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Reply #500 –
Quote from: krake on
"Association" or "Federation" - it's a matter of language.
No, it's a matter of level. A federation being the higher level, meaning an association of associations.
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There is no UK or GB association/federation and never was for obvious reasons.
Their problem. It doesn't allows them to play with four teams in a competition.
By the way, they also are present at the UN as four countries? At the EU they count for how many?

Scotland can participate in the European Championship the day they leave the UK, not before. So it goes for all the others.

The current situation is simply inadmissible and I hope it takes not too much time to someone to complain to a proper court to ban them from further competitions. There's not any justification to allow such deviation from the principles of a fair competition to continue. Each sovereign country can participate with one and only one team into competition, as obvious.
A matter of attitude.

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Reply #501 –
Quote from: Belfrager on
Their problem. It doesn't allows them to play with four teams in a competition.
The UK has never played with four teams in a competition. The countries of Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland do, though I don't recall all 4 of them ever qualifying at the same time in any competition. Unless you include the Home Internationals which is no longer played.

Quote from: Belfrager on
The current situation is simply inadmissible and I hope it takes not too much time to someone to complain to a proper court to ban them from further competitions.
Let me know how it goes, it would save us the embarrassment of missing out on qualification all the time.  :yes:
The start and end to every story is the same. But what comes in between you have yourself to blame.

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Reply #502 –
Quote from: Luxor on
The UK has never played with four teams in a competition. The countries of Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland do,
Are you at some sort of self denialism, Luxor?
The UK has always played with a variety of selections simultaneously.

Did ever Spain played with selections from all the former independent kingdoms of Galiza, Navarra, Asturias, and so on?
Nope. Shame on you.
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Reply #503 –
Quote from: Belfrager on
Quote from: krake on
"Association" or "Federation" - it's a matter of language.
No, it's a matter of level. A federation being the higher level, meaning an association of associations.
For those who can read and are able to understand what they are reading: AFA
So you better should stop trolling, except it's one of your hobbies. ;)
BTW, "Deutscher Fussball-Bund" which translates "German Footbal Association" is as many other associations worldwide, the governing body of football of the  country.

Quote from: Belfrager on
Their problem. It doesn't allows them to play with four teams in a competition.
Not at all.
The only person on earth who seems to have a problem with it is you. :)

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By the way, they also are present at the UN as four countries? At the EU they count for how many?
Don't mix up the UN with FIFA. They are different entities.
Once again, we are speaking of nations and national teams. It doesn't matter if the country of a nation is independent or not. If you want to deprive nations from having their own national teams, go ahead and change the FIFA rules. Good luck. :)

Quote from: Belfrager on
Did ever Spain played with selections from all the former independent kingdoms...
No, it didn't but it could have if there would have been more democracy in the post-Franco era.
If Spain would be at least as democratic as the UK , then Catalans and  Basques could have their own football association (federation) accredited by the FIFA. No football fan would complain, except someone from Portugal maybe. :D

 

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Reply #504 –
The European Championship is organized by the UEFA not the FIFA. You clearly know nothing about sportive laws and organization.

Edit:
I tell you the reason why the UK is allowed a treatment of favor and exception regarding all other countries:
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Each of the countries of the United Kingdom, sometimes referred to as the home nations, has a national football association responsible for the overall management of football within their respective nation: The Football Association, (FA) is responsible for England and the Crown Dependencies and was founded in 1863, The Scottish Football Association (SFA) was founded in 1873 followed by the Football Association of Wales in 1876 and Irish Football Association (IFA) in 1880. They are the world's four oldest national football associations and play an important part in football worldwide as they take up four of the eight seats on the International Football Association Board (IFAB), which determines the Laws of the Game, (the other four seats being occupied by FIFA.
There you have why they are allowed to compete with four teams while everybody else only can compete with one.

Read the rest of the article and you'll see if they are allowed to do the same at the Olympic Games...
A matter of attitude.

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Reply #505 –
What's clear to me is that Football is not the Olympic Games.
The Olympic Games are supposed to gather countries, while the FIFA is supposed to gather Football Associations.
Whether it's fair or not, it's another question.

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Reply #506 –
Quote from: Barulheira on
Whether it's fair or not, it's another question.
Whether it's fair or not, it's the question.
Four local associations, all them from a single political sovereign entity - the UK, acts as being the owners and rulers of the sport, establishing a de facto situation that benefit them and can't be justified by any legal or moral principle.
At any other area or sport such situation would be just a big joke.



A matter of attitude.

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Reply #507 –
Quote from: Belfrager on
Did ever Spain played with selections from all the former independent kingdoms of Galiza, Navarra, Asturias, and so on?
Do they all have individual football associations? If not, that will be why not, I would imagine.
Quote from: Belfrager on
Four local associations, all them from a single political sovereign entity - the UK
Four individual football associations, one from each country. who would never unite as one, as it would be the English FA in all but name.
Complain to FIFA if it bothers you that much. It might give the SFA something to occupy them while we sit out another tournament.

The start and end to every story is the same. But what comes in between you have yourself to blame.

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Reply #508 –
Quote from: Luxor on
Quote from: Belfrager on
Did ever Spain played with selections from all the former independent kingdoms of Galiza, Navarra, Asturias, and so on?
Do they all have individual football associations? If not, that will be why not, I would imagine.
Course they have.

