The DnD Sanctuary

Is the intellectual debate on DnD meaningful here...elsewhere?  And if so, to whom?  Is it merely entertainment for the members?  Perhaps a mental exercise to stay intellectually fit, or maybe just a chance to show off what we got--or don't got?   :knight:  :cheers:

Elsewhere.

I'm always trying to understand somebody else's point of view. I can't see many here doing the same. But it has been good to me. I've learned a lot.

(BTW, when I ask questions and I "don't got" answers, I stay in the void.)

But it has been good to me. I've learned a lot.

Ganda mentiroso... :lol:
(I said Barulheira is a joker/lier)

discourse is human habit since Baheulheia Age .
and People get smarter ,  because they  socialize  .

since with socialize and discourse they can trading information , knowledge , experience , etc .
with the results , they know which are works , or which are do not works .

on the other hand ,    I don't think we can chit - chat at the coffee shop, karaoke club  , nor at the campfire ,  etc.

because there is distance gap in here .

I'm always trying to understand somebody else's point of view. I can't see many here doing the same. But it has been good to me. I've learned a lot.

(BTW, when I ask questions and I "don't got" answers, I stay in the void.)

Yes I would go along with that, I've learnt a lot too. ... about strongly held views of different types, for example in the Opera D&D about certain what I would term over-the-top views on Religion. Normally they were views where there was nothing in common with my own, but they were often the most informative.

Then there is the process of learning what one thinks oneself, which is not always obvious unless you have to defend your opinions against someone else.

There is a huge advantage in having, therefore, people that you don't agree with participating in the forum.

,,, and most of us like a good argument.

So bring back neo-fascist Buddhist fundamentalist, left-of-communist advocates and gun-voting vigilantes - all good stuff for a healthy debate.

God save our most Glorious Queen. Wonder where he went!

Intellectual? No - don't do intellectual.

So bring back neo-fascist Buddhist fundamentalist

Who's the neo-fascist Budhist fundamentalist??

I think his screen-name was Pesala (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aimwell.org%2Fpesala.html&ei=UsCcVYabF4bWoATFtZDIBg&usg=AFQjCNFY6oc4xZMZyI-gX1gJm2-BmjXoAQ&sig2=tU8n_MNas5F-dFSRc7Fhew&bvm=bv.96952980,d.cGU)… He was a Brit and a monk, but not Christian - rather, Buddhist.
He'd done some good work customizing pre-Chrome Opera browsers, and -sometimes-responded to questions from others… (In his world-view, I'm not sure there is any room for "others"… :) ) He has not "migrated" to DnD, as far as I can tell.

But he never rejected the "better never to have been born" response to the human condition, that traditional Buddhism espouses. (No, Belfrager, that doesn't mean "marries"… Linguistic similarities are only hints, and you have to be smarter than the hinters! Or at least as smart.)

What Pesala said was simple: Die; die. Die, even if you don't have to…That's what you were meant to do.

(That's unfair, in the sense that he never put it that way. But it's also quite fair — in the sense that he has no argument against it; indeed, he has argued for it: Gautama is dead — and not— and since we worship ******** we should emulate him!
Why?)
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I don't expect him to return: He doesn't like discourse; he prefers lecturing… (I do, too! But noone will let me get away with such, here! :) )

(No, Belfrager, that doesn't mean "marries"… Linguistic similarities are only hints, and you have to be smarter than the hinters! Or at least as smart.)

Are you trying to teach me something? really?
Had I the patience for explaining you the difference about the latin meaning of the root words of "espouse" and "marry" and you'll learn who needs to learn something here. But I don't have such patience, your lucky day. :)

What Pesala said was simple

I know perfectly who's pesala. I'm curious about the neo-fascist adjective. I doubt very much he could even know what the fascist doctrine is about.

Entertainment.......

Entertainment.......

Ahh, you returned. Good, now on you deal with our American friends, I did it in your absence, someone had to keep the flame lightened up.
My posts were better than yours, by the way. Much better. :)

Ah-ha. Kind of voting for yourself Belfrager?! I will assume a slight touch of panic due to me being missing. But never fear one doesn't need a sharp sword to puncture America do we as it is so damn easy!  :D

From Times Literary Supplement, August 7

(Herbie) "Hancock responded to both success and criticism in a non-hierarchical, non-linear, post-modern way."
Discuss.

