I know that tragedies strike all the time on our planet and many innocents killed due to national disablers but the one nin America in the mud slide is touching. What struck me was that people in that small community would be in their homes doing things around the house, watching television, eating and so on. Suddenly without warning everything goes dark and things collapse suddenly and you don't know why.
In later reports it was said that there was a degree of awareness of possible problems and the locals had a slang tern for the muddy hill. Makes me think of the terrible tragedy in Aberfan, Wales when a mine heap next the village collapsed and many children killed in their classrooms.I dare say we could ask why permission to have houses next to something seen as a problem but probably thought all would be well like in Wales decades ago. In this case virtually a whole community involved which makes it even more telling and tragic.
I dare say we could ask why permission to have houses next to something seen as a problem but probably thought all would be well like in Wales decades ago. In this case virtually a whole community involved which makes it even more telling and tragic.
Tragic indeed, but people
choose to live in dangerous places all the time.
In fact, the area has long been known as the "Hazel Landslide" because of landslides over the past half-century. The last major one before Saturday's disaster was in 2006.
"We've done everything we could to protect them," Pennington said.
Patricia Graesser, a spokeswoman for the Army Corps of Engineers in Seattle, said it appears that the report was intended not as a risk assessment, but as a feasibility study for ecosystem restoration.
Asked whether the agency should have done anything with the information, she said: "We don't have jurisdiction to do anything. We don't do zoning. That's a local responsibility."
Right.
Right.
Absolutely! Some people even choose to live in Pootinville.
Is there anyplace that isn't dangerous?
I live in America's Midwest. Spring is here, and that means severe thunderstorms and tornadoes are a real possibility.
A few nights back, I overnighted at New Madrid, Missouri. Look that place up, and you'll find there's a potential problem. Earthquakes powerful enough to affect the course of the nearby Mississippi River, for example.
Much of Kentucky is on Karst, which is a water-soluble mineral. Kentucky gets sink-holes on occasion, one of which hit the Corvette Museum a few weeks back.
The East Coast gets bad hurricanes. Much of the West is a tinderbox it seems, fires burn thousands of acres of land and houses every year.
In Minnesota, there are gates set to close the Interstate highway if needed. No joke if those gates are closed, in Winter you're in wide-open country where snow can blow across the roads and you can die in your stranded car with help unable to reach you for some time.
How about the UK? RJ mentions Aberfan. I read about that several years ago, I hope that mining interests pay more attention to safety than they apparently did then but you never know. Anybody living on the coasts have to deal with the powerful storms that sweep in from the Atlantic-- this past season hasn't been much fun, I've been reading about the Somerset Downs and the flooding you got there.
Every now and then we read of tragedies from any part of the world, no place on the planet seems truly safe these days.
Every now and then we read of tragedies from any part of the world, no place on the planet seems truly safe these days.
Russia?
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Michael, one must evaluate the danger/possible dangers himself. If you're unable to - you're fail, if you don't give shit - your choice. And let us discern between naturally caused disasters and those triggered by human activity (they all are mix, I reckon - since human started to feel "the Nature's Emperor").
Michael, one must evaluate the danger/possible dangers himself. If you're unable to - you're fail, if you don't give shit - your choice. And let us discern between naturally caused disasters and those triggered by human activity (they all are mix, I reckon - since human started to feel "the Nature's Emperor").
I just remembered--Russia has bitterly cold winters. There's a town in Russia that regularly gets to be the coldest place in the Northern Hemisphere every year for several weeks. You don't turn your car off all winter long because if you do, it won't re-start. 50 below zero average temps-- doesn't matter whether it's C or F, at those temps it's just mind-numbingly cold. And they built a town there.
I understand that most of Russia isn't quite like that, but it appears that this place-- actually in Siberia-- is especially "favored". Yes, that kind of cold is life-threatening, just so's everybody knows.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oymyakon
I just remembered--Russia has bitterly cold winters. There's a town in Russia that regularly gets to be the coldest place in the Northern Hemisphere every year for several weeks. You don't turn your car off all winter long because if you do, it won't re-start. 50 below zero average temps-- doesn't matter whether it's C or F, at those temps it's just mind-numbingly cold. And they built a town there.
I understand that most of Russia isn't quite like that, but it appears that this place-- actually in Siberia-- is especially "favored". Yes, that kind of cold is life-threatening, just so's everybody knows.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oymyakon
I've not been in Oymyakon, but I've been in a city close to Oymyakon - Yakutsk. I confirm: it's cold there like a hell.
