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Reply #676 –
Quote from: Barulheira on
I, personally, prefer machines to do their jobs, and us to do ours.
Machines have not "their" jobs. People have.
Machines are not entitled to be treated as persons by way of using "their".
Never compare machine's "work" with people's work. Not the same nature.

A computer doesn't "works", a computer simply fires people. While hiring imbeciles.
I know personally many "project managers" at IT jobs. Imbeciles, the post modernist slaves.

A matter of attitude.

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Reply #677 –
No doubt, Le Grande Nation takes its fight against terror seriously.

Louis de Funès, the Policeman from Saint-Tropez reloaded.



More than 50 years later the French have now their armed "Burkini-Cops" who run a tight ship on French beaches. :)

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Reply #678 –
Quote from: krake on
Louis de Funès
No one here knows who was Louis de Funès.
Much much better than his American counter part, the grotesque Jerry Lewis.
A matter of attitude.
 

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Reply #680 –
Quote from: Frenzie on
Weird,

To sum it up - opportunism and disrespect toward another culture group coming from a former colonial power.

BTW,
beach fun of the twenties - US-District Washington D.C.


or Atlantic City of the thirties


or today's burkini

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Reply #682 –
Quote from: Frenzie on
Only disrespecting Western culture is acceptable? :p
Has anybody claimed that it is?
Since nobody did, wonder what the goal of your question is?

BTW,

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Reply #685 –
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Louis de Funès
No one here knows who was Louis de Funès.
Much much better than his American counter part, the grotesque Jerry Lewis.
I know, even though Pierre Richard was more current during my era.

Oh please, Funès movies were and are repeated on TV all the time. That's like saying you don't know Laurel & Hardy. ;)

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Reply #686 –
Anyone claiming burkinis are disrespectful?

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Reply #687 –
Wouldn't matter if they were. I reject the premise that culture needs to be respected (except in the weaker sense of being a member of polite society). I'm just poking fun at the notion that it's disrespect that's the problem, especially when coupled with such major distasteful disrespect of our own hard-fought freedoms. Or just the general context of disrespect toward American imperialist culture. ;)

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Reply #688 –
Are the nuns below also showing their disrespect for our own hard-fought freedoms?
Would they also get harassed and fined by "burkini cops"?



As for the Daily Mail article, that women harassed by four cops wasn't even wearing a burkini. You can take a closer look at the pictures. ;)
She was wearing leggins, a turquoise top and a turquoise kerchief. Ergo, the scene is even 'weirder', so to speak...

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Reply #690 –
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Are the nuns below also showing their disrespect for our own hard-fought freedoms?
I was talking about you, but yes. Their male-sanctioned form of worship disrespects the hard-fought rights of beguines to practice religious devotion in their own, female manner. But so what if they are? That's no cause for legal action. It's irrelevant whether anyone's being disrespectful of anything, which was my point. ;)

Quote from: Barulheira on
Well... my premise is that anything should be respected - unless there's a reason not to.
If I say I respect Ayaan Hirsi Ali I mean something quite different than if I say I respect Trump. The default form of mutual respect in polite society lies somewhere in between. But only the Ayaan variety is true respect.

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Reply #693 –
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Eastern Europe wants an EU army.

http://mobile.lemonde.fr/international/article/2016/08/26/l-idee-d-une-armee-europeenne-fait-son-chemin-en-europe-centrale_4988611_3210.html
The far right in the Vysegrad 4 is quite to virulently Anti-American, just like the moderate right is pro-American. It's a useful litmus test,  bit like if a far-right group hates Jews more than Muslims,  it's probably Nazi influenced.

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Reply #694 –
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The far right in the Vysegrad 4 is quite to virulently Anti-American, just like the moderate right is pro-American.
Is this only a characteristic of the Vysegrad 4 or applies to other European countries too?
And what about the left (far or moderate), assuming that they still exist?

BTW, Mr. Shock and Awe aka Donald Rumsfeld comes to my mind. He was highly praysing New Europe.

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Reply #695 –
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Their male-sanctioned form of worship disrespects the...
I'm just afraid they are punishing the victims.
I heard on the French news that the ban's been overturned in court, so we can sleep tight tonight.  :cheers:

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BTW, Mr. Shock and Awe aka Donald Rumsfeld comes to my mind. He was highly praysing New Europe.
Has the Bush administration ever appeared like they knew what they were doing?

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Reply #696 –
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BTW, Mr. Shock and Awe aka Donald Rumsfeld comes to my mind. He was highly praysing New Europe.
Has the Bush administration ever appeared like they knew what they were doing?
Plannings for Iraq's invasion started already under Clinton's presidency. Bush was only the perfect idiot to fulfill that plan.
Besides, the whole 'free' corporate media was behind Bush. Neither can I recall of any namable opposition on the Democrats part.
So blaming today just a few people of the Bush administration comes handy -  hypocrisy at its best.
I assume you aren't such naive to believe that the USA is a banana republic where foreign policy and long-term geostrategic interests are changing with each President. :left:

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Reply #697 –
Of course they don't; Americans are always pressuring Europeans to go to war. But insulting your traditional allies out in the open is still a little different. :P What they are to blame for is the public relations failure, in other words.

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Reply #698 –
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But insulting your traditional allies out in the open is still a little different. :P What they are to blame for is the public relations failure, in other words.
A public relations failure ?

Goebbels called it propaganda. We call it today, public relations. Two different terms definig the exactly same thing.
So what matters for you? Propaganda (the phrasing) or its goal?
To put it more directly - would you prefer to be warned in round terms or to be flattered before getting your ass kicked?

BTW, you seem to be somehow disgusted at the idea of Trump as US president. Would you prefer a charming Victoria Nuland (f*ck the EU) as US foreign minister instead?
(No, you don't have to answer this since it's merely a rhetorical question ;) )

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Reply #699 –
Quote from: krake on
So what matters for you? Propaganda (the phrasing) or its goal?
To put it more directly - would you prefer to be warned in round terms or to be flattered before getting your ass kicked?
What matters is to reach a form of consensus rather than just pushing through with your original vision. Old Bush and Clinton were capable of it. Consensus goes two ways. One is to make concessions, the other is to convince your partners to do so (PR/propaganda). If I understand you correctly you're saying that the Old Bush and Clinton administrations were just putting on a better show, but the show has consequences beyond European perception of the US.

Speaking of propaganda, The Century of the Self is an interesting documentary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ3RzGoQC4s

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Would you prefer a charming Victoria Nuland (f*ck the EU) as US foreign minister instead?
Yes, of course I do. Fuck Victoria Nuland, but fuck Trump more. <3<3<3 dictatorships coupled with integral intellectual negligence is much worse than +_+ EU. That's basic pragmatism.