"Hancock responded to both success and criticism in a non-hierarchical, non-linear, post-modern way."
Discuss.

Why discuss? This video says it all.
[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHhD4PD75zY[/video]

But never fear one doesn't need a sharp sword to puncture America do we as it is so damn easy!

Not so easy to write a clear sentence in English, though, is it, my  :jester: Scottish  :jester: friend?

You are fortunate Belfrager being my favourite red socks man.

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Don't think the Pope wears that type.

Actual Papal stockings.
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Actual Papal stockings.

He certainly knows what to post at a thread called "Intellectual debate on DnD"...

Well he is a Yank so explains much.

I'm always trying to understand somebody else's point of view. I can't see many here doing the same. But it has been good to me. I've learned a lot.

(BTW, when I ask questions and I "don't got" answers, I stay in the void.)

I am the opposite about staying in the void and I consider it a character flaw, maybe even a personality disorder (I think they have pills for that).  You are cool while I get hot--different personalities we have (I sound like Yoda), for god knows how many reasons.  I am not the intellectual that I see others here as--and I may be wrong about that because I am not even intellectually capable of making that judgement. 

I get somewhat of a feel for people here, but I (James), need personal contact to read a person well and for them to read me in return and thus have a meaningful exchange of ideas.  Intellectual debate on DnD is much like talking heads.  Too, too....something--maybe too disconnected or dispassionate.  I am a people in-person-person and I need to look at you to understand you.  That's just me and maybe not you.   :knight: :cheers:

Is the intellectual debate on DnD meaningful here...elsewhere?  And if so, to whom?  Is it merely entertainment for the members?  Perhaps a mental exercise to stay intellectually fit, or maybe just a chance to show off what we got--or don't got?

This should give you some idea. The Scot is into Yank bashing.

Well he is a Yank so explains much.

The Portuguese is into criticizing posts about other people's posts.

He certainly knows what to post at a thread called "Intellectual debate on DnD"...

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The thread was a nice idea, but it appears that it doesn't work well. And I'm one of the guilty parties.

Haha. Could be equal to  Edinburgh bashing but is is so easy to bash across the pond. Haha and maybe too blinking easy by far which tells you something about the ex-colonies.  :lol:

Howie, with your level of ignorance, everything is easy! :)

Oh dar you are so self smug you cannot see your own ignorance. You live in books and think automatically makes you intelligent and being a monk-like person in your house has given you grandiose ideas. Anything too direct is a problem as you do like to hide behind words. As someone who has oft been in the middle of things in my land and the media I smile at you. So keep up the snarls and insults laddie as I do make allowances for you not meeting people and your self assessment has showed more than you realise. Call me what you like as mixing with people in person is beyond you! :hat: :sing:

The thread was a nice idea, but it appears that it doesn't work well.

You're right. It was a good thread that should had lived more.

Even so, I think that DnD still has more intellectual debate than all the Facebooks of this world.
We are bad, but the others are much worst.

Don't think the Pope wears that type.

Like the ones this nun is wearing?

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Like the ones this nun is wearing?

Why she's a nun?

Force of habit? (Hey, somebody had to say it… :) )

Force of habit? (Hey, somebody had to say it…  :)  )

Force of habit?

Where's the habit?

The habit? It's in the preponderance of her actions. Is there another way to define the term?

The above photograph shows nowhere anything that can be identified as a nun.
For some reason, probably fetishist dreams, Midnight Raccoon imagined her as a nun... it could be a nurse...
We jumped from intellectual debate into freudian delirium, which seems more to be the forum's motto.

I took a nun out for a meal once as she was a teacher and treated he due to her moving elsewhere. I worked for a time in a State RC school and everyone thought it hilarious that on that nearby restaurant an Orangeman and a nun were having a chortling and cheery lunch. She was around 30 and very snappily dressed n a light grey very neat modern suit and enjoyed the meal (being with me of course!)

For some reason, probably fetishist dreams, Midnight Raccoon imagined her as a nun... it could be a nurse...
We jumped from intellectual debate into freudian delirium, which seems more to be the forum's motto.

