Re: What's Going on in Europe Reply #425 – 2016-04-29, 07:49:47 Can you blame your savagery on your climate? I think not.What will you blame the death of your civilization on…? (You won't see it, so you don't have to answer. But you helped bring it about, with all your Marxist and multi-culti BS, don't you think? Nah! You don't. You were trained not to…Yet you pretend to be a Catholic.I forget which thread jax posted this… (It was a Tedx video, which I normally ignore.) But, as always, it was pertinent. (I'll look for the link, later… I've been drinking Too much.)…perhaps, not too much! But of course I have. I highly recommend this talk. Like, really! Last Edit: 2016-04-29, 09:21:55 by OakdaleFTL
Re: What's Going on in Europe Reply #426 – 2016-04-29, 10:59:13 Quote from: Belfrager on 2016-04-28, 23:32:35I'll resume it for you, no follow the rules and you're death. Northern "civilization" hospitality.Yep, you can blame the climate for your savagery.That's pretty much nature's hospitality rules. Breaking them can be fatal. But now winter is leaving, time for roads to clear. https://youtu.be/FPxAvHdrK6UActually, while civilisation came very late to Northern Europe, South-Eastern Europe has had about three millennia of city living while Northern Europe has only had about one millennium, shelter has always been plentiful. Which is a good part of reason why European migrants advanced north as the ice age ice sheet was retreating.
Re: What's Going on in Europe Reply #427 – 2016-04-29, 13:25:33 Quote from: jax on 2016-04-29, 10:59:13time for roads to clear.Hm, I guess at some point they turn around and widen the road a bit or something?
Re: What's Going on in Europe Reply #428 – 2016-04-29, 14:04:47 Trollstigen was the major road some 50 years back. Then it was replaced with a more modern, wider, and not the least flatter road. Then this one was turned into a tourist/cycling road. That includes tourist buses (this is after all the scenic route), something the road is spectacularly unsuited for (as you can hear the motorcyclist cursing in the middle of this video):https://youtu.be/xTlsgKVilYISince it is now just a tourist road they don't bother to try to keep it open during the winter, and rather clear the road of snow come spring.
Re: What's Going on in Europe Reply #429 – 2016-04-29, 23:14:41 Quote from: OakdaleFTL on 2016-04-29, 07:49:47What will you blame the death of your civilization on...? (You won't see it, so you don't have to answer. But you helped bring it about, with all your Marxist and multi-culti BS, don't you think? Nah! You don't. You were trained not to...Yet you pretend to be a Catholic.I don't know if I have the patience to wait for you to stop babbling...Quote from: jax on 2016-04-29, 10:59:13Actually, while civilisation came very late to Northern Europe,Has it arrived already? no one noticed it.
Re: What's Going on in Europe Reply #430 – 2016-04-30, 06:29:57 Quote from: jax on 2016-04-29, 10:59:13Actually, while civilisation came very late to Northern Europe, South-Eastern Europe has had about three millennia of city living while Northern Europe has only had about one millennium, shelter has always been plentiful. Which is a good part of reason why European migrants advanced north as the ice age ice sheet was retreating.Funny thing how being a migrant is a matter of perspective. In terms of historical anthropology, scientists say that Uralic peoples migrated from Urals to where they are now. In terms of folkloristics, the peoples' self-perception says they always were where they are now. My theory is this: Ice sheet retreats slowly, imperceptibly over generations. When the people who are used to living next to the ice sheet move along as the ice sheet retreats, then from their own point of view they always lived next to the ice sheet and never really moved. And their perception is true because they never invaded anybody else's territory.Vikings were invaders from the point of view of those who got raided, but wherever Vikings settled, they swiftly assimilated to the local population, so it was actually in their character to be settled, not migrant. They migrated for a while for some other reasons than due to the characteristic of being migratory.
