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Quote from: Colonel Rebel on 2014-03-26, 00:27:01

Quote from: SmileyFaze on 2014-03-25, 23:29:40

Does income from all sources combined of $15,000 a year constitute destitution?
And is income verification of $15,000 & under the cutoff for food stamp eligibility?

Also, can the food stamps you speak of only be used for food?

Like @Macallan points out, it really depends where you live. Here in MS (and like he notes in TN), one could probably scrape by on $15k.

Highly doubtful though in areas like Seattle, Miami, etc.

IIRC,  anyone with a total combined income of $23,500 and below qualifies for food stamps.

My total income last year (part-time word) was less than $10 k, yet I made it by just fine without them, even though I would have qualified for them.

Well, I don't believe in food stamps.

Privately funded Soup Kitchens, Meals-on-Wheels, & other charities (YMCA, Salvation Army, etc, etc) are there for those that need them.

I do believe in charity to the destitute, & I personally contribute to a number of selected charities every year that primarily care for those people -- in excess of 10x what you made last year, & I will increase my giving by 5% every other year into the foreseeable future.

What I will never condone is supporting those that should be able to support themselves, especially the chronically unemployed.

I firmly believe in work for welfare --- 40 hours community service a week for the equivalent of minimum wage, with no other subsidy.

I am for the repeal of the Federal income tax, the abolishment of the Internal Revenue Service, & cessation of federal programs & services not specifically required under the U.S. Constitution.

Quote from: Josh on 2014-03-26, 09:31:25

What's the IRS and what is it for?

It's like ФНС

But do you understand the reason for them? Because those institutions were incapable of providing aid for the shear numbers of people requiring their services.  Abolish the IRS? Are you mad? Nobody loves the IRS, but how you care a couple trillion dollar deficit each year. No the so-called Fair Tax will not raise sufficient revenue is likely to push millions of working class Americans into poverty. And in other news already known to everyone but teabaggers, most of those on welfare/SNAP work already.

....My total income last year (part-time word) was less than $10 k, yet I made it by just fine without them, even though I would have qualified for them.

Quote from: Colonel Rebel on 2014-03-26, 12:27:01

....My total income last year (part-time word) was less than $10 k, yet I made it by just fine without them, even though I would have qualified for them.

Now, as opposed to those blood sucking leaches being created by the vote buying demorat propagandists, what this man displays is the [glow=blue,2,300]True American Spirit, [/glow] a quality that's within & can't be bought.  ---------- It's called [glow=black,2,300]Character[/glow].

His obvious Character will define him when he approaches a prospective employer, offering these employers true value & worth in exchange for a job. It is Character like his that employers are looking for. A value that they so desire.

I tip my hat to Dawg, & the hundreds - upon hundreds of thousands like him, for having the American Pride & Character to tough it out & survive, rather than taking the easy way out by selling their values for an easy take. 

[glow=blue,2,300]America needs more men like you! [/glow]

Thank you Dawg, for re-igniting my Pride in The True American Spirit! 

But SanguineMoon does a a point I think you should consider; a relative of mine is in terrible shape. She has a hereditary back disease that has stripped her ability to do consistent work/stand for long periods of time. As such, she is no longer able to work, and must rely on her husband. Her husband is just a general laborer, and does work under the table.

She and he have reached a point of absolute emergency. He can barely afford half of her medication, can barely afford gas for his truck, and they rely on meals in the instances you mention (local Baptist church in their town, mainly, although to @Belfrager's church's credit, a Catholic Church also has pitched into help. ), but they are one of many ppl doing so in that poverty-stricken Delta town. As such, their rations are barely enough for more than 3 days.

The question she now faces is what is more important? Deal with going hungry or paying for her meds?

I have encouraged her to try for food stamps **, as they are exactly for the instance I have just illustrated. If she did so, she could focus on paying for ALL of her meds, and possibly saving up cash for a surgery for her debilitating disease.

One thing I learned throughout college is frugality. I have not understood why ppl pay for satellite (in recent years), as I get by just fine with Netfilx ( $8.55 a month), Hulu Plus ( $7.99 a month) and Amazon Instant Video (pay $99 for the whole she-bango and get it for a year, along with free shipping on certain items and a free book every month to borrow!).

Over here you can receive the large majority of German channels.

Great news!

Nick, en mass, such people's survival generally harms our same species.

Great news!

Quote from: Josh on 2014-03-27, 06:29:45

Nick, en mass, such people's survival generally harms our same species.

Pray tell which ppl you are talking about specifically?

survival != reproduction

Quote from: Frenzie on 2014-03-28, 12:51:04

survival != reproduction

What did you mean by that?
Some factorial?

While I appreciate Mac answering for Josh, I would like for Josh to man up and actually answer a question for once, on here.

Once again; who are you talking about? If it is my relative that I mentioned in response to SF, we will most likely have problems.
If it is whom Mac suggests, carry on.

Quote from: Colonel Rebel on 2014-03-28, 19:49:24

While I appreciate Mac answering for Josh, I would like for Josh to man up and actually answer a question for once, on here.

Once again; who are you talking about? If it is my relative that I mentioned in response to SF, we will most likely have problems.
If it is whom Mac suggests, carry on.

It looks like you're not familiar with Josh's point of view on this subject. He already explained everything on My Opera.
Mac just provided scientific name for Josh's point of view.

... rats can be compassionate. They freed another trapped rat in their cage, even when yummy chocolate served as a tempting distraction. Twenty-three of the 30 rats in the study opened the cage. The rats could have hogged all the chocolate before freeing their partners, but often didn't, choosing to first help, then share.

It's called social behaviour.

This one based on pure science - as I get it without any look-up.

Critics have frequently linked evolution, Charles Darwin and social Darwinism with racialism, nationalism, imperialism and eugenics, contending that social Darwinism became one of the pillars of fascism and Nazi ideology, and that the consequences of the application of policies of "survival of the fittest" by Nazi Germany eventually created a very strong backlash against the theory.