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General => The Lounge => Topic started by: Banned Member on 2014-04-10, 12:30:44

Poll
Question: What's your primary language?
Option 1: American English. votes: 2
Option 2: British English South-East England. votes: 0
Option 3: British English South-West England. votes: 0
Option 4: British English West Midlands/Merseyside. votes: 0
Option 5: British English Northern England. votes: 0
Option 6: British English Southern Scotland. votes: 0
Option 7: Scottish English. votes: 1
Option 8: Cornish, Welsh, Gaelic. votes: 0
Option 9: SA English, Aussie English. votes: 0
Option 10: Other English. votes: 1
Option 11: German. votes: 1
Option 12: French, Dutch. votes: 1
Option 13: Portuguese, Spanish. votes: 0
Option 14: Chinese, Japanese, Korean. votes: 0
Option 15: Other Asian language. votes: 0
Option 16: Estonian. votes: 0
Option 17: One of Scandinavian languages. Or other Baltic language. votes: 0
Option 18: A Slavic language. votes: 1
Option 19: Arabic, Urdu, Pashto, Persian. votes: 0
Option 20: Italian, Greek. votes: 0
Option 21: One of indigenous African languages. votes: 0
Option 22: C++. votes: 0
Option 23: Other. votes: 0
Title: Toponyms
Post by: Banned Member on 2014-04-10, 12:30:44
The poll and the topic may intersect, being not exactly the same.

What is the thread about? Toponyms.
Linguistically, toponyms usually root from much more ancient times than the rest of the local language's lexicon, and often even root from another language - e.g. that of the people inhabiting your area long before your tribe came to settle.
Also, we can just share interesting etymologies not so "prehistoric":)
For example, who knows if Slough in Berkshire (England) was named so because the place was actually boggy?:)
Title: Re: Toponyms
Post by: Frenzie on 2014-04-10, 14:19:04
I'm not sure what I think of your groupings… or the extreme emphasis on a certain island west of here.
Title: Re: Toponyms
Post by: Banned Member on 2014-04-10, 16:26:27
Let's admit I went wild.:)
Title: Re: Toponyms
Post by: jax on 2014-04-10, 19:31:38
A rather idiosyncratic organisation.  This is wrong by the way: "One of [the] Scandinavian languages. Or other Baltic language."

The Scandinavian languages are not Baltic (or the other way around for that matter).
Title: Re: Toponyms
Post by: Frenzie on 2014-04-10, 19:39:10
The Scandinavian languages are not Baltic (or the other way around for that matter).

It would be linguistically wrong, but geographically one might defend Baltic as all of those places bordering the Baltic Sea. And besides bordering the North Sea, what do Dutch and French have in common, anyway? :P

I might use this opportunity to insert a map of the primary human language families:
(https://dndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fe%2Fed%2FPrimary_Human_Language_Families_Map.png&hash=c489c2a8f5037f70cde6468ea7904267" rel="cached" data-hash="c489c2a8f5037f70cde6468ea7904267" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ed/Primary_Human_Language_Families_Map.png) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Primary_Human_Language_Families_Map.png)
Title: Re: Toponyms
Post by: Banned Member on 2014-04-10, 19:53:01
You damn freak(s), heed punctuation and context! (Can you try to make your English better?)
I'm not sure what I think of your groupings…
There were 3 aspects.
1, my own specialty; 2, I tried to group them locally, and 3 - at the same time I had sunavobichiz, sorry. There are us here, and everyone is accounted for, so there were certain certainties to fill. ...
Title: Re: Toponyms
Post by: Frenzie on 2014-04-10, 19:59:34
This one with a few more subdivisions looks a tad more interesting:
(https://dndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Ff%2Ff7%2FHuman_Language_Families_Map.PNG&hash=15acf89cbc2aeb3d6d08903cb7a1c9f3" rel="cached" data-hash="15acf89cbc2aeb3d6d08903cb7a1c9f3" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/Human_Language_Families_Map.PNG) (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Human_Language_Families_Map.PNG)
Title: About the poll
Post by: Banned Member on 2014-04-11, 07:25:54
Estonian.

One of Scandinavian languages. Or other Baltic language.


I'm not sure what I think of your groupings… or the extreme emphasis on a certain island west of here.


A rather idiosyncratic organisation...

