The DnD Sanctuary

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Where do you get decent stools, anyway?

The chair should have no arm support, so as to enable the correct seated posture. At work I sit approximately this way

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As someone who has had 2 back operations I know a thing or two first hand about sore backs.

That video gave some good tips vis-a-vis the work environment.

Here's another one - put your phone away from the desk so you have to get up to answer it.

Buttocks are not made for being crushed - constantly - against the bench or whatever.
To sit is not 'how' - to sit is dangerous.
Ancient Greeks, as it goes, reportedly lay while eating; or maybe only the upper class, no idea...
Anyway, a healthy hunter - who can imagine him stomping his buttocks against a horizontal surface for minutes? HOURS!? Nah!..
These hemispheres are part of the human's dynamic machinery! They look awesome of a person who uses them not to press the chair but to move his body! The hunter could sit squat - awaiting the game to appear, or maybe kneel for a while! And then run, kill a mammoth, run with the mammoth on his shoulder to his hut, slap his wife's buttocks, telling "Hrrr, wif! I brng yu za mummut!"

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Ancient Greeks, as it goes, reportedly lay while eating; or maybe only the upper class, no idea...

To lay too much has many of the same problems. That being said, my parents jokingly call me a reincarnated Roman because I prefer to lie down while reading etc. as opposed to sitting.

On an unrelated note, I was once asked why I sat with my back so straight. An odd question, I thought.

Ancient Greeks, as it goes, reportedly lay while eating; or maybe only the upper class, no idea...
Anyway, a healthy hunter - who can imagine him stomping his buttocks against a horizontal surface for minutes? HOURS!? Nah!..

Greeks may have laid down, but in Asia people have found ways to sit for long (days, months!) without adverse consequences. Westerners don't find these postures comfy, however, and tend to not take sitting so well.

But you showed another good solution: If you can't sit, then stand. In the middle ages scholars read and wrote while standing at a lectern. The standing posture should be somewhat in Western genes now.

On the other hand, if sitting was really bad for us, according to evolution we would not be able to do it.

Can you drink?

Not me, but close.

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Darwin was a monkey!

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Westerners don't find these postures comfy, however, and tend to not take sitting so well.

If you're talking about sitting with crossed legs, that's fairly comfy. However, I prefer the simple types of wooden benches in Japanese restaurants.

On the other hand, if sitting was really bad for us, according to evolution we would not be able to do it.

The real problem is a lack of movement, probably not a specific posture as such.

Like this one in Tokyo...some benches.
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I know what you mean, though, because I've been in tiny Japanese restaurants in Japan. Good food, modest setting. I used to get that "What are you doing here?" look.

I've never been to Japan. :P

I've never been to Japan.

While I have, I never dined at that restaurant...I doubt that it was there in 1957 and 1962. The one's I ate in were of the bench variety. I'm still a fan of sushi and sashimi, but the local variety is substandard.

I'd love to visit this restaurant, sitting or standing.
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A dinner at Kitcho can run $600 plus...don't forget the tip.

I say to my dog sit and he sits. Simple as that.
I'm naturally the leader of the pack.

I probably sit way too much. Especially at work. I have to stop now and then, get out and walk around-- or I could become stiff when I finally get the job to its destination.

Where do you get decent stools, anyway?

This woman sits and eats for $thousands!
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She doesn't look like someone who eats "that much food" "for three hours".

The video didn't show how much she poops, though...:))

If I doubled my food intake one might imagine there'd be more consequences than twice the poop. :right:

I'm probably the worst at proper body mechanics while sitting. Sitting straight for a prolonged period of time hurts my back. I have tried to train my back some to where I can sit straight longer, however, it's not as long as it should be.

Okay dookie. Eventually I'm sitting all wrong with my legs crossed and the back of chair tilted. Let me fix that....ow, my back!

Haha! I sense sarcasm. At any rate, it's torturous at first but the more you engage yourself to do it the better your posture does get. I've noticed that I walk a little straighter. I was notorious for always walking with my head down. Over the years, I realized that isn't the case anymore.

My dog already sits immediately ninety percent of the times I order. Not bad for a three month little dog.
Course, I'm not Cesar Milan.