Quote from: Luxor on
Complain to FIFA if it bothers you that much.
It's the UEFA.
Neither UEFA or FIFA are above regular courts so it's up to the French to complain since they're playing in French territory. A cautionary measure suspending the championship until a final French court decision would be perfectly admissible and legal. :)

A matter of attitude.

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Reply #509 –
Quote from: Belfrager on
it's up to the French to complain since they're playing in French territory.
I think they are rather busy at the moment.
The start and end to every story is the same. But what comes in between you have yourself to blame.

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Reply #510 –
Quote from: Belfrager on
The European Championship is organized by the UEFA not the FIFA. You clearly know nothing about sportive laws and organization.

FIFA, because it stands above UEFA and other regional confederations.

Quote from: Belfrager on
Edit:
I tell you the reason why...

You are telling me the reason?  :jester:
However, I see that you've started to read about football. :D
You should have done it before making stupid claims. ;)

Quote from: Belfrager on
Four local associations, all them from a single political sovereign entity - the UK, acts as being the owners and rulers of the sport, establishing a de facto situation that benefit them and can't be justified by any legal or moral principle.
1. Four associations representing four nations with their national teams!
2. The UK doesn't benefit! How could it?
One team made out of the best players from the four associations would give a much stronger team than any of the four! This should be self-evident even for a half-brained. :D

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Quote from: Luxor on
Quote from: Belfrager on
Did ever Spain played with selections from all the former independent kingdoms of Galiza, Navarra, Asturias, and so on?
Do they all have individual football associations? If not, that will be why not, I would imagine.
Course they have.
AFAIK none of them is affiliated to the FIFA or to the UEFA. Though the Catalan Football Federation is the oldest one in Spain...

Quote from: Belfrager on
Neither UEFA or FIFA are above regular courts so it's up to the French to complain since they're playing in French territory.
Once again, you're utterly wrong.
Even if they play on French territory, they have to obey the rules imposed by the UEFA and FIFA.
First you have to agree with the rules before you are permitted to host the tournament.

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Reply #511 –
Don't worry, Belfrager. On Thursday it's England vs Wales. They will kick each other out and the tournament can continue in a normal way.

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Reply #512 –
Quote from: ersi on
Don't worry, Belfrager. On Thursday it's England vs Wales. They will kick each other out and the tournament can continue in a normal way.
Secondary. The main thing is that Portugal won against a selection of paralytics from Iceland by 1-1. :)
Since they are handicapped, our players imitated them so our victory could be fair.
I'm looking forward for our next victory.
A matter of attitude.

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Reply #513 –
Speaking of Iceland, currently about 6% of the country is residing in France:

http://icelandmonitor.mbl.is/news/news/2016/06/10/8_prosent_of_icelanders_are_off_to_euro_2016_in_fra/
http://www.lemonde.fr/les-decodeurs/article/2016/06/14/un-islandais-sur-dix-est-en-france-pour-l-euro-2016_4950295_4355770.html



(Saying 6% is "almost one in ten" seems a bit clickbaitish though.)

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Reply #514 –
Quote from: Frenzie on
Speaking of Iceland, currently about 6% of the country is residing in France
Imagine there would be World Cup now in France with the Chinese national football team among those qualified for the tournament.
What if about 6% of China's population would reside now in France? :D

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Reply #515 –
@krake : May I have your thoughts on Brexit, were "Leave" to actually win the vote?

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Reply #516 –
I'm fine with whatever decision the Britons will take. :)
IMHO it's their and only their right to choose what they think to be best for them.

I'm deeply impressed that the Britons get the chance to vote by referendum.
It'll be the second referendum within a short time, the first one being about Scotland's independence.  Kudos!
Such referendums are unimaginable in Germany or most other European countries excepting Switzerland.

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Reply #517 –
Quote from: krake on
What if about 6% of China's population would reside now in France?  :D
I'd move there because I love both Chinese and French food. Just imagine croissants with sweet and sour chicken!

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Reply #518 –
So far Brexit goes according to plan. After the UK leaves, the last step is Scotland rejoining the Union, taking the UK's place.

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Reply #519 –
Forget the irrelevant Brexit. My team got a null against Austria, Hitler's homeland and Germany's backyard.
I'm ashamed.

We'll have to smash Hungary ruthlessly, a country that I respect. Not easy to be an European.
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Reply #520 –
Quote from: Belfrager on
My team got a null against Austri
It was nice of the preening Ronaldo to miss his penalty. Such sportsmanship should not go without it's reward.  :yes:
The start and end to every story is the same. But what comes in between you have yourself to blame.

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Reply #521 –
Quote from: Luxor on
It was nice of the preening Ronaldo to miss his penalty. Such sportsmanship should not go without it's reward.  :yes:
:irked:
The Gods were not with us.
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Reply #523 –
An update, Europe today:

  • Sweden is celebrating Midsummer 
  • EURO 2016 is entering the round of 16, Switzerland vs Poland, Wales vs Northern Ireland, Croatia vs Portugal, France vs Ireland, Germany vs Slovakia, Hungary vs Belgium, Italy vs Spain, England vs Iceland
  • Prospective US President Donald Trump will arrive in Scotland 

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Reply #524 –
You've left out an important one.
  • In the UK more than 50% did vote for Brexit.