

One takes it that you have moved to Moscow?
- "...and all of the usual Western tripe".

What the Western powers are thinking baffles me, but I baffle easily. Crimea is a done deal, so the West can find something else to occupy their collective minds.

One takes it that you have moved to Moscow?
- "...and all of the usual Western tripe".

If I didn't know better, I'd swear that RJH is a Soviet apparatchik. He sounds like it at times, with a distinct hatred of all things American and a fair amount of bile for the rest of the West into the bargain.

Am I the only one who's immediately reminded of this?

Tymoshenko confirmed the authenticity of the conversation on Twitter, while pointing out that a section where she is heard to call for the nuclear slaughter of the eight million Russians who remain on Ukrainian territory was edited.

She tweeted “The conversation took place, but the '8 million Russians in Ukraine' piece is an edit. In fact, I said Russians in Ukraine – are Ukrainians. Hello FSB Sorry for the obscene language.”

What the Western powers are thinking baffles me, but I baffle easily. Crimea is a done deal, so the West can find something else to occupy their collective minds.

Quote from: Jimbro3738 on 2014-03-24, 07:27:06

What the Western powers are thinking baffles me, but I baffle easily. Crimea is a done deal, so the West can find something else to occupy their collective minds.

When a child misbehaves you ground him to make him not repeat his behaviour, not to undo what he's done.

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One takes it that you have moved to Moscow?
- "...and all of the usual Western tripe".

Rj is the only foreigner on Putin's staff of cronies you recent Mississippi graduate over the pond.

Quote from: Sanguinemoon on 2014-03-24, 23:13:49

Quote from: Jimbro3738 on 2014-03-24, 07:27:06

What the Western powers are thinking baffles me, but I baffle easily. Crimea is a done deal, so the West can find something else to occupy their collective minds.

When a child misbehaves you ground him to make him not repeat his behaviour, not to undo what he's done.

And if the child refuses to be grounded?
Just curious.

The only experts who say that Ukrainians in Crimea opposed referendum are ersi and Sanguinemoon.

Quote from: sergey-pypyrev on 2014-03-24, 07:22:57

The only experts who say that Ukrainians in Crimea opposed referendum are ersi and Sanguinemoon.

On a side note:
According to Ukrainian sources, Kiev ordered the complete withdrawal of its troops from Crimea.
However not all will follow the order since half of them changed sides by joining the Russian army.

http://rt.com/news/tymoshenko-calls-destroy-russia-917/

Shufrych's press service flatly contradicted Tymoshenko, slamming the tape as fake. The press release reads "The conversation didn't take place," as quoted by korrespondent.net.

Quote from: sergey-pypyrev on 2014-03-24, 19:22:51

http://rt.com/news/tymoshenko-calls-destroy-russia-917/

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Shufrych's press service flatly contradicted Tymoshenko, slamming the tape as fake. The press release reads "The conversation didn't take place," as quoted by korrespondent.net.

Who is lying?
Shufrych who claims that the conversation didn't take place?
Tymoshenko who confirmed the authenticity of the conversation but claims that some part of it was edited?

As it looks both of them are lying.