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Well there are awful big chink of Islam that fits into the kafir mentality thinking right across the world and a reign of violence abounds. And anyway something more basic - the whole idea of the founder of Islam being a prophet of God which I find a negative. Why would God start a religion with a child molestor? The interpretation of this conundrum will be interesting.

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Quote from: rjhowie on 2014-03-13, 03:17:14

Well there are awful big chink of Islam that fits into the kafir mentality thinking right across the world and a reign of violence abounds. And anyway something more basic - the whole idea of the founder of Islam being a prophet of God which I find a negative. Why would God start a religion with a child molestor? The interpretation of this conundrum will be interesting.

Joseph, Mary's husband, was "90 years old" when he married 12 to 14-year old Mary!Was he too a pedophile?
They lived longer age them
i could quote more
When we read the Bible, we learn about some Prophets marrying many wives, even hundreds of wives in some cases. Let us look at some of the verses from the Old Testament:

In Exodus 21:10, a man can marry an infinite amount of women without any limits to how many he can marry.

In 2 Samuel 5:13; 1 Chronicles 3:1-9, 14:3, King David had six wives and numerous concubines.

In 1 Kings 11:3, King Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines.

In 2 Chronicles 11:21, King Solomon's son Rehoboam had 18 wives and 60 concubines.

And knowing that the Bible's Old Testament allowed before for men to have sex with girls who were at the age of 3, then it wouldn't surprise me that those Prophets who had 700 wives for instance, had many very young "teenage" girls before as their wives.

It wouldn't surprise me if they too had wives that were younger than Mary when she got pregnant, and younger than Aisha when she got married.

Since there are so many wives that those Prophets married (hundreds of wives), then how would anyone know that they didn't marry young women as our beloved Prophet peace be upon him did with his marriage to Aisha peace be upon her?

Quote from: Chimpsy on 2014-03-13, 10:51:35

Well said.
I don't think we will hear much from Mr. Howie about this.

And all those examples are from the Old Testament which is mainly the standard handbook for Jews so guess that is a sly dig at them! The Old Testament is a precursor of Jewish history and it is the New Testament which is the important part of actual Christianity itself. This would be kind of obvious to those with brains but then this is a cosy wee club. Altogether not a very wise nor mature attempt at debunking me. Typical of course.

Apart from the permission to marry many women - which is NOT the topic here - I fail to see the Bible clearly supporting having sex with children. Specific quotes would help.

The draft law would cover Iraq’s Shia citizens and residents, a majority of the population of 36 million. It includes provisions that prohibit Muslim men from marrying non-Muslims, legalizes marital rape by stating that a husband is entitled to have sex with his wife regardless of her consent, and prevents women from leaving the house without permission from their husbands. The law would automatically grant custody over any child age two or older to the father in divorce cases, lower the marriage age to nine for girls and fifteen for boys, and even allow girls younger than nine to be married with a parent’s approval.

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The draft law would cover Iraq’s Shia citizens and residents, a majority of the population of 36 million. It includes provisions that prohibit Muslim men from marrying non-Muslims, legalizes marital rape by stating that a husband is entitled to have sex with his wife regardless of her consent, and prevents women from leaving the house without permission from their husbands. The law would automatically grant custody over any child age two or older to the father in divorce cases, lower the marriage age to nine for girls and fifteen for boys, and even allow girls younger than nine to be married with a parent’s approval.

The law would automatically grant custody over any child age two or older to the father in divorce cases, lower the marriage age to nine for girls and fifteen for boys, and even allow girls younger than nine to be married with a parent’s approval.

I have heard of similar laws in Iran. At first I thought they were kind of unfair to women. Now I know better, because I have seen documentaries and Iranian movies about how real life is there. Seriously, those poor men need legal protection against women. (This strictly about Iran, the prime Shia country. I am also somewhat familiar with Wahhabite Saudi Arabia, and there the case is different, as bad as dark ages in Europe.)

and it is the New Testament which is the important part of actual Christianity itself.

No I will not distance my views on quuers Southern booxing laddie. Any more than you can get away from using an 18th century constitution for wanting to play cowboys. A country that has never grown up.