Nah, it's even not on topic, Michael.
Imagine cyanobacteria thriving in a deep oceanic chasm -- will you tell us that that place doesn't fit to live in?
Those guys in The Far North, Siberia, wherever - or we should say something about guys living in very wet places, or in very dry/hot ones - they've lived there for some time. I hope you get the idea -- and this topic, I reckon, is about sort of catastrophes, i.e. changes in settled habitat.
I've not been in Oymyakon, but I've been in a city close to Oymyakon - Yakutsk. I confirm: it's cold there like a hell.
That'll go -- you come in a habitat that doesn't suit your habits. It's like a Vietnamese went to Pakistan or an Inuit to Sahara: both and both there live people who're "habituated" enough into their respective life conditions.
What's the tragedy?
If no one has noticed it the OP doesn't mention it...
I've not been in Oymyakon, but I've been in a city close to Oymyakon - Yakutsk. I confirm: it's cold there like a hell.
That'll go -- you come in a habitat that doesn't suit your habits. It's like a Vietnamese went to Pakistan or an Inuit to Sahara: both and both there live people who're "habituated" enough into their respective life conditions.
Yes, you are right - people there are prepared for this type of weather.
Off topic???? OFF TOPIC????
I think the topic just might be about building in questionable places, and then acting surprised when the inevitable happens. If you build in that town in Russia, you'll get cold. If the heat fails in your house there, you have an immediate life-threatening situation.
Here, we have people who build in flood plains and then act surprised when the river reclaims its own. Happens every year, without fail. Some people lose their lives over this too.
The story that starts this thread turns out to be a similar thing. It's not like the danger wasn't known-- but nobody made the right choices concerning this so now people are dead. Personally, I don't expect any good news from here on with that disaster, they say some bodies may never be found.
People build in "Tornado Alley" and "Hoosier Alley", and both of these places are known for violent storms that break things and kill people. An entire town gets blown away, several people are killed-- and they re-build the town on the same site.
If you build in that town in Russia, you'll get cold.
People live in those places during tens thousands years already.
What's the tragedy?
If no one has noticed it the OP doesn't mention it...
The tragedy that gave rise to this thread is the recent landslide in Washington state. Near Seattle, so you wouldn't need to look too hard to find it. A mudhill gave way and buried upwards of 100 people, only a handful of bodies have been recovered so far and last I knew they're not even sure they can recover most of the bodies.
People build in the daftest locations, and building/buying near this place, with the danger being known for at least a decade that I can find, has got to be one of the strangest things you can do. See link below, it's to a Google search where you can click links to find out more.
https://www.google.com/#q=hazel+landslide (https://www.google.com/#q=hazel+landslide)
Меня тоже улыбнуло!(https://dndsanctuary.eu/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif)
People build in "Tornado Alley" and "Hoosier Alley", and both of these places are known for violent storms that break things and kill people. An entire town gets blown away, several people are killed-- and they re-build the town on the same site.
They sorta like it!..
Different people have different priorities, you know. I understand them.
Меня тоже улыбнуло!
:'( Mr. P will wipe that smile off your face, sir. :devil:
If I hadn't read this, I wouldn't believe it. Still not sure I believe it after reading. It takes all kinds I guess.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/deadly-mudslide/mudslide-victim-wanted-right-live-anywhere-he-wanted-n64186 (http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/deadly-mudslide/mudslide-victim-wanted-right-live-anywhere-he-wanted-n64186)
If you really believe nobody can tell you not to build your house in the path of a mudslide, go ahead and build-- and argue with authorities. Every now and then, snoopy busybody government types get it right and you really shouldn't build there. Something to keep in mind when you're laying the foundation of your dream house directly in the path of coming disaster.
Is suicide against the law?
Is suicide against the law?
It has been, not sure if it still is. It's a little difficult to prosecute against a "successful" suicide though. What punishment would be meted out to one who was convicted?
On two occasions in my deep community side I managed to stop two young men at different periods from suicide. A third was on the way to see me when he for some unknown reason went back and took his own life. All in their early twenties and particularly hard on their families. I also conducted two funerals of the three. The mind can be a great question mark sometimes but it is the family that is left in the lengthy dark.
On two occasions in my deep community side I managed to stop two young men at different periods from suicide. A third was on the way to see me when he for some unknown reason went back and took his own life......