Re: What's Going on in Europe Reply #431 – 2016-04-30, 10:31:50 It's a fair point that early farmers seeking out new land to till, perhaps in the neighbouring valley, might not have looked upon themselves as migrants, though they were in our view. But agriculture came late to Europe, seven millennia ago, depending how you count, in today's Turkey, and it spread slowly, primarily along rivers. An estimate is 1 km/year. Most of the time there have been Europeans (200+ millennia with Neandertals, 40+ millennia with recent African migrants) they were hunter-gatherers. Hunter-gatherers have to be nomads not to deplete local resources, besides they have no farms or other chains to weigh them down.The early hunter-gatherers reaching Scandinavia at the edge of the ice sheet certainly were sea faring, Scandinavia at the time would be something similar to today's Greenland. Like hunter-gatherers everywhere else on the planet they were supplanted by farmers wherever there were arable land or slash-and-burn forests and fields."Always" in folkloric sense, much like "since time immemorial", means before it was there before I was born, or before I arrived. Europeans too have always migrated. Having a farm slowed this process, never halted it. Losing the farm, whether to marauding tribes or to marauding banks, set it back in motion. Farming became predominant. The Indo-European languages, which most Europeans speak, were propagated by farmers. The minority languages, before or after, came predominantly with farming as well. The Vikings were fishermen-farmers who dabbled in international finance. They weren't nomadic. A few that specialised in hostile takeovers became expatriates and executives, but most returned to their farm after hopefully getting a nice severance package.
Re: What's Going on in Europe Reply #432 – 2016-04-30, 11:04:47 Quote from: jax on 2016-04-30, 10:31:50Hunter-gatherers have to be nomads not to deplete local resources, besides they have no farms or other chains to weigh them down.Nomads is not such a simple concept. There's a difference if the hunter-gatherers go in circles/cycles known to themselves or if they keep pushing in any random direction regardless of obstacles like Gypsies or like Mongols under Genghis Khan. Even the most nomadic Mongols actually know pretty well where their own lands end and other peoples' lands begin. Quote from: jax on 2016-04-30, 10:31:50The early hunter-gatherers reaching Scandinavia at the edge of the ice sheet certainly were sea faring, Scandinavia at the time would be something similar to today's Greenland. Like hunter-gatherers everywhere else on the planet they were supplanted by farmers wherever there were arable land or slash-and-burn forests and fields.The Saami people and culture still persist in Scandinavia. Maybe knowing what a row-boat is makes one sea-faring. It certainly does in the Pacific.Quote from: jax on 2016-04-30, 10:31:50"Always" in folkloric sense, much like "since time immemorial", means before it was there before I was born, or before I arrived.No, it doesn't. Folklore is not someone's individual memory. It's the people's collective memory. Quote from: jax on 2016-04-30, 10:31:50Europeans too have always migrated. Having a farm slowed this process, never halted it. Losing the farm, whether to marauding tribes or to marauding banks, set it back in motion. I'm detecting a bone-headed willingness to not distinguish between settled people and migrating people. People forced to migrate (like under Stalin's deportations) should be considered different from migratory people (like Gypsies), just like marauding tribes are different from tribes being marauded, n'est-ce pas? They certainly have different folklores to tell the tale accordingly.
Re: What's Going on in Europe Reply #433 – 2016-04-30, 11:54:13 Yes, there is absolutely a distinction between hunter-gatherers, pastoral herders (which included the Mongols), and various "urban nomads". Leaving the last group aside, the nomadic way of life is fast going extinct, there are very few hunter-gatherers and herders left. The Sami were originally hunter-gatherers, but later became herders and fishermen, and farmers. There are a few families that quite profitably herd reindeer, but most Sami are urban or otherwise non-nomadic, and the remaining reindeer herders have permanent housing as well and are at most semi-nomadic. I agree there is a distinction between migrants who move once, or maybe up to a dozen times or so, and otherwise are sedentary, and herders who mostly travel the same routes yearly. But in either case the move isn't random. In the past as in the present, we move away from danger and problems towards places we believe have the best prospects, whether that move is out of fear, frustration, hope, or adventure.