You're over psychoanalyzing it. That was just a play on Howie's redsocks trope, which I still don't get. Does the Pope wear redsocks as some kind of Vatican tradition or something :confused:

Does the Pope wear redsocks as some kind of Vatican tradition or something  :confused:

Nope, it's just rjhowie's fetishist dreams...

A good way to skip round the truth man from Iberia.

What truth would he be skipping around? If the Pope indeed wore red socks, it might have been in memory of saint or whatever (or even of Christ's wounds; since he was nailed to the cross by his hands or wrists and feet.) But since he doesn't, it seems silly to accuse of wearing that color socks as if that was crime against anything but fashion. Have you noticed that William of Orange looks a little genderqueer, though?

A little?!

Got curious, looked it up: Cardinals and the Pope do, indeed, wear red garments--- including socks. It does have significant meaning too, signifying that the Cardinal is willing to lay down his life for the faith.

The other information I was able to find concerning red socks has to do with a major-league baseball team in Boston.

http://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/30649/what-do-red-garments-represent-for-leaders-in-the-catholic-church (http://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/30649/what-do-red-garments-represent-for-leaders-in-the-catholic-church)

Okay, that makes sense and is far more sensible than using "red socks" as slur against them.

If the Pope indeed wore red socks, it might have been in memory of saint or whatever (or even of Christ's wounds; since he was nailed to the cross by his hands or wrists and feet.)

He wears red shoes, not red socks. And he dines regularly with Rjhowie.

And he dines regularly with Rjhowie.

Well he used to. One fateful night, in a fit of drunken, jealous rage over the papal wardrobe; Howie mugged Pope Francis of his favorite red socks by threatening to empty a bottle or Irn Bru down his throat if he didn't surrender them. After that unseemly debacle, His Holiness understandably canceled all future dinner engagements.

Cardinals have some red clothes, bishops purple. None wears red socks.
The Pope wears black shoes and black socks as elegance and good taste demands.
Priests wears black and nuns can wear white, dark blue or black depending on the Congregation.
Monks wears black or brown.

As an important note, English and even more their subdits the Scotish are known all over the world by their bad taste. So they create a church for them. Also for their King could keep on killing wifes regardless the dress colour.

Must say that Belfrager os not too correct and maybe jimbro is nearer the coloured shoes direction. And I would have luch with the Pope no bother at all and I would tell him where they are wrong and convert him. Mind you he would have to be a good Proddy for a time before I could have him initiated into the 1st degree on the O/Order. It just came back to me that I had lunch with another nun and she was not to happy about the role of women in that lot.  Knowing that Church's history that made a nice wee change.

Well i did get a laugh about Belfrager mumbling about our bad taste. Portugal lives off EU handouts as it cannot run itself and we tend to subside small and inefficient countries. Amusing that they tend to be old red shoes countries who missed out on the Glorious Reformation. We are gererous to a fault even to the incapable moaners.

And I would have luch with the Pope no bother at all and I would tell him where they are wrong and convert him.

You'll never have lunch not even with the Pope's dogs. Well, maybe as their food.  :devil:
A protestant appetizer...  :lol:

Pope's dogs? Ah, oh his followers and all those cow-towed? Ah, yeah right!

I admit, I hate the silly panache
that permeates these posts, and even mine!
What we mean to say seems never benign
and never vicious enough to resign

us to "banned" status… But we skirt the edge!
Why? Well, we're used to arguing; and we
like the give-and-take of it! There's a glee
in disputation that men take, the hedge

being no barrier! They'll jump — and like-
ly make it: They've trained all their lives for this!
Arguing is what they do. Then, they'll kiss
their interlocutor; and ask What pike

skewered me? "Well, scholar, t'was only the
prong of your own philosophy," said he…

"Had you not demurred you would have been rash!"

(should I continue…?)

(should I continue…?)

yes :)
(Not that I like too much your modernist poetry style... but no one's perfect and, besides, I protect the Arts.)