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On the Isle that invented paedophilia, bestiality, & buggery -- a British Naval Tradition & National Pastime -- claim to fame so to speak, I wouldn't be at all surprised if successful young male suicide is much more widespread -- being forced to take the bloody
'peg' from childhood who'd blame the poor young chaps.
I bet sensible ex-colonists groan when Smileyfaze terrorist puts things on here.
I bet sensible ex-colonists groan when Smileyfaze terrorist puts things on here.
Almost as loud as when they see you posting ole man, almost as loud. :lol:
BTW ........... If you wish to call me Smileyfaze
Terrorist, I'd appreciate a capitol
T, for I take great pride in my past assistance to my
Freedom Fighter Northern Ireland IRA Brethren, as they surely appreciated me sharing my specialized skills & fortune with them long ago. You labeling me the way you do brings a tear of joy to my black heart! :lol:
Tiocfaidh ár lá ole man, Tiocfaidh ár lá :cheers: :yes:
Oh I am not just sticking a passing label it is a statement of fact.
Your wonderful pals brought death, maiming and despair to large numbers of perfectly innocent people and dopey Americans helped them. If they were that concerned they should have immigrated to Ireland. I would never have give Adams, McGuinness and killers anything. They even killed people in their own communities. The Assembly is a farce on the idea of democracy what with a forced coalition of a group of parties and no official opposition. There are only a couple of independents not in the government.
Meanwhile over the Border in the Irish Republic the vast majority of the population wnat little to do with your lot. Ireland has moved on and having freed itself from the men in the black (and the livers in the past) far more open and with a wider view than what used to be. I don't see SF/IRA making a government in Dublin any time soon because the Irish are too sensible for that out of date lot. And even getting into government is a waste of time as like all extremist groups they splinter and still continue to kill and bomb. As a Unionist I have more in common with much of the southern Irish population than you have as an out of date hangover from another time. So give all the guff you want about what I call you as in real life Ireland doesn't want your mentality these days.
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It's crystal clear you know absolutely nothing about which you speak, which seems to be the trend of your hilarious rants we all have come to know & delight to ---- to the point of side busting tears. (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/taunt.gif)
Thank you RJ for the interlude, taking us away from day to day relevant fact, down into your
'willy wonka world' of uproarious flatulency & self-indulgent immateriality!
You, RJ, are truly a pet amongst men. (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/awright005.gif)
Now how is that one for as Yanks are always saying -"awesome." When it comes to rants and daftness even your fellow countrymen would prefer you to be some other nationality. Now to help your ingrown ignorance, Irish-American guff I would inform you that i have family connections across the Irish Sea in both Ulster and Eire. In addition met political leaders and an awful lot closer that terrorist supporters like you living over the pond. You are part of a long tradition in America and the Irish have a history there that is far from worthy in many, many occasions.
My description of modern day Southern Ireland is a lot nearer the fact than your empty headed slights and mouthing at me. The Irish President is over here on a State Visit to our Monarch in return for her great visit to Dublin,, etc. Modern Ireland is as far distant from your mawkish 1916 mentality as I am from the Pope. It is a modern and moving on society and thankfully the vast majority will never put your murderous lot of killing creeps as a government. You are so stuck in a past which is as bad as the Scots Nats who nearly get into tears singing Flower of Scotland. Dublin also dropped it's claims to Ulster and cross-border co-operation on power, transport and other infrastructures run of the mill. People like you are out of date in modern Ireland but you don't realise that.
So call me what you like but I know and see the real ireland and you are an embarrassing history numpty.
Well, that narrows things down without me having to even ask. RJH is an Orangeman, no doubt of it by his own writings. Now, I have little doubt that Smiley has Irish Catholic in his mix, and won't ever forgive William of Orange for coming to Ireland in the first place.
It's been awhile since I last heard of an atrocity happening in Ireland. I wonder of just maybe saner heads are prevailing there and people are beginning to realize that Catholics and Protestants really can live on the same island.
Fair reply there mjsmsprt40 however I feel a slight wee need to clarify. There is still terrorist violence going on in Ulster from groups that broke away from our resident terrorist supporter's lot. You may well not ne so aware but there have been successive pipe bombs, attacks, odd killings including a couple of soldiers along with a prison officer blown up on the way to work. My description of the vast general changes south of the Border in the Republic is factual, progressive and good. A few years ago the 50 lodges still in the Republic near the Border were given over £100,000 to assist lodge halls as they served their community widely.
I was glad to see The Queen on a State Visit to the Irish Republic and a return by their President here. Only enhances what i have portrayed about how the Republic has moved on from the Smileyfaze caveman stuff. One thing you will never see in the Irish Republic is a SF government!