Next train will be to kill. Specially police man and the sort.

Why not criminals? (I suppose such don't exist in Portugal...)

Why not criminals?

Maybe it's Dom Belfrager? :D

I'm sure he can accomplish the task with his own hands.  8) Please, send the dogs over here...

Why not criminals? (I suppose such don't exist in Portugal...)

...the way they do in Brazil.

Drug traffickers in Rio de Janeiro ordered shops closed in one of its biggest slums early on Thursday, defying efforts to restore order to the city's vast shantytowns and renewing safety concerns in Brazil as it prepares to host the World Cup and Olympics. Shops were shuttered and more than 5,400 children were turned away from school Thursday morning after traffickers, shouting from motorcycles, ordered a curfew following a shootout with police late Wednesday that killed a drug dealer.

http://www.firstpost.com/world/brazilian-drug-mafia-shut-down-shops-schools-in-rio-811337.html? (http://www.firstpost.com/world/brazilian-drug-mafia-shut-down-shops-schools-in-rio-811337.html?)

There's standard law enforcement, then there's Brazilian law enforcement.

Quote from: Barulheira on 2014-02-21, 10:18:51

Why not criminals?

Maybe it's Dom Belfrager? :D

Everything depends on the point of view... specially when the state has a criminal behavior.

Please, send the dogs over here...

The point with training dogs that I still don't know too well is how to train them to attack directly to the throat. I need someone's throat... maybe you want to help me train them, eh Barulheira? :)
                        

Make'm a zombie. :P

Lots of throats here. Be welcome.

Lots of throats here. Be welcome.

Deep throat?

http://minimalistrunningshoes.org/backjoy-sit-smart-posture

Here's a new(?) product that purports to support proper posture.

Well, this seems to be the only physical thread we have...

My last bicycle tour let me with numbness at two fingers at my right hand.
I'm good now but it took me one week to pass. Irritating thing. I know the cause, so I can correct it.

This to say to you to pay attention to your physical form. Mens sana in corpore sano.
(I don't believe to be saying this... bicycles are really a life changing thing)

Some day I'm afraid that I will even quit smoking...

Yes, proper form is important no matter what you do.

If I really wanted to sit comfortably and happily it would be using John McCain to sit on.

Here's a Dawkinsian scientific overview how bad sitting is for you.

Where do you get decent stools, anyway?

You get decent stools from eating a healthy, balanced diet that includes plenty of fresh greens and grains.
:D

I think you miss-read the word "sit" jaybro

No! I sit when I stool.  :lol:

This looks like a perfect format for a computer desk.
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The laptop (or monitor) would go to the very top. The attached keyboard on the main board. The trackball on the lower board. If the desk is high/tall enough, it should be comfortable to work at it when standing. Any carpenters in the audience?

That probably wouldn't work for me seeing how I'm 1.91m. I figure it's probably best suited for people between about 1.70m and 1.80m. However, that does remind me of this cool video I saw a few months back:

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4-yOB3qFKI[/video]

I think an attachment to a traditional desk might be more practical solution, however.

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But while that is nice, I think I prefer this product.

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I figure it's probably best suited for people between about 1.70m and 1.80m.

That be me.

The video is very cool. It would be wonderful to have a desk with adjustable height. Length-adjustable legs with some mechanism used in gym equipment would be a possibility, but more likely people will have to buy the right kind of chair to suit their desks.

The attached thingies look great too, but unfortunately they presuppose that the table is of excellent solid suitable material. This is hardly ever the case these days. When you try to drive an extra screw somewhere in a modern table, the table simply falls apart.

Ah, as to the pic I gave, I already thought how to height-adjust the desk. I have a wooden box that fits under it.

Edit: Mobile carts like this are a great invention, except for one thing - wheels. I want my workstation to stay put. If I want to place it somewhere else, I lift it. That's why I think my first pic displays a better solution.
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I'm waiting for holographic technology to catch up… :) Make it all virtual! (You know, like in the movies! :) )
No better way to go ergonomic…

(Of course, in the meantime, I adjust what I have to suit my needs and tastes. Not everything I've tried worked as well as I first thought it would: Tipping my monitor on end seemed, at first, a reasonable thing to do. But then I discovered much of my "computing" became difficult.
I like to keep a few (…okay, more than a few…) applications open. Tilting the monitor to vertical effectively defeats this.)
Of course, it shouldn't. But that's what we have for windowing systems, so far…

Hey, shouldn't they provide easily stacked and sorted panes…? (But what do I know? :) )

This must be a sado masochist thread...