"Had you not demurred you would have been rash!"
Indeed! But why be concerned with trifles?
Specially, when so many have rifles…
There is only one way to fight. […stifles
the natural fellow-feeling, until
it is done. Or until you've had your fill.
Then, suffers the all-too-common result:
Becomes a recluse, an outcast, a cur;
a person not fit to keep others' (…her)
company.] One fights, when one does, to win.
Surely, everyone understands this much?
And, yet, we face an enemy… And Djinn

are their most potent weapons, their first such.
Their second is their willingness: To die
is all they want. They are deficient; lie
to themselves and others, because they must…

Their creed is little more than a bent crutch!
But -in order to feel important and
vibrant- they show their cards. And their hand
is

And their hand
is

Yes it is.
I would say that intellectual debate on Dnd has highs and lows.
It happens in the best families...

on the other hand ,    I don't think we can chit - chat at the coffee shop, karaoke club  , nor at the campfire ,  etc.

I did a search for karaoke on the forum and this came up.

I wanted to listen to the Bassie en Adriaan theme song. I couldn't find it. All I could find was people from all over the world singing it…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICKAAWSnPLQ

I propose that our dear @Belfrager (RC) and the solidly grouchy Scot, @rjhowie (P), should debate Transubstantiation and Consubstantiation.

:wait:

So Jesus can read the posts and say "All I was telling them to do was remember me :faint: "

Let this be a lesson and warning to all of you!

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cRxiJkiDrw[/video]

Transubstantiation and Consubstantiation

You don't have the required basis to understand "Transubstantiation". The other fellow doesn't understand anything.

Quote from: Colonel Rebel on 2016-04-18, 22:26:34

Transubstantiation and Consubstantiation

You don't have the required basis to understand "Transubstantiation". The other fellow doesn't understand anything.

How so? The RC version can't be too far from the Methodist tradition (my former denomination), as it is descended from Anglicanism, and I think we can both agree that they (Anglicans) pilfered quite a bit from Catholicism when they split.

Agreed that Howie probably just thinks they are both long words.  (https://dndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sectalk.com%2Fboard%2Fpublic%2Fstyle_emoticons%2Fdefault%2Ftrollface.gif&hash=665db6eec9584d69e6bd4e70d368aa3a" rel="cached" data-hash="665db6eec9584d69e6bd4e70d368aa3a" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://www.sectalk.com/board/public/style_emoticons/default/trollface.gif)

In any case, I was proposing the debate between the two of you, not me.

I'm more than a little surprised that a novel about Faust and Mephistopheles which I had as a hard-cover finds no cites via Google… The author was British, and -I believe- an academic… (Go figure!) But the penultimate scene crucially involved transubstantiation.
I wish I still had the volume (…I doubt the debauchery described would much bother you). Some of the writing was quite good; and many of the tropes were important morally. If I find an on-line reference to it I'll pass it along.
(No! I'm not gonna give you the plot spoiler… Convert, damn you! :) )

In any case, I was proposing the debate between the two of you, not me.

Dogmas are out of debate, you know that.

How so? The RC version can't be too far from the Methodist tradition (my former denomination), as it is descended from Anglicanism, and I think we can both agree that they (Anglicans) pilfered quite a bit from Catholicism when they split.

It doesn't matter, you only have transubstantiation at a Mass celebrated by an ordered Catholic Priest. It's not a DIY.

Yep the Anglicans did pilfer from you Belfrager and fully agree with that point. We here were more fortunate in that we had a far wider break and more independent. Our break came from the bottom folk not those at the top like the Anglicans.

When it comes to my traditional corner of protestant tradition I recall a leader in Ulster via a speech back in 1922 when the border was being arranged  and how far it would penetrate he said "Not an inch." (!)

You recall…? :)

Surprising, eh?  :o

Yeah! I didn't think you were that old… :)

That's how I put up with all you youngies trying to be mature.......

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Our break came from the bottom folk not those at the top

The triumph of the bottom...  glory days.  :zzz:

@Belfrager is such a wet blanket......

I know good and well he'd like to champion Roman Catholicism > Protestantism, and @rjhowie the reverse.
Surely there is something you two would be willing to debate?

I know good and well he'd like to champion Roman Catholicism > Protestantism,

Discussing with servants from the bottom? nope. Not admissable.
Atheists & agnostics seems to me more juicy as entertainment. :)

Well I for some time was friendly with a priest and a nun. And why not after all I have a couple of ex-colonists whom I get on with!