O'k, let's sort it out...
When I approached the poll, there occurred 3 circumstances:

  • There are a limited number of members here, who represent certain languages, and I had to jut them out. Other languages were either added to them acc.to p.2, or grouped more generally and separately (p.2).

  • Generally (regarding p.1) I considered grouping the languages by 2 parameters: 1) political closeness/locality, and 2) (less prominent and sporadic) linguistical kindred.

  • As my specialty is within the British field, and we have a handful of guys from there, I decided to employ a more fractioned division for British English (besides, England is the motherland of English).

A propos, there's a fucking SEPARATE choice for PERSONALLY Ersi, while I'm not aware of any other guys from the region here.
Title: Re: Toponyms
Post by: Frenzie on 2014-04-11, 07:37:19
Pssht, the s in à propos may be silent, but it's still written. :D
Title: Re: Toponyms
Post by: Banned Member on 2014-04-11, 07:40:05
Really?
Is it French?
Title: Re: Toponyms
Post by: Frenzie on 2014-04-11, 08:22:01
Mais oui. Au fait, véracité English mots are facile to distinguish from imported French and Latin words. They have just the most delicious je ne sais quoi, très souvent absente from French.
Title: Re: Toponyms
Post by: ersi on 2014-04-11, 08:26:52
Estonian is a Uralic language. So is Finnish. This thread belongs to the Central board. And I'm not debating.
Title: Re: Toponyms
Post by: Banned Member on 2014-04-11, 08:51:18
Welcome to the Lounge, Ersi!:cheers: And if you undertake a step up - to the board, you'll find not only this thread, but at least 8 worthy of your participation! :hail:
Title: Re: Toponyms
Post by: jax on 2014-04-11, 09:53:31
It would be linguistically wrong, but geographically one might defend Baltic as all of those places bordering the Baltic Sea. And besides bordering the North Sea, what do Dutch and French have in common, anyway? :P

I might use this opportunity to insert a map
The whole list would have been technically correct if confusing if the "other" in front of Baltic had been dropped. Not only here I've wondered how contextual "other" is.


  • Chinese, Japanese, Korean.

  • Other Asian language.

  • ...

  • Arabic, Urdu, Pashto, Persian.



If you spoke Arabic, an Asian language that is neither Chinese, Japanese, or Korean you would check Arabic, Urdu, Pashto, Persian, but you have two chances, could you also check Other Asian language? In other words, is "other" referring to the options above "other", or to the whole list? After all Arabic isn't an Asian language other than Arabic.

Anyway, there is a map so everything is forgiven.
Title: Re: Toponyms
Post by: Banned Member on 2014-04-11, 10:07:25
Jax, are you friends with sequences?
Yes, in the case of Yurop the criterion of locality prevails (besides, considering language groups proper, Yurop is a mess (as is Asia sometimes), and I forgot that stuff, mostly; thanks to Ersi - he has reminded us all about the Uralic family (this area is a tough place)).
Title: Re: Toponyms
Post by: Frenzie on 2014-04-11, 10:09:40
Incidentally, I note that English has retained the traditional name for the North Sea, but it doesn't seem to have retained the East Sea name.


Jax, are you friends with sequences?
thanks to Ersi - he has reminded us all about the Uralic family (this area is a tough place)).

It's also clearly demarcated on two maps. :whistle:
Title: Re: Toponyms
Post by: Banned Member on 2014-04-11, 10:18:44
What maps?
Title: Re: Toponyms
Post by: Frenzie on 2014-04-11, 10:28:18
Both of them? :right:
Title: Re: Toponyms
Post by: jax on 2014-04-11, 10:43:32
So I am a little difficult to please. "Other" refers to preceding objects. List order matters. Take this list:


  • One thing

  • Another thing

  • None of the above

  • All of the above


The first option is "One thing", the second option is "Another thing", the third option is NOT "One thing" AND NOT "Another thing", while the fourth would be "One thing" AND "Another thing" AND NOT "One thing" AND NOT "Another thing", which is kind of awkward. Better put this list as

  • One thing

  • Another thing

  • All of the above

  • None of the above

which is not awkward at all.
Title: Re: Toponyms
Post by: Banned Member on 2014-04-11, 12:39:33

Both of them? :right:
:left:
The first is bullshit. The second, lacking any markings too - either for coordinates or the places/countries (titles), at least has a legend.
Title: Re: Toponyms
Post by: Banned Member on 2014-04-11, 12:41:37
Jax, read the options first. In order.
What your first language, by the way?