I put my monitor on an arm. I find sitting in one spot uncomfortable so this way I can raise it up to face level or drop and tilt it so it's practically in my lap like you would view a tablet (or anything in between). But I brought it up because it also rotates to vertical and back easily. Not a feature I use, although if I read a lot of books on screen I probably would. Hours of tracking scrolling text can give me a headache.   

I put my monitor on an arm.

Yours or somebody else?

Seriously, all those mechanical gadgets don't work. I agree with Oakdale, put it holograhic or even more radical, upload yourselves into software.

Seriously, all those mechanical gadgets don't work.

28" screen floating right in front of me. I'm just saying while you're waiting on those holograms you can have the next best thing. Tried and true.

Seriously, all those mechanical gadgets don't work.

I assure you that my monitor arm has worked extremely well for me the past eight years or so. ;)

Well... it seems that my DnD friends have openly embrassed those modernist sci-fi spaceship things but I'm not convinced. Why do I need an arm for a monitor that stands perfectly well in front of me on top of my table? two monitors in fact, side by side.

Are you always moving your monitors right to lef, up and down? Turn it upside down? you're not floating in space, are you? :)

It's like televisions, we put it somewhere and there it stays forever, nobody is always moving a television I suppose.

Are you always moving your monitors right to lef, up and down?

Yes. Besides that it frees up desk space and makes sure the monitor is sufficiently high.

It's like televisions, we put it somewhere and there it stays forever, nobody is always moving a television I suppose.

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I haven't had a television in a dozen years. That functionality (watching the occasional movie) is one of the things that make me turn my monitor around. :)

It's like televisions

Not really. The field of view is more of an issue. You may notice a color shift or it looks dimmer if you're at the edge of it.

They do make duel mount arms... ;) (Don't knock it until you try it.)

P.S.- I do have a TV in the room. An ancient 4:3 aspect/analog dinosaur of a thing. Probably oughta see if it still turns on, lol.

It's like televisions, we put it somewhere and there it stays forever, nobody is always moving a television I suppose.

Old-time televisions were like that, but not television these days. In old times, "television" meant both the device and the service provided through airwaves. The device was always square (or 4:3) and the airwaves provided whatever was on at the moment. There was fixity in the concept and in the way it played out materially.

These days, you can record, fast forward and rewind the content. The common aspect ratio of the device is 16:9 these days, but you can redirect the content to other screens and devices (I'd assume - at least there are some applications that supposedly do TV in Linux, but I don't have a TV cable, hence no TV signal, hence no way to try). Therefore TV these days is a more mobile and customisable thing, not static as in old times.

I hate modern TV for many reasons and I don't have it, but I like the general idea that I can direct content to this or that screen. And I like the idea that the device is adaptable to the content I pass on to it. When you watch a portrait photo, you have the smartphone one way, when you watch a landscape photo, you have the smartphone another way, and it's good to be able to do it. And it's good to be able to switch the gravity sensor off when you need it off.

A general-purpose monitor should be able to do the same thing. When I watch a 50's widescreen movie, the monitor should be one way. When I read a pdf fullscreen, the monitor is better another way. For me, television is just a screen, a monitor. In this century, I have had no need for the service called "television". Ever since some evil mastermind thought up the idea of two remotes and forced it upon everyone, I wanted nothing to do with it anymore.

Not really. The field of view is more of an issue. You may notice a color shift or it looks dimmer if you're at the edge of it.

Not really an issue with a reasonable quality IPS screen. :) However, if you're not doing anything with the computer it's sure awful convenient to be able to just put it out of the way completely. My computer, while being perhaps the most important tool around my desk (and certainly the most expensive; equivalent in price to probably most of my reference works combined), is only one of the tools at my disposal. Since forgoing on CRTs, it actually acts that way. Sure, there's still the big tower, but that's basically just like a drawer or something.