I believe it fits better in here than in "bad news". Nor in Natural Disasters (https://dndsanctuary.eu/index.php?topic=155.0), because if things went naturally, the ice wouldn't have killed anybody (maybe a couple of goats, though).
Everest avalanche death toll rises to 13 (http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia/2014/04/everest-avalanche-death-toll-rises-13-2014419123745330560.html)
Three Sherpas are still missing after the most deadly accident in the mountain's history.
The avalanche struck a perilous passage called the Khumbu Icefall, which is riddled with crevasses and piled with serac or huge chunks of ice - that can break free without warning.<...>Climbers declared a four-day halt to efforts to scale the 8,848-metre summit and, while some decided to abandon their mission. Some others said they would go ahead after talking to their guides. All of the victims were sherpa mountain guides.
I believe it fits better in here than in "bad news". Nor in Natural Disasters (https://dndsanctuary.eu/index.php?topic=155.0), because if things went naturally, the ice wouldn't have killed anybody (maybe a couple of goats, though).
Everest avalanche death toll rises to 13 (http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia/2014/04/everest-avalanche-death-toll-rises-13-2014419123745330560.html)Three Sherpas are still missing after the most deadly accident in the mountain's history.
The avalanche struck a perilous passage called the Khumbu Icefall, which is riddled with crevasses and piled with serac or huge chunks of ice - that can break free without warning.<...>Climbers declared a four-day halt to efforts to scale the 8,848-metre summit and, while some decided to abandon their mission. Some others said they would go ahead after talking to their guides. All of the victims were sherpa mountain guides.
When did Everest move to the United States? How come I'm always the last to find out about these things?
Of course this is a tragedy, but as it happens it's a tragedy that goes with the territory. Everest has claimed quite a few lives since men started climbing it, and climbing in avalanche territory is inherently risky.
When did Everest move to the United States? How come I'm always the last to find out about these things?
It's part of an ongoing trend.
And now you two Americans look at the titles you're posting under.:)
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About 33,173 gun deaths for the year 2013.
"A woman's constitutional right to terminate a pregnancy before viability has been recognized by the United States Supreme Court for more than 40 years."
The real tragedy for the US is as follows.
==The Korean War
==The War in Vietnam
==The War in Iraq
==The ongoing War in Afghanistan
==The Supreme Court's ruling that a A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed means damned near everybody. Which militia are you a member of?
As long as somebody conceives a foetus, then there must be a right for them to handle that the other way round. Unless one of the parents was God, of course.:rolleyes:
As long as somebody conceives a foetus, then there must be a right for them to handle that the other way round. Unless one of the parents was God, of course.:rolleyes:
This is what happens when a mudslide collides with DnD.
He is a terrorist supporter and the despicable slogan he has here "Up the 'RA" is a well known slogan here for up the IRA. They gave Ireland a bad name and the USA that supplied the money to kil people and blow up places. Locally here there is a scumbag section of the Celtic Football Club supporters who chant this kind of evil and embarrass the decent fans and the Club. That's his militia. Mind you that was a good point you made on the Constitution and militias and these crackers with their guns and cowboy attitudes don't help the country at all.
They gave Ireland a bad name and the USA that supplied the money to kil people and blow up places.
Could you be a bit more specific? Which part of the USA? Or is it the entire USA?
I've not supplied money to anybody to kill anybody...not that I'm aware of at any rate. If you mean tax money spent in such places as Afghanistan, Brits have done the same. We're disgusting comrades in arms. Oddly, nobody here asks me if I'm OK with attacking yet one more country.
Some Republicans make exceptions for meddling in Afghanistan's politics, however.
(Reuters) - The Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives, John Boehner, is leading a delegation of Republican lawmakers on a trip to Afghanistan to underscore their call for U.S. forces to remain there and also to review the country's presidential election, Boehner's office said on Monday.
He has many Republican friends who'd back him, and some who'd go much farther.
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The IRA got a great deal of money jimbro from a section of the Irish-American community over the years so because you were not involved does not make it negative. The Ulster=Scots had a proud record in the USA and did not have the rough and often doubtful history of the Irish (crime, anti-social behaviour, corruption)I refer to. There were front groups who raised money for the killers back here in Gt Britain. Small wonder low life people like Gerry Adams and Martin McGuiness kept in regular touch with the zombies that unfortunately in your country were doing much mischief.