Re: What's Going on in Europe Reply #434 – 2016-04-30, 13:43:18 Quote from: jax on 2016-04-30, 11:54:13the nomadic way of life is fast going extinct, there are very few hunter-gatherers and herders left.There's no place for free men anymore.People will gain awareness and maybe it will change.
Re: What's Going on in Europe Reply #435 – 2016-05-04, 08:59:43 The new EU plan to solve the migrant crisishttp://www.lemonde.fr/europe/article/2016/05/04/les-quatre-volets-du-plan-de-la-commission-europeenne-contre-la-crise-migratoire_4913176_3214.htmlNo more visas for TurksCommon asylum system which is durable and equitableBetter ability to kick out illegal immigrants and such (Eurodac)Establishment of a European asylum agency
Re: What's Going on in Europe Reply #436 – 2016-05-04, 22:39:18 QuoteLa Turquie devra, de son côté, répondre à 72 critères précis.
Re: What's Going on in Europe Reply #437 – 2016-05-09, 12:59:39 Mercury starts its journey across the Sun. I guess I already missed this sky-event.
Re: What's Going on in Europe Reply #438 – 2016-05-09, 14:00:06 We need the TTIP for competitive purposes, argues this opinion piece.http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/why-germans-need-to-get-on-board-with-ttip-free-trade-pact-a-1091075.html#ref=rssQuotePerhaps the Europeans should think back to the history of their own single market. It became a huge success, but started as the European Coal and Steel Community. The planned Atlantic deal could be launched first for important industrial and service branches and later expanded to other economic sectors. Indeed, a "TTIP Light" would be better than no agreement at all.Critics of the agreement are right on many points, but they don't have an answer to one question: Which role should Europe play in the future of the global economy? Exiting globalization is not an option.
Re: What's Going on in Europe Reply #439 – 2016-05-09, 17:29:48 QuoteIt is to the anti-TTIP movement's credit that it has unveiled the trade negotiations' democratic deficit and turned them into the subject of political debate.Hear, hear!!!QuoteSo wouldn't the easiest solution be to listen to the "stop TTIP" slogans that are being carried around German streets by tens of thousands of environmental and health activists?That would be the simplest option, but it wouldn't be the right one.So once again a Spiegel propagandist tries to teach the unwashed masses what's right or wrong.QuoteCritics of the agreement are right on many points, but they don't have an answer to one question: Which role should Europe play in the future of the global economy? Exiting globalization is not an option.So, so - critics of the agreement are right on many points?Nobody was asking for exiting globalization, shithead.Also no sane German wants national or trans-Atlantic corporations to dictate our domestic and foreign policies. Therefore we have our own politicians no matter how dumb or corrupt they are."Der Spiegel" the trans-Atlantic cornet, made much propaganda for TTIP in the past.People opposing TTIP were dismissed as conspiracy theorists. The number of those 'conspiracy theorists' has increased permanently in Germany (actually over 70% are against TTIP). Some leaked documents prove the misgiving of those 'conspiracy theorists' towards TTIP. Now, those who oppose TTIP aren't called 'conspiracy theorists' anymore by "The Spiegel". Confronted with the leaked documents, The Spiegel has now to soften its voice.If "The Spiegel" would have a breeze of decency then they would have to ask in the first place why the TTIP contract is top secret.You don't keep something top secret if it is beneficial to the general public. Not even parliamentarian have free access to the documents!
Re: What's Going on in Europe Reply #440 – 2016-05-10, 23:05:08 Quote from: Frenzie on 2016-05-09, 14:00:06Which role should Europe play in the future of the global economy? Exiting globalization is not an option.Quote from: krake on 2016-05-09, 17:29:48Nobody was asking for exiting globalization, shithead.Fuhrer's freudian dialogues.