Not really an issue with a reasonable quality IPS screen.

I've slid out of optimal viewing angle watching movies a time or two. Nothing to write home about. Just had to reach up and tip it down a bit. But yea, desk space was my main reason too. A use I didn't really consider was the "Hey come look at this" moments. Flipping it 180 degrees and just showing them is nice.

Sure, there's still the big tower, but that's basically just like a drawer or something.

Ha ha. I love my huge tower. I got this case for the airflow factor. (I can regulate the temperature pretty easily with a couple of fans even when taxing the crap out of the GPU.) But I like the fact it's not invisible.

Ha ha. I love my huge tower. I got this case for the airflow factor. (I can regulate the temperature pretty easily with a couple of fans even when taxing the crap out of the GPU.) But I like the fact it's not invisible.

In mostly idle I've currently got my CPU at about 31-33 °C and my GPU at 35/36 °C and that's with the fans around the lowest (500 RPM or so?). But it's still quiet enough if I play something a bit more demanding like Tomb Raider so the temp and fans go up. :)

Anyway, I have no special attachment to the big tower except in its utility value. Meaning I obviously won't be able to do without for years to come. :P

'Bout the same here.

I've got 4 other fans on an analog controller but they are usually off or at half because they do make a humming noise. Keeps it about 10C cooler on full tho.

Oh, I just noticed that at actual idle the temp of both drops under 30 °C. Apparently just some minor use is still more active than I thought. :P

Nobody likes a bragger. :P (lol)
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@>1% My CPU and HDDs run 28C with fans at std. I opened a few usual apps and spiked it to 40C real easily tho.
GPU is pretty steady at 35C in Windows with no shortage of pretties. Spikes up to 50C for 1080p on Youtube. (yea I took the snip before I thought to test that.)

I wiped my primary HDD when I upgraded to WinX and haven't had time to add or settle on a version of Linux yet so you're not playing fair anyway, hehe.

I doubt it's much different in Windows, except that Windows taxes the system very significantly more while booting up. Anyway, instead I have a cute little tower cooler for silence (compared to stock), but not one of those massive beasts. I can still access my memory. :)

Part of it is of course the fact that it's freezing out and we consider it a waste to heat the house beyond 18.5 °C (i.e. comfortable warm sweater temp); 19 °C at night depending on how we feel. In summer it'll all run a few degrees hotter. :P

I doubt it's much different in Windows

Yous prolly rite.

Part of it is of course the fact that it's freezing out and we consider it a waste to heat the house beyond 18.5 °C (i.e. comfortable warm sweater temp); 19 °C at night depending on how we feel. In summer it'll all run a few degrees hotter.

20C always for me. Well sometimes cooler in the winter at night. I can't stand to be hot. Especially can't sleep if so.

At night I put it to 17.5 °C.

I have a Samsung TV and a small dongle that attaches to it, and if I find an interesting internet documentary that I'd like to see on a big screen, Google Chrome's browser allows me to "cast" the video to the TV screen. Very nice.

Well whadda ya know - the same tv brand as mine.

Guess I'm the only Mac user here… The last three "upgrades" have deteriorated my Mac Mini's performance considerably.

Ever since some evil mastermind thought up the idea of two remotes and forced it upon everyone, I wanted nothing to do with it anymore.

Huh? You never heard of "universal" remotes…? You can buy them in drugstores! (Must be a Socialist thing… You know: Don't produce anything other than what the powers-that-be approve!)  But, really, what is this "two remotes" thing you speak of?

Wasn't Jobs onto something, when he insisted that the original Macintosh computer not have a fan…? :)

The ergonomics thread has morphed into the energy consumption thread.
Remember what happened, when a company produced chips that could do everything off of 5 volts…?

Now my CPU has to make due with 1.2V. Poor thing. :awww:

Guess I'm the only Mac user here…

Macbook Pro here.

Fairly modern machine you've got there, Jimbro! Are you running El Capitan? (10.11.2)

I've never been to Japan. :P

In Japan there are some awesome places to sit all night long, maybe even for a week or more.

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkNzjvueJm8[/video]

Huh, looks more like an ultra-cheap motel.