Re: What's Going on in Europe Reply #441 – 2016-05-13, 12:00:30 Quote from: Belfrager on 2016-05-04, 22:39:18QuoteLa Turquie devra, de son côté, répondre à 72 critères précis. Our ally, the sultan from Ankara is waging war against his own people. He is bombing now cities of his own state.[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RG_exvGtA_0[/video]"Is Turkish Army Using White Phosphorus Munitions (Bombs) in Kurdish Town Nusaybin?"[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzFlVqSzPKw[/video]
Re: What's Going on in Europe Reply #442 – 2016-05-13, 20:07:04 There is a lot going on in Turkey which is very far from democratic or principled. It was bad enough the mass massacre of Kurs early in the 20th century but the place is still much the damn same. When a government takes over a television company because it does not support the government and does the same with a newspaper is says something. Now it has git one h of a heck worse because it has now been discovered that hundreds of journalists from all over the world - France, Britain, America, Japan Russia and Europe have been listed as not wanted. Some had previous been badly treated, injured or even killed. That is a terrible indictment on democracy which is hardly existing in the nightmare Turkey is for any decency.
Re: What's Going on in Europe Reply #443 – 2016-05-13, 22:13:32 Quote from: krake on 2016-05-13, 12:00:30against his own people.Nope, against Kurdish. Poor Kurdish, everyone wants to exterminate them... and no one speaks in their defense. Sorry, no one acts in their defense.Yet, they still exist.
Re: What's Going on in Europe Reply #444 – 2016-05-14, 08:15:59 Quote from: Belfrager on 2016-05-13, 22:13:32Quote from: krake on 2016-05-13, 12:00:30against his own people.Nope, against Kurdish.They have the Turkish citizenship, were born there and the land they live on since generations is Turkish state territory.Quote from: Belfrager on 2016-05-13, 22:13:32Poor Kurdish, everyone wants to exterminate them... and no one speaks in their defense. Sorry, no one acts in their defense.It happened in the past with the Armenians as well.At that time as today, Turkey was considered a strategic partner for Europe. Today it is also a strategic (NATO) partner for the USA.So who cares about human lives (this time the Kurds) if there are upper interests at stake...
Re: What's Going on in Europe Reply #445 – 2016-05-14, 23:12:06 Trouble with the Turkey situation is that it is a permanent thing with the Turks making things difficult for the Kurds. What was it in the early 1900's a million exterminated? They are not happy in Turkey and the Turkish semi-dictatorship has little time for them. Recently nearly a hundred civilians were burned to death in a pogrom by the Turk army, water and electricity cut off and persecution of civilians. Yet the Turks get away with it.
Re: What's Going on in Europe Reply #446 – 2016-05-15, 03:32:36 Maybe "Great" Britain should go back and do it right, for once…(Mind you, I think they did it right, once: They tried to subjugate their American colonies… How'd that work out? The world's most powerful military -and navy- failed; because of silly political squabbles… Which they still have! Only, now, they have them because of their "wide" democracy… )Be grateful, Howie, that your country/countries have little to no influence in the world! (Indeed, the only thing other people care about is Brexit… How quaint! ) Last Edit: 2016-05-15, 03:42:38 by OakdaleFTL
Re: What's Going on in Europe Reply #447 – 2016-05-15, 06:34:45 The Eurovision song contest ended up making a political statement against Russia. The fact that this occurred by means of popular voting may mean something, even though I doubt it will have any effect on the political arena. The day before I saw consistently in Finnish news how Russia was asserted to be the "overwhelming" favourite (this is called Finlandisation), but eventually Ukraine became the winner. Ukraine's song is in Crimean Tatar language and refers to certain historical events that annoy Russians, because Russians were the perpetrators.
Re: What's Going on in Europe Reply #448 – 2016-05-15, 08:44:54 Quote from: ersi on 2016-05-15, 06:34:45The Eurovision song contest ended up making a political statement against Russia.And against Germany which by 'popular voting' landed on last place. BTW, I don't watch that crap. I don't even know someone among my friends who does.It's trash at its worst. Our American friends can convice themself by watching at YouTube.
Re: What's Going on in Europe Reply #449 – 2016-05-15, 09:43:12 Thankfully I didn't even know it was going on.
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